Yes but who's saying that? Street Fighter fan #19456 or players who actually go to tourneys. I can't imagine most tourney players really give a damn as long as the tourney starts on time and the pots are legit.
Ah, you guys got here first. well, Yeah. That's how I feel.
For the record, the community reaction is not the actual setback that's stopping Capcom JP from signing with MLG. I won't go into the ugly details of it, but the guys that have educated guesses are not far off base.
Can you not go into the details cause it could land you in hot water?
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Yes but who's saying that? Street Fighter fan #19456 or players who actually go to tourneys. I can't imagine most tourneys players really give a damn as long as the tourney starts on top and the pots are legit.
Yeah, but then you have to wonder who the organizers are listening to. If it was the latter I doubt we would be having these problems.
Ah, you guys got here first. well, Yeah. That's how I feel.
For the record, the community reaction is not the actual setback that's stopping Capcom JP from signing with MLG. I won't go into the ugly details of it, but the guys that have educated guesses are not far off base.
Can you not go into the details cause it could land you in hot water?
I don't want to potentially spread slander. From what I understand, the one responsible for the nail in the coffin would take a whole lot of heat.
The current main reason Capcom JP is wary of MLG is that they feel MLG might be attempting to uproot the grassroots community of SF. It doesn't make any sense, considering that more events = more community. So the community hate needs to stop.
(It does make sense though, if you know the gory details :P just google it)
Ah, you guys got here first. well, Yeah. That's how I feel.
For the record, the community reaction is not the actual setback that's stopping Capcom JP from signing with MLG. I won't go into the ugly details of it, but the guys that have educated guesses are not far off base.
Can you not go into the details cause it could land you in hot water?
Something tells me Capcom JP would rather have a more grassroots scene, instead of ceding power and therefore "control" of the scene to a governing body that is not Capcom.
Also I think that whole GAMME/MLG deal may have had something to do with it.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
DJWheat's uStream broadcast yesterday had him talking to the CEO or VP of MLG and I think they went into this topic a bit.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited June 2010
...Hmmm...I see.
So basically CC JP basically thought MLG was trying to take over their community by messing with some event or something, but it was just a scam and now a lot of people's hard work has been fucked.
Yet it seems that CCJP and MLG didn't have a good relationship to begin with, so this might be being used as a scapegoat.
Well, here's a question: Is there anyone who currently actually makes money off tournaments other than the players? Obviously the commentators and the streamers don't, but I'm curious if any of the tournaments actually make money for the organizers.....
Because if so, financial incentive could be a fairly good reason to try poison the well/murky the waters/etc.
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Well, here's a question: Is there anyone who currently actually makes money off tournaments other than the players? Obviously the commentators and the streamers don't, but I'm curious if any of the tournaments actually make money for the organizers.....
Because if so, financial incentive could be a fairly good reason to try poison the well/murky the waters/etc.
Well, if you can get professional backing, tournaments usually get advertisement sponsors like other sports.
For those of you that didn't know, GPX Gaming has been behind the scenes at many a tournament with FADC, and MLG hired me personally as a commentator for Tekken 6. I know both of these organizations well.
Most likely, the people that would be reading this love coverage of their favorite game. Haunts from iPlayWinner.com did an amazing job with covering Super Norcal Regionals, putting on this great show for nothing in return. The community wants more of this, right?
The fact of the matter is, it's just so hard. Haunts and I talk almost every day about stream stuff, and how difficult and thankless it is for no almost tangible benefit. We put our money and time on the line just to give the community something they think they deserve, and we put our reputation on the same line as the internet at the venue.
Obviously, we all have day jobs. It doesn't matter if you're FADC or Team Spooky or Level|Up or what, this stuff costs money. So we all take off work to try to give you guys something.
It's so tiresome. How fun do you think it was for me to spend my vacation days at Seasons' Beatings 4, only to find that the venue wasn't going to give me an ethernet jack?
Major League Gaming wanted to step up to the plate. MLG would have made the awesome streams the full-time responsibility of their employees. MLG is the only entity that sees that coverage of this game as important enough to pay the tech crew behind the scenes a yearly salary to make sure it's amazing.
The whole reason behind providing live streams and coverage was not to become the end-all be-all of fighting game coverage-- it was to get corporate America to notice, and put money and manpower into it. We succeeded, but the community failed.
The unwarranted hate that MLG gets from the community is laughable. So many self-righteous, prejudiced gamers think it's their duty to stay blindly in hatred of Halo and Call of Duty.
It just doesn't make sense. Look at MLG T6: who's the man behind everything? Is it some Halo or Madden player? No, it's Filthie Rich, a known and upstanding member of the community. He and I have worked so hard to give to the community through MLG.
Filthie hand-made enough custom PS3 controllers for everyone at the tournament so that T6 Orlando didn't have a single wireless PS3 controller issue. The only way people can devote that much time and energy into something is when the rest of the work is taken care of by professionals.
"Professional" is the name of the game. I've been tournaments that have been delayed for hours. I've been to tournaments where games were delayed for an entire day. But only at MLG have I worked at a tournament that ended ahead of schedule.
But I guess the fighting community doesn't deserve the amount of work we put into this. They reject gifts offered to them, because they'd rather see rag-tag streams by worn-out 1-man websites trying to fly around the country on their own expense to give a free service.
All the Street Fighter media guys say the same thing-- "I really hope we can make Street Fighter blow up into something huge." Maybe the community will agree someday.
Sebiel Rhee
True fighting game enthusiast
This makes me so happy to read. All I could think about today at work was how I wanted to get home and ask Seb how he felt about all this nonsense. I left for work right after I made my support post for the MLG earlier today. Lay down the damn hammer, son.
Small tourneys don't make any profits. In fact, people who go to tourneys expect that. Regionals don't make a profit, but the moneys usually go toward tickets for the winners. Larger tourneys have sponsors and such, so the ones overseeing everything might make some money, but the guys who run the tourneys are usually still doing it for nothing.
Small tourneys don't make any profits. In fact, people who go to tourneys expect that. Regionals don't make a profit, but the moneys usually go toward tickets for the winners. Larger tourneys have sponsors and such, so the ones overseeing everything might make some money, but the guys who run the tourneys are usually still doing it for nothing.
It's all about love.
Yeah, basically. The tournament scene is one big community effort for the most part. That is why you have a lot of people working to get it more exposure. Bigger community and all that.
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edited June 2010
So i'm going for c to shining c and after using Hakan for so long, T.Hawk just feels like cheating.
And on a semi related note fuck you Xbox 360 controller, fuck you and your complete inability to take my crouch block inputs.
So i'm going for c to shining c and after using Hakan for so long, T.Hawk just feels like cheating.
And on a semi related note fuck you Xbox 360 controller, fuck you and your complete inability to take my crouch block inputs.
I'm doing C to C as well, but I'm currently doing T-hawk first, and Hakan seems like not so fun times ahead.
Getting C with Hakan isn't so bad once you learn that his EX oil slide (a) goes through projectiles (b) goes full screen when oiled and (c) can counter fire balls on reaction. Mind you, if you're going up against opponents who do more than fire ball and srk reversal constantly, it's going to be alot tougher to win but you should be able to get to C without too much trouble at least.
Just for the record i actually really like Hakan, i just wish i was better with him.
I went up against a 6K Guile (!!!) and got him so afraid to do anything on his wakeup for fear of being punished that I did a close HK>>Guacamole (sometimes EX, sometimes not) four times in a row before he finally started jabbing on wakeup. Then I started backdashing into my mixup, or if I was far I'd do my stop just outside his flash kick range and punish.
Got 75 BP for beating him and decided to call it a night on a high note for once.
Oh god, I just sent some rage filled hate mail to a guy who had been following be around, beating me with every character he chose, then joining my next ranked match. This is how I destoyed my last arcade stick with a scissors, so I am going to not play Steet Fighter for a while.
Oh god, I just sent some rage filled hate mail to a guy who had been following be around, beating me with every character he chose, then joining my next ranked match. This is how I destoyed my last arcade stick with a scissors, so I am going to not play Steet Fighter for a while.
Still pissed off.
FFFFFffffff.....
Once I fought the same fellow five times in a row. Then fought someone else. Then I fought him again.
Some people chase down the same person over and over when searching for a match. I know when I am looking for matches I purposefully avoid doing that, but I've had people constantly join my match over and over until they beat me (usually when I start using another character or something).
Oh god, I just sent some rage filled hate mail to a guy who had been following be around, beating me with every character he chose, then joining my next ranked match. This is how I destoyed my last arcade stick with a scissors, so I am going to not play Steet Fighter for a while.
Still pissed off.
FFFFFffffff.....
Once I fought the same fellow five times in a row. Then fought someone else. Then I fought him again.
it was baffling and infuriating.
He was following me because I was playing like a god damn four year old bashing his chubby, pudding covered hands randomly on the buttons and was free points.
I am so fucking inconsistant it drives me fucking crazy.
FUCK.
Ok, I'm better.
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edited June 2010
I'll replay someone if they're really good and I want the challenge. Otherwise, not so much.
I usually will only rejoin the same person after 2-3 other matches in between. I usually just go by ping though so sometimes I don't even notice if it is the same person before I join.
If it's ranked and I notice I'm up against the same person twice in a row, I change characters
If they beat me last time, I pull out Cammy since she's my main
If I won last time, or they beat me as Cammy, I pull out Dan and try to fit as many taunts as I can into the match
People either really enjoy it or really get infuriated when I jump back + taunt into the corner, then throw them in the corner and keep jumping back and taunting away from them
Regardless, I only lose with Dan about 40% of the time
Dan's tatsu is one of those moves I have a ton of trouble with online but not so much offline. Hard to runstop/block on reaction to it online and it's really frustrating.
I'm beginning to have some serious fun with Rufus now, I'm mildly disturbed by this.
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Sev: Your gameplay is the most heavily yomi based around. Usually you look for characters that allow you to force guessing situations for big dmg. Even if the guess is mathematically nowhere near in your favor lol. You're happiest when you have either a 50/50, 33/33/33 or even a 75/25 situation to go crazy with. And you will take big risks to force those situations to come up.
Oh god, I just sent some rage filled hate mail to a guy who had been following be around, beating me with every character he chose, then joining my next ranked match. This is how I destoyed my last arcade stick with a scissors, so I am going to not play Steet Fighter for a while.
Still pissed off.
FFFFFffffff.....
Once I fought the same fellow five times in a row. Then fought someone else. Then I fought him again.
it was baffling and infuriating.
He was following me because I was playing like a god damn four year old bashing his chubby, pudding covered hands randomly on the buttons and was free points.
I am so fucking inconsistant it drives me fucking crazy.
FUCK.
Ok, I'm better.
this is going to annoy you bro but just remind yourself its a game :P. I have to do it sometimes for hon...
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You caught me practicing my Dee Jay. It is slow going, but I really do like him.
And some of those people must have some level of contact with Capcom Japan that they could have even been a factor in derailing negotiations.
Can you not go into the details cause it could land you in hot water?
Yeah, but then you have to wonder who the organizers are listening to. If it was the latter I doubt we would be having these problems.
http://iplaywinner.com/news/2010/5/31/super-norcal-regionals-intro-videos.html
(EDIT) I think the MvC2 one is my favorite.
I don't want to potentially spread slander. From what I understand, the one responsible for the nail in the coffin would take a whole lot of heat.
The current main reason Capcom JP is wary of MLG is that they feel MLG might be attempting to uproot the grassroots community of SF. It doesn't make any sense, considering that more events = more community. So the community hate needs to stop.
(It does make sense though, if you know the gory details :P just google it)
Something tells me Capcom JP would rather have a more grassroots scene, instead of ceding power and therefore "control" of the scene to a governing body that is not Capcom.
Also I think that whole GAMME/MLG deal may have had something to do with it.
So basically CC JP basically thought MLG was trying to take over their community by messing with some event or something, but it was just a scam and now a lot of people's hard work has been fucked.
Yet it seems that CCJP and MLG didn't have a good relationship to begin with, so this might be being used as a scapegoat.
Hmm.
Because if so, financial incentive could be a fairly good reason to try poison the well/murky the waters/etc.
Well, if you can get professional backing, tournaments usually get advertisement sponsors like other sports.
This makes me so happy to read. All I could think about today at work was how I wanted to get home and ask Seb how he felt about all this nonsense. I left for work right after I made my support post for the MLG earlier today. Lay down the damn hammer, son.
It's all about love.
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Yeah, basically. The tournament scene is one big community effort for the most part. That is why you have a lot of people working to get it more exposure. Bigger community and all that.
And on a semi related note fuck you Xbox 360 controller, fuck you and your complete inability to take my crouch block inputs.
http://www.justin.tv/optionselect
Those OS guys are damn cool. If you go to their website, you can watch the stream without ads.
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As an addendum, I suppose I should note that the Arturo I saw playing is not Sabin. I mean, I saw Arturo above the name and just kinda assumed.
You were beating me the other day with a standard 360 controller? I am ashamed now...
Just for the record i actually really like Hakan, i just wish i was better with him.
I went up against a 6K Guile (!!!) and got him so afraid to do anything on his wakeup for fear of being punished that I did a close HK>>Guacamole (sometimes EX, sometimes not) four times in a row before he finally started jabbing on wakeup. Then I started backdashing into my mixup, or if I was far I'd do my stop just outside his flash kick range and punish.
Got 75 BP for beating him and decided to call it a night on a high note for once.
Still pissed off.
FFFFFffffff.....
Once I fought the same fellow five times in a row. Then fought someone else. Then I fought him again.
it was baffling and infuriating.
He was following me because I was playing like a god damn four year old bashing his chubby, pudding covered hands randomly on the buttons and was free points.
I am so fucking inconsistant it drives me fucking crazy.
FUCK.
Ok, I'm better.
If they beat me last time, I pull out Cammy since she's my main
If I won last time, or they beat me as Cammy, I pull out Dan and try to fit as many taunts as I can into the match
People either really enjoy it or really get infuriated when I jump back + taunt into the corner, then throw them in the corner and keep jumping back and taunting away from them
Regardless, I only lose with Dan about 40% of the time
but i hate it.
I'm beginning to have some serious fun with Rufus now, I'm mildly disturbed by this.
this is going to annoy you bro but just remind yourself its a game :P. I have to do it sometimes for hon...
Instant izuna drop is pretty awesome, but I'm having trouble establishing a groove here.
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