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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Bayonetta is down to like £9 for today only.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2010
    On the other hand, I'm not sure I'd want to see the movie trend come to video games where an R rated movie gets edited down to a PG-13 to sell more tickets. The ratings system for movies is so effective that executive meddling leads to movies having this done to them.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    This legislation will get struck down, just like the dozen or so other attempts to do this.

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  • mere_immortalmere_immortal So tasty!Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Maybe it's just being from the UK, but I don't see the rage behind this. Seems pretty normal to stop exposing kids to too much violence/sex/swearing etc.

    I mean I'm pretty liberal and nothing is stopping the kid's parents from getting them the game anyway. Might even allow the parents to bond with their kids more by getting themselves involved in their hobby.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Keep in mind that the Governator is on his way out this year. So he's doing all he can to shore up his bona fides as a 'family friendly' republican.

    I can't remember having this much fun since Pete Wilson crammed a whole bunch of stupid shit onto the books in his last year. Including changing the OT rules (after 40 hours in a week instead of 8 in a day and 40 per week). Oh and encouraging the electricity deregulation and then blaming the subsequent problems on Grey Davis which led to the farce that was the recall election...

    You know what? California probably would be better off if it just fell into the ocean... Of course, it'd take everything with it.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2010
    Keep in mind that the Governator is on his way out this year. So he's doing all he can to shore up his bona fides as a 'family friendly' republican.

    I can't remember having this much fun since Pete Wilson crammed a whole bunch of stupid shit onto the books in his last year. Including changing the OT rules (after 40 hours in a week instead of 8 in a day and 40 per week). Oh and encouraging the electricity deregulation and then blaming the subsequent problems on Grey Davis which led to the farce that was the recall election...

    You know what? California probably would be better off if it just fell into the ocean... Of course, it'd take everything with it.


    Its already going to fall off, as prophecised by John Carpenter and the Books of Snake Plisken.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2010
    Because allowing states to decide what artistic media can be sold and which ones cannot leads to fundies being able to censor things they don't like.

    See also: the fact that books have zero ratings and society seems to be just fine (although I have a tragic story involving children's items from working at the library)

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  • Warlock82Warlock82 Never pet a burning dog Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    You know what? California probably would be better off if it just fell into the ocean... Of course, it'd take everything with it.

    You guys realize there are a crapload of video game studios in California, right? :P

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    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Because allowing states to decide what artistic media can be sold and which ones cannot leads to fundies being able to censor things they don't like.

    See also: the fact that books have zero ratings and society seems to be just fine (although I have a tragic story involving children's items from working at the library)

    To be fair, books don't have pictures :P Also, no one reads anymore. But certainly there have been issues with books in the past - hence all the talk of "book burnings" throughout history.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    See also: the fact that books have zero ratings and society seems to be just fine (although I have a tragic story involving children's items from working at the library)
    Why don't we have voluntary ratings for books? It seems like it would be easier to have the bigger publishers do it considering they could just take the most salacious or violent portions and give them to the voluntary ratings organization so it probably wouldn't be too expensive for most of them.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Couscous wrote: »
    See also: the fact that books have zero ratings and society seems to be just fine (although I have a tragic story involving children's items from working at the library)
    Why don't we have voluntary ratings for books? It seems like it would be easier to have the bigger publishers do it considering they could just take the most salacious or violent portions and give them to the voluntary ratings organization so it probably wouldn't be too expensive for most of them.

    Why would they do that when no one complains about it?

    Really. I think the lack of book ratings has more to do with written literature being grandfathered in as far as society goes.

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  • LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Unlike most of the .X scores, .9 actually makes sense as I see it. Think of it as though your lecturer gives you 69% as opposed to 70%. They're sending a solid message, that your work is really good, but it lacks that certain something to push it into the bracket of top class quality.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    1. It isn't a national thing. It is limited to one state. The fact the state is large doesn't mean that isn't a problem.
    2. First Amendment. The law doesn't just ban obscene crap.
    3. It doesn't ban games with a particular rating from being sold to minors. It bans "violent video games" from being sold to minors. Their definition: game in which the range of options available to a player includes killing, maiming, dismembering, or sexually assaulting an image of a human being. This would include the Sims.
    4. The retardation of the law doesn't stop there. It will also require that "'violent' video games to bear a two-inch-by-two-inch sticker with a "solid white '18' outlined in black" on their front covers. That's over twice the size of the labels that currently adorn game-box covers and display the familiar Entertainment Software Ratings Board (ESRB) rating."
    5. This shit would be considered unacceptable with movies. It shouldn't be considered acceptable with games.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Leitner wrote: »
    Unlike most of the .X scores, .9 actually makes sense as I see it. Think of it as though your lecturer gives you 69% as opposed to 70%. They're sending a solid message, that your work is really good, but it lacks that certain something to push it into the bracket of top class quality.

    Don't be silly. That is what an 89% is for. I tend to hate those kinds of lecturers.

    The grading score for school already sucks. I don't see the reason to import a lot of the bullshit into reviewing games.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Video games aren't the same as some term paper. And the companies that make them don't respond well to carrots on sticks. If you're giving a number score, whole numbers and halfs should be enough. 6.9 for a video game really feels like the reviewer couldn't commit that extra .1 just to be petty.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I just think it has moreso to do with game reviewers simply not being able to stand firm in their opinions.

    And that is partially(mainly) their fault and somewhat the fault of their fans.

    I remember the shitstorm that was caused on Gamespot when they game one of the Zelda games got a less than perfect score even though the review was pretty favorable.

    And don't forget that whole thing with Kane & Lynch way back when.

    That being said, it is basically selling out on their end. Since most review sites are more concerned about keeping fans(hits) and staying on good terms with publishers(usually the ones who pay the bills with ads) than having any real integrity.

    Heck, why do you think smaller titles always get shitted on compared to bigger titles unless they're amazing. That's the hypocrisy that annoys me about the system more than anything.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2010
    That too. The review side and production side of the video game industry is too intertwined.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    We need more shitcanning of big blockbusters. Those make for the most enjoyable reviews with movies.

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  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I don't know if it's done much anymore, but I remember my local newspaper used to preview all the movies expected out over the next three months. They'd do this at the beginning of the new season. It's how I know three months before it was released that Last Action Hero was going to bomb...

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  • UncleSporkyUncleSporky Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    I remember the shitstorm that was caused on Gamespot when they game one of the Zelda games got a less than perfect score even though the review was pretty favorable.

    The problem isn't giving a game a less-than-perfect score. If they want to use a slightly different scale and reserve 9s and 10s for games that are supposedly truly great, there's nothing wrong with that. The problem is that they don't do that, and it's an inconsistency with themselves and with other review sites.

    If every major site gives, I dunno, Prince of Persia an 8, Gears of War a 9, Mario Galaxy a 10, and Dark Void a 6, but the distribution for Zelda looks like 10-10-10-8-10-10, I think some incredulity is warranted. No matter which game it applies to.

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  • PureauthorPureauthor Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I remember when the guy specifically said that the Wii version of TP was the better version but gave the Gamecube version the better score.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    I remember the shitstorm that was caused on Gamespot when they game one of the Zelda games got a less than perfect score even though the review was pretty favorable.

    The problem isn't giving a game a less-than-perfect score. If they want to use a slightly different scale and reserve 9s and 10s for games that are supposedly truly great, there's nothing wrong with that. The problem is that they don't do that, and it's an inconsistency with themselves and with other review sites.

    If every major site gives, I dunno, Prince of Persia an 8, Gears of War a 9, Mario Galaxy a 10, and Dark Void a 6, but the distribution for Zelda looks like 10-10-10-8-10-10, I think some incredulity is warranted. No matter which game it applies to.

    And that shows another problem with the number system to begin with. It's too focused on the score attached to the review than the review itself.

    Like I said. The Zelda review was generally favorable, they just didn't think it was perfect like most of people reviewing it. And simply because it got a 8.5 instead of a 9.5 that was some great travesty.

    The four star system tends to work better for movies because since the numbers are so close together it forces the reader to pay more attention to what the reviewer is saying.

    There is a big different between a 2 star movie that's actually 2.2 stars and a 2 star movie that is 2.8 stars. But since their both rated 2 stars the reader has to pay more attention to what the person is saying.

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Ah, the fun of game review scores. As long as scores are consistent within a site, I'm fine with them, but the problem arises when you average them out over several websites like metacritic & gamerankings does. I know that a 5/10 on Eurogamer probably equals a 80% on IGN & a 2.5/5 on RPGamer, but gamerankings sure doesn't.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I'm still a little iffy on Eurogamer myself since I don't think they're completely free of bias.

    I mean they gave Fable 2 a 10/10.

    >_>;

    <_<;

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Did we really hit 99 pages with another rant on review scores?

    Ah well, new thread.

    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?p=15625909#post15625909

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    I'm still a little iffy on Eurogamer myself since I don't think they're completely free of bias.

    I mean they gave Fable 2 a 10/10.

    >_>

    <_<.

    Point taken. Maybe it was just me, but I found Fable 2 horrendously unfun. Looked pretty though.

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  • corin7corin7 San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    I'm still a little iffy on Eurogamer myself since I don't think they're completely free of bias.

    I mean they gave Fable 2 a 10/10.

    >_>

    <_<.

    Point taken. Maybe it was just me, but I found Fable 2 horrendously unfun. Looked pretty though.

    It was beautiful no question. But so easy it is hard to even classify it as a game. I have a serious love\hate thing happening with Fable 2. It was not a 10/10 game tho.

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  • SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Dragkonias wrote: »
    I remember the shitstorm that was caused on Gamespot when they game one of the Zelda games got a less than perfect score even though the review was pretty favorable.

    The problem isn't giving a game a less-than-perfect score. If they want to use a slightly different scale and reserve 9s and 10s for games that are supposedly truly great, there's nothing wrong with that. The problem is that they don't do that, and it's an inconsistency with themselves and with other review sites.

    If every major site gives, I dunno, Prince of Persia an 8, Gears of War a 9, Mario Galaxy a 10, and Dark Void a 6, but the distribution for Zelda looks like 10-10-10-8-10-10, I think some incredulity is warranted. No matter which game it applies to.

    Sounds like the same nervous assholes who freaked out about MGS4 "only" getting a 9.8, and not being regarded as the second coming of Christ.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    It's not at 100 yet

    Quit rushing people

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  • -Loki--Loki- Don't pee in my mouth and tell me it's raining. Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    This is why I liked an old Aussie game mag for reviews. They rarely gave 10's, great games tended to get 8's or 9's, and their fully made use of their 1-10 scale, not just having it as a 6-10 scale. At least they used to, last I checked they'd started doing the IGN/Gamespot thing and marking on a 6-10 scale, which is annoying.

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  • DaveTheWaveDaveTheWave Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Yeah, I remember when Hyper>> was good. But that is of a bygone era.

    Actually, I'm not sure it was ever good, just better than the majority. Also, it was before the rise of the internet led to the obselecence of print media.

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