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[Mass Effect] Jack and the Ghost of Alenko's Past
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Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.There is a realm of existence, so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I, am beyond your comprehension. I, am Sovereign.
"Your words are as hollow as your future, this exchange, is over"
Also you're still terrible for wanting Samara romance options. Turbbl
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As long as by terrible you mean terribly awesome, then yes... yes I am.
I just beat Overlord. Sad business. Predictable but sad. Also I never found the last package. It was much more satisfying then Kasumi's mission. Now to sit on my ass and wait for more DLC/Mass Effect 3.
Is there a team dedicated to just DLC, to keep the ME3 team from being distracted? I'd hate for my yearning (and everyone else's) for more content to be making progress slow.
Don't take my word as one hundred percent truth, but if I remember correctly, I think a Bioware rep said that they have two teams, one that makes DLC for ME2 and another that is working on ME3.
EDIT: [URL="http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/12/bioware-me2-content-will-be-satisfying-for-players/]Here is where I heard them say that[/URL]
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I wanna screw the justicar though so, ya.
For serious though, getting to know Samara's personality more and getting to learn more about the Justicars and her many adventures as one would be very interesting.
I see what you're getting at, and I think the issue is that Shepard is never allowed to show weakness. All the romance options have something they need help with that only Shepard can accomplish, but there's nothing Shepard needs. Shepard is perfect. Because of this, the romances end up feeling very lopsided.
The exception to this is the Ashley and Kaidan romances.
But I think that Samaras character in particular would be uniquely weakened by a romance.
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Fixed your post.
Samara was, by far, the least interesting character in ME2. Single-minded religious crazies don't make for desirable companions, I think.
She has the worst kind of guilt to bear after all.
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What does it feel like to have such a bad opinion?
Regarding Ashley and Kaiden: That's true, but only because the relationship is balanced by omission. I'd like to see a sub-quest in ME3 where Shepard gets emotionally shaken and it's up to the significant other to help straighten it out. It would be a neat reversal of what we tend to expect from dialogue trees in RPGs.
Judging by what Samara says, I suspect the pureblood hate is deliberately cultivated by the Asari government to curb the chances of Ardat-Yakshi coming to be, and thereby further preventing them from becoming well known.
It's an image thing, they don't want the knowledge that Ardat-Yakshi exist damaging their good racial name.
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I can't even begin to tell you how much I want something like this to happen, Shepard is always solving his companions problems, no one ever asks what Shepard's emotional state is. Subsequently Shepard comes off about as interesting as a brick. And some of the romances come off as completely one sided, because Shepard knows everything about them, and they know nothing about Shepard.
I think that's what bothers me about it. She's flawed, she knows it, and so she lives by some crazy quasi-religious, fanatical code, which makes her an even worse person.
Jack is flawed, knows it, and is trying to get better (depending on how you treat her). Samara just ran off and joined a convent of homicidal killers.
This is a limitation of roleplaying games in general. Would such a scene really come off as believable to us? Shepard kills his way through a fuckbillion things, gets ressurected, and doesn't so much as bat an eyelash and now he's having emotional trauma he needs help with?
It's a lose/lose situation. If the player is in control of a character, it's hard to develop the character without things feeling out of left field. If you want to really develop a character and have him come into his own in a certain way, you can't really have the player dictating his words. Because then there's a disconnect.
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How so?
It's not meant to be a well known thing. Especially to non-Asari.
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Simonwolf
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Especially since it's effectively a ...killer... STD.
Real-world analogy time:
I have this friend, spent most of his 20s chasing after women. Big drinker, he'd cheat on his girlfriend constantly, new women every week, sometimes several. He joined the Navy, became a SEAL, and that made him even worse, for a while. But then he left the SEALs, started working as an IDC. He came home for the holidays a few years ago, right after that. Slept with two sisters in the span of two days. But he's also turned into the arch-conservative guy; shamelessly racist (even though he's Chinese), constantly parroting Rush Limbaugh and the like. Never a religious guy, though.
So he goes home after the holidays, and out of nowhere, joins some church (pentecostal, I believe), meets a girl, and gets engaged in three weeks; married about two months after that. Now all of the sudden, he's lecturing me about morality. Thing is, he's still drinking all the time, still chasing after women, even though he's married, and his only conversations that aren't about work or religion are about how much he hates Mexicans and blacks. But now, he figures, he's got religion, so he's got the moral high ground.
Samara strikes me as being like that. She's not really doing anything to improve herself. She's just joined some crazy cult that tells her it's okay to completely ignore local law and murder a cop who tries to enforce it. She's not better. She's not getting better. She just joined up with some crazies who tell her that what she's doing is okay.
I mean, yeah, killing your own daughter, that's rough, I'd imagine. But look past that one particular mission: she comes off like some sort of interstellar thug; Wrex with none of the charm and charisma.
tl;dr: she's the arrogant, pompous, self-righteous paladin of ME2.
She's a grey character (like most of the ME2 squad), but to call her a thug or simple killer is silly and reductionist.
Galactic law and order is a whole 'nother beast than terrestrial. I don't think Samara is any different than Shepard, morally.
It sounds like your hang up is on the religion part.
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Fiaryn, you're back.
Let us hate on Asari together.
On Samara:
Also, Justicars only have so much authority as they are given. Which is fine in Asari space, but outside of that she is nothing more than a very capable vigilante.
An Ardat Yakshi killed me in Mass Effect Phalla you do not even know how bitter I am :<
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No doubt, I don't like the religious angle, but it's more than that; I don't buy that she's really trying to better herself. Where you see sacrifice (e.g. giving up material possessions), I just see her running away from her problems. She's the only party member where there doesn't seem to be an option to actually have her own-up to her past. So she's hunting a killer - that the killer's her daughter isn't all that interesting to me. It's not like, say, Thane's loyalty mission, where he's flawed and trying to fix it.
It is an understood fact that the Justicar code entails no compromise with criminals. And yet they are allowed to do as they will. That's tacit acceptance, functionally the same as normal acceptance. The reason she was getting shit on Illium is because Illium was basically a hotbed of crime and the government knew it. They knew it was only a matter of time before she killed the crap out of people, but weren't willing to just get rid of her because apparently going against the Justicars is No Small Thing in their culture.
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It actually makes her loyalty mission better because she's set in what she has to do. It's not like so many other loyalty missions where the character essentially relies on Shepard to play therapist/councilor/decision-maker.
It fixes the problem, yeah. But look at Thane: he's a crappy father. So he tries to rescue his son and be a good father before he dies. Jacob finds out his father's alive just in time to find out he's a terrible human being, and has to deal with that. Grunt has to overcome all sorts of bias against him just to find a home. Jack struggles, but changes pretty fundamentally (if you go paragon).
Zaeed, Garrus, and Samara all just have kill-the-bad-guy loyalty missions. They don't really seem to grow or advance because of it.
(And that sucks, because I really like Garrus and was hoping for more)