"With its huge fanbase and widespread 3rd party software support, the only thing that could derail the 3DS now is too high of a price point," Greenwald said. "We think $199 is the best bet."
How much does a Wii cost, again?
$200 with WSR and WM+
That's what I thought.
I really don't want to sound like some kind of console vs handheld warrior, but I think it's a terribad idea for a portable console, no matter what it's power, to be priced the same (and potentially more if the Wii price-drops first...) as its 'bigger' sibling.
I mean, going from the Lite, to the DSi, to XL, to 3DS... And so quickly, too... It's a bit mind boggling.
I'm hardly going to leap to their defence, but 1) Lite was obviously the form factor they would have gone with if they hadn't rushed to market because of the PSP, 2) DSi was essentially a halfway upgrade to keep the pricepoint high and allow a foray into direct downloads, and was probably intended to live a bit longer than it actually will, 3) DSi XL isn't really an 'new version' at all, any more than a 60 inch TV is a new version of a 32 inch one - it has a bigger screen, costs more and isn't aimed at everyone. There's also strong hints that the 3DS was brought forward in their plans due to competition from the iPhone - so it's all just compromise and fear of losing the edge. Plus, the DS was so enormously successful that releasing constant upgrades is just a mechanism from extracting maximum cash from fans who will gladly pay.
As for cost - I really don't think there's much of a comparison there. The Wii as a home console is effectively part of a generation that started nearly 10 years ago - even if you enjoy the many fantastic games it has to offer, you're not enticed to pay over the odds for it because it lies on some bleeding edge. The DS has set new standards for handheld graphics and has 3D - at least initially, it will certainly fall into the 'fancy new toy' category. If people will drop $700 on an iPad, they'll certainly drop $200 on something that gives them a nifty 3D camera and a way to watch 3D movies on the go.
So I'm listening to the Bombcast talk about Rockband 3. It sounds quite cool but I guess we are going to find out if the Guitar controllers being simpler was a big part of the original success of Guitar Hero.
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I'm hardly going to leap to their defence, but 1) Lite was obviously the form factor they would have gone with if they hadn't rushed to market because of the PSP, 2) DSi was essentially a halfway upgrade to keep the pricepoint high and allow a foray into direct downloads, and was probably intended to live a bit longer than it actually will, 3) DSi XL isn't really an 'new version' at all, any more than a 60 inch TV is a new version of a 32 inch one - it has a bigger screen, costs more and isn't aimed at everyone. There's also strong hints that the 3DS was brought forward in their plans due to competition from the iPhone - so it's all just compromise and fear of losing the edge. Plus, the DS was so enormously successful that releasing constant upgrades is just a mechanism from extracting maximum cash from fans who will gladly pay.
As for cost - I really don't think there's much of a comparison there. The Wii as a home console is effectively part of a generation that started nearly 10 years ago - even if you enjoy the many fantastic games it has to offer, you're not enticed to pay over the odds for it because it lies on some bleeding edge. The DS has set new standards for handheld graphics and has 3D - at least initially, it will certainly fall into the 'fancy new toy' category. If people will drop $700 on an iPad, they'll certainly drop $200 on something that gives them a nifty 3D camera and a way to watch 3D movies on the go.
Would it be a good idea for SONY to price the PSPwhatever as the same price as the PS3? Nintendo is in a position to do whatever the fuck they want because they're on top (and because it's always profitable). At one point, so did SONY. In neither case is it necessarily a good idea.
I'm hardly going to leap to their defence, but 1) Lite was obviously the form factor they would have gone with if they hadn't rushed to market because of the PSP, 2) DSi was essentially a halfway upgrade to keep the pricepoint high and allow a foray into direct downloads, and was probably intended to live a bit longer than it actually will, 3) DSi XL isn't really an 'new version' at all, any more than a 60 inch TV is a new version of a 32 inch one - it has a bigger screen, costs more and isn't aimed at everyone. There's also strong hints that the 3DS was brought forward in their plans due to competition from the iPhone - so it's all just compromise and fear of losing the edge. Plus, the DS was so enormously successful that releasing constant upgrades is just a mechanism from extracting maximum cash from fans who will gladly pay.
As for cost - I really don't think there's much of a comparison there. The Wii as a home console is effectively part of a generation that started nearly 10 years ago - even if you enjoy the many fantastic games it has to offer, you're not enticed to pay over the odds for it because it lies on some bleeding edge. The DS has set new standards for handheld graphics and has 3D - at least initially, it will certainly fall into the 'fancy new toy' category. If people will drop $700 on an iPad, they'll certainly drop $200 on something that gives them a nifty 3D camera and a way to watch 3D movies on the go.
Would it be a good idea for SONY to price the PSPwhatever as the same price as the PS3? Nintendo is in a position to do whatever the fuck they want because they're on top (and because it's always profitable). At one point, so did SONY. In neither case is it necessarily a good idea.
My point was that they're not comparable - the Wii, DS, and 3DS all occupy completely different positions in the market. The DS is whatever price you want to pay, from $100 to pushing $170, and is attractive because of the vast library, and because of an attactive price relative to its sole competitor, the PSP. The Wii's selling point was as an inexpensive 'toy' for the mass market even at launch, and several years have passed since then - it never commanded the premier price point in the console market, and does so even less now: the only thing cheaper than it are stripped-down 360s being sold at a heavy loss.
I'm saying that the 3DS doesn't have to be priced in accordance with some weird console hierarchy. As a handheld, it offers new and unrivalled experiences in both power and technology, and therefore can command a higher price as long as demand exists for this experience. Sony won't charge $600 for a new handheld because most people won't pay $600for a handheld, not because it makes the PS3 sound like a poorer value proposition.
To be fair, at least part of the NDS and DSLites attractiveness was the fact you could pirate games for it so easy. Many people bought them from us and openly admitted they wanted thelowest game deals because they were just going to buy an R4 for it.
DS was more expensive then a new GC at the time it launched. Don't want to replicate that failure of a handheld.
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And people were also buying the GCN enough to still make it a sales winner at that point, right?
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GCN when DS was released=3 years old, almost to the day.
Wii at the earliest possible time of 3DS's release=4 years old. It's seven year old tech at this point more or less. It's really not going to hurt or help the Wii in any fashion.
The DS is whatever price you want to pay, from $100 to pushing $170
With almost all of it being 170.
The Wii's selling point was as an inexpensive 'toy' for the mass market even at launch, and several years have passed since then - it never commanded the premier price point in the console market, and does so even less now: the only thing cheaper than it are stripped-down 360s being sold at a heavy loss.
The Wii is not actually inexpensive. The others are just expensive. The Wii took a while to have its first price drop. The number of weeks after launch it took was longer than the number of weeks it took for hte PS2 to drop to the same price point.
I'm saying that the 3DS doesn't have to be priced in accordance with some weird console hierarchy. As a handheld, it offers new and unrivalled experiences in both power and technology, and therefore can command a higher price. Sony won't charge $600 for a new handheld because most people won't pay $600 for a handheld, not because it makes the PS3 sound like a poorer value proposition.
What people are willing to pay for a handheld is at least partially based on what the console costs in comparison.
I will happily pay $200 for the 3DS if that's the price it launches at.
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What's all this hubbub about the price of the 3DS being 200 clams? A brand-new DS Lite is $130 and a DSi is $160-$170. Do people really think $200 bucks is enormously overpriced for the 3DS? It's a very substantial upgrade over the DS/DSi. $200 for all of what the 3DS has is a pretty great price but without being so expensive you won't want to take it anywhere.
I think you're misreading the crowd here; most people think $200 is the likely price and one they'd be willing to pay. Under $200 is expecting too much and over is too much to pay in many people's opinion.
What's all this hubbub about the price of the 3DS being 200 clams? A brand-new DS Lite is $130 and a DSi is $160-$170. Do people really think $200 bucks is enormously overpriced for the 3DS? It's a very substantial upgrade over the DS/DSi. $200 for all of what the 3DS has is a pretty great price but without being so expensive you won't want to take it anywhere.
I'm thinking $189
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What's all this hubbub about the price of the 3DS being 200 clams? A brand-new DS Lite is $130 and a DSi is $160-$170. Do people really think $200 bucks is enormously overpriced for the 3DS? It's a very substantial upgrade over the DS/DSi. $200 for all of what the 3DS has is a pretty great price but without being so expensive you won't want to take it anywhere.
The supposition is that there's no way that they'd undercut the DSi XL at $190, yet it would be a sony level of arrogance to price it more than the Wii at $200
There's also strong hints that the 3DS was brought forward in their plans due to competition from the iPhone
Piracy
Obviously piracy is part of it but you keep touting it like it's the only thing. Saying it doesn't make it so.
As we've seen, their tech is ready, third parties are on board and the timing was perfect: new technology of their own to take the wind out of the sails of their competitors' new technology. They've been working on 3D technology for years, as well as Project Sora.
Everything indicates that this has been well-planned and isn't something they're throwing out as an emergency anti-piracy measure. If that was all they needed, something like the DSi would've achieved the same function.
There's also strong hints that the 3DS was brought forward in their plans due to competition from the iPhone
Piracy
Obviously piracy is part of it but you keep touting it like it's the only thing. Saying it doesn't make it so.
As we've seen, their tech is ready, third parties are on board and the timing was perfect: new technology of their own to take the wind out of the sails of their competitors' new technology. They've been working on 3D technology for years, as well as Project Sora.
Everything indicates that this has been well-planned and isn't something they're throwing out as an emergency anti-piracy measure. If that was all they needed, something like the DSi would've achieved the same function.
But if anything, that's more evidence that the problem they're responding to isn't Apple. Because Piracy has been a problem of theirs for decades, even if it's a bit worse for the DS.
I get the feeling that the movie industry is going to be falling over themselves to try and push some 3D movie carts. I don't think they would have offered up the trailers like they did otherwise.
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There's also strong hints that the 3DS was brought forward in their plans due to competition from the iPhone
Piracy
Obviously piracy is part of it but you keep touting it like it's the only thing. Saying it doesn't make it so.
As we've seen, their tech is ready, third parties are on board and the timing was perfect: new technology of their own to take the wind out of the sails of their competitors' new technology. They've been working on 3D technology for years, as well as Project Sora.
Everything indicates that this has been well-planned and isn't something they're throwing out as an emergency anti-piracy measure. If that was all they needed, something like the DSi would've achieved the same function.
But if anything, that's more evidence that the problem they're responding to isn't Apple. Because Piracy has been a problem of theirs for decades, even if it's a bit worse for the DS.
I don't care if they're responding to Apple, either. It might make sense but yeah, this handheld and its reveal/launch appears to have been well planned, and not as a response to something recent.
Piracy has always been everyone's problem. Out of every console ever, only the PS3 seems to have been really resilient.
It's not any one company, it's the cell phone industry as a whole that they're taking aim at. Japan's full of the things and as time moves on they become more and more capable as game machines so then Nintendo has to do something different, something no cell phone can do. Glassesless 3D fills that hole perfectly. That's their trojan horse to keep handheld game-only consoles relevant.
I get the feeling that the movie industry is going to be falling over themselves to try and push some 3D movie carts. I don't think they would have offered up the trailers like they did otherwise.
I don't see people rebuying their films in small-screen cart format any more than they did for the PSP.
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Maybe add them as an extra to a DVD/BluRay release.
It's not any one company, it's the cell phone industry as a whole that they're taking aim at. Japan's full of the things and as time moves on they become more and more capable as game machines so then Nintendo has to do something different, something no cell phone can do. Glassesless 3D fills that hole perfectly. That's their trojan horse to keep handheld game-only consoles relevant.
I'm sure they are being proactive against the cell phones but even in Japan there is no real evidence that the cell phone are encroaching on the DS or PSP.
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What's all this hubbub about the price of the 3DS being 200 clams? A brand-new DS Lite is $130 and a DSi is $160-$170. Do people really think $200 bucks is enormously overpriced for the 3DS? It's a very substantial upgrade over the DS/DSi. $200 for all of what the 3DS has is a pretty great price but without being so expensive you won't want to take it anywhere.
The supposition is that there's no way that they'd undercut the DSi XL at $190, yet it would be a sony level of arrogance to price it more than the Wii at $200
Really? I'd guess $250 myself. The DS in its various incarnation is the best selling system at the moment in the $130-$190 range so I don't see why a drastically better handheld wouldn't sell well at a slightly higher price in 6-12 months.
What's all this hubbub about the price of the 3DS being 200 clams? A brand-new DS Lite is $130 and a DSi is $160-$170. Do people really think $200 bucks is enormously overpriced for the 3DS? It's a very substantial upgrade over the DS/DSi. $200 for all of what the 3DS has is a pretty great price but without being so expensive you won't want to take it anywhere.
The supposition is that there's no way that they'd undercut the DSi XL at $190, yet it would be a sony level of arrogance to price it more than the Wii at $200
Really? I'd guess $250 myself. The DS in its various incarnation is the best selling system at the moment in the $130-$190 range so I don't see why a drastically better handheld wouldn't sell well at a slightly higher price in 6-12 months.
I was sort of hoping there would be one more generation before the hubris set in.
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What's all this hubbub about the price of the 3DS being 200 clams? A brand-new DS Lite is $130 and a DSi is $160-$170. Do people really think $200 bucks is enormously overpriced for the 3DS? It's a very substantial upgrade over the DS/DSi. $200 for all of what the 3DS has is a pretty great price but without being so expensive you won't want to take it anywhere.
The supposition is that there's no way that they'd undercut the DSi XL at $190, yet it would be a sony level of arrogance to price it more than the Wii at $200
When does the 3DS come out, anyway? The logical supposition would be that Nintendo will simply drop the price of the DS line before the 3DS hits. Then they can put it at 190-200 and it won't undercut anything.
I get the feeling that the movie industry is going to be falling over themselves to try and push some 3D movie carts. I don't think they would have offered up the trailers like they did otherwise.
I don't see people rebuying their films in small-screen cart format any more than they did for the PSP.
2 of the 3 companies they talked about were owned by disney, which falls into the demographic pretty well...
I get the feeling that the movie industry is going to be falling over themselves to try and push some 3D movie carts. I don't think they would have offered up the trailers like they did otherwise.
I don't see people rebuying their films in small-screen cart format any more than they did for the PSP.
2 of the 3 companies they talked about were owned by disney, which falls into the demographic pretty well...
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And it doesnt matter because that demographic doesn't have disposable income, their parents do and their parents might buy them a film here or there to shut their faces on holiday, but they aren't going to do it in the long term when the DVD is probably the exact same price.
What's all this hubbub about the price of the 3DS being 200 clams? A brand-new DS Lite is $130 and a DSi is $160-$170. Do people really think $200 bucks is enormously overpriced for the 3DS? It's a very substantial upgrade over the DS/DSi. $200 for all of what the 3DS has is a pretty great price but without being so expensive you won't want to take it anywhere.
The supposition is that there's no way that they'd undercut the DSi XL at $190, yet it would be a sony level of arrogance to price it more than the Wii at $200
When does the 3DS come out, anyway? The logical supposition would be that Nintendo will simply drop the price of the DS line before the 3DS hits. Then they can put it at 190-200 and it won't undercut anything.
Supposedly by the end of the fiscal year, which is in March.
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Well, here's 25,000 barrels of oil a day visualized with the Unreal Development Kit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7_rPDwSKe8
Interesting use of a piece of game technology for a non gaming application, IMO.
EDIT: Apparently he cheated though and there's a central column in the barrels.
Thanks.
And people were also buying the GCN enough to still make it a sales winner at that point, right?
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Seems reasonable, stacking those up must be a bitch. Too bad he couldn't remove it when they collapsed, though.
Now he needs to show the ~2,760,000 barrels of total spilled oil so far.
That's like the seventh time I've seen you whip out that stupid .gif today, and I don't even visit a fifth of the threads here.
I'm hardly going to leap to their defence, but 1) Lite was obviously the form factor they would have gone with if they hadn't rushed to market because of the PSP, 2) DSi was essentially a halfway upgrade to keep the pricepoint high and allow a foray into direct downloads, and was probably intended to live a bit longer than it actually will, 3) DSi XL isn't really an 'new version' at all, any more than a 60 inch TV is a new version of a 32 inch one - it has a bigger screen, costs more and isn't aimed at everyone. There's also strong hints that the 3DS was brought forward in their plans due to competition from the iPhone - so it's all just compromise and fear of losing the edge. Plus, the DS was so enormously successful that releasing constant upgrades is just a mechanism from extracting maximum cash from fans who will gladly pay.
As for cost - I really don't think there's much of a comparison there. The Wii as a home console is effectively part of a generation that started nearly 10 years ago - even if you enjoy the many fantastic games it has to offer, you're not enticed to pay over the odds for it because it lies on some bleeding edge. The DS has set new standards for handheld graphics and has 3D - at least initially, it will certainly fall into the 'fancy new toy' category. If people will drop $700 on an iPad, they'll certainly drop $200 on something that gives them a nifty 3D camera and a way to watch 3D movies on the go.
Because it doesn't properly convey scale the scale: it looks bigger than it is.
Though, I guess to be fair, the oil spill thing apparently wasn't the original point of the video; it was just a physics test.
EDIT: DarkWarrior: Not a clue.
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This is so awesome
Would it be a good idea for SONY to price the PSPwhatever as the same price as the PS3? Nintendo is in a position to do whatever the fuck they want because they're on top (and because it's always profitable). At one point, so did SONY. In neither case is it necessarily a good idea.
My point was that they're not comparable - the Wii, DS, and 3DS all occupy completely different positions in the market. The DS is whatever price you want to pay, from $100 to pushing $170, and is attractive because of the vast library, and because of an attactive price relative to its sole competitor, the PSP. The Wii's selling point was as an inexpensive 'toy' for the mass market even at launch, and several years have passed since then - it never commanded the premier price point in the console market, and does so even less now: the only thing cheaper than it are stripped-down 360s being sold at a heavy loss.
I'm saying that the 3DS doesn't have to be priced in accordance with some weird console hierarchy. As a handheld, it offers new and unrivalled experiences in both power and technology, and therefore can command a higher price as long as demand exists for this experience. Sony won't charge $600 for a new handheld because most people won't pay $600for a handheld, not because it makes the PS3 sound like a poorer value proposition.
GCN when DS was released=3 years old, almost to the day.
Wii at the earliest possible time of 3DS's release=4 years old. It's seven year old tech at this point more or less. It's really not going to hurt or help the Wii in any fashion.
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The Wii is not actually inexpensive. The others are just expensive. The Wii took a while to have its first price drop. The number of weeks after launch it took was longer than the number of weeks it took for hte PS2 to drop to the same price point.
What people are willing to pay for a handheld is at least partially based on what the console costs in comparison.
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I'm thinking $189
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The supposition is that there's no way that they'd undercut the DSi XL at $190, yet it would be a sony level of arrogance to price it more than the Wii at $200
Piracy
Obviously piracy is part of it but you keep touting it like it's the only thing. Saying it doesn't make it so.
As we've seen, their tech is ready, third parties are on board and the timing was perfect: new technology of their own to take the wind out of the sails of their competitors' new technology. They've been working on 3D technology for years, as well as Project Sora.
Everything indicates that this has been well-planned and isn't something they're throwing out as an emergency anti-piracy measure. If that was all they needed, something like the DSi would've achieved the same function.
But if anything, that's more evidence that the problem they're responding to isn't Apple. Because Piracy has been a problem of theirs for decades, even if it's a bit worse for the DS.
I don't care if they're responding to Apple, either. It might make sense but yeah, this handheld and its reveal/launch appears to have been well planned, and not as a response to something recent.
Piracy has always been everyone's problem. Out of every console ever, only the PS3 seems to have been really resilient.
I don't see people rebuying their films in small-screen cart format any more than they did for the PSP.
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I'm sure they are being proactive against the cell phones but even in Japan there is no real evidence that the cell phone are encroaching on the DS or PSP.
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Really? I'd guess $250 myself. The DS in its various incarnation is the best selling system at the moment in the $130-$190 range so I don't see why a drastically better handheld wouldn't sell well at a slightly higher price in 6-12 months.
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I was sort of hoping there would be one more generation before the hubris set in.
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When does the 3DS come out, anyway? The logical supposition would be that Nintendo will simply drop the price of the DS line before the 3DS hits. Then they can put it at 190-200 and it won't undercut anything.
2 of the 3 companies they talked about were owned by disney, which falls into the demographic pretty well...
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And it doesnt matter because that demographic doesn't have disposable income, their parents do and their parents might buy them a film here or there to shut their faces on holiday, but they aren't going to do it in the long term when the DVD is probably the exact same price.
Supposedly by the end of the fiscal year, which is in March.
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