Well, I get like 140 or so for a good win, plus 160 or so for first win of the day. Total= 300. If the IP boost just doubles the first boost, then it's 440 or so. That matches up, meaning it's not affected by the first win of the day bonus. They cost about 290 RP, right? 290 RP = about 600 IP at best. That's a pretty terrible ratio, unless there's no way you can save your RP and spend it on a day where you're going to play a bunch in a 24 hour period, and the only thing you want to use your RP on is runes.
Edit: However, if you don't anticipate ever being able to play more than 1-3 games per day because of kids/job/lack of interest etc., then they're a way to increase your IP gain. Just not a very good one. And the only thing you can't buy with RP is runes, so if you ever spend IP on anything else at all, it'd be better to just spend your RP on that.
i think the really nice thing about the vei changes is that instead of tear of the goddess being standard, with a built in chalice you can immediately go into big ap items
wonder if a zhonya's or rylai's would be good to build first on him now
maybe grab a doran's ring to start
Rylai's would be a hilarious first item if you can get away with getting the 20 AP item that looks like a book first. I would bet that it's going to be Sapphire Crystal-ROA first though.
My moneys on deathfire grasp being the standard first veigar item now, his passive alone won't give him enough mana, so it'll give him the extra bit of mana regen he'll need, another nuke, all the CD reduction he needs and a bit of ap. ROA doesn't do too much for him as most veigar builds have no survivability so he doesn't need the hitpoints, he counts on his stun to save his ass from everything.
6300. I played him once. Didn't do spectacular. How do you guys build him? All his recommendeds are that of a carry, more or less, but all his abilities feed off of AP.. but all his ratios suck.
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Zen VulgarityWhat a lovely day for teaSecret British ThreadRegistered Userregular
6300. I played him once. Didn't do spectacular. How do you guys build him? All his recommendeds are that of a carry, more or less, but all his abilities feed off of AP.. but all his ratios suck.
The Riot intern suggested hybrid and I'm thinking he might be on the money with that. Guinsoo works nicely, as does Trinity Force.
i wish they would do 3 packs or something, let you save up to buy 3 at say... 35% reduced ip/rp cost. they'd probably only do that with RP though.
Yeah, that'd defeat the point. The whole goal of the system is to make it fun and exciting enough that you get impatient with the IP rates, without being totally frustrated, and decide to drop a few bucks.
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INeedNoSaltwith blood on my teethRegistered Userregular
edited June 2010
So considering dropping five bucks on Riot points (with the 700 i've still got) to buy one of the new character
How is the Maw guy?
What Malzahar/Kennen? Olaf?
Akali?
I could buy Garen right now...
These characters are all new since the last time I played.
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Not to be a goose but uhh.. yeah I know. But unknown people = no one wants to play with.
I've asked quite a few times in vent and IMs in-game... rarely even dignified with a response. :P
There's an element of luck sometimes. Sometimes people are afk, or they're focused on their game or whatever. But I've never seen people exclude newbies on that basis - I jumped in pretty easily my first few times. (I'm still a newbie really since I can't play very often since I work evenings, but.)
Just ask periodically, check the multiple channels, etc. Something will turn up.
I've been around for quite some time... level 28. :P
And yes, aware of the checking periodically, asking a few people, etc. I appreciate the help tho!
Also, get ready to see more leather trunks. Pantheon does more damage with heart seeker strike this patch and is totally insane early game. GG.
uh how
did they break him again?
His cone of doom spear in your face x4 attack now properly does 2x damage to champions. Which makes his jump stun/face stab x4/toss a spear really powerful early on.
Because Jax usually does everything he does but better. Excluding some crazy low hp how the hell did he get out kills, but that's usually when the other player makes a mistake or is low ELO. Not exactly the best thing to rely on.
Seriously though, if any of you don't particularly like him, what's the reason? He fills my niche for badass melee beatstick who isn't Jax.
But then again I do understand this sentiment. I don't play melee carries but I do get sick of Ashe and Ez from time to time, when that happens I'll play a game or two of Twisted or Trist. Maybe the other two are higher tier, but a change of pace is sometimes needed.
If you play that kind of hero and enjoy that style of gameplay I can see him as being fun, and that's really what playing is all about. I just see some of the other characters being better in ranked matches.
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Also, get ready to see more leather trunks. Pantheon does more damage with heart seeker strike this patch and is totally insane early game. GG.
uh how
did they break him again?
His cone of doom spear in your face x4 attack now properly does 2x damage to champions. Which makes his jump stun/face stab x4/toss a spear really powerful early on.
right but the coefficient was fucked last patch and doing about 3 times the damage it was supposed too
Also, get ready to see more leather trunks. Pantheon does more damage with heart seeker strike this patch and is totally insane early game. GG.
uh how
did they break him again?
His cone of doom spear in your face x4 attack now properly does 2x damage to champions. Which makes his jump stun/face stab x4/toss a spear really powerful early on.
right but the coefficient was fucked last patch and doing about 3 times the damage it was supposed too
With a little bit of damage it didn't matter if i cleansed right after the stun, my hp would melt away before I strafed away. He definitely need a few changes and a smoothing out of his abilities, but just making that annoying move hit like a truck isn't the way to do it. Thought Riot acknowledged something along those lines.
Wow... the AP ratio on KogMaw's ult is extremely bad. Like .3
That's because the cooldown is super low. It would be completely insane otherwise.
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OtakuD00DCan I hit the exploding rocks?San DiegoRegistered Userregular
edited June 2010
Yeah, I like Olaf's style. I guess I'll go for him. Generally, I just stick with the recommended items (Though I'm now avoiding Zerker boots!), going for the hammer first, then the bloodsteal item, then the armor or spear depending on the game.
I focus exclusively on Undertow and Vicious Strikes. Reckless Strike is the thing I get last.
So considering dropping five bucks on Riot points (with the 700 i've still got) to buy one of the new character
How is the Maw guy?
What Malzahar/Kennen? Olaf?
Akali?
I could buy Garen right now...
These characters are all new since the last time I played.
Garen is very, very good. He's almost to the point where he's over powered. He takes damage as well as any tank, he's got amazing staying power in lane, he's decent damage (especially before level 13 or so), he's fast with great escape abilities, and his silence has a ton of utility.
The only thing he doesn't have, really, is any kind of stun or slow.
If you do pick him, I can give you an item, rune, and mastery build that will cause you to never lose*
*most of the time
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INeedNoSaltwith blood on my teethRegistered Userregular
edited June 2010
Well I tried a game with Akali and I really liked how she played
But what other character allows you to silence and spin around a character yelling JUSTICE!
But yeah I can see his abilities being a little boring (despite being quite good). Akali can be a lot of fun though. Only annoying thing about her is her rough laning phase till 6.
IF you do an arranged team, how does it determine which elo bracet you go into?
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My understanding is it combines your ELO's (averages?) and adds a bonus for being premade. I don't know any specifics though or if any specifics are even out there.
* Missile Barrage
o Added a counter indicating how close to the Big One you are
o 1 missile is now granted when you first put a point into it
o Missile Barrage now reloads while dead and will no longer reset the stack count upon death
this is awesome
also now when i am about to hit 6 i don't have to jam the hotkey to learn missile barrage to get a missile really fast
Items
* Spirit Visage healing and regen received reduced to 20% from 25%
* Mercury Treads crowd control reduction reduced to 35% from 40%
not cool man
just
not cool
also overall i like the veigar changes, though if they thought his passive needed to change i don't see why they would basically take his passive's effect and add it to his ultimate.
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Edit: However, if you don't anticipate ever being able to play more than 1-3 games per day because of kids/job/lack of interest etc., then they're a way to increase your IP gain. Just not a very good one. And the only thing you can't buy with RP is runes, so if you ever spend IP on anything else at all, it'd be better to just spend your RP on that.
My moneys on deathfire grasp being the standard first veigar item now, his passive alone won't give him enough mana, so it'll give him the extra bit of mana regen he'll need, another nuke, all the CD reduction he needs and a bit of ap. ROA doesn't do too much for him as most veigar builds have no survivability so he doesn't need the hitpoints, he counts on his stun to save his ass from everything.
Yeah, I hear ya man. When are the 12k ones coming out?!
You joke, but it'll happen soon enough.
Also, get ready to see more leather trunks. Pantheon does more damage with heart seeker strike this patch and is totally insane early game. GG.
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The Riot intern suggested hybrid and I'm thinking he might be on the money with that. Guinsoo works nicely, as does Trinity Force.
Chalice is a must. He is mana thirsty.
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wait
more damage?
what the fuck
i thought they fixed it?
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uh how
did they break him again?
Olaf says hello. (and then I say goodbye cause he's kind of a waste of time....)
Yeah, that'd defeat the point. The whole goal of the system is to make it fun and exciting enough that you get impatient with the IP rates, without being totally frustrated, and decide to drop a few bucks.
How is the Maw guy?
What Malzahar/Kennen? Olaf?
Akali?
I could buy Garen right now...
These characters are all new since the last time I played.
what
Seriously though, if any of you don't particularly like him, what's the reason? He fills my niche for badass melee beatstick who isn't Jax.
I've been around for quite some time... level 28. :P
And yes, aware of the checking periodically, asking a few people, etc. I appreciate the help tho!
I hate Olaf because it seems like his hidden passive is to make solo queuers act like they can take on a 3v1 odds at half health.
His cone of doom spear in your face x4 attack now properly does 2x damage to champions. Which makes his jump stun/face stab x4/toss a spear really powerful early on.
But then again I do understand this sentiment. I don't play melee carries but I do get sick of Ashe and Ez from time to time, when that happens I'll play a game or two of Twisted or Trist. Maybe the other two are higher tier, but a change of pace is sometimes needed.
If you play that kind of hero and enjoy that style of gameplay I can see him as being fun, and that's really what playing is all about. I just see some of the other characters being better in ranked matches.
right but the coefficient was fucked last patch and doing about 3 times the damage it was supposed too
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With a little bit of damage it didn't matter if i cleansed right after the stun, my hp would melt away before I strafed away. He definitely need a few changes and a smoothing out of his abilities, but just making that annoying move hit like a truck isn't the way to do it. Thought Riot acknowledged something along those lines.
That's because the cooldown is super low. It would be completely insane otherwise.
I focus exclusively on Undertow and Vicious Strikes. Reckless Strike is the thing I get last.
Garen is very, very good. He's almost to the point where he's over powered. He takes damage as well as any tank, he's got amazing staying power in lane, he's decent damage (especially before level 13 or so), he's fast with great escape abilities, and his silence has a ton of utility.
The only thing he doesn't have, really, is any kind of stun or slow.
If you do pick him, I can give you an item, rune, and mastery build that will cause you to never lose*
*most of the time
Garen's abilities sound ... boring.
But yeah I can see his abilities being a little boring (despite being quite good). Akali can be a lot of fun though. Only annoying thing about her is her rough laning phase till 6.
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It's higher. Because we can't see our own elos, and because the adjustment has actually changed in the past few months, we don't know how much higher.
It's slightly to extremely higher. Somewhere in there.
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this is awesome
also now when i am about to hit 6 i don't have to jam the hotkey to learn missile barrage to get a missile really fast
not cool man
just
not cool
also overall i like the veigar changes, though if they thought his passive needed to change i don't see why they would basically take his passive's effect and add it to his ultimate.