DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited June 2010
I do want to get an iPhone one day, just because I like the novelty of having a pocket-size portable computer.
That being said at the moment I'm a poor college student and can't really rationalize adding another 20-30 dollars to my phone bill for something I'll rarely use(when I'm out of the house I tend to be very busy, giving me little free time for all the portable do-daads).
Though, seeing as all my friends who have iPhones only ever use them to play games, watch youtube videos, and check their facebooks, I don't think I'm missing much.
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Though, seeing as all my friends who have iPhones over ever use them to play games, watch youtube videos, and check their facebooks. I don't think I'm missing much.
And uh... what were you hoping to do different?
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited June 2010
Nothing. That's why I really don't need it at the moment.
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Wow...Santa Unleashed, and no Werehogs involved. :P
I see his points, they're all valid. But I love my iPhone and the connectivity it provides. The only thing that I don't get, and will never get is: texting. Like, I get it... but I didn't get a phone to send a message to someone, I got a phone to fucking call people. I fucking hate texting. I hate everything about it. It's fucking pointless.
I honestly feel it comes down to people not actually wanting to talk to each other. Which is why I say why pay extra per text/texting plans, wait till you get home and email/facebook/twitter/myspace someone.
No no, I agree with all his points actually, and as a guy who hates how having a cellphone has become a status symbol rather than a tool to most kids out there, I also have a loathing for text messages and for any type of text speak in general.
In fact one of the things I hate most are people (kids usually) who joins forums like this and feel the need to speak in 'text' rather than regular english. BAH! :x
Wow...Santa Unleashed, and no Werehogs involved. :P
I see his points, they're all valid. But I love my iPhone and the connectivity it provides. The only thing that I don't get, and will never get is: texting. Like, I get it... but I didn't get a phone to send a message to someone, I got a phone to fucking call people. I fucking hate texting. I hate everything about it. It's fucking pointless.
I honestly feel it comes down to people not actually wanting to talk to each other. Which is why I say why pay extra per text/texting plans, wait till you get home and email/facebook/twitter/myspace someone.
Texting is a Godsend for me. I'm hearing impaired. I don't do well on the phone at ALL. texting is how I communicate with people, and quite frankly I get agitated when I need to talk to someone that doesn't have it.
Plus, texting is great for short snippets of conversation, such as "I'm running late, be there in 10." Do you really need to call...wait for the phone to ring...wait for the person to pick up, tell them you're late, partake in the obligatory but useless small talk, and then hang up?" No need for all that.
I think both have their place.
Edit: However I HATE "txt" speak. You have a full keyboard on your iPhone. Please spell out whole words.
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Wow...Santa Unleashed, and no Werehogs involved. :P
I see his points, they're all valid. But I love my iPhone and the connectivity it provides. The only thing that I don't get, and will never get is: texting. Like, I get it... but I didn't get a phone to send a message to someone, I got a phone to fucking call people. I fucking hate texting. I hate everything about it. It's fucking pointless.
I honestly feel it comes down to people not actually wanting to talk to each other. Which is why I say why pay extra per text/texting plans, wait till you get home and email/facebook/twitter/myspace someone.
I really don't have anything against people for wanting that connectivity. I mean really, I just want it for a phone. And it does that. Others want it for that other stuff? Good for them. It just rankles me that (and through advertising and peer pressure, too) I'm expected to find all that functionality so useful that I couldn't live my life without it. Except that I already do. It's like trying to fill a need that doesn't exist until you start filling that need.
'The first one's free, kid.'
And I'm with you on the texting. Seriously, most people already have that answer service as part of their plan. You have a phone in your hand...so you send an e-mail. If it'd be rude to answer the phone, it's still rude to read and reply to a text.
I'm thinking about a comedy bit I'd heard a while back (paraphrasing): We send pictures and e-mails through our phones like it was a miracle of communication. We have phones. We can talk now! What's the next generation of phones going to feature? Smoke signals?
But I've got a phone in my house. Why the hell do I need a cellphone? It does the same damn thing.
Honestly, it's very handy to have computer functionality on the go. I can check my e-mail any time I'd like, look up the name and address (and map) of a new restaurant I want to find, settle arguments via Wikipedia, jot down notes so I remember ideas later, read the latest news, check my bank account, figure out what the hell that song I'm hearing is (there's an awesome service called Shazam that listens to five seconds of a song and tells you exactly what it is with amazing accuracy), comparison shop to make sure I'm getting the best deal on something in the store, translate material from one language to another, find the latest currency rates, listen to streaming music, read a book, play games or, if I'm feeling really wacky, make a phone call.
The ability to do all of that any time without having to be around your main computer sounds interesting?
I don't mean as being rude, but it sure as hell comes off that way. So I appologise in advance.
But:
Blah, blah, blah.
My life is not that complicated. The reason I'd want a cellphone is for that emergency call. The ability to make a phone call when not in my house. That's useful. All that other shit? Well, sure. That can be useful too. But I don't need that kind of connectivity. You cannot sell me on this. Ever.
I realize that convincing you on this will be about as easy as convincing you that Mass Effect 2 was in fact better written than the Guy Game, but I feel compelled to point out:
All of that stuff? I can do right now without the magic of an all-in-one cellphone. Need directions? Get them before leaving the house. Need them after leaving the house? Then give me good directions. Give me bad directions? Fuck you, if I'm late or don't show up...
But if you forget or YOU mess up the directions, you're boned. And what if you need the directions to something important you can't blow off? Or a friend honestly made a mistake?
Read a book? You mean those paper filled things I've got all over my house? Already portable and easy to use and I don't need a charged phone to access them.
Books are surprisingly hard to put in your pocket when space is at a premium.
Settle and argument? Via Wiki? If an argument is that important, it can wait a day whilst I find a source that isn't fraught with self-edit controversy. Any kind of argument where I needed that kind of immediate 'proof' is an argument I won't continue to have.
You? Bow out of an argument? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Then again, the case could be made that you tend to believe facts are optional... :P
Read the latest news? Again, I have a PC. I can turn on the radio. If I could actually watch broadcast TV, I'd have that too. 'But what if I need to know now?' What fucking news do I need now. What story am I following so closely that I can't wait for an update at a later time? Nothing I do now will change what's happening, even if it's happening to me (and at that point, I've got bigger things to worry about...), so everything I already know will suffice until later. And besides, everybody else already has this access. I can ask one of them... Without having to pay a monthly bill, too.
Ah yes, "who needs the news." Those pesky facts really do get in the way, huh?
What song am I listening to? Hey, most stations have an online playlist on their website which I can access whenever I care to. What if they don't? I can call them and ask. What if I can't? I can deal with not knowing and hope it appears later. Besides, in my car, the radio already has that function where if the radio broadcasts that info, then I can read it when I have a safe moment.
But most radio stations are horrible and don't actually tell you what's playing anymore. Besides, what if you hear the song in a restaurant or an office building? My wife and I were eating Indian food one time when we heard this absolutely hilarious thing that sounded like the Hindu version of Alvin and the Chipmunks. The servers didn't know either, so if I didn't have Shazam, that song would have forever been a mystery. (Turns out the song was from a Bollywood movie where a mother despairs in thinking that his son is gay.)
Comparison shop? Again, I'd do that before leaving the fucking house. I don't need a minute by minute update to save five bucks on anything. If I'm buying it locally and not online, then I just chalk up any extra cost as a 'convenience fee' for not having to wait for shipping.
But what if you run into something you didn't expect? How can you truly tell that the game that's on clearance is actually on sale for a better price.
Listen to music? I already have an iPod.
Man, why did you buy that? You've already got a stereo at home and a radio player in the car.
Play games? I have a DS.
And you've already got game systems at home. Man, you buy a lot of frivolous stuff.
Translate stuff? ...why? Currency raties? What am I, a fucking arbitrage worker? I'd already be connected to that data! Jot down notes? Pen and paper. No pen and paper? Well, I'm lucky enough to have a good memory. Can't remember? Not important.
Well, you have been known to say that if you don't think it's important, then it's not important to anyone...
You simply cannot sell me on all the side shit a cellphone can do because I'm already fine with how I deal with things.
Aside from the fact that you bought a DS and iPod you don't need (as you put it).
I am not a neo-Luddite. My life simply isn't that complicated that a single device will answer my needs. I'm fine with being disconnected occasionally. I'm fine with the possibility of carrying around more than one thing to accomplish anything. Again, an item being useful does not make that item necessary.
Yet somehow you don't understand that having the ability to do something is very handy, and can actually help in surprising ways.
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Wow...Santa Unleashed, and no Werehogs involved. :P
I see his points, they're all valid. But I love my iPhone and the connectivity it provides. The only thing that I don't get, and will never get is: texting. Like, I get it... but I didn't get a phone to send a message to someone, I got a phone to fucking call people. I fucking hate texting. I hate everything about it. It's fucking pointless.
I honestly feel it comes down to people not actually wanting to talk to each other. Which is why I say why pay extra per text/texting plans, wait till you get home and email/facebook/twitter/myspace someone.
Texting is a Godsend for me. I'm hearing impaired. I don't do well on the phone at ALL. texting is how I communicate with people, and quite frankly I get agitated when I need to talk to someone that doesn't have it.
Plus, texting is great for short snippets of conversation, such as "I'm running late, be there in 10." Do you really need to call...wait for the phone to ring...wait for the person to pick up, tell them you're late, partake in the obligatory but useless small talk, and then hang up?" No need for all that.
I think both have their place.
Edit: However I HATE "txt" speak. You have a full keyboard on your iPhone. Please spell out whole words.
See, I'd consider you the exception, not the rule here. In fact, you have a dedicated "texting" service with TTY. But I get why you'd prefer texting. Hell I think hearing impared people should get free texting.
It's just phone companies make millions of texting where a simple 3 or 4 minutes conversation would suffice.
I also hate that texting is a verb. And so does Firefox, which put a million red squiggly lines in this post.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited June 2010
Truth be told. I prefer texting to talking because.
1. I hate talking over phones.
2. I'm a very to the point person and don't believe in saying more than is necessary. My friends and family tend to be jabber-jaws.
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You simply cannot sell me on all the side shit a cellphone can do because I'm already fine with how I deal with things.
Aside from the fact that you bought a DS and iPod you don't need (as you put it).
There's a pretty signficant difference in price, which is kind of a factor (not to mention being limited to AT&T). That extra plan they force you into for an iPhone is pricy as hell. Meanwhile you can get an iPod Touch and get 99% of the same functionality, minus the phone part.
Truth be told. I prefer texting to talking because.
1. I hate talking over phones.
2. I'm a very to the point person and don't believe in saying more than is necessary. My friends and family tend to be jabber-jaws.
Kind of a you problem then, isn't it? I mean... why have a phone if you hate talking over it? Save the bill, carry a laptop and use a 3G wireless card then.
Oh hey this is the video game thread. Maybe we should take this elsewhere.
I will never buy a 3D game, let alone a 3D movie/player/TV.
Wow...Santa Unleashed, and no Werehogs involved. :P
I see his points, they're all valid. But I love my iPhone and the connectivity it provides. The only thing that I don't get, and will never get is: texting. Like, I get it... but I didn't get a phone to send a message to someone, I got a phone to fucking call people. I fucking hate texting. I hate everything about it. It's fucking pointless.
I honestly feel it comes down to people not actually wanting to talk to each other. Which is why I say why pay extra per text/texting plans, wait till you get home and email/facebook/twitter/myspace someone.
Texting is a Godsend for me. I'm hearing impaired. I don't do well on the phone at ALL. texting is how I communicate with people, and quite frankly I get agitated when I need to talk to someone that doesn't have it.
Plus, texting is great for short snippets of conversation, such as "I'm running late, be there in 10." Do you really need to call...wait for the phone to ring...wait for the person to pick up, tell them you're late, partake in the obligatory but useless small talk, and then hang up?" No need for all that.
I think both have their place.
Edit: However I HATE "txt" speak. You have a full keyboard on your iPhone. Please spell out whole words.
See, I'd consider you the exception, not the rule here. In fact, you have a dedicated "texting" service with TTY. But I get why you'd prefer texting. Hell I think hearing impared people should get free texting.
It's just phone companies make millions of texting where a simple 3 or 4 minutes conversation would suffice.
I also hate that texting is a verb. And so does Firefox, which put a million red squiggly lines in this post.
AT&T does (or did, I haven't checked recently) offer a hearing impaired iPhone plan: $50 for "unlimited" internet and texting and pay as you go for voice.
My experience with TTY and relay services in general has not been great.
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Truth be told. I prefer texting to talking because.
1. I hate talking over phones.
2. I'm a very to the point person and don't believe in saying more than is necessary. My friends and family tend to be jabber-jaws.
Kind of a you problem then, isn't it? I mean... why have a phone if you hate talking over it? Save the bill, carry a laptop and use a 3G wireless card then.
Oh hey this is the video game thread. Maybe we should take this elsewhere.
I will never buy a 3D game, let alone a 3D movie/player/TV.
Dude, what's your disconnect?
I just said I don't like talking over a phone, no big deal. And of course it is my problem, whose problem would it be?
Truth be told. I prefer texting to talking because.
1. I hate talking over phones.
2. I'm a very to the point person and don't believe in saying more than is necessary. My friends and family tend to be jabber-jaws.
Kind of a you problem then, isn't it? I mean... why have a phone if you hate talking over it? Save the bill, carry a laptop and use a 3G wireless card then.
Oh hey this is the video game thread. Maybe we should take this elsewhere.
I will never buy a 3D game, let alone a 3D movie/player/TV.
This will be remembered. You'll be posting five years from now about how you pre-ordered the newest game from your favourite series (which would happen to be 3D) and I will emerge, quoting this very post.
Or not, I'll probably forget in ten minutes.
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edited June 2010
It is funny to me at least how against owning a cellphone I am, considering I'm a tech dork and usually jump on new tech bandwagons...or at least drool over it until I can justify the purchase to my wife.
In fact I almost...ALMOST bought an iphone back when it was first coming out, but my dislike of cellphones won out and I didn't get one.
So when the ipad goes down, I'll own one of those instead as my mobile compuker.
It is funny to me at least how against owning a cellphone I am, considering I'm a tech dork and usually jump on new tech bandwagons...or at least drool over it until I can justify the purchase to my wife.
In fact I almost...ALMOST bought an iphone back when it was first coming out, but my dislike of cellphones won out and I didn't get one.
So when the ipad goes down, I'll own one of those instead as my mobile compuker.
I didn't own a cellphone for the longest time. I finally got one because it was frustrating not having a phone for emergencies.
Certainly though I don't really see the need for a lot of what iPhone does - it's all nice stuff, but the price outweighs the usefulness IMO.
Yet somehow you don't understand that having the ability to do something is very handy, and can actually help in surprising ways.
cloud, seriously, what counter-points you have that aren't a form of ad hominem aren't even a factor to me. Like I said, I have a good memory. So I remember things quite easily. If it's something like directions, I write them down. Thanks to Google and their street view function, I can now map out a course that would be more accurate or familiar.
A game that I could've saved more money as opposed to a few dollars? Oh well. Money and opportunity lost. It's happened before, it'll happen again. Books are a problem when space it as a premium? Obviously. So...no book then. Or get a backpack or bag or something to carry it in. Plus, it's a book. They're generally not that large or heavy so holding it due to lack of pockets is hardly the worst thing in the world.
Really, it's like you're taking this personally. That my lifestyle, which doesn't need all this convenience, somehow offends you by merely mentioning it. Another ME2 attack? News as 'pesky facts' that I always ignore? iPods and DS systems as 'frivolous' as if that somehow invalidates my argument?
This is supposed to be an effective convincing strategy? Especially when I already addressed each point as it pertains to my point of view on the subject? Which I stated cannot be changed for this *thing*. It's childish. Much more childish than anything I've ever said and done.
Here's a tip: Just because I make an argument or counter-argument, doesn't mean I take any of it personally or seriously. You won't know the times I simply walk away from an argument (online, anyway) because that's the times I stop responded to an 'argument'. Strangely, except for something like this, I don't feel the need to 'win' an internet debate. I've made my points, and there are plenty of times I've openly conceded to others' points.
But seriously, this isn't one of those times you can prove me wrong by insulting or attacking anything I might say. I've never doubted or claimed that modern cellphones aren't useful for others. Only that it's not useful for me. Please, try and remember the difference and also try not to use debate as a tool to prove the other person is some kind of fool.
I'll cop to a particular reputation. But I'm never going to make it personal. Not cool, bro.
So, I'm not at all in touch with what's going on with iPhone / iPod Touch gaming - are there any games that have as much depth as stuff like Shiren the Wanderer, or Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, or Advance Wars: Dual Strike? My impression was it was a lot of more arcade-y type games that you usually find for free online.
That would be my biggest drawback to using the iPhone over the DS (or some other handheld) - I haven't investigated the iPhone game scene enough to know how much good stuff is out there.
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So, I'm not at all in touch with what's going on with iPhone / iPod Touch gaming - are there any games that have as much depth as stuff like Shiren the Wanderer, or Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, or Advance Wars: Dual Strike? My impression was it was a lot of more arcade-y type games that you usually find for free online.
That would be my biggest drawback to using the iPhone over the DS (or some other handheld) - I haven't investigated the iPhone game scene enough to know how much good stuff is out there.
I'd say mosey on over to the iPhone/Touch/Pad thread, Lunker does a great job of keeping the thread up to date. He also does a good job making us go broke by finding really interesting things, either released or about to em.
Yet somehow you don't understand that having the ability to do something is very handy, and can actually help in surprising ways.
cloud, seriously, what counter-points you have that aren't a form of ad hominem aren't even a factor to me. Like I said, I have a good memory. So I remember things quite easily. If it's something like directions, I write them down. Thanks to Google and their street view function, I can now map out a course that would be more accurate or familiar.
A game that I could've saved more money as opposed to a few dollars? Oh well. Money and opportunity lost. It's happened before, it'll happen again. Books are a problem when space it as a premium? Obviously. So...no book then. Or get a backpack or bag or something to carry it in. Plus, it's a book. They're generally not that large or heavy so holding it due to lack of pockets is hardly the worst thing in the world.
Really, it's like you're taking this personally. That my lifestyle, which doesn't need all this convenience, somehow offends you by merely mentioning it. Another ME2 attack? News as 'pesky facts' that I always ignore? iPods and DS systems as 'frivolous' as if that somehow invalidates my argument?
This is supposed to be an effective convincing strategy? Especially when I already addressed each point as it pertains to my point of view on the subject? Which I stated cannot be changed for this *thing*. It's childish. Much more childish than anything I've ever said and done.
Here's a tip: Just because I make an argument or counter-argument, doesn't mean I take any of it personally or seriously. You won't know the times I simply walk away from an argument (online, anyway) because that's the times I stop responded to an 'argument'. Strangely, except for something like this, I don't feel the need to 'win' an internet debate. I've made my points, and there are plenty of times I've openly conceded to others' points.
But seriously, this isn't one of those times you can prove me wrong by insulting or attacking anything I might say. I've never doubted or claimed that modern cellphones aren't useful for others. Only that it's not useful for me. Please, try and remember the difference and also try not to use debate as a tool to prove the other person is some kind of fool.
I'll cop to a particular reputation. But I'm never going to make it personal. Not cool, bro.
Okay, I'll admit to teasing about the Mass Effect 2 thing, and I can apologize.. But honestly, I couldn't resist the crack about the argument because, well, based on this forum you really, really like spirited debates. And when you said you'd rather not engage in a debate under, well, really any circumstance, even under strong opposition, it seemed really out of character for you, considering all the times you've started debates with me. Again, nothing wrong with debates, it's just that that particular rebuttal didn't ring true to your character.
However, I was being very serious about the DS and iPod arguments, and I'd like you to think about them a little more. You say that you don't need an iPhone, because it duplicates things you can do on a PC. Okay. But the DS and iPod duplicate features you can do elsewhere too, don't they? Sure, they may do things a little differently or offer features you might not get elsewhere, but that also applies to an iPhone vs. a PC.
The point I'm making is that a lot of new technology isn't truly necessary in the strict sense of the word. We don't need iPods for music. We don't need DSes to amuse ourselves. But does the existence of other alternatives make them invalid or insufficient improvements upon the experience? No, they don't. In fact many supposedly "unnecessary" technologies have managed to change the world. Before cell phones, you wouldn't expect to be able to get in touch with a person if they were away from home. But with cell phones, the world has changed to expect to get in touch with people away from home, and in fact the amount of time you can be out of touch before it's considered rude or worrying has dropped quite a bit.
At any rate, it's fine to not want a smartphone, but the "why would you need this, you can do this elsewhere" point just seems a little short-sighted.
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edited June 2010
I'd like to argue that the DS is absolutely necessary when it comes to travel, pretending to work, or bathroom visits.
I'd like to argue that the DS is absolutely necessary when it comes to travel, pretending to work, or bathroom visits.
An iPhone can replace a DS for pretending to work and bathroom visits.
On an airplane without internet connectivity, the DS is absolutely necessary. I haven't found any iPhone games that can suck up hours while making it feel that only minutes have passed.
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I have a cell phone because land lines are fucking pointless.
I'd like an iPhone so I can have portable games as well. I do have a DS, yes, but I don't really like carrying a bunch of stuff around with me at all times.
Cellphone + MP3 player + Games = iPhone or equivalent.
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edited June 2010
There have been quite a number of Dreamcast titles that I miss having and regret getting rid of.
I really hope Sega can expand this to non Sega published titles.
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That being said at the moment I'm a poor college student and can't really rationalize adding another 20-30 dollars to my phone bill for something I'll rarely use(when I'm out of the house I tend to be very busy, giving me little free time for all the portable do-daads).
Though, seeing as all my friends who have iPhones only ever use them to play games, watch youtube videos, and check their facebooks, I don't think I'm missing much.
And uh... what were you hoping to do different?
No no, I agree with all his points actually, and as a guy who hates how having a cellphone has become a status symbol rather than a tool to most kids out there, I also have a loathing for text messages and for any type of text speak in general.
In fact one of the things I hate most are people (kids usually) who joins forums like this and feel the need to speak in 'text' rather than regular english. BAH! :x
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Texting is a Godsend for me. I'm hearing impaired. I don't do well on the phone at ALL. texting is how I communicate with people, and quite frankly I get agitated when I need to talk to someone that doesn't have it.
Plus, texting is great for short snippets of conversation, such as "I'm running late, be there in 10." Do you really need to call...wait for the phone to ring...wait for the person to pick up, tell them you're late, partake in the obligatory but useless small talk, and then hang up?" No need for all that.
I think both have their place.
Edit: However I HATE "txt" speak. You have a full keyboard on your iPhone. Please spell out whole words.
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I really don't have anything against people for wanting that connectivity. I mean really, I just want it for a phone. And it does that. Others want it for that other stuff? Good for them. It just rankles me that (and through advertising and peer pressure, too) I'm expected to find all that functionality so useful that I couldn't live my life without it. Except that I already do. It's like trying to fill a need that doesn't exist until you start filling that need.
'The first one's free, kid.'
And I'm with you on the texting. Seriously, most people already have that answer service as part of their plan. You have a phone in your hand...so you send an e-mail. If it'd be rude to answer the phone, it's still rude to read and reply to a text.
I'm thinking about a comedy bit I'd heard a while back (paraphrasing): We send pictures and e-mails through our phones like it was a miracle of communication. We have phones. We can talk now! What's the next generation of phones going to feature? Smoke signals?
I realize that convincing you on this will be about as easy as convincing you that Mass Effect 2 was in fact better written than the Guy Game, but I feel compelled to point out:
But if you forget or YOU mess up the directions, you're boned. And what if you need the directions to something important you can't blow off? Or a friend honestly made a mistake?
Books are surprisingly hard to put in your pocket when space is at a premium.
You? Bow out of an argument? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Then again, the case could be made that you tend to believe facts are optional... :P
Ah yes, "who needs the news." Those pesky facts really do get in the way, huh?
But most radio stations are horrible and don't actually tell you what's playing anymore. Besides, what if you hear the song in a restaurant or an office building? My wife and I were eating Indian food one time when we heard this absolutely hilarious thing that sounded like the Hindu version of Alvin and the Chipmunks. The servers didn't know either, so if I didn't have Shazam, that song would have forever been a mystery. (Turns out the song was from a Bollywood movie where a mother despairs in thinking that his son is gay.)
But what if you run into something you didn't expect? How can you truly tell that the game that's on clearance is actually on sale for a better price.
Man, why did you buy that? You've already got a stereo at home and a radio player in the car.
And you've already got game systems at home. Man, you buy a lot of frivolous stuff.
Well, you have been known to say that if you don't think it's important, then it's not important to anyone...
Aside from the fact that you bought a DS and iPod you don't need (as you put it).
Yet somehow you don't understand that having the ability to do something is very handy, and can actually help in surprising ways.
I hate this too. It's like, how freaking lazy can we be?
See, I'd consider you the exception, not the rule here. In fact, you have a dedicated "texting" service with TTY. But I get why you'd prefer texting. Hell I think hearing impared people should get free texting.
It's just phone companies make millions of texting where a simple 3 or 4 minutes conversation would suffice.
I also hate that texting is a verb. And so does Firefox, which put a million red squiggly lines in this post.
1. I hate talking over phones.
2. I'm a very to the point person and don't believe in saying more than is necessary. My friends and family tend to be jabber-jaws.
There's a pretty signficant difference in price, which is kind of a factor (not to mention being limited to AT&T). That extra plan they force you into for an iPhone is pricy as hell. Meanwhile you can get an iPod Touch and get 99% of the same functionality, minus the phone part.
Kind of a you problem then, isn't it? I mean... why have a phone if you hate talking over it? Save the bill, carry a laptop and use a 3G wireless card then.
Oh hey this is the video game thread. Maybe we should take this elsewhere.
I will never buy a 3D game, let alone a 3D movie/player/TV.
AT&T does (or did, I haven't checked recently) offer a hearing impaired iPhone plan: $50 for "unlimited" internet and texting and pay as you go for voice.
My experience with TTY and relay services in general has not been great.
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Dude, what's your disconnect?
I just said I don't like talking over a phone, no big deal. And of course it is my problem, whose problem would it be?
This will be remembered. You'll be posting five years from now about how you pre-ordered the newest game from your favourite series (which would happen to be 3D) and I will emerge, quoting this very post.
Or not, I'll probably forget in ten minutes.
In fact I almost...ALMOST bought an iphone back when it was first coming out, but my dislike of cellphones won out and I didn't get one.
So when the ipad goes down, I'll own one of those instead as my mobile compuker.
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Internet, cable and phone are all fine, when you have a family you pay one fee and the entire family uses it. Not always true for cellphones.
I didn't own a cellphone for the longest time. I finally got one because it was frustrating not having a phone for emergencies.
Certainly though I don't really see the need for a lot of what iPhone does - it's all nice stuff, but the price outweighs the usefulness IMO.
cloud, seriously, what counter-points you have that aren't a form of ad hominem aren't even a factor to me. Like I said, I have a good memory. So I remember things quite easily. If it's something like directions, I write them down. Thanks to Google and their street view function, I can now map out a course that would be more accurate or familiar.
A game that I could've saved more money as opposed to a few dollars? Oh well. Money and opportunity lost. It's happened before, it'll happen again. Books are a problem when space it as a premium? Obviously. So...no book then. Or get a backpack or bag or something to carry it in. Plus, it's a book. They're generally not that large or heavy so holding it due to lack of pockets is hardly the worst thing in the world.
Really, it's like you're taking this personally. That my lifestyle, which doesn't need all this convenience, somehow offends you by merely mentioning it. Another ME2 attack? News as 'pesky facts' that I always ignore? iPods and DS systems as 'frivolous' as if that somehow invalidates my argument?
This is supposed to be an effective convincing strategy? Especially when I already addressed each point as it pertains to my point of view on the subject? Which I stated cannot be changed for this *thing*. It's childish. Much more childish than anything I've ever said and done.
Here's a tip: Just because I make an argument or counter-argument, doesn't mean I take any of it personally or seriously. You won't know the times I simply walk away from an argument (online, anyway) because that's the times I stop responded to an 'argument'. Strangely, except for something like this, I don't feel the need to 'win' an internet debate. I've made my points, and there are plenty of times I've openly conceded to others' points.
But seriously, this isn't one of those times you can prove me wrong by insulting or attacking anything I might say. I've never doubted or claimed that modern cellphones aren't useful for others. Only that it's not useful for me. Please, try and remember the difference and also try not to use debate as a tool to prove the other person is some kind of fool.
I'll cop to a particular reputation. But I'm never going to make it personal. Not cool, bro.
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it's default ringtone is the starman theme
and it makes you INVINCIBLE!
That would be my biggest drawback to using the iPhone over the DS (or some other handheld) - I haven't investigated the iPhone game scene enough to know how much good stuff is out there.
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I'd say mosey on over to the iPhone/Touch/Pad thread, Lunker does a great job of keeping the thread up to date. He also does a good job making us go broke by finding really interesting things, either released or about to em.
Okay, I'll admit to teasing about the Mass Effect 2 thing, and I can apologize.. But honestly, I couldn't resist the crack about the argument because, well, based on this forum you really, really like spirited debates. And when you said you'd rather not engage in a debate under, well, really any circumstance, even under strong opposition, it seemed really out of character for you, considering all the times you've started debates with me. Again, nothing wrong with debates, it's just that that particular rebuttal didn't ring true to your character.
However, I was being very serious about the DS and iPod arguments, and I'd like you to think about them a little more. You say that you don't need an iPhone, because it duplicates things you can do on a PC. Okay. But the DS and iPod duplicate features you can do elsewhere too, don't they? Sure, they may do things a little differently or offer features you might not get elsewhere, but that also applies to an iPhone vs. a PC.
The point I'm making is that a lot of new technology isn't truly necessary in the strict sense of the word. We don't need iPods for music. We don't need DSes to amuse ourselves. But does the existence of other alternatives make them invalid or insufficient improvements upon the experience? No, they don't. In fact many supposedly "unnecessary" technologies have managed to change the world. Before cell phones, you wouldn't expect to be able to get in touch with a person if they were away from home. But with cell phones, the world has changed to expect to get in touch with people away from home, and in fact the amount of time you can be out of touch before it's considered rude or worrying has dropped quite a bit.
At any rate, it's fine to not want a smartphone, but the "why would you need this, you can do this elsewhere" point just seems a little short-sighted.
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Precicely, to me it's as important in my hobby as any of my home consoles ever were.
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>_>...and I am serious.
An iPhone can replace a DS for pretending to work and bathroom visits.
On an airplane without internet connectivity, the DS is absolutely necessary. I haven't found any iPhone games that can suck up hours while making it feel that only minutes have passed.
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Interesting.
Trine 2 will be at E3 and I wish it would come to the 360.
Not long after, Sega will abandon digital content because it can't keep up, and just stick to making games.
No wait.
I'd like an iPhone so I can have portable games as well. I do have a DS, yes, but I don't really like carrying a bunch of stuff around with me at all times.
Cellphone + MP3 player + Games = iPhone or equivalent.
I really hope Sega can expand this to non Sega published titles.
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But that's more Capcom.
Until a big storm rolls over your house and renders your cell phone reception to shit as well as your satellite signals.
Landlines are ironically the emergency system now.