Wait, if this is post MK: Armageddon raiden sendingback that message: wouldn't that be the evil raiden? I wonder if he mis-represented events to his younger self to try to get him to go insane earlier.
Wait, if this is post MK: Armageddon raiden sendingback that message: wouldn't that be the evil raiden? I wonder if he mis-represented events to his younger self to try to get him to go insane earlier.
IIRC, at least one of the endings for Armageddon had Evil Raiden turning back to good
If so I'm betting Human Smoke and Robot elder Sub-Zero.
I'd be willing to bet younger sub-zero, so they could do the same story, only with the two characters flipped (remember, Smoke was best friends with younger sub-zero).
Wait, if this is post MK: Armageddon raiden sendingback that message: wouldn't that be the evil raiden? I wonder if he mis-represented events to his younger self to try to get him to go insane earlier.
IIRC, at least one of the endings for Armageddon had Evil Raiden turning back to good
I thought Raiden's ending had him going "The best way to protect Earthrealm is to just destroy all the other realms!" and in Lui Kangs ending, he defeats Evil Raiden to become the new defender of Earthrealm.
I said it once a while ago, but again there are so many conflicting endings in MK games that you might as well ignore them all as far as canon goes. You don't know what really happened until the next game comes out.
I often get the feeling that the developers don't decide what really happened until they start thinking about the next game as well.
Wait, if this is post MK: Armageddon raiden sendingback that message: wouldn't that be the evil raiden? I wonder if he mis-represented events to his younger self to try to get him to go insane earlier.
IIRC, at least one of the endings for Armageddon had Evil Raiden turning back to good
I thought Raiden's ending had him going "The best way to protect Earthrealm is to just destroy all the other realms!" and in Lui Kangs ending, he defeats Evil Raiden to become the new defender of Earthrealm.
yeah, but i think the new guy they added (the one you play as in Konquest mode) had the ending where he fixes raiden...somehow
i might just be misremembering though
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If so I'm betting Human Smoke and Robot elder Sub-Zero.
I'd be willing to bet younger sub-zero, so they could do the same story, only with the two characters flipped (remember, Smoke was best friends with younger sub-zero).
Well, that's all fine and good, but I wouldn't draw the line there. No need to be ninja-only
I'm not sure about the in cannon reboot, think they culd have found a better way. I know sometimes MK story gets silly, endings aren't true, etc.... But there is so much lore and background, its one of the reasons I loved the game. Also why a MK movied worked, where SF they had to make up all kinds of shit.
Love the story in MK, glad they can go back to MK1 and mess with stuff. Just surprised they couldn't have come up with a better way to reboot it.
If so I'm betting Human Smoke and Robot elder Sub-Zero.
I'd be willing to bet younger sub-zero, so they could do the same story, only with the two characters flipped (remember, Smoke was best friends with younger sub-zero).
Well, that's all fine and good, but I wouldn't draw the line there. No need to be ninja-only
What if, say, Sonya was a robot now?
...
I'd actually really dig that.
What if instead of robotic arms, Jax had robotic legs? All bouncing around the area on two pogo sticks, kicking dudes' heads off...
I liked Human Smoke a lot. Robot Sub-Zero would be interesting as hell.
The Sub Zero we have seen in gameplay footage is confirmed as being the ELDER Subby. I'm think a robo younger sub with a human smoke is a good call. Robosub could even have the air freeze, and a "true" ice clone.
The dev also said it's possible that Liu Kang doesn't win the first tournament.
Also Test your Might and Test you Sight will probably return.
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A robot, younger brother, Sub-Zero?
What the fuck?
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Linespider5ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGERRegistered Userregular
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Actually, that fits. The 'older' Sub-Zero was the more traditional, and when the Lin Kuei, for whatever reason, went all yay for cyborgs, he would've been more likely to resist, had he lived to see MK3. A younger Sub-Zero, in the shadow of his brother, would have excellent motivation for further acceptance in the clan by suiting up with Cyrax and Sektor.
Obviously I've put a great deal of thought into this.
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Robo Sub-Zero eh? He could have like... ice missiles. That'd be neat.
I liked Human Smoke a lot. Robot Sub-Zero would be interesting as hell.
The Sub Zero we have seen in gameplay footage is confirmed as being the ELDER Subby. I'm think a robo younger sub with a human smoke is a good call. Robosub could even have the air freeze, and a "true" ice clone.
The dev also said it's possible that Liu Kang doesn't win the first tournament.
Also Test your Might and Test you Sight will probably return.
Lui Kang not winning would be a travesty. There was one real constant in Mortal Kombat - Lui Kang is earth's supreme champion. I thought he was an awesome hero. I'd hate to see his role change.
I loved that one ending in one of the later Mortal Kombats where he's dead the whole game, and in the end Shang Tsung wins and becomes this ultimate dragon god or something, but all his souls gets free, and just when you think everything is fucked, one soul shoots into Kano's body. Then Tsung's eyes grow wide as he realizes the person standing before him is Lui Kang in Kano's body.
To say that a story penned by a comic book writer is better than the competition is like saying that herpes is better than AIDS.
Mortal Kombat's story may have started out fine but just like comic book stories it all went to shit by the time the third issue rolled out.
The original mortal kombat trilogy had an awesome, tightly contained story. I may not like UMK3 much, but it's story wasn't anywhere near it's problem.
The story went to shit AFTER MK3. Which is when John Tobias left the series, IIRC.
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I dunno. Liu Kano sounds pretty weak to me. But I wouldn't mind a game were it turned out at the end that, say, Kung Lao had been Shang Tsung in disguise the whole damn time.
Maybe they've already done that once. There's a hell of a lot to keep track of after MK2.
So who the hell was Quan Chi? Sorry, I never kept up with MK like I should have. Punching mans till their head came off always took precedence over storyline for me as a youth.
So who the hell was Quan Chi? Sorry, I never kept up with MK like I should have. Punching mans till their head came off always took precedence over storyline for me as a youth.
Eh, when the subject turns to fighting game plots I usually just gloss over.
I mean people get into in-depth discussions about character motiovations and backstories for games like Street Fighter and King of Fighters, and I'm just there going "Huh. When did that happen? Was that before I was punching dudes, or after?"
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Hard to say. For one, he got his introduction in 4, so, he might not make the cut this time. Maybe it's better that way, save him for later.
Hard to say. For one, he got his introduction in 4, so, he might not make the cut this time. Maybe it's better that way, save him for later.
He actually got his introduction in MK Mythologies - Sub Zero, and that takes place before MK1.
Besides Shang Tsung, he's basically the most prominent villain in the entire series.
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Quan Chi was basically just Shang Tsung, an evil sorcerer working for an evil overlord except he was bald and had xxxtreme spikes and his evil overlord was Spanky the Angry Clown.
Quan Chi was basically just Shang Tsung, an evil sorcerer working for an evil overlord except he was bald and had xxxtreme spikes and his evil overlord was Spanky the Angry Clown.
That sounds pretty weak. Why couldn't they just use Shang Tsung again?
Quan Chi was basically just Shang Tsung, an evil sorcerer working for an evil overlord except he was bald and had xxxtreme spikes and his evil overlord was Spanky the Angry Clown.
That sounds pretty weak. Why couldn't they just use Shang Tsung again?
Well Mortal Kombat has always been a game about Demons trying to take on gods and invade realms. Shang Tsung isn't on a level where he can make things happen that, say, Shao Kahn or Quan Chi can. Quan Chi is literally a fallen god, almost like an evil Raiden.
But on a technical level, I read the reason Quan Chi existed over Shang Tsung is because, when they were making MK4, they couldn't do character morphing for Shang Tsung. So they had quan chi, who can "morph" into other characters, but his appearance doesn't change, only his movesets.
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Actually, that's Shinnok you're talking about there.
Actually, that's Shinnok you're talking about there.
Oh yeah, that's right.
I really fell off from the series after MK4. MK 1-UMK3, I was a die hard fan. I ate up every magazine bit I could find. I knew the stories inside and out. But when MK4 came around I just... kinda stopped caring.
Quan Chi was basically just Shang Tsung, an evil sorcerer working for an evil overlord except he was bald and had xxxtreme spikes and his evil overlord was Spanky the Angry Clown.
That sounds pretty weak. Why couldn't they just use Shang Tsung again?
Well Mortal Kombat has always been a game about Demons trying to take on gods and invade realms. Shang Tsung isn't on a level where he can make things happen that, say, Shao Kahn or Quan Chi can. Quan Chi is literally a fallen god, almost like an evil Raiden.
But on a technical level, I read the reason Quan Chi existed over Shang Tsung is because, when they were making MK4, they couldn't do character morphing for Shang Tsung. So they had quan chi, who can "morph" into other characters, but his appearance doesn't change, only his movesets.
You're thinking of Shinnok with the "fallen god" status and the ability mimmicking. Quan Chi was a sorceror. He was basically the Shang Tsung to Shinnok's Shao Khan.
Anywho, the reason they went with Quan Chi instead of Shang Tsung is that MK4 was kind of a "fresh start" for Mortal Kombat. Gone was the Mortal Kombat tournament to defend Earthrealm, gone was Shao Kahn's march of conquest, MK4 wasn't even a tournament: it was a war between Shinnok's army of darkness and the defenders of Edenia.
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Actually, that's Shinnok you're talking about there.
Oh yeah, that's right.
I really fell off from the series after MK4. MK 1-UMK3, I was a die hard fan. I ate up every magazine bit I could find. I knew the stories inside and out. But when MK4 came around I just... kinda stopped caring.
Yeah, I was the same way. I think for me it was because I had moved off to college right before MK4 came out, so I was kinda in a different place in my life. I pretty much went full PC at that point, until I got a PS2 several years later.
Quan Chi was basically just Shang Tsung, an evil sorcerer working for an evil overlord except he was bald and had xxxtreme spikes and his evil overlord was Spanky the Angry Clown.
That sounds pretty weak. Why couldn't they just use Shang Tsung again?
Well Mortal Kombat has always been a game about Demons trying to take on gods and invade realms. Shang Tsung isn't on a level where he can make things happen that, say, Shao Kahn or Quan Chi can. Quan Chi is literally a fallen god, almost like an evil Raiden.
But on a technical level, I read the reason Quan Chi existed over Shang Tsung is because, when they were making MK4, they couldn't do character morphing for Shang Tsung. So they had quan chi, who can "morph" into other characters, but his appearance doesn't change, only his movesets.
You're thinking of Shinnok with the "fallen god" status and the ability mimmicking. Quan Chi was a sorceror. He was basically the Shang Tsung to Shinnok's Shao Khan.
Anywho, the reason they went with Quan Chi instead of Shang Tsung is that MK4 was kind of a "fresh start" for Mortal Kombat. Gone was the Mortal Kombat tournament to defend Earthrealm, gone was Shao Kahn's march of conquest, MK4 wasn't even a tournament: it was a war between Shinnok's army of darkness and the defenders of Edenia.
Quan Chi is also responsible for the destruction of Scorpion's entire clan, the Shirai Ryu. This was payment for the (elder) Sub Zero stealing a map that would eventually lead to Shinnok's amulet containing his power as former Elder God.
Also, while Tsung has his souls, Quan Chi was more of a necromancer, with more of a focus of using skeletons as weaponry.
EDIT: The above story aspects are from MK Mthologies, which was a great concept with a shit execution. Shoalin Monks was better so I hear)
If you haven't played Shaolin Monks then you should fix this. Find a friend, play through the entire game in one sitting. I know I'm a heathen for saying this, but Shaolin Monks is probably my favorite MK game. Even MK2. Which is kinda funny since Shaolin Monks includes an arcade perfect port of MK2 so its like peanut butter in my chocolate or something like that.
I think I got off track. PLAY SHAOLIN MONKS. Its fun, on a disc! In a disc? I dunno, just play it.
If you haven't played Shaolin Monks then you should fix this. Find a friend, play through the entire game in one sitting. I know I'm a heathen for saying this, but Shaolin Monks is probably my favorite MK game. Even MK2. Which is kinda funny since Shaolin Monks includes an arcade perfect port of MK2 so its like peanut butter in my chocolate or something like that.
I think I got off track. PLAY SHAOLIN MONKS. Its fun, on a disc! In a disc? I dunno, just play it.
Fig-D is pretty much 100% correct here
They should update this in HD and do it for the modern consoles, since they couldn't be assed to make it compatible on 360
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I dunno. Liu Kano sounds pretty weak to me. But I wouldn't mind a game were it turned out at the end that, say, Kung Lao had been Shang Tsung in disguise the whole damn time.
Maybe they've already done that once. There's a hell of a lot to keep track of after MK2.
I think Reiko from MK4 turned out to be Shao Kahn for some reason.
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IIRC, at least one of the endings for Armageddon had Evil Raiden turning back to good
I'd be willing to bet younger sub-zero, so they could do the same story, only with the two characters flipped (remember, Smoke was best friends with younger sub-zero).
I thought Raiden's ending had him going "The best way to protect Earthrealm is to just destroy all the other realms!" and in Lui Kangs ending, he defeats Evil Raiden to become the new defender of Earthrealm.
I often get the feeling that the developers don't decide what really happened until they start thinking about the next game as well.
yeah, but i think the new guy they added (the one you play as in Konquest mode) had the ending where he fixes raiden...somehow
i might just be misremembering though
Well, that's all fine and good, but I wouldn't draw the line there. No need to be ninja-only
What if, say, Sonya was a robot now?
...
I'd actually really dig that.
Love the story in MK, glad they can go back to MK1 and mess with stuff. Just surprised they couldn't have come up with a better way to reboot it.
What if instead of robotic arms, Jax had robotic legs? All bouncing around the area on two pogo sticks, kicking dudes' heads off...
The Sub Zero we have seen in gameplay footage is confirmed as being the ELDER Subby. I'm think a robo younger sub with a human smoke is a good call. Robosub could even have the air freeze, and a "true" ice clone.
The dev also said it's possible that Liu Kang doesn't win the first tournament.
Also Test your Might and Test you Sight will probably return.
What the fuck?
Obviously I've put a great deal of thought into this.
I like the straight-up Tasha Yar spikeglove on Sonya.
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Is there a good place to get caught up on the up-til-now timeline of the series?
Does MKvsDCU count in-continuity?
And finally, I wonder if this will rewrite the timeline, or split it. The latter has possibilities...
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Any rumor or Goro or Kintaro? I always though Kintaro was a super badass in 2.
John Tobias was a comic book writer.
Mortal Kombat probably has the best story of any fighting game period. It's lore is AWESOME.
Only the Orochi arc from Kof 95-97 can really compete.
Lui Kang not winning would be a travesty. There was one real constant in Mortal Kombat - Lui Kang is earth's supreme champion. I thought he was an awesome hero. I'd hate to see his role change.
I loved that one ending in one of the later Mortal Kombats where he's dead the whole game, and in the end Shang Tsung wins and becomes this ultimate dragon god or something, but all his souls gets free, and just when you think everything is fucked, one soul shoots into Kano's body. Then Tsung's eyes grow wide as he realizes the person standing before him is Lui Kang in Kano's body.
and then it ends.
that's fucking awesome.
EDIT: Ah here it is
It was quan chi, not shang tsung
still, I want Lui Kang to win. the only acceptable substitute would be Kung Lao.
Mortal Kombat's story may have started out fine but just like comic book stories it all went to shit by the time the third issue rolled out.
The original mortal kombat trilogy had an awesome, tightly contained story. I may not like UMK3 much, but it's story wasn't anywhere near it's problem.
The story went to shit AFTER MK3. Which is when John Tobias left the series, IIRC.
Maybe they've already done that once. There's a hell of a lot to keep track of after MK2.
Eh, when the subject turns to fighting game plots I usually just gloss over.
I mean people get into in-depth discussions about character motiovations and backstories for games like Street Fighter and King of Fighters, and I'm just there going "Huh. When did that happen? Was that before I was punching dudes, or after?"
He actually got his introduction in MK Mythologies - Sub Zero, and that takes place before MK1.
Besides Shang Tsung, he's basically the most prominent villain in the entire series.
Goro has something to say to you. Four somethings.
EDIT: Okay, reading comprehension. Noticed you said prominent, not memorable. I suppose that's fair.
That sounds pretty weak. Why couldn't they just use Shang Tsung again?
Well Mortal Kombat has always been a game about Demons trying to take on gods and invade realms. Shang Tsung isn't on a level where he can make things happen that, say, Shao Kahn or Quan Chi can. Quan Chi is literally a fallen god, almost like an evil Raiden.
But on a technical level, I read the reason Quan Chi existed over Shang Tsung is because, when they were making MK4, they couldn't do character morphing for Shang Tsung. So they had quan chi, who can "morph" into other characters, but his appearance doesn't change, only his movesets.
Oh yeah, that's right.
I really fell off from the series after MK4. MK 1-UMK3, I was a die hard fan. I ate up every magazine bit I could find. I knew the stories inside and out. But when MK4 came around I just... kinda stopped caring.
You're thinking of Shinnok with the "fallen god" status and the ability mimmicking. Quan Chi was a sorceror. He was basically the Shang Tsung to Shinnok's Shao Khan.
Anywho, the reason they went with Quan Chi instead of Shang Tsung is that MK4 was kind of a "fresh start" for Mortal Kombat. Gone was the Mortal Kombat tournament to defend Earthrealm, gone was Shao Kahn's march of conquest, MK4 wasn't even a tournament: it was a war between Shinnok's army of darkness and the defenders of Edenia.
Yeah, I was the same way. I think for me it was because I had moved off to college right before MK4 came out, so I was kinda in a different place in my life. I pretty much went full PC at that point, until I got a PS2 several years later.
Steam Support is the worst. Seriously, the worst
Quan Chi is also responsible for the destruction of Scorpion's entire clan, the Shirai Ryu. This was payment for the (elder) Sub Zero stealing a map that would eventually lead to Shinnok's amulet containing his power as former Elder God.
Also, while Tsung has his souls, Quan Chi was more of a necromancer, with more of a focus of using skeletons as weaponry.
EDIT: The above story aspects are from MK Mthologies, which was a great concept with a shit execution. Shoalin Monks was better so I hear)
I've always really dug the story and mythology behind MK, even in DA and Deception
I think I got off track. PLAY SHAOLIN MONKS. Its fun, on a disc! In a disc? I dunno, just play it.
Fig-D is pretty much 100% correct here
They should update this in HD and do it for the modern consoles, since they couldn't be assed to make it compatible on 360
I think Reiko from MK4 turned out to be Shao Kahn for some reason.