Playing this game I can't help but feel that it would be so awesome if there was also traditional gameplay to complement it. Like an rpg stealth game with dialogue and quests and all and a world with about as open and restricted as in Mass Effect, but there's no combat, just hacking and sneaking.
Subversion is the future. From the images and videos I picture a game where you have to sneak your spy team into other companies buildings hacking electronics as you go. So if there's a camera in the way you'd need to find the computer on the network controlling it and disrupt the feed long enough for your men to move by. But then you'd also need to clean up all your hacking afterwards if you want the intrusion to remain hidden. As there may be a bit of cleaning to do after each mission hopefully there would be relatively expensive software that would do it all for you (ie. to remove the micromanaging of all your hacking)
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Playing this game I can't help but feel that it would be so awesome if there was also traditional gameplay to complement it. Like an rpg stealth game with dialogue and quests and all and a world with about as open and restricted as in Mass Effect, but there's no combat, just hacking and sneaking.
Subversion is the future. From the images and videos I picture a game where you have to sneak your spy team into other companies buildings hacking electronics as you go. So if there's a camera in the way you'd need to find the computer on the network controlling it and disrupt the feed long enough for your men to move by. But then you'd also need to clean up all your hacking afterwards if you want the intrusion to remain hidden. As there may be a bit of cleaning to do after each mission hopefully there would be relatively expensive software that would do it all for you (ie. to remove the micromanaging of all your hacking)
Subversion looks really promising from the minimal details which Introversion have released. It certainly looks like the spiritual successor to Uplink, at least in terms of theme and motivation. The thing that has me slightly concerned is the broader scope that the game seems to have. Uplink was awesome because it was you, as a single hacker, trusting no one, and doing whatever the heck you wanted. You were the one doing all the hacking, so you had to know how to (or figure out how to) bypass security measures, find targets, navigate complicated LANs, and so forth. Subversion looks almost like you're a hacker farm manager instead.
I'd really rather be able to crack the security on a corporate grid myself, than click a button that makes Bob's status flip from [Drinking Mountain Dew] to [Hacking]. The timed element to Uplink gave it an urgency and 'panic' factor I've never really seen equaled in games since, even one with impressive graphics. Bank hacking still gets my heart pounding, since I know one slip up will end everything, and there's no (real) way to restore a save.
But, again, they've been pretty tight lipped about implementation. Maybe it'll all work great. I'm certainly on board for the game no matter what, considering it's Introversion. Plus, their city-building tech is pretty sweet looking.
Here's a neat thing. Go to modlink.net and you can download new graphical themes. DOS style, Doom style, a whole bunch. But this one is pretty much the best (spoilered for 1440x900):
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Yes, yes it is. Mmm.
Okay, how do I crack voice locks? I have a voice analyzer, but I am unsure of how to use it.
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That is awesome. Some of the early screens they released just had your men as icons along the bottom of the screen with a big 'Hacking' status, and made it look like the other portion of the game was just tactical RTS stuff. This looks a lot closer to "Sneakers: The Game"
Here's a neat thing. Go to modlink.net and you can download new graphical themes. DOS style, Doom style, a whole bunch. But this one is pretty much the best (spoilered for 1440x900):
Damn you! You just made me want to reinstall two games, instead of just Uplink.
Okay, how do I crack voice locks? I have a voice analyzer, but I am unsure of how to use it.
You find the phone number of the system administrator (it's on the company's public access server)
Run voice analyser, and then call the number (no need to bounce). He'll say hello a few times and hang up and that'll be all the voice data you need. DO NOT CLOSE THE VOICE ANALYSER.
Now go to wherever you need the voice, usually a central mainframe. Go to the voice input bit on the initial screen and press play on the analyser. Hey presto, access granted.
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Okay, how do I crack voice locks? I have a voice analyzer, but I am unsure of how to use it.
Go to interNIC, find the public access widget for the company you're trying to hack. If it's the right place, it should have the admin's phone number. Call the admin, use the voice thingy to record his voice. From there, you've got a voice sample for use when you need it.
:edit: beaten, but adding to the above poster, I think they added a level 2 voice analyzer that lets you save voice samples, meaning if you have storage space, you can hang on to their voice for future visits.
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Oh, super awesome! Thanks dudes.
Now if only I could get this fancy new world map to work.
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There was apparently a patch since I last played the game, which among other things makes saved bounces (as in the chain of systems between you and your target, which you can save on the map) persist between saves. This is an enormous time saver.
I connect through a network of bounces starting at Internic, get in, delete the files, and get out with over 150 seconds to spare. I immediately delete the bounce log and the password accepted log from Internic.
I go to the newspaper and go into fastforward to wait for the news of my hack so that I could get paid, and boom, caught.
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edited June 2010
Is it possible you'd missed the logs from a previous mission and only just then got caught?
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This game is fun, but it'd be a hell of a lot better if they let you assign programs to hotkeys (like hitting F1 to open the Password Breaker and such) and/or letting you close the currently active program with spacebar/escape.
Even if it was balanced by putting it in as an option that also increased the speed at which you're traced, it'd be worth it.
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edited June 2010
It's a real shame other developers don't get a license from Introversion to utilize the Uplink engine to implement awesome, fun hacking in their games instead of dull minigames. I'm not talking about mid-level stuff, though, just something to do between missions. Being able to have this big hacker sub-story in the next Deus Ex game would be pretty spectacular, especially if it tied in well to the main story and gave an edge in information.
so i don't know if i'm doing it right or not, but after every mission when i disconnect i'm told my account is revoked and shit, i haven't been caught yet and pretty much have deleted everything on the interNIC, which i learned is a mistake. My other problem is I am wondering if I should be getting new IPs to bounce my signal off of, other then just uplink's stuff
guessing i will be caught in a few hours
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so i don't know if i'm doing it right or not, but after every mission when i disconnect i'm told my account is revoked and shit, i haven't been caught yet and pretty much have deleted everything on the interNIC, which i learned is a mistake. My other problem is I am wondering if I should be getting new IPs to bounce my signal off of, other then just uplink's stuff
guessing i will be caught in a few hours
That's just the game's way of saying "We changed the password on the account you accessed the system with."
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so i don't know if i'm doing it right or not, but after every mission when i disconnect i'm told my account is revoked and shit, i haven't been caught yet and pretty much have deleted everything on the interNIC, which i learned is a mistake. My other problem is I am wondering if I should be getting new IPs to bounce my signal off of, other then just uplink's stuff
guessing i will be caught in a few hours
First off do an InterNIC search for 'bank' and add all those banks. Then go to each bank and sign up for an account. I can confirm that creating accounts at each bank gave me way more time on getting traced. When you delete your logs from InterNIC you only really need to delete your reroute log. I heard you should also delete the pw verification log but I never do and nothing has ever happened.
At the moment I only use the Uplink servers, banks, and global databases to bounce my connection and I've always had plenty of time. At one point I did 4 jobs in one hack at the ISS database.
can get a list of all Uplink agents. You'll get a sidequest to decrypt them and send the list to a third party.
Not ALL the agents, the file that would have included yourself is mysteriously missing.
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edited June 2010
So playing this again really makes me itch for that Subversion game. I really need a pared-down but brilliant crime simulator. Now.
Plus, it makes me think of planning cyber-capers a la Shadowrun. And anything which gets us closer to a great Shadowrun game is great in my book. Did you know Subversion is supposed to create randomized cities? Hot. Super hot. The videos of the process are pretty awesome.
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So playing this again really makes me itch for that Subversion game. I really need a pared-down but brilliant crime simulator. Now.
Plus, it makes me think of planning cyber-capers a la Shadowrun. And anything which gets us closer to a great Shadowrun game is great in my book. Did you know Subversion is supposed to create randomized cities? Hot. Super hot. The videos of the process are pretty awesome.
In a perfect world Subversion would be super moddable and we'd have a Shadowrun total conversion within a week of launch.
Also I would be married to a super model and live in a moon fortress.
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I could've sworn that by hacking into the Uplink servers you can
copy all the software you want? Why am I spoiling this? Though honestly, by the point you can hack uplink you'll have all the software you want
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edited June 2010
I'm a patient man. I can let something like this percolate so, someday, we can get something really incredible for a Shadowrun game. Seeing the dev tools for Subversion also makes me think of the possibility of a fan-made runs complete with scripted events and custom-tailored security systems. If people will spend hours putting things together for just a group of 5-6 people, why not make them able to do the same thing but give the setups to millions?
But I digress, that's all just pipe dreams. Raise your hand if you hate it when a client tells you about the security for a system but completely leaves out something obvious like the voice recognition system. Raise your other hand if this happens to you every time but you already spent a wad of cash on a completely different anti-security measure and are pretty much broke.
This game is fun, but it'd be a hell of a lot better if they let you assign programs to hotkeys (like hitting F1 to open the Password Breaker and such) and/or letting you close the currently active program with spacebar/escape.
Even if it was balanced by putting it in as an option that also increased the speed at which you're traced, it'd be worth it.
This is why I couldn't stick with the game. I think I really wanted CTRL+TAB to jump between windows, too. Fumbling around, clicking on everything with the mouse really killed the feel for me.
Before you send the data off be sure to pay a visit to the ciminal records database. I think you need to enter three crimes before they issue an arrest warrant. Hey presto you're now #1 agent.
You can't edit the criminal records of fellow agents, I tried it last night.
Did you enter their screen name or real name? I got a fellow agent arrested in a mission, felt bad, and went to clear his criminal record using the name that was in the news report. They didn't let him out of jail, alas.
If you put in their screen name, their real name will come up on the database. They probably patched it out, because having agents arrested will break the plot.
You can certainly have them arrested in missions (such as the life ruining ones) but not freelance.
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Subversion is the future. From the images and videos I picture a game where you have to sneak your spy team into other companies buildings hacking electronics as you go. So if there's a camera in the way you'd need to find the computer on the network controlling it and disrupt the feed long enough for your men to move by. But then you'd also need to clean up all your hacking afterwards if you want the intrusion to remain hidden. As there may be a bit of cleaning to do after each mission hopefully there would be relatively expensive software that would do it all for you (ie. to remove the micromanaging of all your hacking)
Subversion looks really promising from the minimal details which Introversion have released. It certainly looks like the spiritual successor to Uplink, at least in terms of theme and motivation. The thing that has me slightly concerned is the broader scope that the game seems to have. Uplink was awesome because it was you, as a single hacker, trusting no one, and doing whatever the heck you wanted. You were the one doing all the hacking, so you had to know how to (or figure out how to) bypass security measures, find targets, navigate complicated LANs, and so forth. Subversion looks almost like you're a hacker farm manager instead.
I'd really rather be able to crack the security on a corporate grid myself, than click a button that makes Bob's status flip from [Drinking Mountain Dew] to [Hacking]. The timed element to Uplink gave it an urgency and 'panic' factor I've never really seen equaled in games since, even one with impressive graphics. Bank hacking still gets my heart pounding, since I know one slip up will end everything, and there's no (real) way to restore a save.
But, again, they've been pretty tight lipped about implementation. Maybe it'll all work great. I'm certainly on board for the game no matter what, considering it's Introversion. Plus, their city-building tech is pretty sweet looking.
http://www.introversion.co.uk/blog/20100504/video.avi
Okay, how do I crack voice locks? I have a voice analyzer, but I am unsure of how to use it.
That is awesome. Some of the early screens they released just had your men as icons along the bottom of the screen with a big 'Hacking' status, and made it look like the other portion of the game was just tactical RTS stuff. This looks a lot closer to "Sneakers: The Game"
Damn you! You just made me want to reinstall two games, instead of just Uplink.
You find the phone number of the system administrator (it's on the company's public access server)
Run voice analyser, and then call the number (no need to bounce). He'll say hello a few times and hang up and that'll be all the voice data you need. DO NOT CLOSE THE VOICE ANALYSER.
Now go to wherever you need the voice, usually a central mainframe. Go to the voice input bit on the initial screen and press play on the analyser. Hey presto, access granted.
Go to interNIC, find the public access widget for the company you're trying to hack. If it's the right place, it should have the admin's phone number. Call the admin, use the voice thingy to record his voice. From there, you've got a voice sample for use when you need it.
:edit: beaten, but adding to the above poster, I think they added a level 2 voice analyzer that lets you save voice samples, meaning if you have storage space, you can hang on to their voice for future visits.
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
Now if only I could get this fancy new world map to work.
Apparently mods like the FBI mod are incompatible with the Steam version. Damn shame too.
I then clicked and was mildly disappointed.
http://compactiongames.about.com/cs/demos/p/halflife_demo.htm
Ah memories...
Mission to delete all files on a file server.
I connect through a network of bounces starting at Internic, get in, delete the files, and get out with over 150 seconds to spare. I immediately delete the bounce log and the password accepted log from Internic.
I go to the newspaper and go into fastforward to wait for the news of my hack so that I could get paid, and boom, caught.
What the hell happened?
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
That's probably it, I still hadn't upgraded from version 3.
Thanks.
Even if it was balanced by putting it in as an option that also increased the speed at which you're traced, it'd be worth it.
guessing i will be caught in a few hours
That's just the game's way of saying "We changed the password on the account you accessed the system with."
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
First off do an InterNIC search for 'bank' and add all those banks. Then go to each bank and sign up for an account. I can confirm that creating accounts at each bank gave me way more time on getting traced. When you delete your logs from InterNIC you only really need to delete your reroute log. I heard you should also delete the pw verification log but I never do and nothing has ever happened.
At the moment I only use the Uplink servers, banks, and global databases to bounce my connection and I've always had plenty of time. At one point I did 4 jobs in one hack at the ISS database.
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Plus, it makes me think of planning cyber-capers a la Shadowrun. And anything which gets us closer to a great Shadowrun game is great in my book. Did you know Subversion is supposed to create randomized cities? Hot. Super hot. The videos of the process are pretty awesome.
In a perfect world Subversion would be super moddable and we'd have a Shadowrun total conversion within a week of launch.
Also I would be married to a super model and live in a moon fortress.
But I digress, that's all just pipe dreams. Raise your hand if you hate it when a client tells you about the security for a system but completely leaves out something obvious like the voice recognition system. Raise your other hand if this happens to you every time but you already spent a wad of cash on a completely different anti-security measure and are pretty much broke.
This is why I couldn't stick with the game. I think I really wanted CTRL+TAB to jump between windows, too. Fumbling around, clicking on everything with the mouse really killed the feel for me.
yea this, but
EDIT: so late, whoops
Did you enter their screen name or real name? I got a fellow agent arrested in a mission, felt bad, and went to clear his criminal record using the name that was in the news report. They didn't let him out of jail, alas.
You can certainly have them arrested in missions (such as the life ruining ones) but not freelance.