But other peoples music IS the source. Theres no filter. Copying other peoples drawings/paintings would be like studying a cover band.
This makes sense and completely disproves my previous parallel. Hooray!
And yes, when the time comes (sooner than later), I would like to post my horrible first-generation creations. Learning from the pros is way better than books and constant self-doubt.
Actually, I believe copying other people's work is one of the most important things you can do personally. I don't do nearly enough of it. The problem is that in order to copy work properly you need to do some studying from life and pick up some observational skills first.
But really, the only way to understand someones work is to copy it. What you need to understand about drawing is that you are training your eye, not your hand. I think that's one of the most misunderstood aspects of art in general.
Actually, I believe copying other people's work is one of the most important things you can do personally. I don't do nearly enough of it. The problem is that in order to copy work properly you need to do some studying from life and pick up some observational skills first.
But really, the only way to understand someones work is to copy it. What you need to understand about drawing is that you are training your eye, not your hand. I think that's one of the most misunderstood aspects of art in general.
You are right - I was overzealous in my metaphor. Copying is important in ways, but as you said, its not really a beginner thing. Yet another example of why comparing learning to draw to learning to music is not really a good idea.
I agree with cake, I've learned a lot about package structures from copying what I see. It's not enough to see it, you don't really understand it until you see everything in action.
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You should learn to draw by not doing anything, then when you are ready, pick up a pencil and let your heart guide your hand around the page to create masterpieces. If other people don't agree that they are masterpieces you need to yell at them until they do. Next, profit.
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You should learn to draw by not doing anything, then when you are ready, pick up a pencil and let your heart guide your hand around the page to create masterpieces. If other people don't agree that they are masterpieces you need to yell at them until they do. Next, profit.
I -really- don't want to leave my whole team high and dry with no lead artist. We were all in that shitboat together and I can't pull the plug on them now.
First piece of advice, even though it may feel like it, you wouldn't be leaving your team high and dry -- the managers of the company you work for would be through not looking after the project or the team.
Secondly, never be afraid to leave a job. As someone who's been made redundant SIX FREAKING TIMES, I've lost plenty of cushy jobs but you move on, you take a lot with you, and you find yourself achieving a different set of goals somewhere else, and before you know it you feel a lot more in control of your career rather than feeling like there's this one job you have to stay at.
And finally, if you have a business savvy friend, who can come up with a sound business plan for you to kickstart a small studio, and you have some savings to rely on (or low outgoings or whatever) then I say go for it. You'll never know until you do it. And personally, I'd rather be with a business savvy friend than managers who won't realise until the last minute when the bottom falls out of the facebook games market...
I'm actually in a very similar situation: got a decent job, doing work I like BUT I don't have a tonne of faith in the managers and I'm very tempted to move on. But I currently do so much for the company (literally, there are so many tasks that only I have the knowledge to do) it would really leave them in the shit if (when) I leave.
But that's careers for you, you have to be happy doing what you're doing.
Gibs: don't kill yourself for a company that doesn't want to help itself. I'd say go start your own awesome company and not stress out about having to find someone to fill your shoes. That shouldn't be your job. Just give your company a decent heads up for when you are leaving, like maybe a month instead of the 2 weeks if it will help your conscience.
One of my friends just got hired at 38 Studios/Big Huge Games! Very exciting! Especially because not even 2 months ago, at 38 Studios's presentation/lecture/portfolio-review at SCAD, this friend and another friend and I were all "olol it would be totally cool to work together in the future!" ......and that's....entirely possible now! Heheeeee (they're both really effing good, too...especially for people who just graduated college).
I just need to stop being a depressed piece of shit for long enough to work on the portfolio. Also summertime is a lot more fun when you're experiencing it outdoors. But yeah. I need to start caring about whether I'm alive or dead ololololol god I hate apathy.
One of my friends just got hired at 38 Studios/Big Huge Games! Very exciting! Especially because not even 2 months ago, at 38 Studios's presentation/lecture/portfolio-review at SCAD, this friend and another friend and I were all "olol it would be totally cool to work together in the future!" ......and that's....entirely possible now! Heheeeee (they're both really effing good, too...especially for people who just graduated college).
I just need to stop being a depressed piece of shit for long enough to work on the portfolio. Also summertime is a lot more fun when you're experiencing it outdoors. But yeah. I need to start caring about whether I'm alive or dead ololololol god I hate apathy.
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ND hows it going with you!? Stuff! We need to form a too much free time collective! You me and tripwire.
The pacing was pretty bizarre, but I laughed at some of the jokes. It's been like five years since they got cancelled, and those were just the first two new episodes. Cut them some slack.
edit: it seems like I'm always counterpointing Paradise
That's why I like you, Tam.
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edited June 2010
I think they will. Quality wise, they have a lot more going for them then the movies- however it seems like they were used to the extended run time of the movies and had a hard time paring the episodes down so the ending makes sense.
Jurassic Bark was sad, but Luck of the Fryrish wasn't. It was poignant, don't get me wrong, but for Fry, it was pretty edifying. He'd always fought with his brother and then finds out that Yancy loved him enough to name his son after him to carry on Fry's spirit.
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pretty much exactly how I imagined her when I heard the song.
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This makes sense and completely disproves my previous parallel. Hooray!
And yes, when the time comes (sooner than later), I would like to post my horrible first-generation creations. Learning from the pros is way better than books and constant self-doubt.
Dang i just bought torchlight too. Just gotta wait for another payday.
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But really, the only way to understand someones work is to copy it. What you need to understand about drawing is that you are training your eye, not your hand. I think that's one of the most misunderstood aspects of art in general.
You are right - I was overzealous in my metaphor. Copying is important in ways, but as you said, its not really a beginner thing. Yet another example of why comparing learning to draw to learning to music is not really a good idea.
You forgot the mysterious "???"
No, but that's the meme dammit.
First piece of advice, even though it may feel like it, you wouldn't be leaving your team high and dry -- the managers of the company you work for would be through not looking after the project or the team.
Secondly, never be afraid to leave a job. As someone who's been made redundant SIX FREAKING TIMES, I've lost plenty of cushy jobs but you move on, you take a lot with you, and you find yourself achieving a different set of goals somewhere else, and before you know it you feel a lot more in control of your career rather than feeling like there's this one job you have to stay at.
And finally, if you have a business savvy friend, who can come up with a sound business plan for you to kickstart a small studio, and you have some savings to rely on (or low outgoings or whatever) then I say go for it. You'll never know until you do it. And personally, I'd rather be with a business savvy friend than managers who won't realise until the last minute when the bottom falls out of the facebook games market...
I'm actually in a very similar situation: got a decent job, doing work I like BUT I don't have a tonne of faith in the managers and I'm very tempted to move on. But I currently do so much for the company (literally, there are so many tasks that only I have the knowledge to do) it would really leave them in the shit if (when) I leave.
But that's careers for you, you have to be happy doing what you're doing.
Good luck dude!
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One of my friends just got hired at 38 Studios/Big Huge Games! Very exciting! Especially because not even 2 months ago, at 38 Studios's presentation/lecture/portfolio-review at SCAD, this friend and another friend and I were all "olol it would be totally cool to work together in the future!" ......and that's....entirely possible now! Heheeeee (they're both really effing good, too...especially for people who just graduated college).
I just need to stop being a depressed piece of shit for long enough to work on the portfolio. Also summertime is a lot more fun when you're experiencing it outdoors. But yeah. I need to start caring about whether I'm alive or dead ololololol god I hate apathy.
ANYWAYS
hi
That being said, he was a mailman and owned a pizza place. Not nearly as hard as art school.
"I surblibed with only trivial brain dablage." hahaha
ND hows it going with you!? Stuff! We need to form a too much free time collective! You me and tripwire.
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edit: it seems like I'm always counterpointing Paradise
edit: watching it again. maybe not that bad, but it's not old series good.
I did like it though it just felt rushed and slightly disconnected.
This is a problem with both episodes.
But its better than the worst episodes that preceeded it.
The pacing was pretty bizarre, but I laughed at some of the jokes. It's been like five years since they got cancelled, and those were just the first two new episodes. Cut them some slack.
That's why I like you, Tam.
edit: I dunno. I think new Futurama is actually funny.
So... yes? Probably.
Bender's "Sweet Georgia Brown" whistling was haunting, especially when it repeated right before the credits.
And his dog going to sleep. And Discovering Philip J. Fry would have been his nephew.
The series finale was also pretty touching.
But I guess it's not the finale anymore...
unrelated to Futurama:
"Whoever has the cursed monkey paw, stop making wishes!"
I saw where he was going with that.
"I'm sure it seemed like a good idea to wish that all that oil wasn't in the ocean anymore...until it came raining down upon you."
edit: expose your Newshole.