I don't think it made them sterile, Maddox was like "look guys I am ready to help the cause wink wink wink"
but a population of 200 can't come back with re-population. It's just impossible. At some point the numbers are such that even if they all had 10 babies you wouldn't be able to get them back on track.
were they sterile? I just remember from the beginning of that beast mini the moment with Maddox.
It has been confirmed through various sources that there are considerably more than 198 mutants remaining — the number has been referred to as "symbolic" rather than actual, and in The 198 Files is said to be the earliest confirmed number. Numbers for pre-Decimation mutants vary from "over a million" (House of M #8) to 14 million (New X-Men #115, where it is said that the 16 million mutants who died on Genosha was around "over half" of the estimated global mutant population of 30 million mutants), giving a population, if the commonly-used 90% depowered figure is true, of between one hundred thousand and one and a half million. Based on the mathematical comparisons of the oft-repeated 198 and several million, Marvel has recently reevaluated the 90% figure into "Over 99%". This is shown in Civil War: Battle Damage Report when Iron Man comments on the Post-CW world.
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Ellis, way back when he started on Astonishing 3 years ago, made a point that there would be lots more mutants we never heard of because no one did a head count in Africa or Asia (in fact I think his current Xenogenesis story deals with this).
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No one wants to be the mutant census guy in Africa.
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Steve Rogers is supposed to show up, and maybe Van Lente won't let that scene in Siege where Steve is all "I don't remember you" be forgotten. I expect a "Luke Cage during the Prison Riots in TB #147" response from Taskmaster since it will be his own mini and he has to win, it's the rules.
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He says that Giant-Man is the Pym persona always used in other parallel worlds and media, but I've always associated him with Ant-Man. Ant-Man and Wasp works better than Giant-Man and Wasp.
I do like the simplicity inherent in the Giant-Man identity. It's a thing that requires zero explanation, which I think is a great thing, when it comes to superheroes.
I never really associate Hank Pym with a code-name
Part of his character is he keeps changing his dang name
And the fact that those names are from people like his dead ex-wife.
Which is a classic Pym moment, trying to make a moving dedication to her memory and just being really, really creepy. Of course at the same time he is banging a robot copy of her, simply proving Pym's all round brilliance.
He'd just use the fact that he's cocked up so many times as cover for being a supervillain. I mean, only a supervillain would build Ultron, try to recruit Loki to his team, and smack his wife.
The thing is that if Pym devised a plan to pretend to be a supervillain in order to infiltrate their ranks it would be a gloriously terrible plan, and coming up with a stupid plan to do something rather useless and it going wrong is Pym's area of unchallenged mastery. So in that regard I'd love to read that story.
How Pym doesnt have his own "Pym: Scientist Supreme" ongoing yet is beyond me. The fact that they skrulled up heaps of his redeeming moments in the past few years (like riding the helicarrier to its doom during The Initiative) probably had a lot to do with it.
I still love him though. EVERY genious scientist would make a sexy robot. And then give it fleshy arms cos adamantium fingers make for nasty handy j's.
Anyone who hates Slott's Mighty Avengers fails to realise that it is written from Pym's own point of view and is mostly in fact his Delusions of Grandeur. once you realsie that it is the comic comic ever and he is the best protaganist.
Anyone who hates Slott's Mighty Avengers fails to realise that it is written from Pym's own point of view and is mostly in fact his Delusions of Grandeur. once you realsie that it is the comic comic ever and he is the best protaganist.
See, I don't agree with that. I think Slott really was trying to rehab Pym, make him a big hero dressed in women's clothing, but it never came across that way in the comic, so there's this idea that it
What really seals this for me is the MA/FF two part story where it's just bad writing, Slott going "oh yeah well I'll make Pym call Reed a bitch and this is so cool! And then Val will totally pwn Cho because she's totally the next Deadpool!"
I was able to get the Unspoken HC for 8 bucks used, and it just didn't stand out very well. Less USAgent and Hercules/Cho, more Cassie/Vision than they are able to carry the book for (the same for Quicksilver but I understand he would be more important in a story dealing with Inhumans), and Pym's doing his Scientist Supreme stuff, and while the idea of having an Inhuman villain is interesting, it kind of falls apart at the end.
I agree with the idea of USAgent totally banging freedom into Ban-Luck, and beating up Collective Man in a battle of jingoism. There were parts of the story where it feels like it finally goes somewhere, but it stops completely because we have to settle with cute little jabs of "OMG he Alpha-Flighted them" (that should never be a verb), and Clint kisses Loki lol and if you don't stop the bad guy, the communists win.
Slott has this problem where he starts stories/runs rather well, then he kind of puts it on cruise control and then tries to show how smart he is with comics history by having all these jokes that distract from the story. I'm sure he thought Eternity punching Hank Pym was totally cool but it sure didn't read like that.
Anyone who hates Slott's Mighty Avengers fails to realise that it is written from Pym's own point of view and is mostly in fact his Delusions of Grandeur. once you realsie that it is the comic comic ever and he is the best protaganist.
See, I don't agree with that. I think Slott really was trying to rehab Pym, make him a big hero dressed in women's clothing, but it never came across that way in the comic, so there's this idea that it
did you miss the parts where every time pym tried to do something radical or calls reed a bitch, the rest of the team makes fun of him.
half the book was pym being a douchebag while the rest of the team called him a douchebag
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In the first arc Iron Man makes fun of him, who isn't on the team. And even then (with Cho saving the day) Herc and Walker go to him and go "we're sorry buddy, you're the best." It's like hells no, those two don't do that, they'd much rather go beat up everyone else themselves.
In the FF arc, everyone still agreed to take on the FF (Walker and Pietro the exceptions, because they were actually being heroes) all because Pym couldn't explain to Reed why he needed Goliath's box of magic.
They were still following him even in the Unspoken arc, where he shows up and everyone's happy he's there as he plays gun toting save the day leader Scientist Supreme.
The thing is that if Pym devised a plan to pretend to be a supervillain in order to infiltrate their ranks it would be a gloriously terrible plan, and coming up with a stupid plan to do something rather useless and it going wrong is Pym's area of unchallenged mastery. So in that regard I'd love to read that story.
No, if Pym tried to go undercover as a supervillain, he'd more than likely inadvertently kill off at least half the heroes on the planet.
He wouldn't want to, or try to, but since he always fails so spectacularly...
I need to re-read Slott's MA again. Probably the best thing about them was they were all pretty short arcs, except the Unspoken which was 5 issues I think.
Pym asking Loki to join the Avengers wasn't that off base considering what he did at the end of Siege.
Not really. Darth Vader killed the Emperor in the ends (spoilers!) but at the beginning of Return of the Jedi walking up to him and asking him to join the rebel alliance etc would have been pretty off-base. I mean, the only reason Luke went to talk to him was to get to teh emprah. This is pretty much the same thing, he turned out to be not so much of a bad guy (though he was still a massively silly goose), but you wouldn't have asked him for help before it happened.
They actually did do a whole "Pym was right after-the-fact" kind of thing in the last issue of Mighty Avengers. It was when Loki sacrificed himself to tip the balance by using the Norn stones to give the superheros a boost. Hank Pym is all "see, I told ya" and Cassie is all "ooooohhh, I see now".
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which makes me think about how funny it is that Bucky and Jason Todd got brought back so close together
yet no babies
And it's really good if you like Louise Simonson's writing (and if you don't you're a monster).
Her husband is better because Thor
but a population of 200 can't come back with re-population. It's just impossible. At some point the numbers are such that even if they all had 10 babies you wouldn't be able to get them back on track.
were they sterile? I just remember from the beginning of that beast mini the moment with Maddox.
mutants are already fucked up genetically
would inbreeding really hurt them?
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Have to give Louise Simonson credit for Steel. And Power Pack.
And Cable.
Steve Rogers is supposed to show up, and maybe Van Lente won't let that scene in Siege where Steve is all "I don't remember you" be forgotten. I expect a "Luke Cage during the Prison Riots in TB #147" response from Taskmaster since it will be his own mini and he has to win, it's the rules.
He says that Giant-Man is the Pym persona always used in other parallel worlds and media, but I've always associated him with Ant-Man. Ant-Man and Wasp works better than Giant-Man and Wasp.
I still don't care for that costume though.
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Part of his character is he keeps changing his dang name
And the fact that those names are from people like his dead ex-wife.
Which is a classic Pym moment, trying to make a moving dedication to her memory and just being really, really creepy. Of course at the same time he is banging a robot copy of her, simply proving Pym's all round brilliance.
I really think he needs a solo ongoing
We only get to see Pym be Pym as a supporting character or in short-lived Avengers runs where he is part of a team
Needs to break free and do his own thing
Sciencing all over the place and generally being an awful hero
I'd read that. Just a book about Pym, the worst hero ever, going around and being utterly terrible.
Also his all ages beating up giant monsters book
That is what is so great about him
he legitimately wants to be a great hero
He is just so bad at it
He'd just use the fact that he's cocked up so many times as cover for being a supervillain. I mean, only a supervillain would build Ultron, try to recruit Loki to his team, and smack his wife.
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Also I love the fighting giant monsters thing
But in my perfect world, there'd be my pym book
and your fighting giant monsters book starring Hawkeye as Goliath again
pym's supervillain plan as a guest arc in my hank pym: worst hero ongoing
I still love him though. EVERY genious scientist would make a sexy robot. And then give it fleshy arms cos adamantium fingers make for nasty handy j's.
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See, I don't agree with that. I think Slott really was trying to rehab Pym, make him a big hero dressed in women's clothing, but it never came across that way in the comic, so there's this idea that it
What really seals this for me is the MA/FF two part story where it's just bad writing, Slott going "oh yeah well I'll make Pym call Reed a bitch and this is so cool! And then Val will totally pwn Cho because she's totally the next Deadpool!"
I was able to get the Unspoken HC for 8 bucks used, and it just didn't stand out very well. Less USAgent and Hercules/Cho, more Cassie/Vision than they are able to carry the book for (the same for Quicksilver but I understand he would be more important in a story dealing with Inhumans), and Pym's doing his Scientist Supreme stuff, and while the idea of having an Inhuman villain is interesting, it kind of falls apart at the end.
I agree with the idea of USAgent totally banging freedom into Ban-Luck, and beating up Collective Man in a battle of jingoism. There were parts of the story where it feels like it finally goes somewhere, but it stops completely because we have to settle with cute little jabs of "OMG he Alpha-Flighted them" (that should never be a verb), and Clint kisses Loki lol and if you don't stop the bad guy, the communists win.
Slott has this problem where he starts stories/runs rather well, then he kind of puts it on cruise control and then tries to show how smart he is with comics history by having all these jokes that distract from the story. I'm sure he thought Eternity punching Hank Pym was totally cool but it sure didn't read like that.
did you miss the parts where every time pym tried to do something radical or calls reed a bitch, the rest of the team makes fun of him.
half the book was pym being a douchebag while the rest of the team called him a douchebag
In the FF arc, everyone still agreed to take on the FF (Walker and Pietro the exceptions, because they were actually being heroes) all because Pym couldn't explain to Reed why he needed Goliath's box of magic.
They were still following him even in the Unspoken arc, where he shows up and everyone's happy he's there as he plays gun toting save the day leader Scientist Supreme.
in the FF arc it was totally morbid curiosity, also because deep down they wanted to see Pym get beaten up.
and in the Unspoken arc, well, they just needed some bodies to throw at the damn thing
they were fighting a losing battle and pym is better than nothing.
but you see, with pietro and walker gone most of the book the only people following pym were:
herc and cho, and that's just because they like adventures
jocasta, who he was banging
and two stupid kids
and throughout all of this, everyone was still doubting why the hell they were following him.
No, if Pym tried to go undercover as a supervillain, he'd more than likely inadvertently kill off at least half the heroes on the planet.
He wouldn't want to, or try to, but since he always fails so spectacularly...
Not really. Darth Vader killed the Emperor in the ends (spoilers!) but at the beginning of Return of the Jedi walking up to him and asking him to join the rebel alliance etc would have been pretty off-base. I mean, the only reason Luke went to talk to him was to get to teh emprah. This is pretty much the same thing, he turned out to be not so much of a bad guy (though he was still a massively silly goose), but you wouldn't have asked him for help before it happened.