And that leads me to another reason I will always defend Siege, both characters it killed off have so far remained dead, although Ares came back briefly for Chaos War.
Hell, even Bullseye has so far remained dead and that happened in the much-maligned Shadowland thing.
All I can say is that Iron Fist -- and, indeed, K'un-Lun -- will play a key role in 2012's "Avengers Vs. X-Men." Danny Rand's profile in the Marvel Universe is about to get a whole lot bigger. I've loved this character ever from his first appearance in "Marvel Premiere" #15 to Ed Brubaker, Matt Fraction and David Aja's masterful handling of him in "The Immortal Iron Fist." If you're dying for your Iron Fist fix, check out "Defenders" #6.
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The amount of time it takes for someone to come back shouldn't matter. Rather, HOW they come back should.
I'd say in all three cases, it's fine. I mean, you could argue the two Fear Itself 'deaths' aren't deaths at all, but changes in the situation that were fakeouts. Those happen all the time. Nothing wrong with that if it's handled well, and for me, they both were.
And sure, Johnny wasn't gone a year, but it felt like a surprisingly long time with how things changed and what went on. Plus, again, his return was setup the whole time and really handled wonderfully.
There is no magic amount of time that suddenly makes it okay to bring someone back.
I hope they decide to give up on the shock deaths for A vs. X-men. However I wouldn't mind Scott sacrificing himself at the end so long as it's done well, like his death meaning Wanda's spell gets undone or somesuch.
The amount of time it takes for someone to come back shouldn't matter. Rather, HOW they come back should.
I'd say in all three cases, it's fine. I mean, you could argue the two Fear Itself 'deaths' aren't deaths at all, but changes in the situation that were fakeouts. Those happen all the time. Nothing wrong with that if it's handled well, and for me, they both were.
And sure, Johnny wasn't gone a year, but it felt like a surprisingly long time with how things changed and what went on. Plus, again, his return was setup the whole time and really handled wonderfully.
There is no magic amount of time that suddenly makes it okay to bring someone back.
I wasn't saying there was a "magic time"
I was saying that it was Fear Itself relied on two "shocking" deaths that were quickly revealed to be fakeouts or strictly temporary, which makes the event much weaker in hindsight
The whole thing was that the war with the Serpent was brutal and had a steep cost, namely Bucky and Thor. But when Bucky didn't actually die and Thor is back in his own title a month after the event ends that cost isn't very steep at all and it cheapens the whole thing
Johnny's death on the other hand was handled beautifully, everything the FF did was still super important and made sense because they were honoring his memory, meanwhile he became King Badass of the Negative Zone.
Johnny's return was one of the best come backs in forever! ( and only like 1 1/2 months off a year)
But like others said, it's not the time left dead, it's the handling of the comeback, if more were done like Johnny's, there'd be much less of an argument about comic deaths.
I'm not going to lie, I really like it when characters don't come back from the dead and you build history on generations of heroes who have come and gone. That said, I am glad that Bucky is not dead, and Thor's story makes sense.
If anything, I'm a little disappointed that Steve didn't either stay dead or stick with his Captain Rogers role so that Bucky could continue being Cap. I really liked Bucky in that role and it would require Steve either dying again or having a really good reason to ditch the role again for Bucky to get back in there.
To be fair, most of Ultimate X-Men was pretty terrible. I mean, even Brian K. Vaughan's run was pretty weak. And the writers after Kirkman were abominable.
Admittedly, I read UXM when I was I dunno, 18? 19? So my memory of it has faded. I remember Millar's run having some interesting moments, like Jean actually sleeping with Wolverine, Wolverine straight up trying to murder Cyclops, Colossus having that mob enforcer history, and Adam Kubert drawing cool stuff.
I remember nothing of Vaughan's run but bad art, and a truly terrible interpretation of Mr. Sinister, that chucked Professor Xavier down some stairs.
I think Bendis' run as a whole was weak but the one-off with Wolverine and the kid was fucking amazing
The Ultimate Universe as a whole was really fantastic for a while there. USM never stopped being rad, of course, but UFF was great for the first 25ish issues, UXM was awesome for the first 33 issues and Ultimates 1 and 2 were amazing.
then it just kind of lost its way and books ranged from quality to bad at random
Luckily the new Ultimate Comics relaunch has been really good
Ah, it's hard to not compare this era of the Avengers to the current era. In this era, quality stories, excellent character portrayals, it was great. Today there's this comedy undertone, and the art is just lacking when compared to this.
I legitimately can't stand most comic fans. I actively avoid conversations at my LCS, because so many fans are rooted in the past, unable to enjoy new stuff, or appreciate it for what it is, rather than what they want it to be.
I legitimately can't stand most comic fans. I actively avoid conversations at my LCS, because so many fans are rooted in the past, unable to enjoy new stuff, or appreciate it for what it is, rather than what they want it to be.
Here's the thing. In most cases not against things because they're new, I'm against them because I think they're just not very good or interesting.
I mean, I'm buying more and more indie stuff, and less DC/Marvel, because I'm hungry for new stuff. And the stuff I am buying from Marvel and DC, are the books that I think are actually telling new stories, with old characters; X-Factor, Daredevil, OMAC, Demon Knights, Thunderbolts, Wolverine and the X-Men, Legion of Monsters, and so on. These are all books that are taking characters I've traditionally liked and placing them in a new context. Heck, I just bought Six Guns #1-3 after having my LCS re-order the first two issues for me, and thought it was great.
I legitimately can't stand most comic fans. I actively avoid conversations at my LCS, because so many fans are rooted in the past, unable to enjoy new stuff, or appreciate it for what it is, rather than what they want it to be.
What pisses me off the most about that retard's review is the constant dick-riding of vol.3, of all things. Anyone with half a brain who's read that shit can tell you how much of a slog it is to get through (it doesn't even get halfway decent until the 2000's)...
What pisses me off the most about that retard's review is the constant dick-riding of vol.3, of all things. Anyone with half a brain who's read that shit can tell you how much of a slog it is to get through (it doesn't even get halfway decent until the 2000's)...
Way to be a Scrooge. There is a reason Ultron Unlimited is one of the best received Avengers stories in years, it does everything an Avengers story should do. Strong backstory, a real threat in a villain, lovely art, a genuine team dynamic, rather ingenious way of defeating the villain. You don't like it, or Busiek's other stuff, tell us why instead of saying it's shit. Saying it's shit is along the lines of Ultimatum/Ultimates 3/JMS' Grounded issue.
But what I really get from your post is nothing but an ad hominem on the reviewer simply because he doesn't like what I'm guessing is your favorite version of Avengers. And that is much more "fanboy" like, going after the person as opposed to the content of the stories, trying to make it seem like only those nerds would like that stuff. Look at the bitching thread, it's all about Millar's work, not the people who might actually buy the work. And you don't even stop with the reviewer, you try to pull some peer pressure crap that only the cool kids realize how boring it is, and damn if that isn't a much more modern day stereotype of a comics fan.
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I was just surprised that both of them were done away with so quickly
I mean at least Johnny had a year off the board before he came back
Hell, even Bullseye has so far remained dead and that happened in the much-maligned Shadowland thing.
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No he didn't
he died in January and came back in the last week of November
Bucky came back in the same event and Thor was revealed to be alive in the issue of Mighty Thor right after Fear Itself
I'd say in all three cases, it's fine. I mean, you could argue the two Fear Itself 'deaths' aren't deaths at all, but changes in the situation that were fakeouts. Those happen all the time. Nothing wrong with that if it's handled well, and for me, they both were.
And sure, Johnny wasn't gone a year, but it felt like a surprisingly long time with how things changed and what went on. Plus, again, his return was setup the whole time and really handled wonderfully.
There is no magic amount of time that suddenly makes it okay to bring someone back.
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Last issue of Children's Crusade hit's February.
I was saying that it was Fear Itself relied on two "shocking" deaths that were quickly revealed to be fakeouts or strictly temporary, which makes the event much weaker in hindsight
The whole thing was that the war with the Serpent was brutal and had a steep cost, namely Bucky and Thor. But when Bucky didn't actually die and Thor is back in his own title a month after the event ends that cost isn't very steep at all and it cheapens the whole thing
Johnny's death on the other hand was handled beautifully, everything the FF did was still super important and made sense because they were honoring his memory, meanwhile he became King Badass of the Negative Zone.
But like others said, it's not the time left dead, it's the handling of the comeback, if more were done like Johnny's, there'd be much less of an argument about comic deaths.
( I am so stoked for the Light Brigade you guys!)
If anything, I'm a little disappointed that Steve didn't either stay dead or stick with his Captain Rogers role so that Bucky could continue being Cap. I really liked Bucky in that role and it would require Steve either dying again or having a really good reason to ditch the role again for Bucky to get back in there.
but that doesn't make their deaths nor "resurrections" any better
I love Peter and all, but his death is actually having an impact, which is very rare.
With it being in the Ultimate universe, it has a very good chance of sticking. Robert Kirkman seemed to disagree with that however.
Well yeah but I actually meant his unnecessary resurrection of Beast in his UXM run.
Nevermind.
God I hated Kirkmans run.
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I remember nothing of Vaughan's run but bad art, and a truly terrible interpretation of Mr. Sinister, that chucked Professor Xavier down some stairs.
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I agree with this. I enjoy some arcs and ideas through the series but Bendis and beyond is weak as a whole.
There are very, very few comics that actually get a raw emotional reaction out of me. That was one of them.
I think Bendis' run as a whole was weak but the one-off with Wolverine and the kid was fucking amazing
The Ultimate Universe as a whole was really fantastic for a while there. USM never stopped being rad, of course, but UFF was great for the first 25ish issues, UXM was awesome for the first 33 issues and Ultimates 1 and 2 were amazing.
then it just kind of lost its way and books ranged from quality to bad at random
Luckily the new Ultimate Comics relaunch has been really good
"Ride or Die" confirmed Dominic Toretto, as they took off to find the Dragon Balls in hopes of reviving their friend Sonic
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I was 96% sure it would be Keith.
Here's the thing. In most cases not against things because they're new, I'm against them because I think they're just not very good or interesting.
I mean, I'm buying more and more indie stuff, and less DC/Marvel, because I'm hungry for new stuff. And the stuff I am buying from Marvel and DC, are the books that I think are actually telling new stories, with old characters; X-Factor, Daredevil, OMAC, Demon Knights, Thunderbolts, Wolverine and the X-Men, Legion of Monsters, and so on. These are all books that are taking characters I've traditionally liked and placing them in a new context. Heck, I just bought Six Guns #1-3 after having my LCS re-order the first two issues for me, and thought it was great.
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Way to be a Scrooge. There is a reason Ultron Unlimited is one of the best received Avengers stories in years, it does everything an Avengers story should do. Strong backstory, a real threat in a villain, lovely art, a genuine team dynamic, rather ingenious way of defeating the villain. You don't like it, or Busiek's other stuff, tell us why instead of saying it's shit. Saying it's shit is along the lines of Ultimatum/Ultimates 3/JMS' Grounded issue.
But what I really get from your post is nothing but an ad hominem on the reviewer simply because he doesn't like what I'm guessing is your favorite version of Avengers. And that is much more "fanboy" like, going after the person as opposed to the content of the stories, trying to make it seem like only those nerds would like that stuff. Look at the bitching thread, it's all about Millar's work, not the people who might actually buy the work. And you don't even stop with the reviewer, you try to pull some peer pressure crap that only the cool kids realize how boring it is, and damn if that isn't a much more modern day stereotype of a comics fan.
That's not true! I just want everyone to read Locke & Key