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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    Flat colors are done.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    With dialogue: http://www.thesundayscomic.com/?p=385

    Without:
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    IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited July 2011
    I know that you are trying to drive traffic to your site, but you might get more comments if you just posted the comic with words in the thread. People here will often click through and read your archives anyway, since that's easier than navigating a forum thread for it. Just a suggestion.

    Curious, is this comic already written out to completion? How long will it be?

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    earthwormadamearthwormadam ancient crust Registered User regular
    edited July 2011
    Pretty nice lookin pages though every once in awhile a weird proportion thing pops up, like tiny hands in the last panel.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    Iruka wrote:
    I know that you are trying to drive traffic to your site, but you might get more comments if you just posted the comic with words in the thread. People here will often click through and read your archives anyway, since that's easier than navigating a forum thread for it. Just a suggestion.

    Curious, is this comic already written out to completion? How long will it be?

    Well, I link the comic with words because we get so few readers of this comic (about a hundred or two unique visitors on new-comic-days) that the comic, even with advertising, costs me money to keep going. So the more visitors I can get to click on that link, the less money it costs me to keep drawing this comic.

    Each issue is 24 pages. Dunno how many issues we'll end up doing because there's no set ending to the story.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    This page with dialogue is up on the website now:

    http://www.thesundayscomic.com/?p=388

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    Finished inks:

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    GrifterGrifter BermudaModerator mod
    Are you just posting here in hopes that you'll generate more traffic to your comic? You realize that this forum is supposed to be for critique and help with your artwork. It seems to me that you're just posting here with the intention of driving more traffic to your comic so that you can acquire more advert revenue.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    Grifter wrote:
    Are you just posting here in hopes that you'll generate more traffic to your comic? You realize that this forum is supposed to be for critique and help with your artwork. It seems to me that you're just posting here with the intention of driving more traffic to your comic so that you can acquire more advert revenue.

    No, I am posting here for critiques. I get very few, but I continue to be optimistic with each new page.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    If it is causing confusion, I will stop posting links to the finished pages on here, so all anyone sees is the artwork. The words are inconsequential, anyway, they were not written by me so I'm not looking for critiques on the dialogue.

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    IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited January 2012
    Its kinda hard to critique a comic without the words though. I understand you'd rather us go to your site, but I think people would really respond better is they could pop in and read a few pages and judge from there. I mean, a big part of comic making is making sure it reads well, that the word bubbles aren't crowding your art, and all that sort of stuff. Especially for a comic that is pretty reliant on the dialog, it'd be nice to know whats going on when you post a page.

    You also probably get less critiques because, well, you seem pretty set in your ways for this comic. There are some notable improvements, like a little texture in the background rather than gradients and such, but its relatively similar. Comic work needs to be consistent, so its understandable, but its not really a great talking point. Alot of the critiques from earlier in the thread still stand, so unless this is the only thing you draw, it'd be nice to see your other, non comic work. Sketches, planning, rough thumbnails, stuff like that.

    I understand alot of other forums work in the "If your work is good enough you'll get a million comments, but if its not, you will get maybe one" but thats never been how this place works. If you want the community to be really involved in the work, let them in on what you are thinking about and what you are working on. Show us the process and ask some questions. Throwing clean, inked pages up in total silence and commenting on no one else's work? Well, doesnt really inspire much. We cant read your mind and see what you want from your work, from this thread I can tell that you want site traffic and light suggestions for improvement, you can give us more than that.

    If you comment on some other folks work, post things you've been experimenting with, talk about your goals and ask people for specific things, resources will come your way. You wont get a flood of comments or views on your site, because in the scope of things, we are a pretty small community, maybe like 30 active people that sort of rotate in and out. I recommend investing more in if you want more out.

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    WassermeloneWassermelone Registered User regular
    edited January 2012
    The chins of your characters always bother me.

    The wierd vestigal boxiness of them adds nothing endearing to your art style. I don't mean to be mean but its really all I can see when you post :|

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    I understand that I am not especially active in this community, but unfortunately there are only so many hours in a day and I don't really spend much time on the Internet outside of Facebook and maybe a couple other websites. I wish I could be a regularly contributing member of Penny Arcade, and Penciljack, and deviantART, and Digital Webbing, and Flight, and Ten Ton, but I cannot. I throw new pages up when they're done and check back periodically, usually finding nothing new.

    As far as being set in my ways, I cannot disagree more. I think if you look back through the last thirty strips, you'll see a huge improvement on my part. At least, I see a huge improvement.

    I crave critiques and take everything people say to heart, more so than is probably healthy when I occasionally start trying to please other people's aesthetic sensibilities rather than my own. Each page I push myself as hard as I can to make it better than the last one, and that is not bullshit, I frustrate and depress myself every single day trying to simply make my work acceptable for people to look at.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    The chins of your characters always bother me.

    The wierd vestigal boxiness of them adds nothing endearing to your art style. I don't mean to be mean but its really all I can see when you post :|

    Thank you, this is the kind of thing I'm looking for.

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    GrifterGrifter BermudaModerator mod
    ScottEwen wrote:
    I understand that I am not especially active in this community, but unfortunately there are only so many hours in a day and I don't really spend much time on the Internet outside of Facebook and maybe a couple other websites. I wish I could be a regularly contributing member of Penny Arcade, and Penciljack, and deviantART, and Digital Webbing, and Flight, and Ten Ton, but I cannot. I throw new pages up when they're done and check back periodically, usually finding nothing new.

    As far as being set in my ways, I cannot disagree more. I think if you look back through the last thirty strips, you'll see a huge improvement on my part. At least, I see a huge improvement.

    I crave critiques and take everything people say to heart, more so than is probably healthy when I occasionally start trying to please other people's aesthetic sensibilities rather than my own. Each page I push myself as hard as I can to make it better than the last one, and that is not bullshit, I frustrate and depress myself every single day trying to simply make my work acceptable for people to look at.

    Well, you're not going to get a whole lot out of this community of artists by just throwing up the art pages. Iruka is probably write about including actual images of your comic with the dialogue in it on here. I don't feel particularly inclined to visit your website to look through your archives since I don't know what you comic is really about because I don't know what your characters are saying.

    I definitely understand that time is an issue. It's an issue for a lot of people, including people who come onto this forum and participate with each other here. Most of us don't have studios with other artists where they can learn from each other in a physical location. This is a fairly nice, easy, honest and cheap alternative to that. All, of the communities that you've listed off have some amazing artists in them that can provide great insight. But why should anyone bother giving you a leg up on how to do better if you can't be bothered to do that for anyone else? I find it hard to believe that since 2007 you've only had time to post exclusively in your own discussion threads. That's 338 comments since 2007 and you haven't bothered to comment on anyone else's artwork.

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    KochikensKochikens Registered User regular
    Do you do any work/art other than the comic? It'd be great if you could post some of that.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    Grifter wrote:
    Well, you're not going to get a whole lot out of this community of artists by just throwing up the art pages. Iruka is probably write about including actual images of your comic with the dialogue in it on here. I don't feel particularly inclined to visit your website to look through your archives since I don't know what you comic is really about because I don't know what your characters are saying.

    I definitely understand that time is an issue. It's an issue for a lot of people, including people who come onto this forum and participate with each other here. Most of us don't have studios with other artists where they can learn from each other in a physical location. This is a fairly nice, easy, honest and cheap alternative to that. All, of the communities that you've listed off have some amazing artists in them that can provide great insight. But why should anyone bother giving you a leg up on how to do better if you can't be bothered to do that for anyone else? I find it hard to believe that since 2007 you've only had time to post exclusively in your own discussion threads. That's 338 comments since 2007 and you haven't bothered to comment on anyone else's artwork.

    With this in mind, and with no hard feelings, perhaps it would be best for me to leave rather than continue to give only a tiny amount of focus on this forum.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    Kochikens wrote:
    Do you do any work/art other than the comic? It'd be great if you could post some of that.

    Yeah, but I'm not really able to post a lot of the non-Sundays stuff I do. I tend to do lots of comic book pitches and anthology short stories, which then take months to be published (or sometimes not), and by the time I'm able to post stuff I've already moved on and gotten better.

    Plus I tend to do almost no sketches or drawings apart from comic work. Almost everything I draw is either a comic page or preliminary sketches that will become a comic page.

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    Toji SuzuharaToji Suzuhara Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    The coloring isn't as effective as it could be. Most of the colors hover around midtone, so there isn't much emphasis on what's important in each panel. If it's not actively aiding the storytelling through emphasis, coloring it is kind of pointless. Separating foreground and background using differences in saturation levels would help a lot, too.

    As it stands, I'm preferring it in black and white alone more at the moment.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    As it stands, I'm preferring it in black and white alone more at the moment.

    Yeah, me too. I honestly have no idea what I'm doing in the coloring, but I'm learning with each page.

    I draw this comic: http://www.thesundayscomic.com
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    IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    I think you could still benefit from posting here, I just think you should consider participating. I don't want it to sound like you have to dedicate your time to the forum, you don't. Plenty of people fly through and post once every six months or a year, like moss. But they still take a minute to explain what they are up to and give us a little insight to what they are posting. If you want information and help from people, don't you want them to be pretty informed about where you are coming from work wise?

    Either way, its just advice. All communities online you'll see some benefit from actively participating. If you have so little time that you need to only choose one, that's not a terrible thing. When its time for promotion, there are other ways to try and get your comic out there.

    Kinda like with the coloring. What do you mean you have no idea what your doing? Is it the digital aspect? Have you tried to color the comic any other way? What coloring styles do you like?

    Posting old work would at least tell us where you are coming from, even if you think its irrelevant. I didn't even know you were published or that you had other projects. Is making comics your full time job?


    We can be pretty helpful if we have some info, thats all I'm saying.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    It's been a year, so I've decided to pop back in and show what I'm up to now. If I'm not welcome here, let me know and I'll leave.

    The Sundays is a third the way through Chapter Three now. I'm still working hard at getting my artwork to improve. Here are the last three pages so you can get a feel for what I'm up to now. I'm roughing out pages 10 and 11 today so I'll post my thumbnails in a bit.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    Page 10 thumbs:
    Panel One
    STU has walked up to EDWARD and RUPERT, who are standing away from everyone else, with beers.
    EDWARD: Beer Stu?
    STUART: Okay, sure. Thanks Edward.
    EDWARD: Call me Eddie! Everyone does.
    STUART: No they don’t. What are you up to?
    
    Panel Two
    RUPERT dominates this panel.
    EDWARD: Well, Rupert. Care to explain?
    RUPERT: Sure will, Edward. Catacombs and Centaurs is an improvisational roleplaying game which utilises both skills and cunning. Magic and indeed mystery are parts of its history.
    STUART: Like Dungeons and Dragons then? 
    
    Panel Three
    RUPERT is laughing hard. Edward is holding Stu’s arm, convincing him to join.
    RUPERT: Ha! He thinks it’s D and D!
    EDWARD: It’s not exactly the same. Care to try? You can join me on my current quest.
    STU: Sure. Whatever.
     
    Panel Four
    Runs across the length of the page. Rupert is on the left, then Edward then Stu, both facing him.
    RUPERT: Okay Edward, as ever you are Sir Palamedes, out in a woodland scene on another exciting quest.
    EDWARD: Good sir knight!
    RUPERT: Good sir knight! Stu, you can be his little assistant Clump the faerie.
    STUART: I’m sorry, what?
    
    Panel Five
    Panel six is the same layout as five, again, running the full width of the page, only now we’re in a wood scene. Edward is dressed as a knight, Stu is a little green ogre thing in a brown costume. Rupert is exactly the same but has his arms raised. Behind him in the same pose is a terrifying bear. Clump has a wand.
    RUPERT: No time for apology! A bear has surfaced! A huge, terrifying bear with bloodshot eyes and terrible claws. Fangs! All the natural weapons of a bear.
    EDWARD: Ha! Palamedes fears no such thing! But a bear in Cornwall? What dastardly magic is this?
    STUART: Who or what is Clump the faerie? Do I have a sword or something?
    RUPERT: You have a wand!
    

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    GodfatherGodfather Registered User regular
    If I have any crits to give, it's for the actual dialogue and characters.

    None of these guys seem realistic at all. I know that comics and writing in general has this "people have the perfect thing to say at all times" sort of stigma to them, but holy cow dude, you have cranked it up to eleven with these guys, and not really for the better. Every one of these characters are walking stereotypes; the gangsta-token-black-guy, the dad-who-doesn't-give-a-shit-but-is-considered-loveable, the hopeless loser son, the douchebag frat-boy bully, etc. It feels like you just cobbled together whatever you found watching some 80's/90's teen comedies or anything written by the Farrelly Brothers and used that as your basis for story.

    Teens don't talk like that. Adults do not do these things. I know it's for wa-wa-wacky hijinks and all that but for the most part it just makes all of these characters seem generally unlikeable and somewhat obnoxious. I have no real reason to care for the main character despite the fact that he's getting constantly shit on by said douche, or what's the general idea your trying to paint with the dad other than the fact that he's just another asshole.

    It reminds me of the movie Juno, where its all about Ellen Page dropping all these quips instead of focusing on a decent narrative.

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    IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Your strength is really in your inks and layout abilities. I mean, your comic looks pro, it's clean and well constructed, the drawings are consistent. I can't really speak to the content because when it gets down to it, I don't think the interpersonal dramas of boys in highschool appeal to me. I do think its mad weird that Chernose thinks its cool to just curse in front of his friends kid that he just met, and other small things, but I'm not entirely sure if you are looking for feedback on the overall story.

    Your colors though. I think you are the one who uses (or used to use) that crazy neon color method to make it easy to fill everything in, but I think that you are having a hard time making your colors relate to anything, or have them really do anything for you. Light is important, but you only use it sometimes. Hell, half of the settings don't even seem to have light fixtures. You put a ring of light around a car headlight, or a bar light, but otherwise the bar is the same as the office is the same as the school is the same as the house party. Why are all the characters flat colors, but then the couch in that house party has some shading to it? Why is there a glowing gradient crowd in a dark nightclub?

    Even a super flat artist, like Chris Ware, sets his moods with color. He knows that a gray day give light diffused hues and a dark room has deep brooding colors. Everything here has the same feel to it, and it makes the whole comic feel like a play, rather than a setting. You don't have any heavy newspaper color restrictions looming over you, so I would maybe try to loosen up with it.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    Godfather wrote: »
    If I have any crits to give, it's for the actual dialogue and characters.

    None of these guys seem realistic at all. I know that comics and writing in general has this "people have the perfect thing to say at all times" sort of stigma to them, but holy cow dude, you have cranked it up to eleven with these guys, and not really for the better. Every one of these characters are walking stereotypes; the gangsta-token-black-guy, the dad-who-doesn't-give-a-shit-but-is-considered-loveable, the hopeless loser son, the douchebag frat-boy bully, etc. It feels like you just cobbled together whatever you found watching some 80's/90's teen comedies or anything written by the Farrelly Brothers and used that as your basis for story.

    Teens don't talk like that. Adults do not do these things. I know it's for wa-wa-wacky hijinks and all that but for the most part it just makes all of these characters seem generally unlikeable and somewhat obnoxious. I have no real reason to care for the main character despite the fact that he's getting constantly shit on by said douche, or what's the general idea your trying to paint with the dad other than the fact that he's just another asshole.

    It reminds me of the movie Juno, where its all about Ellen Page dropping all these quips instead of focusing on a decent narrative.

    Thanks for the thoughts. I'll forward this to the writer.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    Iruka wrote: »
    Your strength is really in your inks and layout abilities. I mean, your comic looks pro, it's clean and well constructed, the drawings are consistent. I can't really speak to the content because when it gets down to it, I don't think the interpersonal dramas of boys in highschool appeal to me. I do think its mad weird that Chernose thinks its cool to just curse in front of his friends kid that he just met, and other small things, but I'm not entirely sure if you are looking for feedback on the overall story.

    Your colors though. I think you are the one who uses (or used to use) that crazy neon color method to make it easy to fill everything in, but I think that you are having a hard time making your colors relate to anything, or have them really do anything for you. Light is important, but you only use it sometimes. Hell, half of the settings don't even seem to have light fixtures. You put a ring of light around a car headlight, or a bar light, but otherwise the bar is the same as the office is the same as the school is the same as the house party. Why are all the characters flat colors, but then the couch in that house party has some shading to it? Why is there a glowing gradient crowd in a dark nightclub?

    Even a super flat artist, like Chris Ware, sets his moods with color. He knows that a gray day give light diffused hues and a dark room has deep brooding colors. Everything here has the same feel to it, and it makes the whole comic feel like a play, rather than a setting. You don't have any heavy newspaper color restrictions looming over you, so I would maybe try to loosen up with it.

    Thanks for the tips on the colors. I'm not a colorist, so I really have no idea what I'm doing. I color the comic due to necessity, because if I don't do it no one else will. I do change the colors a bit depending on setting (for instance, if the characters are outside at night I throw a blue layer at 10% opacity on top of the flat colors), but I see what you're saying. The colors have an inconsistent feel to them across the comic because I'm always trying different stuff to see if it works better. The printed version of the comic is in black and white, which I think looks better, but the writer wants the TPB to be in color, so I might possibly try to raise funds to get a pro to re-color it.

    I draw this comic: http://www.thesundayscomic.com
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    IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    Do you not have the desire to learn to color? I mean, obviously you have some skills, it would require some study and time, but I could help point you in the right resources. It would require learning how to digitally paint a bit more than you seem to be thinking about it now. Do you have a tablet?

    Out of curiosity, are you involved in the writing at all, or are you very focused on just following the scripts?

    I'm glad that you are giving the forums another go, though, I hope that you may find them more useful this time around!

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    Iruka wrote: »
    Do you not have the desire to learn to color? I mean, obviously you have some skills, it would require some study and time, but I could help point you in the right resources. It would require learning how to digitally paint a bit more than you seem to be thinking about it now. Do you have a tablet?

    Out of curiosity, are you involved in the writing at all, or are you very focused on just following the scripts?

    I'm glad that you are giving the forums another go, though, I hope that you may find them more useful this time around!

    I have a Wacom Bamboo, which is how I color my comics. I'm interested in getting my flat colors to be up to a higher standard, but I'm not really looking to be a pro colorist or anything. I know that sounds dismissive, but honestly I think my strengths are in penciling, inking, and lettering. Coloring has always been a struggle for me and is my least favorite thing to do on any page. I'd rather focus on what I'm good at and eventually hire someone to handle the stuff I suck at.

    I'm not involved in the writing; Kevin handles that. He lives on a different continent, so we don't really get together to discuss the story. He sends me the scripts and then I go off and do my own thing. You can tell by looking at that script I posted for the latest page, and then comparing it to my thumbnails, that I change stuff around from time to time (I added an extra panel on that page that I thought it needed), but only when I try to rough the page out as it is in the script and have trouble making it read correctly. On Page 8 I ended up adding three additional panels (going from 7 to 10 panels on the page) because I tried 6 different thumbnails and couldn't get the layouts to work the way the panels were written in the page. And often I add an outdoor establishing shot because they're usually not written into the script. But that's the extent to which I change anything in the script; everything else is all Kevin.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    Some progress

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    IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited March 2013
    So, this isn't perfect, and its not actually how I would approach coloring the comic if I had my hands on it. I basically wanted to highlight what's confusing about your color choices, and how you could maybe visually tie it together more.
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    When you reduce yours to grayscale, it becomes really obvious that the actual value of the color you are picking isnt coming into consideration when you are dropping them down. You have super high contrast objects in the background, unimportant papers and cups, and they have way more visual pop than poor chernose, who is the same value as the wall.


    With a quick rearrangement of values, suddenly we are looking at precisely what is important in each panel. The background is nicely detailed, but not competing. A quick overlay of color reveals something slightly more unified, and character focused. You would want to spend time makinf sure the hues are where you want them (so the shirt is not quite so pink and such, but it actually doesn't matter that the computer in the background is a dark brown and not a grey like in real life. You want that stuff to sit back and give your characters some breathing room. Without a painterly sense of light, or some cell shading, you have liberty to make some choices that are purely about legibility. You may as well play that up to your advantage.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    Thanks so much for that, that helps a lot. I've never really thought about contrast and value when it comes to coloring. Whenever people tell me my coloring choices are poor, I always think "well, I tried my best, and it looks fine to me, but I don't know anything about color theory, so they're probably right." That visual aid tells me exactly what I'm doing wrong.

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    IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    No problem.

    A combination of inking with a light direction in mind and better selected flat colors would take the comic legibility way up. Hope we get to see it implemented when you finish up this page.

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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    Putting The Sundays on hiatus while I finish up a comic pitch. Here's the page I finished today:

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    I draw this comic: http://www.thesundayscomic.com
    And then I have a deviantART here: http://scottewen.deviantart.com
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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
    Sorry I've been gone for a few weeks. Let me catch you guys up on what I've been doing. Here's the newest page of The Sundays, with balloons and without:

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    Mario Candelaria and I have been working on this vampire comic that we're pitching. Here are the pages so far if you'd like to see what my artwork looks like colored by someone else. I did the pencils, inks, and letters, Dave Ganjamie did the colors.

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    Next, I did these pages a year ago for Paper+Plastick, but the letterer/colorist had some other stuff going on so they are just now getting colored. Here are the pages I've seen so far. Written by Matt Anderson, pencils/inks by me, colors and letters by Matt Jordan.

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    And finally, I made this announcement because my wife is pregnant with our first child:

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    I draw this comic: http://www.thesundayscomic.com
    And then I have a deviantART here: http://scottewen.deviantart.com
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    ScottEwenScottEwen Registered User regular
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    I draw this comic: http://www.thesundayscomic.com
    And then I have a deviantART here: http://scottewen.deviantart.com
    And I tweet: http://www.twitter.com/scottewenartist
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    IrukaIruka Registered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    On the vampire stuff, the visual representation of the lady possessing the body is really strange and confusing. I feel like there is too little exaggeration going on there, because I just sort of thought she was getting slung over his shoulder or something of the sort. In context you know that that is what must be happening, but without a proper read through there's nothing really helping me understand whats happening there. I feel like that's a missed opportunity to something a little less ridged and go for something that's really visually interesting.

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