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Shoulder injury advice

mooshoeporkmooshoepork Registered User regular
edited July 2010 in Help / Advice Forum
First I want to preface this by saying I'm going to a doctor on Monday.

I've just started playing ice hockey and my body is not used to exercise of any kind. We were doing drills where we'd fall over, and get back up. Now, falling over was fine but when I got back up I seem to have thrown out my shoulder. I could describe it as a twinge. It kinda felt like a really bad charlie-horse.

Since then my shoulder has been iffy but no big problems. I figured it was because I hadn't ever worked certain muscles in it before, and I just had to build them up. The other day however, under no incident, it started really hurting. I think it's best described as a throbbing pain that isn't exacerbated by movement. It feels like my bone is really cold...and it kinda moves down my arm. Sometimes with I lift my hand up though I'll feel a twinge and my hand goes weightless for a second.

Any idea what this could be? I'm going to a doctor on Monday but I'm hoping it isn't nerve damage or anything because that would be expensive to fix. What are they most likely to do? X-ray even though there was no blunt trauma of any kind? It's not really sensitive if I poke or prod the painful area. It feels more internal. It's mostly centralised I guess at the socket where my arm connects to the shoulder.

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  • KakodaimonosKakodaimonos Code fondler Helping the 1% get richerRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Can you raise your hand over your head? Pick up something light and hold it in your hand with your arm straight out from your shoulder for 5-10 seconds?

    Did you land on the front of the shoulder or the back when this happened?

    Ice it, keep from doing too much with it. There's a few things it could be.

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  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    It could be a pinched nerve. I pinched a nerve in my leg once simply by resting it on a coffee table for a few hours. My foot basically hung limp at the ankle for 3 months before I got sensation and control over it again.

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  • mooshoeporkmooshoepork Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Can you raise your hand over your head?

    Yes, no pain at all
    Pick up something light and hold it in your hand with your arm straight out from your shoulder for 5-10 seconds?

    Yeah, no pain.
    Did you land on the front of the shoulder or the back when this happened?

    I didn't really land on it, I just pushed myself up with it. It hurts at the front/side.
    Ice it, keep from doing too much with it. There's a few things it could be.

    What will ice do? Just numb it? I'll try to lay off it, but I've got a pretty intense hockey schedule. It'd suck if I'd have to take time off. Rather take time off than make it worse though. Thanks for the info

    It could be a pinched nerve. I pinched a nerve in my leg once simply by resting it on a coffee table for a few hours. My foot basically hung limp at the ankle for 3 months before I got sensation and control over it again.

    3 months wouldn't be good D:

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  • chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Sounds a bit like tendonitis to me. Rest is a key cure, and your doc will probably to stay off it and ice it. Doc may give you rehab exercises to do. DO THEM! I didn't, and still have mobility and strength issues.

    But also, playing through pain is part of what hockey is all about! :D Hope you're having fun. Keep at it as best you can.

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  • mooshoeporkmooshoepork Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    chromdom wrote: »
    Sounds a bit like tendonitis to me. Rest is a key cure, and your doc will probably to stay off it and ice it. Doc may give you rehab exercises to do. DO THEM! I didn't, and still have mobility and strength issues.

    I'll try and stay off it best I can and ice it occasionally. Doctor Monday anyway! Thanks :)
    chromdom wrote: »
    Hope you're having fun. Keep at it as best you can.

    It is seriously the best thing I have ever done. Loving it. This is so frustrating because I just want to practice constantly, but at the same time don't want to push it :p

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  • TheRealBadgerTheRealBadger Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Ice it, keep from doing too much with it. There's a few things it could be.

    What will ice do? Just numb it? I'll try to lay off it, but I've got a pretty intense hockey schedule. It'd suck if I'd have to take time off. Rather take time off than make it worse though. Thanks for the info

    Ice reduces inflammation. It is a really great idea

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I injured my elbow last year and the way I really fucked myself over is by doing pain and strength tests on myself like every half hour, just out of my own insecurity and impatience. Eventually I realized that I'm fucking dumb and just kept my arm immobile between my physical therapy as much as I could. It really started to heal fast then.

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  • DockenDocken Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Once you are healed, you need to hit the gym asap and start working on your strength.

    Without proper strength to protect your joints - especially shoulders - you stand a good chance of sustaining a serious injury (like a dislocation) which will ruin your fun.

    Good to hear your having fun, but sports like ice hockey are hell on your body, so you need to be as strong as possible to ensure you can take the hits.

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  • mooshoeporkmooshoepork Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    As soon as it's better I'll hit the gym. I'm going a lot of cardio/situps...but that's about it. Definitely up for strength training though.

    I took some Voltaren anti inflams and put ice on it for 20 minutes. The drugs haven't kicked in yet, but the ice didn't change anything. Maybe it isn't inflamed? Or should I be leaving it on longer?

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  • DockenDocken Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    If its a joint injury, icing won't necessarily take the sting out - moving a joint injury at all tends to keep it upset.

    Being able to move your arm above your head without issue is a good sign, but keep in mind your shoulder joint is an inherently unstable area and prone to all sorts of nagging injuries - nerve, tendon (rotator cuff), muscle, cartilage, you name it. Only thing that can save you is having all your muscle anchor points (there are a ton) as strong as possible so that any blunt trauma is soaked up by muscle tissue instead of your shoulder capsule.

    Just keep icing and taking NSAIDs and don't use it for anything besides very basic activity until the pain is completely gone for at least 2 days straight, then try gentle shoulder work and see how it feels. A physio is an excellent person to have handy as well, just in case...

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  • mooshoeporkmooshoepork Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Sweet. When it's all good again is there any specific weights i should do? I'll probably cruise the fitness thread for info, but there's probably some kind of book or resource for hockey players? Would basic curls be what I want? or is it more complicated than I'm thinking.

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  • KakodaimonosKakodaimonos Code fondler Helping the 1% get richerRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Just a standard weightlifting routine is a good start. Since I suspect you may have some shoulder instability either in the joint or the girdle, I'd suggest adding the following also. USE LIGHT WEIGHTS AND HIGHER REPS. These are not exercises you should use heavy weights on. Start with 5 pounds or lighter.

    External Rotation:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRry9lKQRGo

    Internal Rotation:

    Internal Rotation

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  • DockenDocken Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Yeah those exercises (rotator cuff) are mandatory for any athlete in a contact sport. Do those religiously as many times a week as possible.

    After a month try and up the weight a little, but as mentioned keep in mind that these are exercises designed to work 3 tendons (basically) and as a result the exercises are more about conditioning the tendons so that they respond properly and rapidly to any impending impact.

    FYI for any workout designed to protect the shoulder capsule, you need to consider working the following anchor points:

    i) deltoid complex (anterior, posterior, medial)
    ii) bicep
    iii) tricep
    iv) scapular
    v) traps
    vi) pectoral complex (upper and lower)

    Those are good areas to focus on as a starting point; getting them into shape along with the rotator cuff exercises will go a long way to protecting you in an impact situation. The heavier the weight they can move and the faster they can move said weight will directly influence their ability to protect your shoulder.

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  • mooshoeporkmooshoepork Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Thanks guys, I'll give those exercises a shot when it's been better for a few days.

    Not sure if it was the drugs or ice but when I woke up this morning my shoulder has almost zero pain. I can still feel it a bit, but it's a lot better than before.

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  • chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    So what did the doc say? Updates please!

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  • mooshoeporkmooshoepork Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Oh yeah sorry guys!

    Went to the doc. She made me do some exercises. 4 I think. I couldn't do 2 of them without pain. I'm getting an xray and an ultrasound in about 4 hours so I'll let you know what happens.

    I'm still on the anti-inflams as well.

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  • mooshoeporkmooshoepork Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Alright, doc said I had bursitis and I need to get cortizone injections.

    I told her it hadn't hurt since I came and she told me not to get the injections. It's been really good lately and I've been building the muscle. No pain at all.

    If it flares up again I suppose I'll have to get the injections.

    Consider this solved then :) thanks guys

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  • KakodaimonosKakodaimonos Code fondler Helping the 1% get richerRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Definitely keep doing the rotations then. I had bursitis before and it does go away over time (usually). But it also has an annoying tendency to keep coming back if you overdo it and don't work up your rotator cuff strength. And you don't want to get to the point where they're draining it with a 10-gauge.

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  • mooshoeporkmooshoepork Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Well, I've bought a bench and 100kgs of weights, so that should be a good start. I'm slowly working pretty much everything, every day. I'm not flat out over-doing it or anything, but I'm trying to workout every day.

    I'll start the above videos tomorrow.

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