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Rakai

Bionic Monkey wrote: »

The Ender wrote: »

Nintendo has never launched a home console at $299. I doubt they'd do it for a handheld.

IT WILL COST TEH $300 is desperate fear mongering from haters like Pachter & Nintendo's competitors (who know that they're in big big trouble now).

I imagine it'll come out at around the same price point as the DS at launch.

Agreed. I honestly don't expect more than $150-170, but I'm willing to fudge up to $200 max for the thing.

The XL is $190 and is currently the best seller on Amazon. I doubt it will be less than that.

Santa Claustrophobia

fragglefart wrote: »

I wish all these guesstimates were in £.

I have no idea how much I'll need for the 3DS and the onslaught called Rock Band 3 at the moment...

Lots.

Better start checking under the cushions.

mspencer

I'm pretty confident Nintendo has already done this market analysis, and have decided to develop and release the 3DS because it will be likely to succeed at market. Nintendo have GOOD businessy folks. I trust them to do this well.

I don't think it's a matter of "here's this one technology our guy just invented. Do it or don't do it?" I think it's a matter of "we've been working on this on and off for ten years. New product development has just found a supplier who can deliver this one expensive, critical component in volume and for cheaper than ever" followed by "yes, now the numbers look right, now the product can probably succeed. It's time."

Kastanj

You people are never going to stop paying class money for them there musicking games, huh?
As long as you are happy about it, that's fine.
I just don't think you should be teaching in public schools.

Algertman

3DS. This November. World Wide. 199.99

New Wii Bundle + Motion Plus/Sports Resort + NSMB Wii at 199.99

Henroid

fragglefart wrote: »

I wish all these guesstimates were in £.

I have no idea how much I'll need for the 3DS and the onslaught called Rock Band 3 at the moment...

Why don't you fix your economy / currency so that you could not be screwed over on the cost? <_<

Spoit

fragglefart wrote: »

I wish all these guesstimates were in £.

I have no idea how much I'll need for the 3DS and the onslaught called Rock Band 3 at the moment...

You say that like RB3 is even coming out in Europe on time :P

Synthesis wrote: »

I think $200 is a very likely number.

Honestly, given that it's Nintendo, if they had to, I'm fairly confident they'd use less expensive/lower performing components to stay under that price line, rather than exceed it. I doubt even that is that likely though.

They don't have to, but that's how they've always worked so far

fragglefart

Spoit wrote: »

fragglefart wrote: »

I wish all these guesstimates were in £.

I have no idea how much I'll need for the 3DS and the onslaught called Rock Band 3 at the moment...

You say that like RB3 is even coming out in Europe on time :P

Yeah we never even got the RB2 instruments at all...

Rent

Pureauthor wrote: »

urahonky wrote: »

It's funny that SoulSilver sold more than HeartGold. And we all know why: HeartGold makes you look like a sissy.

Say it before, say it a thousand times - Rainbow Turkey on the cover of HeartGold. Not. Cool.

Ho-Oh is awesome what the hell pure

Pureauthor

Awesome music.

Awesome stats.

Awesome move. (Sacred Fire is one of the best attacks in the whole game.)

But holy crap did their designers clock out early the day they designed that thing.

Glal

UncleSporky wrote: »

Couscous wrote: »

So what would make it particularly expensive? The 3D mainly requires double the resolution of the top screen, but the resolution increase shouldn't cost that much. The graphics are good but not as extravagant as the PSP was at the time. It has been five years since the release of the PSP and that had Dreamcastish quality graphics.

I think there's some more tech to it than just a double resolution screen, depending on how they accomplish their 3D effect. Could potentially be expensive.

Two cameras, one displayed on odd, one on even columns. I imagine they have a separate graphics unit rendering each camera, so it depends on how much of the cost of the unit those represent. Other than that I don't see what extra tech would be needed to achieve the effect- rendering stereo images has never been a problem (we can already see separate cameras used in games like HL2 as displays), it's always been an issue of how to display them.

I do wonder if turning the 3d off will lower power consumption. If they are using two separate hardware units then one could power the spare one down when not needed.

mspencer

Glal wrote: »

UncleSporky wrote: »

Couscous wrote: »

So what would make it particularly expensive? The 3D mainly requires double the resolution of the top screen, but the resolution increase shouldn't cost that much. The graphics are good but not as extravagant as the PSP was at the time. It has been five years since the release of the PSP and that had Dreamcastish quality graphics.

I think there's some more tech to it than just a double resolution screen, depending on how they accomplish their 3D effect. Could potentially be expensive.

Two cameras, one displayed on odd, one on even columns. I imagine they have a separate graphics unit rendering each camera, so it depends on how much of the cost of the unit those represent. Other than that I don't see what extra tech would be needed to achieve the effect- rendering stereo images has never been a problem (we can already see separate cameras used in games like HL2 as displays), it's always been an issue of how to display them.

I do wonder if turning the 3d off will lower power consumption. If they are using two separate hardware units then one could power the spare one down when not needed.

If things really were that discrete, turning one off would give you half an image. Only even columns or only odd columns. If you want the entire screen (both eyes) used, you'll need to fill the same number of pixels so you might as well use both units anyway.

Glal

I guess, though I don't see why you couldn't just double the first camera's pixels, given that both cameras are now rendering the exact same thing.

Cantido

This takes me back...when interviews said the Virtual Boy would cost hundreds more to be three colors instead of red.

mspencer

Glal wrote: »

I guess, though I don't see why you couldn't just double the first camera's pixels, given that both cameras are now rendering the exact same thing.

. . . actually, you totally could do that. I was thinking of something different.

X__X

Xaquin

I'd hope it's $200 .... it seems about the highest price for a handheld. If it was $250 people would see it's more expensive than the Wii and think they were getting ripped off.

maximumzero

So I'm watching the Angry Nerd E3 stuff and holy shit, is it just me or was like half of the games at E3 2D? (Either in Graphics or Gameplay) I mean seriously, Sonic 4, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Kirby's Epic Yarn, the Contra game that isn't named Contra, the Castlevania Harmony of Dispair, Batman Brave & the Bold, and probably another good half dozen I'm forgetting about.

Not that I'm complaining, it's fucking awesome, and funny because I was really afraid that the DS was the last bastion for 2D gaming, and with it being replaced I thought we were all fucked.

lowlylowlycook

Well the 40th time NSMB DS showed up in the NPD top 20 finally the bells went off.

DevoutlyApathetic

I am amused that once again Nintendo has released a marginal hardware upgrade shortly before a major hardware revision. It's like a secret code for them.

maximumzero

DevoutlyApathetic wrote: »

I am amused that once again Nintendo has released a marginal hardware upgrade shortly before a major hardware revision. It's like a secret code for them.

It's really all about getting those last few sales out of the "current" hardware before you move on.

Edit: It worked on me. I bought a Bronze XL for myself and a Pink DSi for the girlfriend to replace/supplement her '07 Coral Pink Lite.

cloudeagle

Well, Nintendo had to stay on top of things since Sony was doing their own, supposedly awesome marginal hardware upgrade.

It was only after the Go came out that we found out it was pretty harmless.

Opty

I'm betting Nintendo will delay the 3DS to 2011 fall/winter, partially to extend the amount of time since the DSi so people aren't as pissed off by "having to buy a new console so soon", but especially if it helps with lowering the cost or increasing the supply to meet the demand. I also believe that $200 is the hard stop price point for handhelds where anything higher scares people away.

Henroid

If they push it back, it'd reduce cost perhaps and then it may encourage Sony to act by pushing out something crappy in comparison.

DekuStick

Yeah I don't know. I'm pretty sure I paid about $215 for my DSi just a few months ago. While I can't guess 3DS price, $200 seems low to me.

fragglefart

maximumzero wrote: »

So I'm watching the Angry Nerd E3 stuff and holy shit, is it just me or was like half of the games at E3 2D? (Either in Graphics or Gameplay) I mean seriously, Sonic 4, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Kirby's Epic Yarn, the Contra game that isn't named Contra, the Castlevania Harmony of Dispair, Batman Brave & the Bold, and probably another good half dozen I'm forgetting about.

Not that I'm complaining, it's fucking awesome, and funny because I was really afraid that the DS was the last bastion for 2D gaming, and with it being replaced I thought we were all fucked.

Not to mention Super Meatboy, Limbo, Comic Jumper...

yeah good times for 2D gaming.

Henroid

Uh, was it $215 after taxes, by any chance?

Athenor

Opty wrote: »

I'm betting Nintendo will delay the 3DS to 2011 fall/winter, partially to extend the amount of time since the DSi so people aren't as pissed off by "having to buy a new console so soon", but especially if it helps with lowering the cost or increasing the supply to meet the demand. I also believe that $200 is the hard stop price point for handhelds where anything higher scares people away.

Eh. First, it feels like the DSi is fairly old, at least to me. XL I knew was a stopgap. Second, the DS market is a bit fragmented at this point -- I don't have an i. Which means I can't access DSiWare. Nintendo will want to change that.

And more than anything, keep in mind that the DS platform is 5 years old. So there is that. I see the DSi as the Gameboy Color of this generation.

DekuStick

Yes, and CAD. I wish I could find the receipt. 185 I'm pretty sure it was. So working the tax out it came to 210.

Opty

The DSi is the DS's GameBoy Color, only it's flopped more than the GBC. There wasn't anything new enough about it to get companies making DSi-only/DSi-Enhanced games outside of the Camera while the addition of Color was plenty enough reason to get everyone on board the GBC train.

DevoutlyApathetic

Yea, I comparing the Micro/XL myself. Both were obviously just stop gap like things.

Couscous

The DSi isn't really the DS' GameBoy Color. With the GameBoy Color, Nintendo actually supported it with GB exclusive games. Outside of the DLC, it hasn't really done that with the DSi.

The Micro was released in September 2005. The DS was released in November 21, 2004. You can' t have a stop gap that comes nearly a year after the thing it is suppose to be stop gapping for. It is closer to the NES or SNES redesign in that it was an attempt to make one lost cash in on those consoles. The NES redesign was released in 1993 while the SNES was released on August 23, 1991. The SNES redesign was released on October 20 1997 while the N65 was released on September 26, 1996. Basically, Nintendo whores out its successful consoles for as long as possible.

Henroid

How about the GBC is the GB's GBC and the DSi is the DS' DSi and we knock it off with the dumb analogies?

Lawndart

Xaquin wrote: »

I'd hope it's $200 .... it seems about the highest price for a handheld. If it was $250 people would see it's more expensive than the Wii and think they were getting ripped off.

Well, isn't the DSi XL only $10 cheaper than the Wii?

How has the XL been selling, or are XL sales lumped into the giant unstoppable juggernaut of DS sales?

Oh, my completely unsupported guesstimate of 3DS launch pricing: $249.99 USD.

Edit: Maybe a little less, but still over $200.

What'll make that price seem like less of a rip off? It'll come with a pack-in game to show off the 3D capabilities.

I shall now brace myself to be horribly, horribly wrong.

Rent

Henroid wrote: »

How about the GBC is the GB's GBC and the DSi is the DS' DSi and we knock it off with the dumb analogies?

dumb analogies are like ford pintos. everyone has had one at some point in their life, and is deeply ashamed that they do

Couscous

Rent wrote: »

Henroid wrote: »

How about the GBC is the GB's GBC and the DSi is the DS' DSi and we knock it off with the dumb analogies?

dumb analogies are like ford pintos. everyone has had one at some point in their life, and is deeply ashamed that they do

That analogy is the Yugo of analogies.

Rent

Couscous wrote: »

Rent wrote: »

Henroid wrote: »

How about the GBC is the GB's GBC and the DSi is the DS' DSi and we knock it off with the dumb analogies?

dumb analogies are like ford pintos. everyone has had one at some point in their life, and is deeply ashamed that they do

That analogy is the Yugo of analogies.

you're the Toyota of making analogies

Every single one bursts into flames and explodes :P

SoulGate

Oh man. Talk about some stupid peripherals. Amazon has this.... thing. I don't know who would buy it or why, but they have it.

http://www.amazon.com/PS3-Assault-Rifle-Controller-Playstation-3/dp/B003E8LA7M/ref=pe_23950_16003780_as_img_20/

Yes, it's an assault rifle shaped controller. no it's not a lightgun, so pointing it does no good. it has a freakin' speaker so you can have sounds come from the gun AND the game. WHHHYYYYY.

Cameron_Talley

SoulGate wrote: »

Oh man. Talk about some stupid peripherals. Amazon has this.... thing. I don't know who would buy it or why, but they have it.

http://www.amazon.com/PS3-Assault-Rifle-Controller-Playstation-3/dp/B003E8LA7M/ref=pe_23950_16003780_as_img_20/

Yes, it's an assault rifle shaped controller. no it's not a lightgun, so pointing it does no good. it has a freakin' speaker so you can have sounds come from the gun AND the game. WHHHYYYYY.

Reminds me of the RE4 Chainsaw controller.

As for 3DS: $189.

Rent

SoulGate wrote: »

Oh man. Talk about some stupid peripherals. Amazon has this.... thing. I don't know who would buy it or why, but they have it.

http://www.amazon.com/PS3-Assault-Rifle-Controller-Playstation-3/dp/B003E8LA7M/ref=pe_23950_16003780_as_img_20/

Yes, it's an assault rifle shaped controller. no it's not a lightgun, so pointing it does no good. it has a freakin' speaker so you can have sounds come from the gun AND the game. WHHHYYYYY.

look at that fuckin' douche wearing the faux ACU top and cap

EARTH TO YOU YOU ARE NOT IN THE MILITARY, HOLDING A FAUX M16 DOES NOT MAKE YOU CLOSER TO BEING A SOLDIER

edit- that's more of an M4 carbine. STILL

Santa Claustrophobia

Somebody made a fucking controller in the shape of a bloody chainsaw. Why is this so unique?