You already don't get all the content though. Look at Noveria, there's what, three four ways to solve that situation? Of which you can only take one, locking out the rest. It'd simply be like that except more broadly applied, with some options only open if you took the renegade choice in that situation, and some if you took paragon.
(I actually kinda dissagree with the existance of a paragon/renegade bar)
I liked Noveria too. But every route accomplished the same thing, which is the initial complaint.
because if you have nothing against shooting people to get what you want, you're not going to have anything against not being a complete asshole to get what you want
but if you are not the kind of guy who doesn't shoot people unless he really has to you only have the non-asshole options
so therefore I'd like playing as a good cop to be harder in some cases than being a bad cop
because if not you're just being evil for evil's sake
not saying that being principled wouldn't have its advantages (other honest good people would trust you easier, maybe)
but being a good cop has advantages in some cases and a bad cop has in others
but in total I'd like sticking to noble principles to be harder than "the end justifies the means"
throw in some moral dilemmas where sticking to your principles means bad things are going to happen to innocent people
EDIT: And no sidequests that are all "oh please help me out of the kindness in your heart!" "Hey I don't give a fuck about you and your problems and if there was less witnesses around I'd feed you to my krogan for sport but I'm going to help you because I have this disorder where I want to do "quests""
EDIT2: Noveria should have had two routes to take: Either subtly snake your way through the twisting intricacies of corporate politics, like you end up doing, or come in all "I'm a spectre! Suck my dick and do my bidding!", like I did in the dialogue, and have that actually work. In the end. Sort of.
Giving me a choice beetween subtle and brute force would be fun. Having shepard as the least subtle meathead in the universe who'd rather headbutt his way through a door than find the key would be fun.
because if you have nothing against shooting people to get what you want, you're not going to have anything against not being a complete asshole to get what you want
but if you are not the kind of guy who doesn't shoot people unless he really has to you only have the non-asshole options
so therefore I'd like playing as a good cop to be harder in some cases than being a bad cop
because if not you're just being evil for evil's sake
not saying that being principled wouldn't have its advantages (other honest good people would trust you easier, maybe)
but being a good cop has advantages in some cases and a bad cop has in others
but in total I'd like sticking to noble principles to be harder than "the end justifies the means"
throw in some moral dilemmas where sticking to your principles means bad things are going to happen to innocent people
Mass Effect is a game, and having to actually do two playthroughs as both the most righteous cop in the universe and a loose cannon renegade in order to fully experience the game instead of just for fun would be annoying.
conversely, dungeons and dragons is a game, and having to play multiple scenarios to experience what would happen based on personality decisions is part of the charm
so basically i disagree with you
I like knowing that I don't have to obsessively track my progress on some bar in order to make sure I'm getting everything I want out of a game.
On the front page of every internet forum should be a little click-through.
"I acknowledge that having OCD is not an argument for anything ever."
because if you have nothing against shooting people to get what you want, you're not going to have anything against not being a complete asshole to get what you want
but if you are not the kind of guy who doesn't shoot people unless he really has to you only have the non-asshole options
so therefore I'd like playing as a good cop to be harder in some cases than being a bad cop
because if not you're just being evil for evil's sake
not saying that being principled wouldn't have its advantages (other honest good people would trust you easier, maybe)
but being a good cop has advantages in some cases and a bad cop has in others
but in total I'd like sticking to noble principles to be harder than "the end justifies the means"
throw in some moral dilemmas where sticking to your principles means bad things are going to happen to innocent people
see also: like half of star trek TNG
Like the episode where they discover the planet of junkies, and interfering with their dealer goes against the Prime Directive, so Picard takes a third option and refuses to hand over spare parts to repair their USS Pinto so they'll eventually lose the ability to get the drug and realise they they're not dying from an incurable disease?
I liked that episode. Except for Wesley and Tasha Yar talking about drugs.
Mass Effect is a game, and having to actually do two playthroughs as both the most righteous cop in the universe and a loose cannon renegade in order to fully experience the game instead of just for fun would be annoying.
Not to mention, you couldn't ever make a blend of renegade and paragon choices, because potentially you'd be locking yourself out from stuff.
yes because god forbid a single player game has replay value
because if you have nothing against shooting people to get what you want, you're not going to have anything against not being a complete asshole to get what you want
but if you are not the kind of guy who doesn't shoot people unless he really has to you only have the non-asshole options
so therefore I'd like playing as a good cop to be harder in some cases than being a bad cop
because if not you're just being evil for evil's sake
not saying that being principled wouldn't have its advantages (other honest good people would trust you easier, maybe)
but being a good cop has advantages in some cases and a bad cop has in others
but in total I'd like sticking to noble principles to be harder than "the end justifies the means"
throw in some moral dilemmas where sticking to your principles means bad things are going to happen to innocent people
see also: like half of star trek TNG
One of my favorite TNG quotes is Picard talking about how they didn't use a virus to kill the Borg when they had a chance. Along the lines of "The moral thing to do may not have been the right thing to do."
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Mass Effect is a game, and having to actually do two playthroughs as both the most righteous cop in the universe and a loose cannon renegade in order to fully experience the game instead of just for fun would be annoying.
conversely, dungeons and dragons is a game, and having to play multiple scenarios to experience what would happen based on personality decisions is part of the charm
so basically i disagree with you
I like knowing that I don't have to obsessively track my progress on some bar in order to make sure I'm getting everything I want out of a game.
On the front page of every internet forum should be a little click-through.
"I acknowledge that having OCD is not an argument for anything ever."
I don't understand.
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I want a checkbox that says "Any claims of Autism Spectrum disorders must be verified by an admin with a Dr. Excuse. Self diagnosis equals instant ban."
because if you have nothing against shooting people to get what you want, you're not going to have anything against not being a complete asshole to get what you want
but if you are not the kind of guy who doesn't shoot people unless he really has to you only have the non-asshole options
so therefore I'd like playing as a good cop to be harder in some cases than being a bad cop
because if not you're just being evil for evil's sake
not saying that being principled wouldn't have its advantages (other honest good people would trust you easier, maybe)
but being a good cop has advantages in some cases and a bad cop has in others
but in total I'd like sticking to noble principles to be harder than "the end justifies the means"
throw in some moral dilemmas where sticking to your principles means bad things are going to happen to innocent people
see also: like half of star trek TNG
corollary: the principles should be something like, the judiciary system and due process and inalienable rights instead of something as pants on head retarded as the prime directive
EDIT: I mean what kind of fucked up society decides "not giving a shit" is morally awesome
I want a checkbox that says "Any claims of Autism Spectrum disorders must be verified by an admin with a Dr. Excuse. Self diagnosis equals instant ban."
As an officially diagnosed aspie, I'm down with this. I've spoken with a number of people who claimed posession of an ASD. Maybe one of them actually struck my "this guy might actually have it" bell. Basically, being anti-social and having above average intelligence is not enough for a diagnosis.
No but seriously, AP's conversations are so much more dynamic and meaningful than anything you ever do in ME2.
A good example, that was already brought up, are the loyalty missions. Whether it be Zaeed's or Tali's or anyone at all. No matter what you do or what path you take, they'll be loyal to you and you'll unlock their last power. It doesn't really matter what you do, at all.
In AP, this isn't the case. If you do something against a character's wishes, they might abandon you. They might not help you. They might even turn on you. Infact, it's really hard to get every character to like you because some of them are conflicting. The conversations also lead to different options in later conversations. There's a point where you have a conversation with a bad guy and what happens then effects your fight with him later. Nothing like that happens in ME2.
The relationship dynamic is so much better than the simplicity of ME2.
And btw, Main, I'm probably gonna write up an AP review for LMB when I get the chance.
because if you have nothing against shooting people to get what you want, you're not going to have anything against not being a complete asshole to get what you want
but if you are not the kind of guy who doesn't shoot people unless he really has to you only have the non-asshole options
so therefore I'd like playing as a good cop to be harder in some cases than being a bad cop
because if not you're just being evil for evil's sake
not saying that being principled wouldn't have its advantages (other honest good people would trust you easier, maybe)
but being a good cop has advantages in some cases and a bad cop has in others
but in total I'd like sticking to noble principles to be harder than "the end justifies the means"
throw in some moral dilemmas where sticking to your principles means bad things are going to happen to innocent people
see also: like half of star trek TNG
corollary: the principles should be something like, the judiciary system and due process and inalienable rights instead of something as pants on head retarded as the prime directive
well yes
i am just saying i understand your point and agree
MA2 was much better about actually being ends justify the means vs by the book, rather then simply do the right thing or be a twat. Outside maybe two or three egregious examples.
I liked that episode. Except for Wesley and Tasha Yar talking about drugs.
Oh god that is possibly my least favourite TNG conversation of all time. Just so horrifically awful.
It was why she had to die. Her part was so anvilicious it threatened to create an anvil-shaped anomaly which would have erradicated all subtlety in the universe. A sacrifice was needed.
I want a checkbox that says "Any claims of Autism Spectrum disorders must be verified by an admin with a Dr. Excuse. Self diagnosis equals instant ban."
As an officially diagnosed aspie, I'm down with this. I've spoken with a number of people who claimed posession of an ASD. Maybe one of them actually struck my "this guy might actually have it" bell. Basically, being anti-social and having above average intelligence is not enough for a diagnosis.
I blame House for this. There was an episode where he was trying to fool everyone into thinking he had Asperger's so they'd leave him alone and accept him as a jerk.
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I want my choices in game to affect the real world. So when I refuse to save the orphanage in Elminsterville passersby on my way to work feel unsettled and an unexplainable revulsion.
And if I save the colonists on Theta IX from the brain-sucking monster at great personal cost the taxi driver who takes my drunken carcass home on Friday night will waive the bill without quite understanding why.
I want a checkbox that says "Any claims of Autism Spectrum disorders must be verified by an admin with a Dr. Excuse. Self diagnosis equals instant ban."
As an officially diagnosed aspie, I'm down with this. I've spoken with a number of people who claimed posession of an ASD. Maybe one of them actually struck my "this guy might actually have it" bell. Basically, being anti-social and having above average intelligence is not enough for a diagnosis.
It's so much easier to justify being awkward and yelling your unfiltered opinion at people if you have a disorder and aren't just being an antisocial douche
You know what, I don't mind a binary good and evil system in a game if it actually effects the side you are on at the end. Like instead of storming the bad guy's lair the same way you would if you were a good guy and then getting an ending where you become the bad guy, you actually join the evil side and work with them. Then you spend the rest of the game wiping out all the people you helped in the early game.
I hate choosing between being a white knight saving everyone and an antihero out for revenge when the end result is pretty much the same, and so are all the events leading up to it.
I want a checkbox that says "Any claims of Autism Spectrum disorders must be verified by an admin with a Dr. Excuse. Self diagnosis equals instant ban."
As an officially diagnosed aspie, I'm down with this. I've spoken with a number of people who claimed posession of an ASD. Maybe one of them actually struck my "this guy might actually have it" bell. Basically, being anti-social and having above average intelligence is not enough for a diagnosis.
Since you agree with this, we're going to need to see your doctor's note or else you have to voluntarily accept self-banning.
I want a checkbox that says "Any claims of Autism Spectrum disorders must be verified by an admin with a Dr. Excuse. Self diagnosis equals instant ban."
As an officially diagnosed aspie, I'm down with this. I've spoken with a number of people who claimed posession of an ASD. Maybe one of them actually struck my "this guy might actually have it" bell. Basically, being anti-social and having above average intelligence is not enough for a diagnosis.
I blame House for this. There was an episode where he was trying to fool everyone into thinking he had Asperger's so they'd leave him alone and accept him as a jerk.
people claiming to have ass-burgers was commonplace before it was on house, duder
it's basically turned into an excuse for anti-social nerds to cop out of taking responsibility for how they are dickheads towards people
because if you have nothing against shooting people to get what you want, you're not going to have anything against not being a complete asshole to get what you want
but if you are not the kind of guy who doesn't shoot people unless he really has to you only have the non-asshole options
so therefore I'd like playing as a good cop to be harder in some cases than being a bad cop
because if not you're just being evil for evil's sake
not saying that being principled wouldn't have its advantages (other honest good people would trust you easier, maybe)
but being a good cop has advantages in some cases and a bad cop has in others
but in total I'd like sticking to noble principles to be harder than "the end justifies the means"
throw in some moral dilemmas where sticking to your principles means bad things are going to happen to innocent people
see also: like half of star trek TNG
corollary: the principles should be something like, the judiciary system and due process and inalienable rights instead of something as pants on head retarded as the prime directive
well yes
i am just saying i understand your point and agree
I want a checkbox that says "Any claims of Autism Spectrum disorders must be verified by an admin with a Dr. Excuse. Self diagnosis equals instant ban."
As an officially diagnosed aspie, I'm down with this. I've spoken with a number of people who claimed posession of an ASD. Maybe one of them actually struck my "this guy might actually have it" bell. Basically, being anti-social and having above average intelligence is not enough for a diagnosis.
I blame House for this. There was an episode where he was trying to fool everyone into thinking he had Asperger's so they'd leave him alone and accept him as a jerk.
people claiming to have ass-burgers was commonplace before it was on house, duder
it's basically turned into an excuse for anti-social nerds to cop out of taking responsibility for how they are dickheads towards people
After that episode is when I really started noticing people doing that shit, but it's probably a bias confirmation thing. I'm totally with you though, jerkwads using it to excuse their shitty behavior is unacceptable.
My mother tried to tell me a couple months ago that she thought I had Asperger's and that it's gotten better as I've gotten older. I tried to explain that I definitely do not have it, but she still believes it. :?
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"I'm a mad god. The Mad God, actually. It's a family title. Gets passed down from me to myself every few thousand years."
it's basically always easier, especially in the short term, to blame some perceived medical condition for your behavior instead of taking responsibility for it
i allowed myself to do this with my former ASPD diagnosis, it's a terrible mistake
You know what, I don't mind a binary good and evil system in a game if it actually effects the side you are on at the end. Like instead of storming the bad guy's lair the same way you would if you were a good guy and then getting an ending where you become the bad guy, you actually join the evil side and work with them. Then you spend the rest of the game wiping out all the people you helped in the early game.
I hate choosing between being a white knight saving everyone and an antihero out for revenge when the end result is pretty much the same, and so are all the events leading up to it.
I am pretty sure I played a game where the options were basically Good: Destroy evil Evil: take out the competition
just because you're both evil doesn't mean you'll work together
rather the contrary
just that instead of foiling the villains attempt at world domination you basically just staged a coup and set yourself up as the new villain
I don't have a huge problem with the steps leading up to that being largely the same as a coup's a coup
What about games like Torment where you're still working in the same direction, since your goal isn't really good or evil related, but if you want you can really, really, really be a dick about it?
I want a checkbox that says "Any claims of Autism Spectrum disorders must be verified by an admin with a Dr. Excuse. Self diagnosis equals instant ban."
As an officially diagnosed aspie, I'm down with this. I've spoken with a number of people who claimed posession of an ASD. Maybe one of them actually struck my "this guy might actually have it" bell. Basically, being anti-social and having above average intelligence is not enough for a diagnosis.
I blame House for this. There was an episode where he was trying to fool everyone into thinking he had Asperger's so they'd leave him alone and accept him as a jerk.
people claiming to have ass-burgers was commonplace before it was on house, duder
it's basically turned into an excuse for anti-social nerds to cop out of taking responsibility for how they are dickheads towards people
You know what, I don't mind a binary good and evil system in a game if it actually effects the side you are on at the end. Like instead of storming the bad guy's lair the same way you would if you were a good guy and then getting an ending where you become the bad guy, you actually join the evil side and work with them. Then you spend the rest of the game wiping out all the people you helped in the early game.
I hate choosing between being a white knight saving everyone and an antihero out for revenge when the end result is pretty much the same, and so are all the events leading up to it.
I am pretty sure I played a game where the options were basically Good: Destroy evil Evil: take out the competition
just because you're both evil doesn't mean you'll work together
rather the contrary
just that instead of foiling the villains attempt at world domination you basically just staged a coup and set yourself up as the new villain
I don't have a huge problem with the steps leading up to that being largely the same as a coup's a coup
the original overlord was like that. kinda.
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I wish I was eating biscuits right now.
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asperger's is especially appealing as a self-diagnosis for socially maladjusted nerds because aspies have this pop culture reputation of being incredibly intelligent despite being socially retarded
so, it's like a way of saying you are handicapped and thus have an excuse for your behavior
but still feeling intelligent
some nerds see life like a game of GURPS and feel that for their brainsmarts they had to sacrifice points in their social skills or something
real life don't work that way
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Hrm, apparently Netflix has decided to give me a section recommending Marilyn Monroe movies. Excellent.
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Yeah, this is what I was arguing for.
the back sends a message indeed
and the message is "I like awful webcomics"
both sides are not the same
because if you have nothing against shooting people to get what you want, you're not going to have anything against not being a complete asshole to get what you want
but if you are not the kind of guy who doesn't shoot people unless he really has to you only have the non-asshole options
so therefore I'd like playing as a good cop to be harder in some cases than being a bad cop
because if not you're just being evil for evil's sake
not saying that being principled wouldn't have its advantages (other honest good people would trust you easier, maybe)
but being a good cop has advantages in some cases and a bad cop has in others
but in total I'd like sticking to noble principles to be harder than "the end justifies the means"
throw in some moral dilemmas where sticking to your principles means bad things are going to happen to innocent people
EDIT: And no sidequests that are all "oh please help me out of the kindness in your heart!" "Hey I don't give a fuck about you and your problems and if there was less witnesses around I'd feed you to my krogan for sport but I'm going to help you because I have this disorder where I want to do "quests""
EDIT2: Noveria should have had two routes to take: Either subtly snake your way through the twisting intricacies of corporate politics, like you end up doing, or come in all "I'm a spectre! Suck my dick and do my bidding!", like I did in the dialogue, and have that actually work. In the end. Sort of.
Giving me a choice beetween subtle and brute force would be fun. Having shepard as the least subtle meathead in the universe who'd rather headbutt his way through a door than find the key would be fun.
It just does combat so much worse.
see also: like half of star trek TNG
On the front page of every internet forum should be a little click-through.
"I acknowledge that having OCD is not an argument for anything ever."
"You know you're wearing shit because there's a CAD icon on the back of this t-shirt with some shite sentence"
Like the episode where they discover the planet of junkies, and interfering with their dealer goes against the Prime Directive, so Picard takes a third option and refuses to hand over spare parts to repair their USS Pinto so they'll eventually lose the ability to get the drug and realise they they're not dying from an incurable disease?
I liked that episode. Except for Wesley and Tasha Yar talking about drugs.
yes because god forbid a single player game has replay value
One of my favorite TNG quotes is Picard talking about how they didn't use a virus to kill the Borg when they had a chance. Along the lines of "The moral thing to do may not have been the right thing to do."
Oh god that is possibly my least favourite TNG conversation of all time. Just so horrifically awful.
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corollary: the principles should be something like, the judiciary system and due process and inalienable rights instead of something as pants on head retarded as the prime directive
EDIT: I mean what kind of fucked up society decides "not giving a shit" is morally awesome
As an officially diagnosed aspie, I'm down with this. I've spoken with a number of people who claimed posession of an ASD. Maybe one of them actually struck my "this guy might actually have it" bell. Basically, being anti-social and having above average intelligence is not enough for a diagnosis.
A good example, that was already brought up, are the loyalty missions. Whether it be Zaeed's or Tali's or anyone at all. No matter what you do or what path you take, they'll be loyal to you and you'll unlock their last power. It doesn't really matter what you do, at all.
In AP, this isn't the case. If you do something against a character's wishes, they might abandon you. They might not help you. They might even turn on you. Infact, it's really hard to get every character to like you because some of them are conflicting. The conversations also lead to different options in later conversations. There's a point where you have a conversation with a bad guy and what happens then effects your fight with him later. Nothing like that happens in ME2.
The relationship dynamic is so much better than the simplicity of ME2.
And btw, Main, I'm probably gonna write up an AP review for LMB when I get the chance.
I don't remember that.
Thank God.
My least favourite conversations in TNG are all in that episode where Beverley gets wet dreams about a Scottish space ghost.
well yes
i am just saying i understand your point and agree
It was why she had to die. Her part was so anvilicious it threatened to create an anvil-shaped anomaly which would have erradicated all subtlety in the universe. A sacrifice was needed.
I blame House for this. There was an episode where he was trying to fool everyone into thinking he had Asperger's so they'd leave him alone and accept him as a jerk.
because it was basically a rule against going around dicking about with pre-space flight civilizations, like Starfleet often did back in Kirk's day
later it turned into some faggoty sacred rule of moral relativism and non-interference
which led to some very retarded TNG and later Voyager episodes
DS9 largely avoided that shit
And if I save the colonists on Theta IX from the brain-sucking monster at great personal cost the taxi driver who takes my drunken carcass home on Friday night will waive the bill without quite understanding why.
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It's so much easier to justify being awkward and yelling your unfiltered opinion at people if you have a disorder and aren't just being an antisocial douche
I hate choosing between being a white knight saving everyone and an antihero out for revenge when the end result is pretty much the same, and so are all the events leading up to it.
Since you agree with this, we're going to need to see your doctor's note or else you have to voluntarily accept self-banning.
people claiming to have ass-burgers was commonplace before it was on house, duder
it's basically turned into an excuse for anti-social nerds to cop out of taking responsibility for how they are dickheads towards people
Cool.
Let's go make a game.
After that episode is when I really started noticing people doing that shit, but it's probably a bias confirmation thing. I'm totally with you though, jerkwads using it to excuse their shitty behavior is unacceptable.
My mother tried to tell me a couple months ago that she thought I had Asperger's and that it's gotten better as I've gotten older. I tried to explain that I definitely do not have it, but she still believes it. :?
i allowed myself to do this with my former ASPD diagnosis, it's a terrible mistake
but people do it all the time
I am pretty sure I played a game where the options were basically Good: Destroy evil Evil: take out the competition
just because you're both evil doesn't mean you'll work together
rather the contrary
just that instead of foiling the villains attempt at world domination you basically just staged a coup and set yourself up as the new villain
I don't have a huge problem with the steps leading up to that being largely the same as a coup's a coup
And before that everybody was a manic-depressive.
Aspergers is the new Ayn Rand
the original overlord was like that. kinda.
so, it's like a way of saying you are handicapped and thus have an excuse for your behavior
but still feeling intelligent
some nerds see life like a game of GURPS and feel that for their brainsmarts they had to sacrifice points in their social skills or something
real life don't work that way
is your girlfriend named biscuits