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cloudeagle

This youtube will answer your question:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2t1Nh0J_38

wonderpug

With the Xbox 1's Controller S it stood for "Akebono.":?

claypoolfan

Is that kid in the new PSP campaign the same kid from Role Models?

Guek

am i the only that thinks the new 360 is kind of ugly?

cloudeagle

So Tycho finally weighed in with his commentary on the comic. And so, the answer to the question of whether the comic was pro- or anti-Kinect is:

Kinect, being an onyx lozenge bristling with a combination of sensing "eyes" and licking "beams," has an inherent Fear Quotient (FQ). It generates a base amount of human terror simply by being plugged in. And after as little as twenty minutes spent observing human targets, test units are (reportedly) resting in puddles of acrid, burning saliva.

I understand that we're supposed to envision Move and Kinect on some kind of Madison Square Garden fight poster, but I'm not entirely sure these are comparable products. Move attempts to split the baby, which is (metaphorically speaking) a noble gesture: one that attempts to make converts of their existing base while courting the wider world. Is that something that works? We'll see. It's much more suited to traditional games (which is to say, suited to them at all) which makes catalyzing a user base a safer bet. Kinect is still crazypants, but it's hard to predict the result.

Much of the Kinect dialogue is taking place at a level of sophistication that doesn't intersect at all with its intended audience. The population at large doesn't talk about experiences in terms of their framerate, their refresh, or milliseconds. Asking "how will you play the Halos on Kinect" is like asking how you could make ice cream in a bird's nest. People who play the (ahem) "Halos" seem pretty happy with controllers as a method of player interaction, and in a genre that trades on fractions of a second, it's a proven mechanism. I don't want to say it's a stupid question, but it's certainly the wrong question - that is to say, it's not a question about the Kinect as an input methodology. The Kinect would be profoundly and uniquely bad as a primary controller for an FPS. That isn't what it is designed to do.

You cannot - in all seriousness - make the claim that the problem with the Xbox 360 is its dearth of shooters.

Look at the racing experiences shown: by comparison, Mario Kart is more hardcore. These Kinect racers are games without brakes or acceleration, for Chrissakes. There have been demos in the past that featured acceleration and braking by shifting your foot forward and backward on the floor, but such demos were not in evidence at E3 this year, and they're not important for this discussion anyway. These are heavily abstracted experiences, by the standards of those who love this medium, and abstractions are generally seen (again, by us) as dilutions of purpose. Is that notion true for the people they want to buy this thing? If you identify the fun part of an interaction, and distill it, is that enough? Do those people - them, the usurpers - care that they are not being given an accurate simulation, so long as they may drive a Ferrari?

This whole notion is ash in my mouth.

People who identify deeply with this pastime would never in a million years have foreseen the rise of the Wii, and of this new type of player, whose mysterious predilections and coherent purchasing beam now grip the rudder of an industry. I'd say that enthusiast gamers are singularly bad at predicting broad market success. If we don't like something, collectively, if our hatred for it throbs like an abscess beneath every thread, does that mean that they're doing something right?

....I have no fucking clue. A big chunk of his thrice-weekly torrent of words are completely baffling, and much of what isn't baffling is unnecessarily complex. And this is coming from a guy with a damn MA in English.

Rivulent

Xaquin wrote: »

cloudeagle wrote: »

So here's what's replacing the red ring of death:

RRoD may be gone by omission, but that doesn't mean your new Xbox 360 won't occasionally give you the evil eye. Case in point: this 250GB unit spotted over at NeoGAF, which has a red dot smack dab in the center of the power button. What message is it trying to convey?

snip

snip


http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/21/new-xbox-360-has-red-dot-of-death-instead-not-quite/

insufficient ventilation? Looks like it's sitting on an entertainment center with nothing covering the vent. I hope that doesn't become a problem.

Didn't you hear? The Xbox 360 S was designed to be housed inside of your freezer. They didn't give us integrated wifi for nothing.



Seriously though, this reassures my non-hypedness for the 360 S. And I'm a happy 360 owner as is.

ginguskahn

Guek wrote: »

am i the only that thinks the new 360 is kind of ugly?

No, I think its horrible.

Sheep

cloudeagle wrote: »

So Tycho finally weighed in with his commentary on the comic. And so, the answer to the question of whether the comic was pro- or anti-Kinect is:

Kinect, being an onyx lozenge bristling with a combination of sensing "eyes" and licking "beams," has an inherent Fear Quotient (FQ). It generates a base amount of human terror simply by being plugged in. And after as little as twenty minutes spent observing human targets, test units are (reportedly) resting in puddles of acrid, burning saliva.

I understand that we're supposed to envision Move and Kinect on some kind of Madison Square Garden fight poster, but I'm not entirely sure these are comparable products. Move attempts to split the baby, which is (metaphorically speaking) a noble gesture: one that attempts to make converts of their existing base while courting the wider world. Is that something that works? We'll see. It's much more suited to traditional games (which is to say, suited to them at all) which makes catalyzing a user base a safer bet. Kinect is still crazypants, but it's hard to predict the result.

Much of the Kinect dialogue is taking place at a level of sophistication that doesn't intersect at all with its intended audience. The population at large doesn't talk about experiences in terms of their framerate, their refresh, or milliseconds. Asking "how will you play the Halos on Kinect" is like asking how you could make ice cream in a bird's nest. People who play the (ahem) "Halos" seem pretty happy with controllers as a method of player interaction, and in a genre that trades on fractions of a second, it's a proven mechanism. I don't want to say it's a stupid question, but it's certainly the wrong question - that is to say, it's not a question about the Kinect as an input methodology. The Kinect would be profoundly and uniquely bad as a primary controller for an FPS. That isn't what it is designed to do.

You cannot - in all seriousness - make the claim that the problem with the Xbox 360 is its dearth of shooters.

Look at the racing experiences shown: by comparison, Mario Kart is more hardcore. These Kinect racers are games without brakes or acceleration, for Chrissakes. There have been demos in the past that featured acceleration and braking by shifting your foot forward and backward on the floor, but such demos were not in evidence at E3 this year, and they're not important for this discussion anyway. These are heavily abstracted experiences, by the standards of those who love this medium, and abstractions are generally seen (again, by us) as dilutions of purpose. Is that notion true for the people they want to buy this thing? If you identify the fun part of an interaction, and distill it, is that enough? Do those people - them, the usurpers - care that they are not being given an accurate simulation, so long as they may drive a Ferrari?

This whole notion is ash in my mouth.

People who identify deeply with this pastime would never in a million years have foreseen the rise of the Wii, and of this new type of player, whose mysterious predilections and coherent purchasing beam now grip the rudder of an industry. I'd say that enthusiast gamers are singularly bad at predicting broad market success. If we don't like something, collectively, if our hatred for it throbs like an abscess beneath every thread, does that mean that they're doing something right?

....I have no fucking clue. A big chunk of his thrice-weekly torrent of words are completely baffling, and much of what isn't baffling is unnecessarily complex. And this is coming from a guy with a damn MA in English.

I think me and Tycho largely agree on Move/Kinect.

Guek

cloudeagle wrote: »

So Tycho finally weighed in with his commentary on the comic. And so, the answer to the question of whether the comic was pro- or anti-Kinect is:

blah blah blah

....I have no fucking clue. A big chunk of his thrice-weekly torrent of words are completely baffling, and much of what isn't baffling is unnecessarily complex. And this is coming from a guy with a damn MA in English.

he's saying that judging by the types of demos they showed at E3, kinect doesn't really make that much sense to him, but that perhaps long time gamers might not be the best people to go to for an evaluation of the platform.

Wassermelone

Rivulent wrote: »

Didn't you hear? The Xbox 360 S was designed to be housed inside of your freezer. They didn't give us integrated wifi for nothing.



Seriously though, this reassures my non-hypedness for the 360 S. And I'm a happy 360 owner as is.

My new 360 is doing fine. Will you apply that to every other new 360 out there or is that something you will do only when theres something wrong? Hardware fails, its a given. So a single report of one 360 with an issue really isn't remarkable in any way.

Rakai wrote: »

Sheep wrote: »

Cameron_Talley wrote: »

This "slim" Xbox doesn't seem very slim...

Did they ever call it the Slim? Cause I think that's largely a media construct.

It's called the Xbox 360 S. Take a guess at what the S means.

Its not Xbox 360 S, its Xbox 360 250gb

Seriously. I don't think theres any S on the packaging.

cloudeagle

Guek wrote: »

cloudeagle wrote: »

So Tycho finally weighed in with his commentary on the comic. And so, the answer to the question of whether the comic was pro- or anti-Kinect is:

blah blah blah

....I have no fucking clue. A big chunk of his thrice-weekly torrent of words are completely baffling, and much of what isn't baffling is unnecessarily complex. And this is coming from a guy with a damn MA in English.

he's saying that judging by the types of demos they showed at E3, kinect doesn't really make that much sense to him, but that perhaps long time gamers might not be the best people to go to for an evaluation of the platform.

I can grasp that, but all that doesn't give us any help as to how to interpret this:



The Kinect hates us? Or certain people? I guess?

Guek

ginguskahn wrote: »

Guek wrote: »

am i the only that thinks the new 360 is kind of ugly?

No, I think its horrible.

i'd certainly never use it while standing in fear of scratching my discs and it seems to me that the concave sides looked much nicer when laying flat on its side. the gloss isn't helping any either.

cloudeagle: i think you're overthinking it. half of the point of that strip is a penis joke.

lowlylowlycook

cloudeagle wrote: »

So Tycho finally weighed in with his commentary on the comic. And so, the answer to the question of whether the comic was pro- or anti-Kinect is:

Kinect, being an onyx lozenge bristling with a combination of sensing "eyes" and licking "beams," has an inherent Fear Quotient (FQ). It generates a base amount of human terror simply by being plugged in. And after as little as twenty minutes spent observing human targets, test units are (reportedly) resting in puddles of acrid, burning saliva.

I understand that we're supposed to envision Move and Kinect on some kind of Madison Square Garden fight poster, but I'm not entirely sure these are comparable products. Move attempts to split the baby, which is (metaphorically speaking) a noble gesture: one that attempts to make converts of their existing base while courting the wider world. Is that something that works? We'll see. It's much more suited to traditional games (which is to say, suited to them at all) which makes catalyzing a user base a safer bet. Kinect is still crazypants, but it's hard to predict the result.

Much of the Kinect dialogue is taking place at a level of sophistication that doesn't intersect at all with its intended audience. The population at large doesn't talk about experiences in terms of their framerate, their refresh, or milliseconds. Asking "how will you play the Halos on Kinect" is like asking how you could make ice cream in a bird's nest. People who play the (ahem) "Halos" seem pretty happy with controllers as a method of player interaction, and in a genre that trades on fractions of a second, it's a proven mechanism. I don't want to say it's a stupid question, but it's certainly the wrong question - that is to say, it's not a question about the Kinect as an input methodology. The Kinect would be profoundly and uniquely bad as a primary controller for an FPS. That isn't what it is designed to do.

You cannot - in all seriousness - make the claim that the problem with the Xbox 360 is its dearth of shooters.

Look at the racing experiences shown: by comparison, Mario Kart is more hardcore. These Kinect racers are games without brakes or acceleration, for Chrissakes. There have been demos in the past that featured acceleration and braking by shifting your foot forward and backward on the floor, but such demos were not in evidence at E3 this year, and they're not important for this discussion anyway. These are heavily abstracted experiences, by the standards of those who love this medium, and abstractions are generally seen (again, by us) as dilutions of purpose. Is that notion true for the people they want to buy this thing? If you identify the fun part of an interaction, and distill it, is that enough? Do those people - them, the usurpers - care that they are not being given an accurate simulation, so long as they may drive a Ferrari?

This whole notion is ash in my mouth.

People who identify deeply with this pastime would never in a million years have foreseen the rise of the Wii, and of this new type of player, whose mysterious predilections and coherent purchasing beam now grip the rudder of an industry. I'd say that enthusiast gamers are singularly bad at predicting broad market success. If we don't like something, collectively, if our hatred for it throbs like an abscess beneath every thread, does that mean that they're doing something right?

....I have no fucking clue. A big chunk of his thrice-weekly torrent of words are completely baffling, and much of what isn't baffling is unnecessarily complex. And this is coming from a guy with a damn MA in English.

The comic seems to be about the first paragraph. Maybe you have to see in lurking on your TV to understand.

The rest seem to be "gaf hates Kinect so it will sell like mad" but with more words.

Sipex

cloudeagle wrote: »

Guek wrote: »

cloudeagle wrote: »

So Tycho finally weighed in with his commentary on the comic. And so, the answer to the question of whether the comic was pro- or anti-Kinect is:

blah blah blah

....I have no fucking clue. A big chunk of his thrice-weekly torrent of words are completely baffling, and much of what isn't baffling is unnecessarily complex. And this is coming from a guy with a damn MA in English.

he's saying that judging by the types of demos they showed at E3, kinect doesn't really make that much sense to him, but that perhaps long time gamers might not be the best people to go to for an evaluation of the platform.

I can grasp that, but all that doesn't give us any help as to how to interpret this:

image

The Kinect hates us? Or certain people? I guess?

I took it as

"This thing could gradually cure your cancer while you play it and gamers would just be awed because it can read movement"

Rubix42

cloudeagle wrote: »

Guek wrote: »

cloudeagle wrote: »

So Tycho finally weighed in with his commentary on the comic. And so, the answer to the question of whether the comic was pro- or anti-Kinect is:

blah blah blah

....I have no fucking clue. A big chunk of his thrice-weekly torrent of words are completely baffling, and much of what isn't baffling is unnecessarily complex. And this is coming from a guy with a damn MA in English.

he's saying that judging by the types of demos they showed at E3, kinect doesn't really make that much sense to him, but that perhaps long time gamers might not be the best people to go to for an evaluation of the platform.

I can grasp that, but all that doesn't give us any help as to how to interpret this:
snip.

The Kinect hates us? Or certain people? I guess?

I dunno if I will like the Kinect or Move at all. But I can tell you that the advertising does about nothing for me. However, my wife who plays like 2 games a year when I beg, saw promo videos for both and asked about release dates and games she'd be playing with our 2 and 4 year old. So, yeah.

Rakai

Wassermelone wrote: »

Rivulent wrote: »

Didn't you hear? The Xbox 360 S was designed to be housed inside of your freezer. They didn't give us integrated wifi for nothing.



Seriously though, this reassures my non-hypedness for the 360 S. And I'm a happy 360 owner as is.

My new 360 is doing fine. Will you apply that to every other new 360 out there or is that something you will do only when theres something wrong? Hardware fails, its a given. So a single report of one 360 with an issue really isn't remarkable in any way.

Rakai wrote: »

Sheep wrote: »

Cameron_Talley wrote: »

This "slim" Xbox doesn't seem very slim...

Did they ever call it the Slim? Cause I think that's largely a media construct.

It's called the Xbox 360 S. Take a guess at what the S means.

Its not Xbox 360 S, its Xbox 360 250gb

Seriously. I don't think theres any S on the packaging.

http://support.xbox.com/support/en/us/nxe/hardware/console/xbox360s/default.aspx

It may not be on the packaging (I haven't looked), but it's listed as the Xbox 360 S on the official support page.

Warlock82

Guek wrote: »

cloudeagle wrote: »

So Tycho finally weighed in with his commentary on the comic. And so, the answer to the question of whether the comic was pro- or anti-Kinect is:

blah blah blah

....I have no fucking clue. A big chunk of his thrice-weekly torrent of words are completely baffling, and much of what isn't baffling is unnecessarily complex. And this is coming from a guy with a damn MA in English.

he's saying that judging by the types of demos they showed at E3, kinect doesn't really make that much sense to him, but that perhaps long time gamers might not be the best people to go to for an evaluation of the platform.

Yeah, pretty much this is what he's saying I think.

But honestly, I think price is going to have a bigger impact on whether it sells than anything. I have a feeling that even those interested in what Kinect has to offer will be turned off by how expensive the whole experience will end up being. I mean, Wii was $250 at launch. Kinect (with console) is looking to be twice that. I don't see "the same as Wii but in HD" as equating to double the cost for most people.

Wassermelone

Rakai wrote: »

It may not be on the packaging (I haven't looked), but it's listed as the Xbox 360 S on the official support page.

Ah wierd!

Seems like an odd case of a lack of consensus even within the company on the name for the product.

Santa Claustrophobia

So Tycho used a crapload of words and nobody fully understands them or their relation to the comic.


That sounds about right.

ginguskahn

Guek wrote: »

ginguskahn wrote: »

Guek wrote: »

am i the only that thinks the new 360 is kind of ugly?

No, I think its horrible.

i'd certainly never use it while standing in fear of scratching my discs and it seems to me that the concave sides looked much nicer when laying flat on its side. the gloss isn't helping any either.

cloudeagle: i think you're overthinking it. half of the point of that strip is a penis joke.

The gloss is the killer for me, plus it looks like someone attacked a 360 with a ruler, and then made it out of left over parts from an oXbox. Also its deeper than a 360, and only marginally shorter. If they had been able to do away with the power brick completely I could have forgiven it... but otherwise it seems pointless, id rather a 250gb elite.

Rivulent

Wassermelone wrote: »

Rivulent wrote: »

Didn't you hear? The Xbox 360 S was designed to be housed inside of your freezer. They didn't give us integrated wifi for nothing.



Seriously though, this reassures my non-hypedness for the 360 S. And I'm a happy 360 owner as is.

My new 360 is doing fine. Will you apply that to every other new 360 out there or is that something you will do only when theres something wrong? Hardware fails, its a given. So a single report of one 360 with an issue really isn't remarkable in any way.

Apply what? That they will all crash? No, of course not. Regardless, it was a joke. I Have a 360 that red-ringed, and Microsoft was pretty cool about refurbing it and getting back to me within a few weeks.

What surprises me more is not that the overheating problems occur, its that a revision of a system five years senior may very well be subject to the same problems all over again. Only time will tell, I suppose.

Darlan

The question to me at this point is, if you were to buy a 360 today, would you get the new S model for $300 or the Elite Spring Bundle, the old 360 with 120 GBs of space (which sounds sufficient to me) as well as ODST and Forza 3 all for $250?

The new model is nice-looking and all, but is it $50 and two good games better looking?

Sheep

Rivulent wrote: »

Apply what? That they will all crash? No, of course not. Regardless, it was a joke. I Have a 360 that red-ringed, and Microsoft was pretty cool about refurbing it and getting back to me within a few weeks.

What surprises me more is not that the overheating problems occur, its that a revision of a system five years senior may very well be subject to the same problems all over again. Only time will tell, I suppose.

I find the pictures suspect. Not necessarily their authenticity, but the fact that it happened after... what? A few days from being announced?

UncleSporky

Darlan wrote: »

The question to me at this point is, if you were to buy a 360 today, would you get the new S model for $300 or the Elite Spring Bundle, the old 360 with 120 GBs of space (which sounds sufficient to me) as well as ODST and Forza 3 all for $250?

The new model is nice-looking and all, but is it $50 and two good games better looking?

What are the death rates for each?

cloudeagle

Sheep wrote: »

Rivulent wrote: »

Apply what? That they will all crash? No, of course not. Regardless, it was a joke. I Have a 360 that red-ringed, and Microsoft was pretty cool about refurbing it and getting back to me within a few weeks.

What surprises me more is not that the overheating problems occur, its that a revision of a system five years senior may very well be subject to the same problems all over again. Only time will tell, I suppose.

I find the pictures suspect. Not necessarily their authenticity, but the fact that it happened after... what? A few days from being announced?

A few days after being on sale, you forget.

I think the implication is that Microsoft, wary after being burned by the RROD fiasco, made the heat detection in the 360 Ran Around the Block a Few Times a little overzealous.

Wassermelone

Darlan wrote: »

The question to me at this point is, if you were to buy a 360 today, would you get the new S model for $300 or the Elite Spring Bundle, the old 360 with 120 GBs of space (which sounds sufficient to me) as well as ODST and Forza 3 all for $250?

The new model is nice-looking and all, but is it $50 and two good games better looking?

Well it certainly doesn't help the 250$ price that they are two games I don't really care about :P

But yeah,
- More hdd space
- Built in wifi (the seperate wifi adaptor is 80-100 bucks )
- Less energy, yaay. Although I really have to wonder how long you would have to have it on before it equaled 50 bucks in energy bill savings.

Darlan

UncleSporky wrote: »

Darlan wrote: »

The question to me at this point is, if you were to buy a 360 today, would you get the new S model for $300 or the Elite Spring Bundle, the old 360 with 120 GBs of space (which sounds sufficient to me) as well as ODST and Forza 3 all for $250?

The new model is nice-looking and all, but is it $50 and two good games better looking?

What are the death rates for each?

I don't think we even know the rates for the old ones for sure, but I think it's somewhere in the 50% margin, and we won't even have a decent guess at the new ones for a while. Then again, the 3 year RROD warranty helps a lot there too.

Warlock82

Sheep wrote: »

Rivulent wrote: »

Apply what? That they will all crash? No, of course not. Regardless, it was a joke. I Have a 360 that red-ringed, and Microsoft was pretty cool about refurbing it and getting back to me within a few weeks.

What surprises me more is not that the overheating problems occur, its that a revision of a system five years senior may very well be subject to the same problems all over again. Only time will tell, I suppose.

I find the pictures suspect. Not necessarily their authenticity, but the fact that it happened after... what? A few days from being announced?

Law of averages. There's no way the system is going to be 100% reliable. Hell, maybe the dude kept his in a 100 degree room with no ventilation and a towel covering the system vents. Maybe his was made with faulty materials? Who knows?

Either way, stuff breaks - it doesn't have to be old for that to happen. I'm not really surprised *someone's* 360 Slim has broken already, even if the thing just came out.

maximumzero

Wassermelone wrote: »

Darlan wrote: »

The question to me at this point is, if you were to buy a 360 today, would you get the new S model for $300 or the Elite Spring Bundle, the old 360 with 120 GBs of space (which sounds sufficient to me) as well as ODST and Forza 3 all for $250?

The new model is nice-looking and all, but is it $50 and two good games better looking?

Well it certainly doesn't help the 250$ price that they are two games I don't really care about :P

But yeah,
- More hdd space
- Built in wifi (the seperate wifi adaptor is 80-100 bucks )
- Less energy, yaay. Although I really have to wonder how long you would have to have it on before it equaled 50 bucks in energy bill savings.

I'm got one of the falcon models (Back when Marvel Ultimate Alliance & Forza 2 were bundled) 20GB HDD. I've got a Ethernet cable stretched across to my iMac to share it's internet connection.

If I wanted to upgrade the HDD and add wireless I'd be looking at at least $200, so getting a slightly smaller system that runs cooler might be worthwhile in the long run. (My current 360 makes my room at least 15 degrees hotter when it's on.)

Edit: If only it was white.

Sheep

cloudeagle wrote: »

A few days after being on sale, you forget.

I think the implication is that Microsoft, wary after being burned by the RROD fiasco, made the heat detection in the 360 Ran Around the Block a Few Times a little overzealous.

Or that picture can be a "setup". Meaning, someone intentionally messed with their system in an attempt to recreate the RROD and see what happens.

Not saying it was done for nefarious reasons or anything.

We just can't assume much from a picture of a system, and then a picture of a warning screen.

Rivulent

Warlock82 wrote: »

Sheep wrote: »

Rivulent wrote: »

Apply what? That they will all crash? No, of course not. Regardless, it was a joke. I Have a 360 that red-ringed, and Microsoft was pretty cool about refurbing it and getting back to me within a few weeks.

What surprises me more is not that the overheating problems occur, its that a revision of a system five years senior may very well be subject to the same problems all over again. Only time will tell, I suppose.

I find the pictures suspect. Not necessarily their authenticity, but the fact that it happened after... what? A few days from being announced?

Law of averages. There's no way the system is going to be 100% reliable. Hell, maybe the dude kept his in a 100 degree room with no ventilation and a towel covering the system vents. Maybe his was made with faulty materials? Who knows?

Either way, stuff breaks - it doesn't have to be old for that to happen. I'm not really surprised *someone's* 360 Slim has broken already, even if the thing just came out.

Point well taken. I suppose the first thing someone would do when there brand new slim model overheats is take pictures to show the interwebs. As far as the situation being dubious is concerned... I agree, it seems crazy that in that specific circumstance (clearly ventilation space all around in the picture), that it would overheat.

Whats the alternative, though? That someone wrapped their xbox in a blanket, waited for it to overheat, and snap some shots? Sounds crazy. Although, I know a lawyer who handled a case where a carpenter cut off his own hand to (try to) collect disability.

Wassermelone

Yeah part of the reason I upgraded (which is a bit sad in Microsoft's direction) is I still had one of the early 360s before all the Falcon, Jasper stuff. No HDMI port even. So, with a trade in, I had a much better 360 that wasn't waiting for its inevitable death.

I can certainly see people with the recent Elites not upgrading.

cloudeagle

Sheep wrote: »

cloudeagle wrote: »

A few days after being on sale, you forget.

I think the implication is that Microsoft, wary after being burned by the RROD fiasco, made the heat detection in the 360 Ran Around the Block a Few Times a little overzealous.

Or that picture can be a "setup". Meaning, someone intentionally messed with their system in an attempt to recreate the RROD and see what happens.

Not saying it was done for nefarious reasons or anything.

We just can't assume much from a picture of a system, and then a picture of a warning screen.

That's why I said "implication." If this really is a problem I'm sure we'll be hearing about it more in the near future. If it's not, we won't.

Beltaine

To me, Kinect makes more sense to be marketed and sold as a home theater/home automation integration device.

Eliminates the need for remote controls while adding voice and gesture commands. Can recognize when and what users enter the room by their body shape and set lighting, audio, turn on preferred devices and set system preferences automatically.

Basically Kinect becomes the Enterprise's central computer for your entire home.

Instead Microsoft is turning it into a toy you "play" games with.

Am I the only person that feels like they're aiming at the wrong target?

Sagroth

Speaking of the 360 S, not a single Gamestop nearby has any left in stock. Looks like it'll be mid July b4 they get any more also.

Cameron_Talley

Beltaine wrote: »

To me, Kinect makes more sense to be marketed and sold as a home theater/home automation integration device.

Eliminates the need for remote controls while adding voice and gesture commands. Can recognize when and what users enter the room by their body shape and set lighting, audio, turn on preferred devices and set system preferences automatically.

Basically Kinect becomes the Enterprise's central computer for your entire home.

Instead Microsoft is turning it into a toy you "play" games with.

Am I the only person that feels like they're aiming at the wrong target?

While that stuff sounds cool, would it really be? Do you really want to talk to your damn TV? How hard is it to press a button on a remote right now, as opposed to holding out your arm?

I haven't seen anything that suggests Kinect can recognize a user by their body shape.

Sagroth

Also, can anyone tell me if the new console is compatible with the other Xbox's HD component cables? I hear the new one only comes with non-HD and I don't want to spend another $30-50 re-buying cables.

Wassermelone

Sagroth wrote: »

Also, can anyone tell me if the new console is compatible with the other Xbox's HD component cables? I hear the new one only comes with non-HD and I don't want to spend another $30-50 re-buying cables.

monoprice.com

But yeah, I'm pretty sure they are compatible.

AZChristopher

Sheep wrote: »

cloudeagle wrote: »

A few days after being on sale, you forget.

I think the implication is that Microsoft, wary after being burned by the RROD fiasco, made the heat detection in the 360 Ran Around the Block a Few Times a little overzealous.

Or that picture can be a "setup". Meaning, someone intentionally messed with their system in an attempt to recreate the RROD and see what happens.

Not saying it was done for nefarious reasons or anything.

We just can't assume much from a picture of a system, and then a picture of a warning screen.

Which is what I said on the last page. They probably put something on top of the vent to create that message. It isn't even a bad message. More a warning to treat the system better.

Guek

Beltaine wrote: »

To me, Kinect makes more sense to be marketed and sold as a home theater/home automation integration device.

Eliminates the need for remote controls while adding voice and gesture commands. Can recognize when and what users enter the room by their body shape and set lighting, audio, turn on preferred devices and set system preferences automatically.

Basically Kinect becomes the Enterprise's central computer for your entire home.

Instead Microsoft is turning it into a toy you "play" games with.

Am I the only person that feels like they're aiming at the wrong target?

you're describing a niche product that few people would be bothered to deal with. microsoft wants the exact opposite of that :P