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Morgan Webb says, "Mario Galaxy needs more 3D!"

olimarioolimario Registered User regular
edited June 2010 in Games and Technology
Her take on the game...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IibvKxLFjpo
  • The artistic style is insipid
  • Mario Galaxy 2 needs a more 3D look
  • Childish
  • Mario's style works on handhelds but not on consoles


I'm just amazed.
I can see the Penny-Arcade strip now harping on her "IT NEEDS MORE 3D NURB VOXELS!" comment. :lol:

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    JudgementJudgement Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Or we could ignore her because she obviously has no fucking clue what she is talking about.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2010
    we've already got a mario galaxy thread you should use here: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=91800

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    olimarioolimario Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I didn't want to muck up the official thread with my old man bitching about Morgan Webb's shitty opinion.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2010
    well making an entirely new thread for it is probably worse

    edit: unless you are trying to make a morgan webb thread I guess
    edit2: I Am Not A Mod, and these are friendly suggestions

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    SollahSollah Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    so she didn't like the style of the graphics or that it doesn't look good on a hdtv

    ok?

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    but sollah

    she is a girl

    and girls do not know about video games

    sorry but them's the facts

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    olimarioolimario Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Sollah wrote: »
    so she didn't like the style of the graphics or that it doesn't look good on a hdtv

    ok?

    No.
    It clearly lacks 3D and needs more of it.
    Also the style only works on handhelds.

    3DS is going to be a GODSEND for her.

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    DritzDritz CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Could make the thread about terrible video game reviews. I personally would like to hate on reviewers incapable of judging a game within the limitations of the system it is on. I don't care if that Wii game doesn't look as good as a game on one of the HD twins, I (somewhat) care if it looks good for a Wii game. Also reviewers reviewing games from genres they don't like.

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    CrewMember169CrewMember169 Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Well I was surprised by how many 2D parts there were in the first Super Mario Galaxy. I liked the game though :)

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    TanolenTanolen Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    They give the game a perfect score and people still complain.

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    l337CrappyJackl337CrappyJack Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Dritz wrote: »
    Could make the thread about terrible video game reviews.

    But we already have an Alpha Protocol thread.

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    Drunk_caterpillarDrunk_caterpillar Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I think if we simply ignore the "needs more 3D" comment she doesn't come off as being all that unreasonable. Maybe everyone should relax a little about a slip up on a podcast?

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Dritz wrote: »
    Could make the thread about terrible video game reviews. I personally would like to hate on reviewers incapable of judging a game within the limitations of the system it is on. I don't care if that Wii game doesn't look as good as a game on one of the HD twins, I (somewhat) care if it looks good for a Wii game. Also reviewers reviewing games from genres they don't like.

    Well, she claims to like platformers in general. I'd say her general assessment, aside from the limitations of the SD console, is that she feels like she's just sort of "done" with Mario. The shine has worn off (and let's be honest, we're talking after two decades...that's pretty good), and despite liking platformers she just couldn't bring herself to love this game.

    I can get that.

    It's actually exactly how I felt about the first Galaxy.

    I can agree she needs to get over the SD aspect, though. Hey, if you need to break out an old SDTV to adequately judge it, do so. I don't care. I'll agree that on my HDTV the Wii looked like rotten asshole more often than not. Oh fucking well. Either get over it and review Wii games within the limitation of the console, or just keep your mouth shut on them. The graphics are sub-par. We know. No need to say it.
    I think if we simply ignore the "needs more 3D" comment she doesn't come off as being all that unreasonable. Maybe everyone should relax a little about a slip up on a podcast?

    Pretty much. The whining about SD was the other gripe I can agree with, but really aside from a couple poorly-worded criticisms I'm right there with her. Oh well.

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    olimarioolimario Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I think if we simply ignore the "needs more 3D" comment she doesn't come off as being all that unreasonable. Maybe everyone should relax a little about a slip up on a podcast?

    But the style works perfectly well on consoles. Most publications have lauded EAD Tokyo for their pleasing aesthetic, technical expertise, and overall polish.

    If she's complaining about jaggies that's a hardware limitation.

    I'm not really sure what she means by both the 3D comment and the one about the style only working on handhelds. I can't expect everyone to appreciate Super Mario Galaxy 2, but I'd like to at least understand the criticisms of high profile reviewers.

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    TanolenTanolen Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    If I had to guess about the 3d comment, it probably means that the game does spend alot of time in 2d mode, and she wanted more 3d sections.

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    SollahSollah Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Tanolen wrote: »
    If I had to guess about the 3d comment, it probably means that the game does spend alot of time in 2d mode, and she wanted more 3d sections.

    It does, from what I've played.

    Also it sounds like this wasn't an official review, just a small discussion about the game. What's wrong with saying it doesn't look good on a HDTV when it doesn't? Unless she brought this up in the actual review (which they mentioned they gave it a perfect score), I don't see why she shouldn't.

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    SollahSollah Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Rent wrote: »
    but sollah

    she is a girl

    and girls do not know about video games

    sorry but them's the facts

    Rent get with the times

    men and women are equals now on the gaming battlefield

    all thanks to the FRAG DO-hahahahaha ok I can't finish this line without laughing 8-)

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    DritzDritz CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Dritz wrote: »
    Could make the thread about terrible video game reviews. I personally would like to hate on reviewers incapable of judging a game within the limitations of the system it is on. I don't care if that Wii game doesn't look as good as a game on one of the HD twins, I (somewhat) care if it looks good for a Wii game. Also reviewers reviewing games from genres they don't like.

    Well, she claims to like platformers in general. I'd say her general assessment, aside from the limitations of the SD console, is that she feels like she's just sort of "done" with Mario. The shine has worn off (and let's be honest, we're talking after two decades...that's pretty good), and despite liking platformers she just couldn't bring herself to love this game.

    I can get that.

    It's actually exactly how I felt about the first Galaxy.

    I can agree she needs to get over the SD aspect, though. Hey, if you need to break out an old SDTV to adequately judge it, do so. I don't care. I'll agree that on my HDTV the Wii looked like rotten asshole more often than not. Oh fucking well. Either get over it and review Wii games within the limitation of the console, or just keep your mouth shut on them. The graphics are sub-par. We know. No need to say it.

    I wasn't really commenting on the video but reviewers in general. To be honest I didn't watch it, I don't like Morgan Webb at the best of times.

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I like Morgan Webb

    I haven't played SMG2 so I have no clue what the hell she's talking about though

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Sollah wrote: »
    Rent get with the times

    men and women are equals now on the gaming battlefield

    all thanks to the FRAG DO-hahahahaha ok I can't finish this line without laughing 8-)

    sollah

    can...love bloom on the battlefield?

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    SollahSollah Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Rent wrote: »
    Sollah wrote: »
    Rent get with the times

    men and women are equals now on the gaming battlefield

    all thanks to the FRAG DO-hahahahaha ok I can't finish this line without laughing 8-)

    sollah

    can...love bloom on the battlefield?

    no

    only overused video game quotes >:

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Mario Galaxy looks great and it is supposed to be "cartoony". That is the art style. A sensation of happiness and nostalgia emanates from that game that few can match.

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    finnithfinnith ... TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    A man named olimario defending a mario game? Sounds mighty suspect I'll say.

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    RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Sollah wrote: »

    no

    only overused video game quotes >:

    I didn't know your real name was Buzz McKillington, Esq. :(

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    BeckBeck Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Who is this person

    She has very bad taste in things

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I think it is unreasonable to expect those games to "grow up". That is kind of missing the point. Still, the end of the the first one was much darker than usual.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Beck wrote: »
    Who is this person

    She has very bad taste in things

    Somebody for whom the Mario nostalgia has finally worn off

    She and I would get along

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    Delta AssaultDelta Assault Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Beck wrote: »
    Who is this person

    She has very bad taste in things

    she prety h0t tho

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    DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Nostalgia, in no sense is a four letter word. I wish it would stop being used as such.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    DHS wrote: »
    Nostalgia, in no sense is a four letter word. I wish it would stop being used as such.

    Very true. But again, it can wear off. I can stop feeling nostalgic. It's okay.

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    DHS wrote: »
    Nostalgia, in no sense is a four letter word. I wish it would stop being used as such.

    It's not even a valid complaint, really

    Super Mario Galaxy did some really neat and exciting stuff for the 3D platformer

    I can only assume that the sequel follows suit

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    DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    mcdermott wrote: »
    DHS wrote: »
    Nostalgia, in no sense is a four letter word. I wish it would stop being used as such.

    Very true. But again, it can wear off. I can stop feeling nostalgic. It's okay.

    Not necessarily saying that at you, but there is the implication that Mario Galaxy survives on nostalgia alone. It certainly wields it, but there's more there than just that.

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    DHS wrote: »
    Nostalgia, in no sense is a four letter word. I wish it would stop being used as such.

    It's not even a valid complaint, really

    Super Mario Galaxy did some really neat and exciting stuff for the 3D platformer

    I can only assume that the sequel follows suit

    I'm unconvinced that Galaxy (and Galaxy 2) would have been particularly popular or well-received games if they did not feature the Mario "brand." Or some other established "brand."

    Yes, they did some neat and exciting stuff. They also did a lot of old and well-covered stuff. With a fairly minimal art style that, honestly, some people may find unappetizing on their big screen.

    I remember the point during Galaxy when I asked myself, "Would I be playing this game if it didn't say 'Mario' on the cover?" And answering myself. Then I stopped playing it.

    Which is not to say it was bad, it's just that given a limited amount of time and a limited videogame budget, it probably wouldn't have otherwise made the cut. I'd never claim that it banks on nostalgia alone, but I feel that while the series continues to try and do new things it has reached the point where it's banking more on nostalgia than actually delivering captivating standalone experiences.

    EDIT: And it's not "cartoony-ness" that gets me, either. Just to avoid that old cliche. Pretty much every game I had for the Wii (all of which I loved) was "cartoony" as all hell. Except Guitar Hero, I suppose. It's just...I dunno, Mario games in particular just don't "do it" for me anymore.

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    KrathoonKrathoon Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    What I like now is that the graphics in the game actually match the drawings in manuals of the old ones. It is like they can now fully realize their artistic vision. To be honest, however, I don't really see a new direction they can go after galaxy. They may have to actually work on story now.

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    BeckBeck Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Beck wrote: »
    Who is this person

    She has very bad taste in things

    Somebody for whom the Mario nostalgia has finally worn off

    She and I would get along

    Hey, I didn't really like Super Mario Galaxy but, I had good reasons.

    This chick thinks the graphics are bad and the game makes her feel as though she is four years old so, it gets the shelf? :\

    She shouldn't have a job anywhere near this industry. We've got enough idiots already.

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    UrianUrian __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2010
    hot girls dont fucking play video games

    i mean shit even if they do they sure as hell won't know anything about them

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    UrianUrian __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2010
    Beck wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Beck wrote: »
    Who is this person

    She has very bad taste in things

    Somebody for whom the Mario nostalgia has finally worn off

    She and I would get along

    Hey, I didn't really like Super Mario Galaxy but, I had good reasons.

    This chick thinks the graphics are bad and the game makes her feel as though she is four years old so, it gets the shelf? :\

    She shouldn't have a job anywhere near this industry. We've got enough idiots already.

    She's like Glenn Beck or any person in media being someone or representing something "fresh" or "crazy" just to make money. Glenn Beck doesn't believe a single word of the shit he says, he does it because he gets ratings for saying it and makes money from that. Morgan Webb is not a "gamer", she's a hot as shit girl who wants nerds to think she's just as hardcore as them because it makes them think they can one day get a girl like her. No, sorry, will never happen. Even if in the farthest reaches of insanity a girl that hot is hardcore into gaming, they will still never go out with a typical pasty-skin glasses wearing nerd. She goes out with rich guys or male models. She makes money because shes talks about gaming like she does it every day, which is a total ruse.

    And also for anyone who doesn't know what she looks like.
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    Fig-DFig-D Tustin, CA, USRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I can understand the "needs more 3D" comment as Mario does happen to have a very solid 2D game on the same platform that was released not too long ago. The 2D sections in Galaxy 2 are really fun, but there really are an awful lot of them for a 3D Mario game.

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    Magus`Magus` The fun has been DOUBLED! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I haven't been able to play straight platformers (IE, all you do is jump around and perhaps collect things) since like.. forever. It's fucking super boring.

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    Darth NathanDarth Nathan Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Good grief that jaw could crack walnuts between it's mighty molars.

    In this case I actually agree with what she's saying. In essence, it's like comparing a Pixar film to some other 3D animation for kids, let's say, comparing Toy Story to, um, I dunno, Horton Hears a Who?

    Pixar will make a film for children that is cartoony, it has your slapstick comedy, a mostly simplistic, morally black and white plot, etc, so that kids can understand and enjoy it. On the flipside, they also work in soooo many adult jokes, references, etc that will go completely over the kids' heads and give the adults a good laugh.

    Whereas Horton is really, really simple, there isn't any subtext for adults, and it is pretty much only enjoyable for the young. This is the situation that Mario finds itself in, with it's incredibly simplistic stories, art design, environments, characters, dialogue, etc, and beyond the gameplay, it has nothing for adults.

    Anyway, I think this is what she's trying to say, perhaps she's not using the right words.

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