Yeah..."religious nut"? Really? She basically says, "I look at the universe and see proof of God." And...that's pretty much it. Have the standards for being a fanatic been drastically lowered?
The movie will be about a movie-within-a-movie, in which Conrad Verner plays Commander Shepard in a historical drama "based on the true story" of Shepard's adventures.
In an attempt to springboard off the success of Elcor Hamlet, the producers insist Wrex be written as an Elcor instead of a Krogan.
Due to lingering racism against Quarians, Tali is a Volus.
How is Ashley more religious than Liara? Liara's always appealing to her crazy false pagan alien goddess.
Because some people take one of a characters many traits or a particular trait they don't care for and exaggerate it to a ridiculous proportion, so that way it's easier to insist they are an indisputably bad character.
Yeah..."religious nut"? Really? She basically says, "I look at the universe and see proof of God." And...that's pretty much it. Have the standards for being a fanatic been drastically lowered?
I think it says an awful lot more of the person making the observation, but that's just me.
Having read some more Cerberus news updates, I wonder if some of this stuff will make it into Mass Effect 3? I'd be sort of fun to run into a Krogan quarterback or rich heiress who faked being her sister.
Have the standards for being a fanatic been drastically lowered?
Well, I got the impression from Ashley's defensiveness about it that in the Mass Effect universe they actually have been lowered to the point that not being an agnostic or atheist is considered strange and possibly dangerous.
However in real life no its just people overreacting because Ashley was written with character flaws (not that theism is a character flaw but in terms of the mass effect universe... you know what I mean right)
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Have the standards for being a fanatic been drastically lowered?
Well, I got the impression from Ashley's defensiveness about it that in the Mass Effect universe they actually have been lowered to the point that not being an agnostic or atheist is considered strange and possibly dangerous.
However in real life no its just people overreacting because Ashley was written with character flaws (not that theism is a character flaw but in terms of the mass effect universe... you know what I mean right)
she only acts defensive if you get offensive about it
Have the standards for being a fanatic been drastically lowered?
Well, I got the impression from Ashley's defensiveness about it that in the Mass Effect universe they actually have been lowered to the point that not being an agnostic or atheist is considered strange and possibly dangerous.
However in real life no its just people overreacting because Ashley was written with character flaws (not that theism is a character flaw but in terms of the mass effect universe... you know what I mean right)
she only acts defensive if you get offensive about it
From what I recall Shepard's just like "you're religious?" and she's like "YES GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT" and then gets a little bit in your face about it even if you take the paragon option (the one that isn't "why yes I am also religious)
Either way though it is not like she is Fred Phelps in Space.
I think Bioware didn't really know how to handle the topic of religion IN SPACE. I mean, in Revelation pretty much every religion self destructs when OMG, "aliens exist!" That's not how religion works, in fact, I'd expect it to actually increase as a result of something so dramatic as finding aliens exist. To put it another way, many thought "primitive" cultures and their religions would collapse with the presence of modern technology. Turns out that was pretty much Eurocentrism from the opposite extremes, (i.e. poor backwater natives and their superstitions can't handle modern society) For the most part, they just adapt any new discovery into their existing beliefs and move on. It's why Hindus have "Soap Operas of the Gods" on TV, it combines religion with technology.
As proof, pretty much every other species has their own religion and are perfectly fine with being high tech, civilized societies. It's only humanity that has pushed it to the sidelines. That being said, it's not completely gone. Judaism and Christianity are still around as witnessed by Kate and Cerberus News, and the Turians like Confucism and Zen Buddhism.
Maybe it's just me, but I think it's an interesting topic since I almost had a minor in comparative religions.
Have the standards for being a fanatic been drastically lowered?
Well, I got the impression from Ashley's defensiveness about it that in the Mass Effect universe they actually have been lowered to the point that not being an agnostic or atheist is considered strange and possibly dangerous.
However in real life no its just people overreacting because Ashley was written with character flaws (not that theism is a character flaw but in terms of the mass effect universe... you know what I mean right)
she only acts defensive if you get offensive about it
From what I recall Shepard's just like "you're religious?" and she's like "YES GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT" and then gets a little bit in your face about it even if you take the paragon option (the one that isn't "why yes I am also religious)
Either way though it is not like she is Fred Phelps in Space.
i'm pretty sure she references God in conversation then meekly says, "that's not a problem, is it? that I believe in God?" and then comes Shepard's response
the paragon option goes something like "you know the term no atheists in foxholes, well i've been in a lot of foxholes" and Ash is all "ok cool theist high five"
atheism or agnosticism is also not the norm in the ME universe because we see many different alien religions and some who adopt ours
I better see a Jewish Turian i tell you
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Have the standards for being a fanatic been drastically lowered?
Well, I got the impression from Ashley's defensiveness about it that in the Mass Effect universe they actually have been lowered to the point that not being an agnostic or atheist is considered strange and possibly dangerous.
However in real life no its just people overreacting because Ashley was written with character flaws (not that theism is a character flaw but in terms of the mass effect universe... you know what I mean right)
she only acts defensive if you get offensive about it
From what I recall Shepard's just like "you're religious?" and she's like "YES GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT" and then gets a little bit in your face about it even if you take the paragon option (the one that isn't "why yes I am also religious)
Either way though it is not like she is Fred Phelps in Space.
i'm pretty sure she references God in conversation then meekly says, "that's not a problem, is it? that I believe in God?" and then comes Shepard's response
the paragon option goes something like "you know the term no atheists in foxholes, well i've been in a lot of foxholes" and Ash is all "ok cool theist high five"
I think there are three possible responses. "I believe in god too" "Don't let it interfere with the mission" and "what are you a fanatic?"
Ashley is really a perfectly reasonable character, her faith is not fanatic and her mistrust of aliens is greatly exaggerated.
Have the standards for being a fanatic been drastically lowered?
Well, I got the impression from Ashley's defensiveness about it that in the Mass Effect universe they actually have been lowered to the point that not being an agnostic or atheist is considered strange and possibly dangerous.
However in real life no its just people overreacting because Ashley was written with character flaws (not that theism is a character flaw but in terms of the mass effect universe... you know what I mean right)
she only acts defensive if you get offensive about it
From what I recall Shepard's just like "you're religious?" and she's like "YES GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT" and then gets a little bit in your face about it even if you take the paragon option (the one that isn't "why yes I am also religious)
Either way though it is not like she is Fred Phelps in Space.
i'm pretty sure she references God in conversation then meekly says, "that's not a problem, is it? that I believe in God?" and then comes Shepard's response
the paragon option goes something like "you know the term no atheists in foxholes, well i've been in a lot of foxholes" and Ash is all "ok cool theist high five"
I think there are three possible responses. "I believe in god too" "Don't let it interfere with the mission" and "what are you a fanatic?"
Ashley is really a perfectly reasonable character, and her mistrust of aliens and her faith are greatly exaggerated.
I could have sworn "I believe in god too" was the fourth option, on the upper-left, while the upper-right option was also paragon but didn't commit the player to being a theist.
i'm pretty sure she references God in conversation then meekly says, "that's not a problem, is it? that I believe in God?" and then comes Shepard's response
the paragon option goes something like "you know the term no atheists in foxholes, well i've been in a lot of foxholes" and Ash is all "ok cool theist high five"
I think there are three possible responses. "I believe in god too" "Don't let it interfere with the mission" and "what are you a fanatic?"
Ashley is really a perfectly reasonable character, and her mistrust of aliens and her faith are greatly exaggerated.
I could have sworn "I believe in god too" was the fourth option, on the upper-left, while the upper-right option was also paragon but didn't commit the player to being a theist.
I may have not remembered it correctly, I think the second Paragon option was more like. "I have no problem with you believing in god, I'm not here to judge. so long as it doesn't interfere with your duties, we'll be fine"
The only thing that really threw me off is that usually game designers avoid mentioning a characters' religion at all, unless it's a fake religion or it's inherent to the character (like a priest). Usually they're left blank to not offend anyone and/or let people project their own prejudices, so even hearing a small mention of religious beliefs ends up sounding like a lot.
One of the big problems with a game like Mass Effect is that the designers are intentionally trying to avoid passing judgements. Its the whole problem with Paragon/Renegade - they can't make one approach definitively not work out, because it ends up being interpreted as a direct message by the developer about what they think about that choice.
I mean, Bioware making a video game will be good. Hollywood taking that video game and making a movie...that's...alarming. Historically it does not turn out well.
The general notion (which no doubt led to this project moving forward) is that Prince of Persia will cause many producers to open their eyes and take videogame adaptions more seriously.
I'm inclined to believe this, although I hope PoP ends up better than its commercials (which make it look more generic than it should be).
I really have no desire to see them rehash ME1 on the big screen. Mass Effect as a universe has TONS of room for growth. Go create some original characters and think up a cool new adventure. Leave Shepard and her/his compatriots where they belong--in games where there is no canon story except the one you create.
I'm not necessarily saying that Bioware is going to license the movie as 'official canon'. In fact I'm sure they won't, but it's still annoying nonetheless. They've done a good job up till now of keeping the novels and comics Shepard-neutral, allowing you to feel like your character is THE Shepard. A movie adaptation would kind of fly in the face of that.
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I don't think that word is being used correctly.
or is it?
i dare you to make an argument against
i have never once seen someone get all up in Thane's grill for his constant religious references
Shepard can't even go "lol your beliefs are stupid so shutup and listen to me" like she can with Ash
The movie will be about a movie-within-a-movie, in which Conrad Verner plays Commander Shepard in a historical drama "based on the true story" of Shepard's adventures.
In an attempt to springboard off the success of Elcor Hamlet, the producers insist Wrex be written as an Elcor instead of a Krogan.
Due to lingering racism against Quarians, Tali is a Volus.
Because some people take one of a characters many traits or a particular trait they don't care for and exaggerate it to a ridiculous proportion, so that way it's easier to insist they are an indisputably bad character.
I think it says an awful lot more of the person making the observation, but that's just me.
Having read some more Cerberus news updates, I wonder if some of this stuff will make it into Mass Effect 3? I'd be sort of fun to run into a Krogan quarterback or rich heiress who faked being her sister.
Well, I got the impression from Ashley's defensiveness about it that in the Mass Effect universe they actually have been lowered to the point that not being an agnostic or atheist is considered strange and possibly dangerous.
However in real life no its just people overreacting because Ashley was written with character flaws (not that theism is a character flaw but in terms of the mass effect universe... you know what I mean right)
No. It must star Blasto.
A MILLION TIMES THIS
she only acts defensive if you get offensive about it
Also, I don't know what you guys are talking about when you say Shepard is a female. Shepard is clearly a tall, lantern jawed man with black hair.:D
From what I recall Shepard's just like "you're religious?" and she's like "YES GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT" and then gets a little bit in your face about it even if you take the paragon option (the one that isn't "why yes I am also religious)
Either way though it is not like she is Fred Phelps in Space.
Hair? There is no hair in space.
Or in UE3.
As proof, pretty much every other species has their own religion and are perfectly fine with being high tech, civilized societies. It's only humanity that has pushed it to the sidelines. That being said, it's not completely gone. Judaism and Christianity are still around as witnessed by Kate and Cerberus News, and the Turians like Confucism and Zen Buddhism.
Maybe it's just me, but I think it's an interesting topic since I almost had a minor in comparative religions.
i'm pretty sure she references God in conversation then meekly says, "that's not a problem, is it? that I believe in God?" and then comes Shepard's response
the paragon option goes something like "you know the term no atheists in foxholes, well i've been in a lot of foxholes" and Ash is all "ok cool theist high five"
atheism or agnosticism is also not the norm in the ME universe because we see many different alien religions and some who adopt ours
I better see a Jewish Turian i tell you
I think there are three possible responses. "I believe in god too" "Don't let it interfere with the mission" and "what are you a fanatic?"
Ashley is really a perfectly reasonable character, her faith is not fanatic and her mistrust of aliens is greatly exaggerated.
I could have sworn "I believe in god too" was the fourth option, on the upper-left, while the upper-right option was also paragon but didn't commit the player to being a theist.
I may have not remembered it correctly, I think the second Paragon option was more like. "I have no problem with you believing in god, I'm not here to judge. so long as it doesn't interfere with your duties, we'll be fine"
and i just have to say
if binary helix wants to tangle with the urdnots
commander shepard is going to take them apart.
DEAR GOD I WANT A DLC MISSION DOING JUST THAT
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I know I should be happy.
But I can't trust Hollywood not to fuck this up.
Also, as someone said. Liara will probably have a big part in it...*sigh*
Edit: Yeah, the galaxy news updates are pretty fun.
in fact this is an opportunity for them to un-fuck-up the character
Maybe.
But if I hear just one "Embrace Eternity" so help me God...
And they definitely can't skimp on the budget, it has to have top notch special effects.
How the Reapers will be defeated!
If I just wanted to see those aliens in CG I'd play the game.
Weta would be a good choice, they could probably do some awesome practical effects for the Alien characters.
You mean the Volus?
But then everyone will bitch about lack of Garrus, Tali, and Wrex.
Myself included.
You see District 9?
Do it like that.
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I mean, Bioware making a video game will be good. Hollywood taking that video game and making a movie...that's...alarming. Historically it does not turn out well.
I'm inclined to believe this, although I hope PoP ends up better than its commercials (which make it look more generic than it should be).
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I'm not necessarily saying that Bioware is going to license the movie as 'official canon'. In fact I'm sure they won't, but it's still annoying nonetheless. They've done a good job up till now of keeping the novels and comics Shepard-neutral, allowing you to feel like your character is THE Shepard. A movie adaptation would kind of fly in the face of that.
Neill Blomkamp. Director of District 9. Also did stuff like this for Halo.
He could probably pull it off, provided he gets a solid script. Plus, dude clearly knows how to use CG within a budget.