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    ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I'm a bit put off by how little you acknowledge the comments and crits here and in your other thread, and about how we didn't get shown any in-progress work, but only the final products.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I'm a bit put off by how little you acknowledge the comments and crits here and in your other thread, and about how we didn't get shown any in-progress work, but only the final products.

    I don't think that's true that I don't acknowledge comments. I don't really get very many comments OR critiques in this thread or the Lightshade thread, but I read them all and reply when I have something to say. I'll post in-progress stuff if people want to see it, but it's my experience that no one comments on in-progress stuff when I post it.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Here are inks and colors for page 12:

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Today's progress on the first panel of page 13.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    More progress today.

    page13wip2.jpg

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    Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    The dad is like my favorite character in your comic. :^:

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    The dad is like my favorite character in your comic. :^:

    Heh, he's everyone's favorite character. Chapter one is mostly about Stu dealing with Rob McDonald's bullying at school, but Richard has more to do in chapter two.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Some progress on the colors today:

    page13wip3.png

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    NibCromNibCrom Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Your inks are very clean. What's your inking/scanning process?

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    I ink with a #1 Raphael Kolinsky Sable brush and Higgins Black Magic ink. The only place I've seen that Kolinsky brush on sale is at the Joe Kubert School art store. I was a student there from '03-'06 and the story was that Joe was on vacation in France and found that brush, and from that point on it was the only brush he'd use. He has them shipped over to his store, and although my brush experience is far more limited than Joe's, it's the best one I've ever used too. You can buy them online from the Kubert School store, I think it's kubertsworld.com.

    As for scanning, I scan in at 300 dpi. For the first few pages I was using the "threshold" command which makes every pixel either black or white (no grey) for the purposes of making flatting easier, but for this page I decided not to do that. I'm not sure if it makes that much of a difference, though.

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    NibCromNibCrom Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Thanks for sharing. They look really clean. I thought they were digital at first.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    page13wip4.png

    Today's progress.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
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    Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Haha! :^:

    I wanna know what they're saying. :P

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Colors are done for this page. I'll post the lettered version on Sunday.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Here's the lettered page today. Please help me out and click the link to view the full image.
    http://www.thesundayscomic.com/?p=164

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    acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    Your inks are great. Your colors aren't. I don't like them. They don't feel good together. I don't really know how to articulate it, but it has something to do with complementary colors and whatnot.

    And it's not just that. I feel like you spend too much time on the backgrounds.

    My eye gets lost in all the background, and doesn't know where to focus. I know i should be looking at the characters, but I'm looking at the strangely colored floor instead. Do you know what I mean?

    Try desaturating the background colors, even just a little, to bring the focus back to the characters.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited March 2010
    acadia wrote: »
    Your inks are great. Your colors aren't. I don't like them. They don't feel good together. I don't really know how to articulate it, but it has something to do with complementary colors and whatnot.

    And it's not just that. I feel like you spend too much time on the backgrounds.

    My eye gets lost in all the background, and doesn't know where to focus. I know i should be looking at the characters, but I'm looking at the strangely colored floor instead. Do you know what I mean?

    Try desaturating the background colors, even just a little, to bring the focus back to the characters.

    Thanks, I'll try that on the next page.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Penciling page 14 today:

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Pencils are done. The first panel is a stat panel from the first page.

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    earthwormadamearthwormadam ancient crust Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    You gots some nice layouts.

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    GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I wish you would leave your comics in their finished pencils form. They're beautiful, and look much better than the actual finished product.

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    earthwormadamearthwormadam ancient crust Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I dunno I really like the nice clean inks, and I think the facial expressions are improving as well.

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    GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Something about this last page just kind of hit me sideways.

    I mean, god damn, those are some rock-solid pencils. I would probably buy that page as is and frame it on my wall or something.

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    IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited April 2010
    I will agree that there is something lost in the final product. You have beautiful, traditional pencils and inks, and yet the end result it something entirely flat, texture-less and digital. My personal wish? color the comics with some pro markers. The alternative, though, is to either preserve some of the texture from your scans, and try to make your blacks even without PS. or try and add some textures to your colors.

    Just my opinion, I think its could stand a bit more experimentation with your style.

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    GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Or throw in a bit of cash and commission a decent color job from another professional. Might help you get noticed more.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Finished the inks today:

    page14inks.jpg

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Godfather wrote: »
    I wish you would leave your comics in their finished pencils form. They're beautiful, and look much better than the actual finished product.

    It strikes me odd that you would say that, as I consider pencils one of my weaknesses, with inks my strength. I've debated many times over the past few years about giving up on my own comics and just trying to get work as an inker.
    Iruka wrote: »
    I will agree that there is something lost in the final product. You have beautiful, traditional pencils and inks, and yet the end result it something entirely flat, texture-less and digital. My personal wish? color the comics with some pro markers. The alternative, though, is to either preserve some of the texture from your scans, and try to make your blacks even without PS. or try and add some textures to your colors.

    Just my opinion, I think its could stand a bit more experimentation with your style.

    When I was coloring The Sundays I was going for a more realistic color scheme, which I think is competing with the cartoonyness of the characters. So for the new page I'm trying something a little different and putting brighter, more cartoony colors in there to see if it helps the artwork pop. Also trying colors other than just black to shade.

    Unfortunately, I have very little experience with markers, so that's out of the question for coloring this. When I've tried before to use markers it looks like a mess... it would be a better idea to give these pages to my 2 year old nephew to color with crayons.
    Godfather wrote: »
    Or throw in a bit of cash and commission a decent color job from another professional. Might help you get noticed more.

    Unfortunately that's also out of the question. The Sundays brings in about $1-2 a month in Google ads, and it's the only job I have right now other than school. When/if The Sundays ever gets bigger and starts bringing in more readers, I would love to hire someone to color these for me. It's the most tedious part of the job.

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    NibCromNibCrom Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    I think acadia was right about desaturating the backgrounds a bit. I think the colors in general are good, but the characters and their faces need to be the focal point. The backgrounds, while well drawn and detailed can get distracting.

    Think about older cartoons and how the backgrounds looked like oil paintings, while the characters were basically just filled in line art. It really made the characters stand out. Many people use textures for digital stuff to kind of recreate that feeling. You don't necessarily need to go in that direction, just maybe a technique to give you ideas.

    I think in general your pages looks very professional. They just need a little something to go from "good" to "great".

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    NibCrom wrote: »
    I think acadia was right about desaturating the backgrounds a bit. I think the colors in general are good, but the characters and their faces need to be the focal point. The backgrounds, while well drawn and detailed can get distracting.

    Think about older cartoons and how the backgrounds looked like oil paintings, while the characters were basically just filled in line art. It really made the characters stand out. Many people use textures for digital stuff to kind of recreate that feeling. You don't necessarily need to go in that direction, just maybe a technique to give you ideas.

    I think in general your pages looks very professional. They just need a little something to go from "good" to "great".

    Maybe I should use my more "realistic" (ie. desaturated) colors on the background and add some more textures to them, and use the brighter and more cartoony colors on the foreground figures?

    Back in 2002-2004, during the original run of The Sundays webcomic, I drew my backgrounds on a separate sheet of paper, colored them with watercolors, and then inserted the characters on top of that. Here's an old strip from 2003 to show you what I mean. Maybe I should recreate that look, but digitally.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Flat colors are done.

    page14wip3.png

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    NibCromNibCrom Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Here's something else to consider:

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    The background colors aren't really realistic, but they up the contrast between the characters. You could probably do something similar with a color overlay.

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    acadiaacadia Registered User regular
    edited April 2010
    Also, try this. The colors in all your comics are kind of clashing. You need a layer to tie them all together. Try putting a color balance layer on top of everything, with a tint towards red. It will help to bring all the colors together, and maybe make your comic look a little more professional.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Gonna try to post more often, but I've been busy. Here are pencils for page 22, which goes up tomorrow. I'm inking it right now.

    page22pencils.jpg

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    Faded_SneakersFaded_Sneakers City of AngelsRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Hey man like your stuff so far.

    Just a quick note.

    On that scene with the 2 guys in the kitchen. I know its too late now but in the future try to be more consistent with item placement in the scene. Every panel in which the counter appears with the plates and pizza pan shows a different set up. If people are moving around etc this can be ignored but when the kids plate just dissapears and reapears and disapears it throws me off.

    Never assume your audience wont notice stuff like that. More often then not they will and theyll wonder why, and if theres no seeming reason for it theyll get irritated.

    Love to see where this goes, looking good so far.

    EDIT: Looked through your website to see what the story was and noticed you tend to draw everyones eyes in a wide open manner. Makes it look like everyone is surprised. Kinda freaking me out. O_O

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    worstcaseworstcase Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I really love this comic.
    Really love it.
    But it's making me feel sooo bad for stu right now, gah hopefully you have something good planned for him in the near future!

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    Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Yay, new post...more often please!

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    mullymully Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    i agree with what faded sneakers said - the placement of your items is important, and throws us OCD people off. once i noticed, i had to go back through each panel to check.

    in addition, i really love your basic pencils, i almost wish they were just left that way with some water colour or something. the life is sucked out of 'em with the flat colours.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    About the placement of things... I just tend to forget about stuff like that and don't notice until after the page is done. I'll try harder from now on.

    page22inks.jpg
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    And the final version of the page, with dialogue, is here: http://www.thesundayscomic.com/?p=195

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    MustangMustang Arbiter of Unpopular Opinions Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Tommy B is a cool guy.

    I'm seriously getting into the comic Scott. :^:

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