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Jade Goody, who cares?! (Also, immigration)
Johannen
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I wanted to know what people thought of this. I mean, I actually didn't know about it because i really have very little time for silly racism debates, and i also hate big brother with a vengeance. yet i came back to my hometown yesterday and turned on the T.V to find Celebrity Big Brother (a reality TV show set in a house where you just watch people live, but being Celebrity BB it has celebrities in it instead of normal people... *sigh**facepalm*).
On todays show there was a huge ruckus and I saw clips of people burning effigies and the Chancellor of the exchequer actually making a public apology!!
Here's a little backround for the people here:
(Taken from bloomberg website)
My question is:
Does anyone give a flying fuck what this woman has to say or about this in any fashion? I mean, what is the indian nation expecting to happen here? Are they thinking that this one scumbag of a womans opinion is going to ignite a "beerhall putsche" (spelling) type of reaction and that we're going to all become racists and attack India?
this is one of the stupidest things i've ever seen and i'm horribly dissapointed with the british government for apologising for something that has nothing to do with them. Jade Goody isn't an MP and she has no input into the views of britains political parties. This is the kind of shit that really gets on my tits as there are people in the world being shot and people being raped and a whole nation unites to go against a gypsy cow with a loud mouth!
On todays show there was a huge ruckus and I saw clips of people burning effigies and the Chancellor of the exchequer actually making a public apology!!
Here's a little backround for the people here:
(Taken from bloomberg website)
Jade Goody Evicted From `Big Brother' After Racism Complaints
By Mark Herlihy
Jan. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Jade Goody, a contestant on the U.K. reality television show ``Celebrity Big Brother,'' was voted off the program by viewers after the show drew record complaints over alleged racism.
Goody, a 25-year-old former dental nurse who shot to fame after appearing on a 2002 edition of the Channel 4 show, will leave the program later tonight after the results of a phone vote were announced. Shilpa Shetty, a star of dozens of ``Bollywood'' films in India, won a reprieve in the vote.
U.K. Chancellor Gordon Brown, who is on an official visit to India, urged the public to back Shetty as a symbol of British tolerance after claims that she was being racially abused by contestants, including Goody. Culture Secretary Tessa Jowell said yesterday the show was ``disgusting.''
Arguments between Goody and Shetty have featured on the front pages of U.K. newspapers this week and tabloids including the Sun and Daily Mirror have called for Goody to be evicted.
The show, which involves famous people being filmed 24 hours a day while living together in a specially created house in Elstree, north of London, has drawn a record 38,000 complaints to the U.K.'s telecommunications regulator, Ofcom. The program is named after the all-seeing totalitarian ruler in George Orwell's novel ``1984.''
Contestants, who take part in a series of challenges to win food and privileges, nominate each other for eviction from the house and are voted off one at a time in a public phone ballot.
Ganging Up
The controversy began after Goody, her boyfriend Jack Tweed, 19, her mother Jackiey Budden, 48, model Danielle Lloyd, 23, and singer Jo O'Meara, 27, ganged up on Shetty.
Budden asked if Shetty lived in a shack and repeatedly called her ``the Indian.'' O'Meara said Indians were thin because they undercooked their food and Tweed suggested Shetty clean a toilet with her teeth. Lloyd asked if she got stubble and said Shetty ``wants to be white.''
Shetty and Goody had an argument in the house over Goody's use of a stock cube, after which Goody referred to her as ``Shilpa Poppadom,'' referring to the crispy wafer often served as an appetizer in Indian restaurants.
Goody later denied her behavior was racially motivated, and Shetty said she didn't think Goody was a racist.
Even so, footage of Shetty crying has featured prominently in television news reports in India and leading politicians in both countries have been drawn into the controversy. An effigy meant to represent the producers of the show was burned in Patna, eastern India.
Channel 4's profit from tonight's eviction phone vote is being donated to the charities nominated by the celebrities before they entered the house, Channel 4 spokesman Matt Baker said today. The program is produced by Hilversum, Netherlands- based Endemol NA.
My question is:
Does anyone give a flying fuck what this woman has to say or about this in any fashion? I mean, what is the indian nation expecting to happen here? Are they thinking that this one scumbag of a womans opinion is going to ignite a "beerhall putsche" (spelling) type of reaction and that we're going to all become racists and attack India?
this is one of the stupidest things i've ever seen and i'm horribly dissapointed with the british government for apologising for something that has nothing to do with them. Jade Goody isn't an MP and she has no input into the views of britains political parties. This is the kind of shit that really gets on my tits as there are people in the world being shot and people being raped and a whole nation unites to go against a gypsy cow with a loud mouth!
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We got rid of Big Brother over here, didn't we? Please say yes.
Also, "Shilpa Popadom" made me chortle. So did the accents. We wouldn't be having this discussion if she was Welsh.
That's a great point. If she was a Geordie (Newcastle), then nothing would have come of this, or if this was an Indian Big brother and there was a white brit being insulted and ganged-up on then there would be no chance of an uprising.
Ah, the UK.
<- Ignorant American here, what's a Geordie?
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Well, we certainly wouldn't see any of this:
Pathetic. A lot of Indians are saying this changes the way they view Britain. Personally, this changes the way I see India.
You just can't compare making fun of the welsh to making fun of an Indian woman. Making fun of the welsh isn't racism.
The fact is that bullying and racist comments were happening in the house and what shocked people most was how completely unaware of it Jade, Jo and Danielle seemed to be about it. People have to be made aware that comments such as "she's a dog", "she wants to be white", and "the indian" are simply unacceptable!
Also, I can hardly see how you can be so flippant about this subject when it seems that you haven't even seen the show or the effects that it had on Shilpa. I found it very difficult to watch at times and occasionaly I would have to turn the channel because the bullying was so vicious and had undertones of racism.
The subject of racism should never be taken lightly and if we are witnessing it on mainstream, popular television then the issue must be addressed seriously. And to be honest I feel you lost the argument as soon as you said "i really have very little time for silly racism debates".
You are totally and completely wrong. Just because skin tone isn't involved doesn't make it less racist. At least with the Welsh. Still don't know what Geordie really means. (I don't think it's the guy from Reading Rainbow.)
A) It's just a TV show.
Actually, I'm sure there'd be Indian people being beaten up if this was the case.
Yes the welsh can be predjudiced against, but not nearly on the same scale as ethnic minorities. And it deffinetly doesn't have as terrble or as shocking effect as the welsh aren't thought of as being inferior in the same way that indians, pakistanis or black people are thought of being.
That said, it's utterly fucking ridiculous that anyone would extrapolate a national problem from the views of a few drunken bints on TV.
To me:
1) It was bullying, the mildly racist comments were just picking on differences.
2) The bullies are clearly twats.
3) The rest of the house are clearly twats for not standing up to them.
4) Why oh why can nobody in the media say: it's just the views of a few individuals, freedom of speech etc, get over it!
5) They live off publicity. If you don't like it, change the fucking channel & don't buy their shit. That's by far the best censorship.
Your argument that it's "just a TV show" is completely stupid. Jade Goody is (frighteningly) voted the 25th most influencial people in britain and to see her bullying somebody and making racist comments should be taken seriously as this is one of the most popular tv shows on brittish television. We should be condeming such behaviour, not offering a huge cash prize for it.
Well, vote her out!
Oh, you already did!
What's your fucking point? The public voted her out, no one likes her and the Indian woman is going to win the show.
What
I don't know, maybe British culture is a little "different" so I might not be understanding something, but all those comments are pretty blatantly racist.
My point is that it shouldn't be dismissed because it's on a tv show. I thought that was clear. I did my part in voting her out, but something should have been done about it sooner. I don't necessarily mean chucking her out, they should have just told them what they were doing and told them to sort it out (which they did do on the night of the eviction but it should have been done sooner).
As a Welshman myself, you really have no idea what you're talking about. There's a lot of anti-Welsh racism in England (especially from the Scottish people living here, funnily enough, seeing your location). Saying it's any less offensive, or less prejudiced, than anti-Indian racism, is just really fucking dumb.
So to you some dumb bitch spouting racial slurs on a crappy TV show is just as good as the Prime Minister (or whoever) announcing to the world "We all hate Indian people. Fuck them."
No it's not the same. It's a dumb bitch being dumb. It was caught on TV. That is nothing that should raise tensions between any two nations. Unless of course these two nations are filled with completely stupid fuckers. Which I now think they are.
If you are implying that I am prejudiced against the Welsh then I can assure you that this is not the case. I am very much against rediculous prejudices as you can see. Also, I want to make it clear that I don't think that ignorence towards the welsh should be taken lightly. I am aware that throughout britain there is an intolerence to the welsh. For example I wanted to go to wales on holiday this year but my dad wouldn't take me for prejudice reasons. Which I truly resent him for. The case is the same with France.
But I do believe that racism towards indians and other such minorities is a more serious problem. For example, all the media attention they get for "stealing our jobs" and "invading our streets" makes them the focus of public attention and an easy target.
Oh, and if a Brit was bullied and subject to racist remarks on Indian TV like that, you better believe that every 2-bit tabloid across the country would be running pieces on the ignorant and racist savages 'over there'. And I have little doubt that the local Indian population would be getting the crap kicked out of them by our ever expanding (in quality as well as quantity, though that's a topic for another day) chav community.
So overreaction? Yeah, frankly I think the media was playing this up like they always do, and I'd be willing to bet that the impression abroad is more one of ambivalence anyway (Of course, ambivalence doesn't sell, so better stoke them fires). But that doesn't mean I can say there wasn't anything to take issue with, because I really feel that there was.
I don't feel there's as much of a problem as being made out by the news, they just want it hyped up as much as possible. If there was, you'd never have seen a show like "Goodness Gracious Me" (a sketch show about Asian / Indian racial stereotypes essentially being brought to life) would never have been produceable here (and winning awards and acclaim from the community as well).
Oh man, I had no idea the host on Reading Rainbow was on Star Trek.
I think the real issue is with the attitudes of the house as a whole, if it was just Jade being a moron there wouldn't be anywhere near as much as an uproar, but no one in the house has stood up to her or commented on it. Instead, they join in.
The problem is that said white folks attitudes could easily be seen to represent the attitudes of the english population in general. Yes, I know they dont, but a situation like this doesnt look good at all. Indian girl goes into a predominantly white household and gets bullied by the white folk who seem to think its perfectly ok. Doesn't exactly send a wonderful message to the asian community.
Oh, I just wish, I could tell this to the Indians being pissed off about it.
Quite frankly it's a side effect of the casting of these shows, you want big personalities both good and bad. You just hope that people "love to hate them" rather than just simply hating them, which it seems is what happened in the UK version.
People abroad see celebrities ganging up on a woman and giving her some pretty hefty abuse largely because she's Indian, and not only that but nobody is concerned or sees it as a problem. That would signify that this is acceptable behaviour. And THAT is why some people have gotten very emotive on the subject.
1. A Geordie is a person from Newcastle. I didn't see this answered before.
2. Yes it was racist and yes she's a nasty bully, and I'm glad that at least some of the public were able to see that and vote her out.
3. Rather than directing any anger towards the Indian protestors, just direct it towards the bullies who gave the whole of England a bad reputation. It's shameful, and people had a right to protest.
As much as it would be nice if people could shrug off racism by saying "Oh they're just being stupid" it tends to touch a little deeper than that.
Burning effigies in the street? Again; pathetic. Take it on the nose, I'm sick of this shit stirred by the media.
I can almost understand the utter overreaction from Indians in this country, who are minorities, but back in India? I wouldn't care if this situation was reversed, I don't see why they should.
I think this issue is important precisely because it's such low-level racism. This is the shit that really gets people down - the niggling about food, uncleanliness and the like. You don't have to say "all blacks should die" to be a fucking racist. Only the other day I heard something genuinely say that they thought Pakistan had no culture. England doesn't have a single founding legend to its own! Fucking arrogance.
THIS is a racist comment. Also grossly inaccurate.
just because you wouldn't care if the situation was reversed doesn't mean that other people shouldn't or don't have the right to. Your attitude towards this is exactly why the protesters are taking such drastic measures. Why shouldn't they be able to express their outrage to one of their icons being demeaned and humiliated on national television for entertainment without being accused of being "pathetic"? Personaly I think your arrogance and lack of concern is pathetic.
how exactly is this a racist comment? I'm stating that social attitudes in britain are disgracful for having such views on ethnic minorities! It is a fact that a great number of the british public see indians as being inferior. I'm not saying that I hold this opinion and I think that if you'd taken the time to properly interperate my post then you would have realised this.
She wasn't being disgraced for entertainment? Do you even know what show we are talking about? Do you understand the context of the situation?
Shiira and Jade are contestants on Celebrity Big Brother. These two have taken a dislike to each other. Shiira wasn't taken on the show to be mocked; that's not how the show works.
..Yes, she disliked her; that's why she made racist comments about her.
I live in Britain, so I think I know what the racial situation in this country is. And here it is; we're so AFRAID of looking like we are racist, we are willing to completely shatter Jade Goody's image because she upset an Indian, even though race was never a part of it.