A) Bliz realizes listing everyone's real name who posts on an official forum is a bad idea and they find another solution.
Bliz makes it so that employees are protected under a nickname, but the general populace won't be.
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I will throw you on the land and hurl you on the open field. I will let all the birds of the air settle on you and all the beasts of the earth gorge themselves on you. I will spread your flesh on the mountains and fill the valleys with your remains. I will drench the land with your flowing blood all the way to the mountains, and the ravines will be filled with your flesh. - Ezekiel 32: 4-6
I already asked this in the wrong thread, so I'm totally sorry for that, but can anyone point me to a good site for WC3 build order and tips, or just a generally good RTS site? I want to try and break into the genre and searching google doesn't give very good results.
Does it have to be WC3?
Not really, but that's the only RTS I have at the moment with all add-ons. Also got CoH and DoWII just not latest add-ons.
Most here read teamliquid.net forums and VoDs linked there, particularly Day[9]'s. It's all SC2 though.
I will throw you on the land and hurl you on the open field. I will let all the birds of the air settle on you and all the beasts of the earth gorge themselves on you. I will spread your flesh on the mountains and fill the valleys with your remains. I will drench the land with your flowing blood all the way to the mountains, and the ravines will be filled with your flesh. - Ezekiel 32: 4-6
Hiding employees while exposing everybody else would just be hypocritical. If they can't follow their own policy then they shouldn't expect anybody else to.
Anyone found patch notes? I'm at work so can't update.
Guy on TeamLiquid has been updating with datamined changes:
Roach is now one food, looking for more changes, will update.
Says thors damage is changed. To air: 8 slash damage Bonus: 4 vs light. Changed from 6 Slaash Bonus 6 vs light. Thors hammer (ground) damage is 45 from but a longer cool down from 1.28 to 193 ( so actually a tiny less dps).
Corrupter damage change from 14 to 12. but buff to their Bonus vs Massive: from 6 to now 10. Speed slightly reduced from 2.95 to 2.75.
Nothing official yet.
EDIT: ok, it looks like those may or may not be completely bogus, because apparently SCTools doesn't work with the new patch, so it might just be grabbing info from random older versions of the game, which is why SCTools would also say that, for instance, Siege Tanks are back up to 60.
Yeah, while I can understand Blizzard changing it so you needed to log in to use the map editor since... well, everyone on earth was playing patch 16 offline when the beta was down and they might not be fans of that, man it sucks when the Beta's not up yet.
So BestBuy canceled my pre-order, apparently because they accidentally priced the Special edition for $5 a few days ago, they decided the best fix was to cancel all the pre-orders, even the ones that were made months ago, for the non SE version of the game....
So BestBuy canceled my pre-order, apparently because they accidentally priced the Special edition for $5 a few days ago, they decided the best fix was to cancel all the pre-orders, even the ones that were made months ago, for the non SE version of the game....
For once I guess I'm glad I preordered from Amazon. That's a less than ideal solution to the problem of the $5 preorder mistake!
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The patch isn't out on the NA servers yet, probably because it's 8:30 at Blizzard HQ. If you really want to DL the patch you have to get it from the EU servers.
go into your sc2/support folder
find realmlist.stf
open it in notepad or somethin
replace text with: set patchlist eu-beta.patch.battle.net:1120/patch
and bam. dino dna.
Ezekiel on
I will throw you on the land and hurl you on the open field. I will let all the birds of the air settle on you and all the beasts of the earth gorge themselves on you. I will spread your flesh on the mountains and fill the valleys with your remains. I will drench the land with your flowing blood all the way to the mountains, and the ravines will be filled with your flesh. - Ezekiel 32: 4-6
I'm still not understanding the problem with real ID's. Is there someplace I can read about all the things that it does, I thought it was a way to link up with real friends online, and not required to play with others.
I was talking to my friend through WoW using realid the other day and it was actually pretty cool that it works that way. It would not be cool if anyone who plays with me can see my real information.
And posting on a forum as a realid, that wouldn't be good, but only because people can see your personal information. Having people only have one, identifiable ID on a forum is a good thing to limit ass-hattery
I'm still not understanding the problem with real ID's. Is there someplace I can read about all the things that it does, I thought it was a way to link up with real friends online, and not required to play with others.
I was talking to my friend through WoW using realid the other day and it was actually pretty cool that it works that way. It would not be cool if anyone who plays with me can see my real information.
And posting on a forum as a realid, that wouldn't be good, but only because people can see your personal information. Having people only have the one, identifiable ID on a forum is a good thing to limit ass-hattery
They already had implemented the "One account/userid per copy of the game" thing for SC2 though, so creating random accounts to troll would cost $60.
As for the other RealID stuff, yeah, I don't understand why it's a terrible thing if people on my facebook can find my SC2 name.
But I am extremely disappointed with this new development. So much that even though I have pre-paid World of Warcraft game time until December, and was enjoying the game and planning to buy the second expansion in the near future, I am now strongly considering unsubscribing. There are many reasons for this. First of all, though I do not usually use these forums, I feel it is very ill-advised to force people to divulge their real names on a public forum. Beyond the simple right to privacy many have come to associate with the internet, to force someone to identify themselves before being allowed to say anything publicly will greatly reduce the amount of open dialog that occurs. Once people are aware that anyone could read something they say and trace it back to who they really are, they will begin keeping a lot to themselves.
I understand this is seen as a positive by Blizzard and some of the posters, for this very thing is what they hope will keep the so-called trolls and the dreadful spammers out. But restricting a freedom for security is never worth the cost, in my view. Those who wish to troll or spam will find a way, and the regular posters will be left to ponder if they wish to never post again, or have their identities made public. How many people have posted things here, or elsewhere, that they would say only online? How many of us would be comfortable if a simple google search for our real names turned up information about our hobbies and our opinions, every small drama we've ever been a part of as the result of said hobbies and opinions, the amount of time we spend on these said hobbies? What if an employer disapproves of MMORPGS (because they are seen as destroying productivity for exmaple) and doesn't hire someone because they found they had hundreds of posts on these forums?
But even more worrying is the in-game changes. These games, games like everquest and World of Warcraft are primarily social. We make friends, talk to them while playing, team up with them to combat make-believe monsters and pretend foes. We get emotionally invested in the horde/alliance division, we get upset or happy at the behaviour of guild members, we might even behave in a fashion that could be considered "griefing". But we do these things in a controlled environment, a safe arm's length away from our "real" lives, our public identities. What if everyone you'd ever slighted in-game knew your name? What if people who have a problem with one of your characters knew all your alts? What if a guild leader suddenly knows that sometimes you log on under another character to play more casually without the obligations a guild entails?
Now, the in-game RealID system is "opt-in", but several new features that many of us were looking forward to suddenly are locked away behind this "optional" disclosure of our true identities. I can guarantee many raid-focused guilds will refuse to admit members without RealID to maximize the effiency of raid planning and coordination. There's also a fair chance of prejudice against those who choose not to opt into RealID feature, as it is touted as a method to prevent people from phishing or spamming. So there is a very real chance of people feeling pressured to use this "optional" featurer.
There are also many downsides I am sure Blizzard has not fully considered. Female players are often harassed with unsolicited flirtations by teenagers and the socially stunted. This is true of ANY game. WoW's thousands of female players who don't feel comfortable having their gender be known will suddenly have that layer of protection against harassment stripped away. Furthermore, there are those who are part of the transgender community who will be affected by this even more. If a female to male or male to female transgender who has not fully transitionned, or who has full transitioned but is not legally recognized as having done so, enjoyed being known as their true gender online, they will lose this privilege if they use the RealID function, as it will display the name on their billing information, which is extremely hard to get changed, especially in the US, where transphobia is the norm.
But the real problem here, the biggest one to me, is that by doing this, in the name of convenience and security, Blizzard is legitimizing a frankly disturbing movement. RealID is not just the name of a feature in Blizzard products. It is a legislative movement pushed by corporate lobbyists and pundits that seeks to erode online privacy as a whole. These are people who are genuinely disturbed that one can go online under a pseudonym, say something, and not have it be traceable to their real life identity. They don't like that you can make a blog cataloguing the way, for example, Wal-mart abuses their employees, without it being easy for wal-mart to sick their lawyers on you. They are annoyed that you can make a video about the horrible things that happen within the Church of Scientology without the church being able to send "counter-protestors" to harass you in your own home. To put it more simply, they recognize anonymity gives you power, the power to say what you want to whom you want, and they want to take this power away from you.
Now that Blizzard, a giant, well-known, extremely profitable company has implemented RealID in their products and given their implicit support to the legal movement in the same breath, RealID has become that much more legitimate. We have taken a giant stride closer to the end of internet privacy. I realize this may seem like paranoid hyperbole to many of you, but if you read up on RealID and realize just how much money is being put in by so many people to make it a reality, you'll realize how very real the threat it poses to the internet as we know it is.
I don't expect everyone to agree with me or care about it, but I do hope some of you read this big post and go out and inform yourselves. This is larger than simply a feature in a game, and even if it wasn't it would be inherently wrong. I am extremely disappointed in Blizzard and I am not sure I can bring myself to continue supporting them financially after this, and I can only pray that enough people feel the same to make them reconsider this ill-advised, short-sighted and frankly unethical course of action.
-An anonymous poster
The accepting of RealID here just acts as stepping stone, playing into the hands of those he cites in his sixth paragraph. If we show our names on video games, why not other video games? Why not forums then too? Why have aliases at all? That's where this leads. And for what? So you don't get goatse'd again?
Maybe it was weird in my guild when I played WoW, but we knew each others real names while playing for the most part. I would have no problem if instead of "Khavall", people knew me as "Cale" in-game.
I don't understand why it's a terrible thing if people on my facebook can find my SC2 name.
Step out of your own shoes for just a moment and imagine that other people lead different lives.
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I will throw you on the land and hurl you on the open field. I will let all the birds of the air settle on you and all the beasts of the earth gorge themselves on you. I will spread your flesh on the mountains and fill the valleys with your remains. I will drench the land with your flowing blood all the way to the mountains, and the ravines will be filled with your flesh. - Ezekiel 32: 4-6
I don't understand why it's a terrible thing if people on my facebook can find my SC2 name.
Step out of your own shoes for just a moment and imagine that other people lead different lives.
I still don't understand why you care *so* much that people might know you play video games
Don't you have the option of not using your facebook?
I understand why people would care about that, I don't personally, but to make a blanket statement acting like others are silly for caring seems a bit narrow-minded Trus.
Either way, it should work that you can play with people through knowing a users whatever.whatever name, and if you share realid's you have an added level of connection. If it's mandatory to give out personal info in order to play games with others the outrage is justified.
Wall of Text above makes a good point, only further driven home by the Bashiok Incident. Some people are assholes, and will do asshole things if given access to your real name. Especially disturbing is the already present trend of employers to monitor employee facebook profiles; shall we add in employers or potential employers using your hobbies as justification for employment or lack thereof?
I am strongly considering cancelling my preorder. I'm not anal-retentive about hiding my real identity, but there are limits; this is a line I am hesitant to cross, and will have to consider it long and hard before I pick up my preorder.
Of course, I'll note that I don't really trust Blizzard with my info as-is. I had my WoW account hacked nearly a year after I'd shut it down. When I contacted them, they told me I'd probably picked up a keylogger. Yes, I picked up a keylogger. Under linux. A year after the fact. Riiiiiiiight.
Yes, you are not forced to use Real ID unless you want to post on the forums. And it's not like if you use the Real ID Blizzard is going to post "Trus spent Friday night playing Starcraft 2 in between his furious masturbation sessions"on your Facebook page
Blizzard has already said that they are adding in a modified version of the identifier system (name.number)
I really just don't like information about myself being easily accessible.
It is the same reason I don't confirm every request on facebook. If I've never really talked to the person, but know who they are. I'd rather they don't get form an opinion on me from small bits of information but get to know me in person first. I don't hide a lot from people but I rather they get the information from my mouth and not from looking at snippets of information about me.
And this whole debacle is empathized or heightened by the fact when signing up for my battle.net account, where I was then told to merge all my games under this account, never anywhere did it say that the information I was putting in there would be given out freely. If I knew this I certainly would have gone about it differently.
In most cases, I'm actually in favor of this kind of transparency.
In the case of online gaming, I don't think I can be. Even if it's a small minority, Blizzard games often attract a cesspool of the worst kind of people, and I'm not too big on those people having an easy time tracking down actual info.
And yes, currently it is for the forums (though I'm sure your real name is used in sc2), but it creates a nasty precedent and could easily be expanded to other services/games once it's casually accepted
Well, I've mentioned it elsewhere, but the realID and facebook deal helps explain to me why there will be no chat rooms at launch.
1) With chat rooms, who needs facebook? Without a way to meet and greet people in-game, people will turn to facebook for their social needs.
2) they are waiting to see how the forum realID pans out. If successful, I'm sure we'll see realID in the chats because hey, if you don't want your real name being shown, you shouldn't chat, right? (also it aligns with blizz's motivation to cut moderators--the community will monitor itself...if it all works out). If not a complete spread, I expect to see realID in public channels moderated by blizz.
3) because chat rooms are so easy to implement, there has to be another reason than it's just not a priority. realID and facebook seem to fit the bill.
First of all, Bashiok could have easily had that happen to him without posting his real name. I bet some of you screwballs could tell me everything about MY life from my profile here. In fact, I bet if I created an alt and registered just to post once in this thread, you could STILL do that. That's the nature of the internet. The name doesn't make it possible, just easier, and even then only by a little bit is my guess.
The bottom line is that anonymity will always be possible, but it will get more and more difficult as time goes on. That's just something we need to accept as internet users- our anonymity will not be here forever. By the looks of things, it won't even be here for long. Complaining about it will get us NOWHERE, and fast. Protesting will get us nowhere. With the spread and advancement of technology, there is literally NO WAY we can reverse this process.
The only option available to us is to change the way we use the internet. We need to ensure that any information we really need hidden is actually hidden. Cannot be found. We need to ensure that we have good security habits online, that we use good practices when we're in the internet. We need to protect ourselves in cyberspace as well as we protect ourselves in real life. Because, honestly? Real life and cyberspace are getting pretty much indistinguishable nowadays.
And we need to get used to the fact that all of our information is accessible to anyone who is really determined. All of you naysayers, I could stalk you if I wanted. Anyone could. Anyone could stalk anyone. Do you have a cell phone? You obviously use a computer. There are a million ways to find someone, and RealID is only the latest, not even the best. This is simply the sign of a new age- we can either accept it and adapt, or be washed over with fear and lose ourselves in the tide.
First of all, Bashiok could have easily had that happen to him without posting his real name. I bet some of you screwballs could tell me everything about MY life from my profile here. In fact, I bet if I created an alt and registered just to post once in this thread, you could STILL do that. That's the nature of the internet. The name doesn't make it possible, just easier, and even then only by a little bit is my guess.
The bottom line is that anonymity will always be possible, but it will get more and more difficult as time goes on. That's just something we need to accept as internet users- our anonymity will not be here forever. By the looks of things, it won't even be here for long. Complaining about it will get us NOWHERE, and fast. Protesting will get us nowhere. With the spread and advancement of technology, there is literally NO WAY we can reverse this process.
The only option available to us is to change the way we use the internet. We need to ensure that any information we really need hidden is actually hidden. Cannot be found. We need to ensure that we have good security habits online, that we use good practices when we're in the internet. We need to protect ourselves in cyberspace as well as we protect ourselves in real life. Because, honestly? Real life and cyberspace are getting pretty much indistinguishable nowadays.
And we need to get used to the fact that all of our information is accessible to anyone who is really determined. All of you naysayers, I could stalk you if I wanted. Anyone could. Anyone could stalk anyone. Do you have a cell phone? You obviously use a computer. There are a million ways to find someone, and RealID is only the latest, not even the best. This is simply the sign of a new age- we can either accept it and adapt, or be washed over with fear and lose ourselves in the tide.
So essentially your argument is because people could stalk you maybe while you're using an alias, why not just use your real name so that...you can be...stalked/harassed easier?
Also, ask the average person how to change their privacy settings on facebook, or do anything remotely like that. Chances are they won't be able to do it without a guiding hand
... Ooooor we could kick and scream and threaten the bottom line of these idiot companies until they drop the policy and we get our freedom back?
You might as well have been arguing that the British set up these amazing colonies and its their right to tax whatever they want. Its the direction commerce is taking and we should all just accept it and adapt or be wash away with the paddling wheel of progress.
So essentially your argument is because people could stalk you maybe while you're using an alias, why not just use your real name so that...you can be...stalked/harassed easier?
Also, ask the average person how to change their privacy settings on facebook, or do anything remotely like that. Chances are they won't be able to do it without a guiding hand
No, my argument is that you don't have privacy. You just think you do. RealID doesn't take away anything you still have, or have had for a long time.
The solution to this problem isn't to prevent RealID, it's to adapt to NOT HAVING PRIVACY. If those facebook people need help? We should give them help. That's what they need, not for us to try futilely to stunt the advancement of cyberspace on their behalf.
You must love big brother. It is not enough to obey him.
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I will throw you on the land and hurl you on the open field. I will let all the birds of the air settle on you and all the beasts of the earth gorge themselves on you. I will spread your flesh on the mountains and fill the valleys with your remains. I will drench the land with your flowing blood all the way to the mountains, and the ravines will be filled with your flesh. - Ezekiel 32: 4-6
The same reason Blizzard wants to implement Real ID on their forum (their forum is a cesspool of the worst kind of internet user) is the EXACT reason I do want my full name posted there.
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A) Bliz realizes listing everyone's real name who posts on an official forum is a bad idea and they find another solution.
Most here read teamliquid.net forums and VoDs linked there, particularly Day[9]'s. It's all SC2 though.
I was thinking the same thing and sadly, my guess is
Guy on TeamLiquid has been updating with datamined changes:
Nothing official yet.
EDIT: ok, it looks like those may or may not be completely bogus, because apparently SCTools doesn't work with the new patch, so it might just be grabbing info from random older versions of the game, which is why SCTools would also say that, for instance, Siege Tanks are back up to 60.
For once I guess I'm glad I preordered from Amazon. That's a less than ideal solution to the problem of the $5 preorder mistake!
Also - never preorder from Best Buy. Bad experiences.
find realmlist.stf
open it in notepad or somethin
replace text with: set patchlist eu-beta.patch.battle.net:1120/patch
and bam. dino dna.
I was talking to my friend through WoW using realid the other day and it was actually pretty cool that it works that way. It would not be cool if anyone who plays with me can see my real information.
And posting on a forum as a realid, that wouldn't be good, but only because people can see your personal information. Having people only have one, identifiable ID on a forum is a good thing to limit ass-hattery
They already had implemented the "One account/userid per copy of the game" thing for SC2 though, so creating random accounts to troll would cost $60.
As for the other RealID stuff, yeah, I don't understand why it's a terrible thing if people on my facebook can find my SC2 name.
The accepting of RealID here just acts as stepping stone, playing into the hands of those he cites in his sixth paragraph. If we show our names on video games, why not other video games? Why not forums then too? Why have aliases at all? That's where this leads. And for what? So you don't get goatse'd again?
I personally don't give two shits whether or not someone knows my name.
I actually prefer it, if I had to choose.
Step out of your own shoes for just a moment and imagine that other people lead different lives.
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I still don't understand why you care *so* much that people might know you play video games
Don't you have the option of not using your facebook?
I understand why people would care about that, I don't personally, but to make a blanket statement acting like others are silly for caring seems a bit narrow-minded Trus.
Either way, it should work that you can play with people through knowing a users whatever.whatever name, and if you share realid's you have an added level of connection. If it's mandatory to give out personal info in order to play games with others the outrage is justified.
I am strongly considering cancelling my preorder. I'm not anal-retentive about hiding my real identity, but there are limits; this is a line I am hesitant to cross, and will have to consider it long and hard before I pick up my preorder.
Of course, I'll note that I don't really trust Blizzard with my info as-is. I had my WoW account hacked nearly a year after I'd shut it down. When I contacted them, they told me I'd probably picked up a keylogger. Yes, I picked up a keylogger. Under linux. A year after the fact. Riiiiiiiight.
Blizzard has already said that they are adding in a modified version of the identifier system (name.number)
It is the same reason I don't confirm every request on facebook. If I've never really talked to the person, but know who they are. I'd rather they don't get form an opinion on me from small bits of information but get to know me in person first. I don't hide a lot from people but I rather they get the information from my mouth and not from looking at snippets of information about me.
This is probably worded horribly.
In the case of online gaming, I don't think I can be. Even if it's a small minority, Blizzard games often attract a cesspool of the worst kind of people, and I'm not too big on those people having an easy time tracking down actual info.
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1) With chat rooms, who needs facebook? Without a way to meet and greet people in-game, people will turn to facebook for their social needs.
2) they are waiting to see how the forum realID pans out. If successful, I'm sure we'll see realID in the chats because hey, if you don't want your real name being shown, you shouldn't chat, right? (also it aligns with blizz's motivation to cut moderators--the community will monitor itself...if it all works out). If not a complete spread, I expect to see realID in public channels moderated by blizz.
3) because chat rooms are so easy to implement, there has to be another reason than it's just not a priority. realID and facebook seem to fit the bill.
Also, obligatory: Video gamer hunts down, stabs man who killed his online 'Counter-Strike' character
The bottom line is that anonymity will always be possible, but it will get more and more difficult as time goes on. That's just something we need to accept as internet users- our anonymity will not be here forever. By the looks of things, it won't even be here for long. Complaining about it will get us NOWHERE, and fast. Protesting will get us nowhere. With the spread and advancement of technology, there is literally NO WAY we can reverse this process.
The only option available to us is to change the way we use the internet. We need to ensure that any information we really need hidden is actually hidden. Cannot be found. We need to ensure that we have good security habits online, that we use good practices when we're in the internet. We need to protect ourselves in cyberspace as well as we protect ourselves in real life. Because, honestly? Real life and cyberspace are getting pretty much indistinguishable nowadays.
And we need to get used to the fact that all of our information is accessible to anyone who is really determined. All of you naysayers, I could stalk you if I wanted. Anyone could. Anyone could stalk anyone. Do you have a cell phone? You obviously use a computer. There are a million ways to find someone, and RealID is only the latest, not even the best. This is simply the sign of a new age- we can either accept it and adapt, or be washed over with fear and lose ourselves in the tide.
So essentially your argument is because people could stalk you maybe while you're using an alias, why not just use your real name so that...you can be...stalked/harassed easier?
Also, ask the average person how to change their privacy settings on facebook, or do anything remotely like that. Chances are they won't be able to do it without a guiding hand
You might as well have been arguing that the British set up these amazing colonies and its their right to tax whatever they want. Its the direction commerce is taking and we should all just accept it and adapt or be wash away with the paddling wheel of progress.
No, my argument is that you don't have privacy. You just think you do. RealID doesn't take away anything you still have, or have had for a long time.
The solution to this problem isn't to prevent RealID, it's to adapt to NOT HAVING PRIVACY. If those facebook people need help? We should give them help. That's what they need, not for us to try futilely to stunt the advancement of cyberspace on their behalf.
The same reason Blizzard wants to implement Real ID on their forum (their forum is a cesspool of the worst kind of internet user) is the EXACT reason I do want my full name posted there.