It's not akin to the Wii. The better comparison is Natal. The Wii has traditional buttons/dpad/analog (my one complaint is the lack of a right stick) allowing it to handle traditional controls and not solely rely on motion. The problem people have with the iPhone is that it must rely entirely on touch controls, which is horrible for a lot of games.
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I don't want an iphone, as I still refuse to own a cellphone...
Not even for emergencies?
My wife has a cellphone for emergencies, I just don't care to have one.
Backround: I use to work for Cellular One for quite a long time as a technician. I was on call to both customers and employees. I was forced to carry two seperate cell phones and a pager. Then AT&T bought them and laid me off.
I was so sick of cell phones by that point that I just decided to shut them down and never look back. That was ten years ago, and I have just never felt the urge to get another cell phone. I don't miss it still, and the few times that I need one, my wife has one I can use really quick.
It can't until Apple decides to put real buttons on its devices, gamepad style. It depends entirely on this.
So no good touchscreen-only DS games exist?
EDIT: Sorry, I'm not normally this snarky. It's just that I see a ton of potential in how iPhone gaming has developed over the past year, and I get frustrated when people dismiss it as a nongaming device. It's very akin to, say, how Wii owners feel when people say its control scheme eliminates any possibility of good games.
Actually I make that statement partly based on a comment you once made, about how you thought you'd like a game more on the DS or PC than iPhone for this reason. Might've been Dark Void Zero...
I don't want an iphone, as I still refuse to own a cellphone...
Not even for emergencies?
My wife has a cellphone for emergencies, I just don't care to have one.
Backround: I use to work for Cellular One for quite a long time as a technician. I was on call to both customers and employees. I was forced to carry two seperate cell phones and a pager. Then AT&T bought them and laid me off.
I was so sick of cell phones by that point that I just decided to shut them down and never look back. That was ten years ago, and I have just never felt the urge to get another cell phone. I don't miss it still, and the few times that I need one, my wife has one I can use really quick.
I just don't want one for myself.
Ah, history. I can understand. Still, the new smartphones can be handy. And it's a cheaper and more portable way to do all the stuff iPads can do.
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I have a thing against a device as expensive as that, yet so locked down. It's powerful enough to run a real OS and give users all the control of a PC (or Mac). They just won't let you.
There are other tablet PCs that are less expensive and give you all the same options a desktop has.
By the way, I don't have a cell phone either except my work one. My main objection is pricing, but I also don't like being able to be interrupted at whatever I'm doing constantly.
By the way, I don't have a cell phone either except my work one. My main objection is pricing, but I also don't like being able to be interrupted at whatever I'm doing constantly.
Never understood this. Not the "not-being interrupted part." Just the idea that it does interrupt you. I just don't answer if I don't want to.
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It can't until Apple decides to put real buttons on its devices, gamepad style. It depends entirely on this.
So no good touchscreen-only DS games exist?
EDIT: Sorry, I'm not normally this snarky. It's just that I see a ton of potential in how iPhone gaming has developed over the past year, and I get frustrated when people dismiss it as a nongaming device. It's very akin to, say, how Wii owners feel when people say its control scheme eliminates any possibility of good games.
Actually I make that statement partly based on a comment you once made, about how you thought you'd like a game more on the DS or PC than iPhone for this reason. Might've been Dark Void Zero...
Oh yeah, anything with a virtual D-pad is generally much better suited for a thing with actual button things. I'll never contest that. :P It's just that the iPhone's best games are the ones that don't just transplant the older kinds of games onto the newer interface: they're the games that really flex multitouch surfaces, or ones that blend tilt control and onscreen taps, etc. It's similar to how people often say that platformers can't work on the Wii because you don't have a second analog stick; no, they can work just fine, you just need to adapt your design to fit the hardware, instead of trying to take the old paradigm and shove it into the new technology.
The virtual D-pad, at its worst, reminds me of Wii games that try to take digital inputs and map them to a Wiimote shake, like jumping. There's nothing intrinsically "bad" about the hardware, it's just that the designer needs to reconsider how he or she designs for it.
My problem with the iPhone touchscreen is less the touchscreen itself (although I think the lack of buttons is a limitation, it's not a crippling limitation) than the fact that I have to use my fingers to do it.
I... I just don't like using my fingers for that.
They do have capacitive stylii, just for people with your kind of hangup, if it's a "fingers in the way of my view" kind of thing.
Whatever happens, I know I'm not buying one of their special guitars. Perhaps as Endaro suggests, the Pro Mode can be used as a kind of auto-tablature program (for supported songs, of course). But fuck if I'll spend another triple digits on a new guitar peripheral. I'm only willing to spend so much for the IONs just to have the general stability over the default drums.
I'd rather not learn at all than spend more money on another guitar.
Thats my rationale for not getting a RB strat in the first place, kinda missing out on the solo sections, but I just can't justify another plastic guitar. Some setup (like a controller dongle that connects to the output) that would let me hook up one of my real guitars would be gravy, especially given how I go through strings.
Well, I'd say you probably should get an RB2 guitar (Strat or B:RB model) because they are better focused for RB. But as long as what you have works for you, then you're not really missing out much on the lack of solo frets. Shifting your hand to use them during solos without breaking combo is a generally worthless exercise. And the only thing you're really missing is the ability to spaz out during the BRE without strumming and the auto-calibration.
When the Mad Catz RB3 gear comes out, it'll probably be a bit cheaper. So you might want to consider that. But yeah, if you've got something that already works, no real reason to switch.
I don't currently own a cellphone and I'm not interested in having one that does all this crazy non-phone side shit. But I know that these days, you can't have one without the other. I just don't own one because I don't currently need one.
Braniac is just crazy. Crazy enough to start chucking bombs at cell towers.
I don't currently own a cellphone and I'm not interested in having one that does all this crazy non-phone side shit. But I know that these days, you can't have one without the other.
See, I look at it the other way. I own an awesome device that does all kind of crazy stuff, which just so happens to also make the occasional phone call.
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Yeah, I don't think you should slag smartphones just for having "side shit." My iPhone is an insanely handy mini-computer that I'd probably own even if it didn't make phone calls. Why does making it a phone too suddenly make it ridiculous?
Yeah, I don't think you should slag smartphones just for having "side shit." My iPhone is an insanely handy mini-computer that I'd probably own even if it didn't make phone calls. Why does making it a phone too suddenly make it ridiculous?
Because I already have items that do all that other shit. I personally don't need a all-in-one device. I can see the appeal, but it doesn't appeal to me. So I'm not slagging on them, I just don't care about whatever else it can do since I'd never use it.
It's like telling me how awesome the PS2 was because it had a DVD player. Or the cup holder craze in cars or whatever other side feature was used as a massive bullet point. In this case, I just want the phone. Does it dial out? Does it recieve? Sold!
Yeah, I don't think you should slag smartphones just for having "side shit." My iPhone is an insanely handy mini-computer that I'd probably own even if it didn't make phone calls. Why does making it a phone too suddenly make it ridiculous?
Because I already have items that do all that other shit. I personally don't need a all-in-one device. I can see the appeal, but it doesn't appeal to me. So I'm not slagging on them, I just don't care about whatever else it can do since I'd never use it.
It's like telling me how awesome the PS2 was because it had a DVD player. Or the cup holder craze in cars or whatever other side feature was used as a massive bullet point. In this case, I just want the phone. Does it dial out? Does it recieve? Sold!
Actually those things you mentioned are indeed awesome. In fact part of the reason the PS2 sold really well was because it was one of the first affordable DVD players on the market and opened the format up to the masses even more.
Just curious, what kind of pocket computer do you use?
The iPhone is pretty cool for letting you have a bunch of little apps and a web browser added to something one would normally carry around. A laptop or desktop does all the non-phone stuff better, but it's bigger and doesn't fit in a pocket. For games a DS or PSP is better, but they're something additional to carry around.
I just got an iPad (well, my company got me an iPad for some unknown work purpose) and I don't really get it. Now you lose the form factor, it's an extra thing to carry, and laptops/desktops do everything better. It would be a sweet form factor for a computer, but it's just a big iPhone without the phone.
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I don't currently own a cellphone and I'm not interested in having one that does all this crazy non-phone side shit. But I know that these days, you can't have one without the other.
TracFone. Does nothing special at all, you buy individual minutes and they don't expire (or maybe it was one year). Great to have one for emergencies.
Yeah, I don't think you should slag smartphones just for having "side shit." My iPhone is an insanely handy mini-computer that I'd probably own even if it didn't make phone calls. Why does making it a phone too suddenly make it ridiculous?
Because I already have items that do all that other shit. I personally don't need a all-in-one device. I can see the appeal, but it doesn't appeal to me. So I'm not slagging on them, I just don't care about whatever else it can do since I'd never use it.
It's like telling me how awesome the PS2 was because it had a DVD player. Or the cup holder craze in cars or whatever other side feature was used as a massive bullet point. In this case, I just want the phone. Does it dial out? Does it recieve? Sold!
Actually those things you mentioned are indeed awesome. In fact part of the reason the PS2 sold really well was because it was one of the first affordable DVD players on the market and opened the format up to the masses even more.
Just curious, what kind of pocket computer do you use?
What kind of pocket computer do I need. I have this here PC. And then, when I'm done, I walk away. An item being useful doesn't make an item necessary.
The iPhone is pretty cool for letting you have a bunch of little apps and a web browser added to something one would normally carry around. A laptop or desktop does all the non-phone stuff better, but it's bigger and doesn't fit in a pocket. For games a DS or PSP is better, but they're something additional to carry around.
I just got an iPad (well, my company got me an iPad for some unknown work purpose) and I don't really get it. Now you lose the form factor, it's an extra thing to carry, and laptops/desktops do everything better. It would be a sweet form factor for a computer, but it's just a big iPhone without the phone.
It's the apps. The potential for new applications and new ways of interacting with them, which you couldn't do on the iPhone's smaller screen.
I also don't see the iPad as a computer to be carried around. If I had a family, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. The iPad would be the "family" computer. It's a public device that gets passed around and used by all family members. Great for light browsing, email, and looking at photos, which is what most people want to do. Dad would still keep his laptop, and it would be "his" computer, off-limits to everyone else.
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Yeah, I don't think you should slag smartphones just for having "side shit." My iPhone is an insanely handy mini-computer that I'd probably own even if it didn't make phone calls. Why does making it a phone too suddenly make it ridiculous?
Because I already have items that do all that other shit. I personally don't need a all-in-one device. I can see the appeal, but it doesn't appeal to me. So I'm not slagging on them, I just don't care about whatever else it can do since I'd never use it.
It's like telling me how awesome the PS2 was because it had a DVD player. Or the cup holder craze in cars or whatever other side feature was used as a massive bullet point. In this case, I just want the phone. Does it dial out? Does it recieve? Sold!
Actually those things you mentioned are indeed awesome. In fact part of the reason the PS2 sold really well was because it was one of the first affordable DVD players on the market and opened the format up to the masses even more.
Just curious, what kind of pocket computer do you use?
What kind of pocket computer do I need. I have this here PC. And then, when I'm done, I walk away. An item being useful doesn't make an item necessary.
But I've got a phone in my house. Why the hell do I need a cellphone? It does the same damn thing.
Honestly, it's very handy to have computer functionality on the go. I can check my e-mail any time I'd like, look up the name and address (and map) of a new restaurant I want to find, settle arguments via Wikipedia, jot down notes so I remember ideas later, read the latest news, check my bank account, figure out what the hell that song I'm hearing is (there's an awesome service called Shazam that listens to five seconds of a song and tells you exactly what it is with amazing accuracy), comparison shop to make sure I'm getting the best deal on something in the store, translate material from one language to another, find the latest currency rates, listen to streaming music, read a book, play games or, if I'm feeling really wacky, make a phone call.
The ability to do all of that any time without having to be around your main computer sounds interesting?
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What kind of pocket computer do I need. I have this here PC. And then, when I'm done, I walk away. An item being useful doesn't make an item necessary.
I have nothing against smartphones, or the games made for them, but I too prefer to play my games on a PSP or a DS when I'm on the go, the same as I prefer to play a game on a PC or console (as opposed to a hand held) when I'm at home. Interface and being comfortable while playing is important to me.
I don't know if I'm in the minority, but is really pisses me off when I have to use the DS touchscreen or mic for things that could easily have been mapped to a button. I'm all for motion control or touchscreens when its intuitive and makes sense, but I hate when it feels like it was added "just because we can".
It's the useless items like the lightsaber and gun apps make the iPhone more necessary.
Don't forget fart apps. Or sex position apps. Or 6000 twitter reader clones.
There are literally HUNDREDS of iPhone fart apps. I think one maker of a fart app sued another maker of a fart app.
There's loads of useful stuff too, but man, anyone who complains about shovelware for the Wii hasn't spent any time with the absolute tsunami of shit in the app store.
It's the useless items like the lightsaber and gun apps make the iPhone more necessary.
Don't forget fart apps. Or sex position apps. Or 6000 twitter reader clones.
There are literally HUNDREDS of iPhone fart apps. I think one maker of a fart app sued another maker of a fart app.
There's loads of useful stuff too, but man, anyone who complains about shovelware for the Wii hasn't spent any time with the absolute tsunami of shit in the app store.
I wonder what the ratio is, though. How many total Wii games are there?
There are over 200,000 iPhone applications.
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But I've got a phone in my house. Why the hell do I need a cellphone? It does the same damn thing.
Honestly, it's very handy to have computer functionality on the go. I can check my e-mail any time I'd like, look up the name and address (and map) of a new restaurant I want to find, settle arguments via Wikipedia, jot down notes so I remember ideas later, read the latest news, check my bank account, figure out what the hell that song I'm hearing is (there's an awesome service called Shazam that listens to five seconds of a song and tells you exactly what it is with amazing accuracy), comparison shop to make sure I'm getting the best deal on something in the store, translate material from one language to another, find the latest currency rates, listen to streaming music, read a book, play games or, if I'm feeling really wacky, make a phone call.
The ability to do all of that any time without having to be around your main computer sounds interesting?
I don't mean as being rude, but it sure as hell comes off that way. So I appologise in advance.
But:
Blah, blah, blah.
My life is not that complicated. The reason I'd want a cellphone is for that emergency call. The ability to make a phone call when not in my house. That's useful. All that other shit? Well, sure. That can be useful too. But I don't need that kind of connectivity. You cannot sell me on this. Ever.
All of that stuff? I can do right now without the magic of an all-in-one cellphone. Need directions? Get them before leaving the house. Need them after leaving the house? Then give me good directions. Give me bad directions? Fuck you, if I'm late or don't show up...
Read a book? You mean those paper filled things I've got all over my house? Already portable and easy to use and I don't need a charged phone to access them. Settle and argument? Via Wiki? If an argument is that important, it can wait a day whilst I find a source that isn't fraught with self-edit controversy. Any kind of argument where I needed that kind of immediate 'proof' is an argument I won't continue to have.
Read the latest news? Again, I have a PC. I can turn on the radio. If I could actually watch broadcast TV, I'd have that too. 'But what if I need to know now?' What fucking news do I need now. What story am I following so closely that I can't wait for an update at a later time? Nothing I do now will change what's happening, even if it's happening to me (and at that point, I've got bigger things to worry about...), so everything I already know will suffice until later. And besides, everybody else already has this access. I can ask one of them... Without having to pay a monthly bill, too.
What song am I listening to? Hey, most stations have an online playlist on their website which I can access whenever I care to. What if they don't? I can call them and ask. What if I can't? I can deal with not knowing and hope it appears later. Besides, in my car, the radio already has that function where if the radio broadcasts that info, then I can read it when I have a safe moment.
Comparison shop? Again, I'd do that before leaving the fucking house. I don't need a minute by minute update to save five bucks on anything. If I'm buying it locally and not online, then I just chalk up any extra cost as a 'convenience fee' for not having to wait for shipping.
Listen to music? I already have an iPod. Play games? I have a DS. Translate stuff? ...why? Currency raties? What am I, a fucking arbitrage worker? I'd already be connected to that data! Jot down notes? Pen and paper. No pen and paper? Well, I'm lucky enough to have a good memory. Can't remember? Not important.
You simply cannot sell me on all the side shit a cellphone can do because I'm already fine with how I deal with things. I understand people like that stuff and I'm not denigrating it for existing. But I don't care for it. It's not anything that would make me buy one phone over another (Except for the iPhone. The last thing I need is a shiny, black device with my greasy fingerprints all over it. If I wanted that, I'd buy a PSP.)
I am not a neo-Luddite. My life simply isn't that complicated that a single device will answer my needs. I'm fine with being disconnected occasionally. I'm fine with the possibility of carrying around more than one thing to accomplish anything. Again, an item being useful does not make that item necessary.
It's the useless items like the lightsaber and gun apps make the iPhone more necessary.
Don't forget fart apps. Or sex position apps. Or 6000 twitter reader clones.
There are literally HUNDREDS of iPhone fart apps. I think one maker of a fart app sued another maker of a fart app.
There's loads of useful stuff too, but man, anyone who complains about shovelware for the Wii hasn't spent any time with the absolute tsunami of shit in the app store.
Yeah but I wouldn't call these apps "shovelware." That term is far too kind. They're just shit apps. Literally, like poop. From a butt.
It's a pretty steep curve that trends down, the quality of apps for Apple's devices. For every one truly great game that uses the device well, presents well, and plays great there's 60 or 70 games easy that don't measure up. At all. And the really messed up part that I don't get at all is that writing in objective C isn't exactly easy. How they managed to make anything is beyond me.
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It's the useless items like the lightsaber and gun apps make the iPhone more necessary.
Don't forget fart apps. Or sex position apps. Or 6000 twitter reader clones.
There are literally HUNDREDS of iPhone fart apps. I think one maker of a fart app sued another maker of a fart app.
There's loads of useful stuff too, but man, anyone who complains about shovelware for the Wii hasn't spent any time with the absolute tsunami of shit in the app store.
Yeah but I wouldn't call these apps "shovelware." That term is far too kind. They're just shit apps. Literally, like poop. From a butt.
It's a pretty steep curve that trends down, the quality of apps for Apple's devices. For every one truly great game that uses the device well, presents well, and plays great there's 60 or 70 games easy that don't measure up. At all. And the really messed up part that I don't get at all is that writing in objective C isn't exactly easy. How they managed to make anything is beyond me.
Maybe they hire programmers to do it for them?
And in turn these programmers cry themselves to sleep like a used prostitute after realising what they have wrought.
iOS is certainly competing with traditional hand-held gaming systems. However the hand-held space seems to be continually expanding. Nintendo's percentage of the hand-held space might go down from year to year but actual sales? They are still pretty high. iOS also has the disadvantage that it has to be marketed as a whole bunch of other things. I don't think I have ever felt the gaming aspects of the iPhone or iPad being heavily marketed towards me. I think the closest was the iPad announcement were some time was spent stressing it's graphical capabilities.
I think everyone will easily find themselves a lucrative space in hand-held gaming.
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Wow...Santa Unleashed, and no Werehogs involved. :P
I see his points, they're all valid. But I love my iPhone and the connectivity it provides. The only thing that I don't get, and will never get is: texting. Like, I get it... but I didn't get a phone to send a message to someone, I got a phone to fucking call people. I fucking hate texting. I hate everything about it. It's fucking pointless.
I honestly feel it comes down to people not actually wanting to talk to each other. Which is why I say why pay extra per text/texting plans, wait till you get home and email/facebook/twitter/myspace someone.
It's the useless items like the lightsaber and gun apps make the iPhone more necessary.
Don't forget fart apps. Or sex position apps. Or 6000 twitter reader clones.
There are literally HUNDREDS of iPhone fart apps. I think one maker of a fart app sued another maker of a fart app.
There's loads of useful stuff too, but man, anyone who complains about shovelware for the Wii hasn't spent any time with the absolute tsunami of shit in the app store.
Yeah but I wouldn't call these apps "shovelware." That term is far too kind. They're just shit apps. Literally, like poop. From a butt.
It's a pretty steep curve that trends down, the quality of apps for Apple's devices. For every one truly great game that uses the device well, presents well, and plays great there's 60 or 70 games easy that don't measure up. At all. And the really messed up part that I don't get at all is that writing in objective C isn't exactly easy. How they managed to make anything is beyond me.
Maybe they hire programmers to do it for them?
And in turn these programmers cry themselves to sleep like a used prostitute after realising what they have wrought.
Actually there ARE companies that advertise that if you have an idea for an app they will create it for you...(for a cut of the profits/a fee, of course).
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Seriously, I can't imagine not having one for road trips now. I'm hearing impaired and my iPhone is my vital communication link to the world.
...uh..and how 'bout those video games? Sure are selling!
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My wife has a cellphone for emergencies, I just don't care to have one.
Backround: I use to work for Cellular One for quite a long time as a technician. I was on call to both customers and employees. I was forced to carry two seperate cell phones and a pager. Then AT&T bought them and laid me off.
I was so sick of cell phones by that point that I just decided to shut them down and never look back. That was ten years ago, and I have just never felt the urge to get another cell phone. I don't miss it still, and the few times that I need one, my wife has one I can use really quick.
I just don't want one for myself.
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Actually I make that statement partly based on a comment you once made, about how you thought you'd like a game more on the DS or PC than iPhone for this reason.
Ah, history. I can understand. Still, the new smartphones can be handy. And it's a cheaper and more portable way to do all the stuff iPads can do.
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Since my iPhone covers nearly everything iPads can do, I personally don't need to get the bigger one.
Then again, you can also use the analogy that smaller TVs can do everything bigger TVs can, but we all know why bigger TVs are more awesome.
I have a thing against a device as expensive as that, yet so locked down. It's powerful enough to run a real OS and give users all the control of a PC (or Mac). They just won't let you.
There are other tablet PCs that are less expensive and give you all the same options a desktop has.
By the way, I don't have a cell phone either except my work one. My main objection is pricing, but I also don't like being able to be interrupted at whatever I'm doing constantly.
Never understood this. Not the "not-being interrupted part." Just the idea that it does interrupt you. I just don't answer if I don't want to.
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Oh yeah, anything with a virtual D-pad is generally much better suited for a thing with actual button things. I'll never contest that. :P It's just that the iPhone's best games are the ones that don't just transplant the older kinds of games onto the newer interface: they're the games that really flex multitouch surfaces, or ones that blend tilt control and onscreen taps, etc. It's similar to how people often say that platformers can't work on the Wii because you don't have a second analog stick; no, they can work just fine, you just need to adapt your design to fit the hardware, instead of trying to take the old paradigm and shove it into the new technology.
The virtual D-pad, at its worst, reminds me of Wii games that try to take digital inputs and map them to a Wiimote shake, like jumping. There's nothing intrinsically "bad" about the hardware, it's just that the designer needs to reconsider how he or she designs for it.
They do have capacitive stylii, just for people with your kind of hangup, if it's a "fingers in the way of my view" kind of thing.
Well, I'd say you probably should get an RB2 guitar (Strat or B:RB model) because they are better focused for RB. But as long as what you have works for you, then you're not really missing out much on the lack of solo frets. Shifting your hand to use them during solos without breaking combo is a generally worthless exercise. And the only thing you're really missing is the ability to spaz out during the BRE without strumming and the auto-calibration.
When the Mad Catz RB3 gear comes out, it'll probably be a bit cheaper. So you might want to consider that. But yeah, if you've got something that already works, no real reason to switch.
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I didn't know people like this still existed
As for iPhone gaming, a coworker bought Need for Speed: Shift and let me try it out. It was actually pretty decent! I was surprised.
Braniac is just crazy. Crazy enough to start chucking bombs at cell towers.
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See, I look at it the other way. I own an awesome device that does all kind of crazy stuff, which just so happens to also make the occasional phone call.
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Nothing but text, really
I can't remember the last phone call I made that wasn't for pizza
Because I already have items that do all that other shit. I personally don't need a all-in-one device. I can see the appeal, but it doesn't appeal to me. So I'm not slagging on them, I just don't care about whatever else it can do since I'd never use it.
It's like telling me how awesome the PS2 was because it had a DVD player. Or the cup holder craze in cars or whatever other side feature was used as a massive bullet point. In this case, I just want the phone. Does it dial out? Does it recieve? Sold!
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Where else are you gonna put your drink?
Actually those things you mentioned are indeed awesome. In fact part of the reason the PS2 sold really well was because it was one of the first affordable DVD players on the market and opened the format up to the masses even more.
Just curious, what kind of pocket computer do you use?
I just got an iPad (well, my company got me an iPad for some unknown work purpose) and I don't really get it. Now you lose the form factor, it's an extra thing to carry, and laptops/desktops do everything better. It would be a sweet form factor for a computer, but it's just a big iPhone without the phone.
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TracFone. Does nothing special at all, you buy individual minutes and they don't expire (or maybe it was one year). Great to have one for emergencies.
What kind of pocket computer do I need. I have this here PC. And then, when I'm done, I walk away. An item being useful doesn't make an item necessary.
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It's the apps. The potential for new applications and new ways of interacting with them, which you couldn't do on the iPhone's smaller screen.
I also don't see the iPad as a computer to be carried around. If I had a family, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. The iPad would be the "family" computer. It's a public device that gets passed around and used by all family members. Great for light browsing, email, and looking at photos, which is what most people want to do. Dad would still keep his laptop, and it would be "his" computer, off-limits to everyone else.
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But I've got a phone in my house. Why the hell do I need a cellphone? It does the same damn thing.
Honestly, it's very handy to have computer functionality on the go. I can check my e-mail any time I'd like, look up the name and address (and map) of a new restaurant I want to find, settle arguments via Wikipedia, jot down notes so I remember ideas later, read the latest news, check my bank account, figure out what the hell that song I'm hearing is (there's an awesome service called Shazam that listens to five seconds of a song and tells you exactly what it is with amazing accuracy), comparison shop to make sure I'm getting the best deal on something in the store, translate material from one language to another, find the latest currency rates, listen to streaming music, read a book, play games or, if I'm feeling really wacky, make a phone call.
The ability to do all of that any time without having to be around your main computer sounds interesting?
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I don't know if I'm in the minority, but is really pisses me off when I have to use the DS touchscreen or mic for things that could easily have been mapped to a button. I'm all for motion control or touchscreens when its intuitive and makes sense, but I hate when it feels like it was added "just because we can".
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Don't forget fart apps. Or sex position apps. Or 6000 twitter reader clones.
There are literally HUNDREDS of iPhone fart apps. I think one maker of a fart app sued another maker of a fart app.
There's loads of useful stuff too, but man, anyone who complains about shovelware for the Wii hasn't spent any time with the absolute tsunami of shit in the app store.
I wonder what the ratio is, though. How many total Wii games are there?
There are over 200,000 iPhone applications.
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I don't mean as being rude, but it sure as hell comes off that way. So I appologise in advance.
But:
Blah, blah, blah.
My life is not that complicated. The reason I'd want a cellphone is for that emergency call. The ability to make a phone call when not in my house. That's useful. All that other shit? Well, sure. That can be useful too. But I don't need that kind of connectivity. You cannot sell me on this. Ever.
Read a book? You mean those paper filled things I've got all over my house? Already portable and easy to use and I don't need a charged phone to access them. Settle and argument? Via Wiki? If an argument is that important, it can wait a day whilst I find a source that isn't fraught with self-edit controversy. Any kind of argument where I needed that kind of immediate 'proof' is an argument I won't continue to have.
Read the latest news? Again, I have a PC. I can turn on the radio. If I could actually watch broadcast TV, I'd have that too. 'But what if I need to know now?' What fucking news do I need now. What story am I following so closely that I can't wait for an update at a later time? Nothing I do now will change what's happening, even if it's happening to me (and at that point, I've got bigger things to worry about...), so everything I already know will suffice until later. And besides, everybody else already has this access. I can ask one of them... Without having to pay a monthly bill, too.
What song am I listening to? Hey, most stations have an online playlist on their website which I can access whenever I care to. What if they don't? I can call them and ask. What if I can't? I can deal with not knowing and hope it appears later. Besides, in my car, the radio already has that function where if the radio broadcasts that info, then I can read it when I have a safe moment.
Comparison shop? Again, I'd do that before leaving the fucking house. I don't need a minute by minute update to save five bucks on anything. If I'm buying it locally and not online, then I just chalk up any extra cost as a 'convenience fee' for not having to wait for shipping.
Listen to music? I already have an iPod. Play games? I have a DS. Translate stuff? ...why? Currency raties? What am I, a fucking arbitrage worker? I'd already be connected to that data! Jot down notes? Pen and paper. No pen and paper? Well, I'm lucky enough to have a good memory. Can't remember? Not important.
You simply cannot sell me on all the side shit a cellphone can do because I'm already fine with how I deal with things. I understand people like that stuff and I'm not denigrating it for existing. But I don't care for it. It's not anything that would make me buy one phone over another (Except for the iPhone. The last thing I need is a shiny, black device with my greasy fingerprints all over it. If I wanted that, I'd buy a PSP.)
I am not a neo-Luddite. My life simply isn't that complicated that a single device will answer my needs. I'm fine with being disconnected occasionally. I'm fine with the possibility of carrying around more than one thing to accomplish anything. Again, an item being useful does not make that item necessary.
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Yeah but I wouldn't call these apps "shovelware." That term is far too kind. They're just shit apps. Literally, like poop. From a butt.
It's a pretty steep curve that trends down, the quality of apps for Apple's devices. For every one truly great game that uses the device well, presents well, and plays great there's 60 or 70 games easy that don't measure up. At all. And the really messed up part that I don't get at all is that writing in objective C isn't exactly easy. How they managed to make anything is beyond me.
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Maybe they hire programmers to do it for them?
And in turn these programmers cry themselves to sleep like a used prostitute after realising what they have wrought.
I think everyone will easily find themselves a lucrative space in hand-held gaming.
I see his points, they're all valid. But I love my iPhone and the connectivity it provides. The only thing that I don't get, and will never get is: texting. Like, I get it... but I didn't get a phone to send a message to someone, I got a phone to fucking call people. I fucking hate texting. I hate everything about it. It's fucking pointless.
I honestly feel it comes down to people not actually wanting to talk to each other. Which is why I say why pay extra per text/texting plans, wait till you get home and email/facebook/twitter/myspace someone.
Actually there ARE companies that advertise that if you have an idea for an app they will create it for you...(for a cut of the profits/a fee, of course).
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