We could tell fun space adventure stories, but instead we'll stick Nova back on Earth patrolling New York City, where there are so few superheroes to keep things safe.
We could tell fun space adventure stories, but instead we'll stick Nova back on Earth patrolling New York City, where there are so few superheroes to keep things safe.
"Listen here nova corps! In the last few years the Corps lost there home world, we've had 2 inter universal conflicts, A clusterfuck of a war between the Shi'ar and the Kree, and the skrulls galaxy is most ways dead. Obviously I need to go to earth to patrol the streets, and since I'm gonna take 99% of the nova force with me and world mind I will officially be known as the man without fear since I can cock whip doctor dooms head clean off his shoulders and shatter Apocalypse's skeleton with my farts while Tea bagging the Hulks Sexy daughter."
I'm going to withhold judgment until there's more information available - the creative teams behind the last few years of the cosmic MU deserve the benefit of the doubt (IMO).
I'm going to withhold judgment until there's more information available - the creative teams behind the last few years of the cosmic MU deserve the benefit of the doubt (IMO).
This had better be one hellaciously good bout of reasoning.
Because god damm, If the explanation is that quesada has just been ignoring the cosmic line for the last few years and is just now discovering that Nova is the fucking buisness, and as such needs to be on earth fighting street gangs and such ((cuz earth is the big leagues)) I'm going to just wander around punching things for about a week.
I'm going to withhold judgment until there's more information available - the creative teams behind the last few years of the cosmic MU deserve the benefit of the doubt (IMO).
This had better be one hellaciously good bout of reasoning.
Because god damm, If the explanation is that quesada has just been ignoring the cosmic line for the last few years and is just now discovering that Nova is the fucking buisness, and as such needs to be on earth fighting street gangs and such ((cuz earth is the big leagues)) I'm going to just wander around punching things for about a week.
That is what I am feeling, but less angry. It seems very strange that Nova would turn up in NY city and stark fighting street gangs, though of course we have got almost fuck-all information about this so reserving judgement. Still, very strange, and makes me wonder what will happen in space beyond the Thanos Imperative. I really would like something to continue, and I would also like Nova to keep doing his leader of the space cops thing. He even had a number of supporting characters introduced into his story which have barely been used yet, there is the unexplored plot hook with Garthan Saal the Supernova etc.
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what if they just mean he goes blind or something?
Nova has been stopping Universe destroying threats since 2005
The Avengers have been doing it since the 60's
Yeah but the Avengers have been doing it on low level threats or by Deus Ex Machina to make people like Cap relevant. Nova does it on his lunch break with his bare lasering hands.
The cosmic line the last several years is why Earth based stuff is not big leagues for a guy like Nova anymore. I can't get over how you could possible think Earth matters when you work from a cosmic standpoint in Marvel right now.
i've always thought thor and captain america were incredibly boring and lame and i like nova and cosmic marvel because (so far) plot changes can and do happen and actually stick
Sweet, keep me posted. I wll probably harass you Sunday night.
Yeah, Nova is powerful. He and bunch of other dudes stopped Annihulus or whatever its name was. That was pretty cool event, but the art was very uneven.
The cosmic line the last several years is why Earth based stuff is not big leagues for a guy like Nova anymore. I can't get over how you could possible think Earth matters when you work from a cosmic standpoint in Marvel right now.
Because 9 times out of 10 before the past few years, every time cosmic shit happened, it was The Avengers, not some magic spacemen saving the day.
Because the Earth is the focal point of the universe, and half the reason Nova fights what he does in space is to keep it from getting to earth.
Have you forgotten Secret Invasion?
You know the whole big outer space invasion that messed up everything
The one that invaded Earth
Or hey, Nova fought the Phalanx
Which made its first appearance as a threat on Earth
Space battles are great and all and I enjoy them
But The Avengers have been dealing with and will continue to deal with the shit Nova does long after Nova is gone.
And let's not forget the shit Nova doesn't deal with
Supernatural horrors like Dormammu and reality altering terrors.
Where's Nova when magical demons and junk threaten the very fabric of reality?
I mean until the whole Thanos Imperative.
Where was he the billion of times it happened before?
Nowhere.
But the Avengers are there.
They are the Number 1 ass-kickers of any and all threat, be it on Earth, in Space, or from an alternate reality. They fight evil sorcerors, universe destroying terrors, crazy dictators, gods, and all things in between.
Nova ain't shit compared to what the Avengers have accomplished and will continue to.
I think you are completely and utterly wrong, but there isn't much reason to argue it, neither one of us are going to change our position. I'll just leave it at I find it completely ridiculous to stick Nova on Earth right now.
I do think it's kind of funny that people complain about Nova taking orders from Cap, just because he was one of the lead commanders during Annihilation and Conquest. If I remember correctly, Nova was never shown to be a particularly good military leader, with his forces repeatedly beaten back, his elite soldiers killed or captured, and himself eventually possessed by the enemy. I mean, Ultron and Annihilus were really only defeated when everyone just said fuck it, and bum-rushed them.
The dude could probably stand to learn some things from Cap.
It's hard to take Cap seriously as a leader because the people who write him don't really know how a person with Cap's skills would behave as a leader.
Which is why Secret Invasion didn't end with some brilliant plan, but with Cap's team succeeding against a threat they didn't anticipate through means they didn't know would be available to them. In short, they're lucky SOBs.
And suddenly, all this panic about Nova being The Man Without Fear looks even dumber...as they just showed a similar teaser, but with Gambit, at the X-Men panel.
i've always thought thor and captain america were incredibly boring and lame and i like nova and cosmic marvel because (so far) plot changes can and do happen and actually stick
This makes me sad, primarily because its so dependent on which stories you read the characters in. Specific runs of Thor (Lee/Kirby, Buscema, Simonson, Jurgens/JRJR, even DeFalco/Frenz) and Cap (Steranko, Stern/Byrne, cherry-picked parts of the Gruenwald run, Waid/Garney, Brubaker) are decidely not boring and not lame. It's not the characters fault that specific writers just don't understand what makes each character work (and I suppose its not the creators fault that they can't hit a homerun every month - making comic books appears to be really, really, really difficult).
I do think it's kind of funny that people complain about Nova taking orders from Cap, just because he was one of the lead commanders during Annihilation and Conquest. If I remember correctly, Nova was never shown to be a particularly good military leader, with his forces repeatedly beaten back, his elite soldiers killed or captured, and himself eventually possessed by the enemy. I mean, Ultron and Annihilus were really only defeated when everyone just said fuck it, and bum-rushed them.
The dude could probably stand to learn some things from Cap.
He stopped the Annihilation wave at least for a time. He wasn't incompetent, he did a good job of keeping the coalition alive against horrendous odds, and it was shown a few times in the issues that he was a good tactician, like when he use the bugs random fire to actually take them out, and rallyed those other Novas with his plan, which was pretty cool. He's not anything particularly special but he knows the ropes and can command effectively.
And TLB you are the most worked up person in this thread, none of the actual Nova fans have got so wound up about this as you have. If you don't like Nova, don't get involved in discussions about his character. For the record, I never said that the Avengers were shit, just that it didn't make much sense for Nova to be involved on Earth, as he has more important things (as far as him and his job are concerned) to be doing in space.
It's also just thematically off. Daredevil in Nova's role wouldn't work, that's not how the character was designed and not the environment that he is supposed to operate in. If Daredevil was in the Thanos Imperative people would be thinking, and understandably so, wtf? It works the same the other way round, Nova is a cosmic hero and him being just on Earth is not his setting, it's not where he should really be and not a place which is conducive to good stories. Maybe every now and then, but not permanently at all.
The Avengers have accomplished some amazing things, and so has Nova. But they have different roles and different settings and will continue to do so. Nova Prime cannot hang out in the Devil's Kitchen when his drastically reduced Nova Corps do their best to keep order. The galaxy is a four alarm fire and he's needed in space. Of course the Thanos Imperative may change that, whether that's a good thing I don't know, though I'd say perhaps not.
Seriously, stop complaining that we really like a character more than the Avengers. You don't think he's up to much, we get it.
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Unless bob the purse snatch is packing the power cosmic, this is ridiculous overkill.
Maybe they're trying to duplicate their success with the Incredible Hulk -> Incredible Hercules?
Though I don't know of any connection between Daredevil and Nova...
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"Listen here nova corps! In the last few years the Corps lost there home world, we've had 2 inter universal conflicts, A clusterfuck of a war between the Shi'ar and the Kree, and the skrulls galaxy is most ways dead. Obviously I need to go to earth to patrol the streets, and since I'm gonna take 99% of the nova force with me and world mind I will officially be known as the man without fear since I can cock whip doctor dooms head clean off his shoulders and shatter Apocalypse's skeleton with my farts while Tea bagging the Hulks Sexy daughter."
"Have fun!"
This had better be one hellaciously good bout of reasoning.
Because god damm, If the explanation is that quesada has just been ignoring the cosmic line for the last few years and is just now discovering that Nova is the fucking buisness, and as such needs to be on earth fighting street gangs and such ((cuz earth is the big leagues)) I'm going to just wander around punching things for about a week.
Maybe we are about to get a run of Space Daredevil.
That is what I am feeling, but less angry. It seems very strange that Nova would turn up in NY city and stark fighting street gangs, though of course we have got almost fuck-all information about this so reserving judgement. Still, very strange, and makes me wonder what will happen in space beyond the Thanos Imperative. I really would like something to continue, and I would also like Nova to keep doing his leader of the space cops thing. He even had a number of supporting characters introduced into his story which have barely been used yet, there is the unexplored plot hook with Garthan Saal the Supernova etc.
Nova is going to spend time on earth where the things he does will actually matter and people will care about him
And seriously bitching about that big leagues line is ridiculous
Of course The Avengers are the big leagues
They been stopping threats that Nova just started fighting for years
Earth is the focal point of the Universe
The Avengers are Earth's Mightiest Heroes
It's like making fun of someone who, while he may be a genius, being psyched that he is going to Harvard
Seriously
The Nova boner is fucking ridiculous
what is up tlb
when you are going to get your RDR disc back and play with me
Richard is cock whipping threats that the fantastic 4, X-men, and avengers have as a team struggled against.
He is legitimatley more powerful then any of the avengers.
Hell, in terms of the cosmic setting, it's only the most absolutley ridiculous critters that he can't solo.
If you read good comics you would know this.
And Yes: I have a boner for almost all things cosmic.
That's great, he's powerful
Whoop de shit
The Avengers have had more powerful members than him on the team before, and will have more long after people stop caring about Nova
How powerful he is or isn't has nothing to do with how prestigious the Avengers are
They are the big leagues
Now I know it's subtle, but I think this guy has issues with the JMS Superman run
Also throw me into TLB's camp even though I've been really enjoying the cosmic stuff
The Avengers have been doing it since the 60's
Yeah but the Avengers have been doing it on low level threats or by Deus Ex Machina to make people like Cap relevant. Nova does it on his lunch break with his bare lasering hands.
When was the last time the Centaurians got off their asses and stopped Thanos from unmaking existence?
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Yeah, Nova is powerful. He and bunch of other dudes stopped Annihulus or whatever its name was. That was pretty cool event, but the art was very uneven.
Because 9 times out of 10 before the past few years, every time cosmic shit happened, it was The Avengers, not some magic spacemen saving the day.
Because the Earth is the focal point of the universe, and half the reason Nova fights what he does in space is to keep it from getting to earth.
Have you forgotten Secret Invasion?
You know the whole big outer space invasion that messed up everything
The one that invaded Earth
Or hey, Nova fought the Phalanx
Which made its first appearance as a threat on Earth
Space battles are great and all and I enjoy them
But The Avengers have been dealing with and will continue to deal with the shit Nova does long after Nova is gone.
And let's not forget the shit Nova doesn't deal with
Supernatural horrors like Dormammu and reality altering terrors.
Where's Nova when magical demons and junk threaten the very fabric of reality?
I mean until the whole Thanos Imperative.
Where was he the billion of times it happened before?
Nowhere.
But the Avengers are there.
They are the Number 1 ass-kickers of any and all threat, be it on Earth, in Space, or from an alternate reality. They fight evil sorcerors, universe destroying terrors, crazy dictators, gods, and all things in between.
Nova ain't shit compared to what the Avengers have accomplished and will continue to.
Second point of order: the only team worthy of taking on Dormammu is the muthafucking Defenders, yo
Books based on Earth sell more than books based in Space
The readers care more about Earth
Earth makes more money
Therefore, Earth is more important
Nova is from Earth
that's right
The savior of the Universe
is from Earth
The dude could probably stand to learn some things from Cap.
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Which is why Secret Invasion didn't end with some brilliant plan, but with Cap's team succeeding against a threat they didn't anticipate through means they didn't know would be available to them. In short, they're lucky SOBs.
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This makes me sad, primarily because its so dependent on which stories you read the characters in. Specific runs of Thor (Lee/Kirby, Buscema, Simonson, Jurgens/JRJR, even DeFalco/Frenz) and Cap (Steranko, Stern/Byrne, cherry-picked parts of the Gruenwald run, Waid/Garney, Brubaker) are decidely not boring and not lame. It's not the characters fault that specific writers just don't understand what makes each character work (and I suppose its not the creators fault that they can't hit a homerun every month - making comic books appears to be really, really, really difficult).
He stopped the Annihilation wave at least for a time. He wasn't incompetent, he did a good job of keeping the coalition alive against horrendous odds, and it was shown a few times in the issues that he was a good tactician, like when he use the bugs random fire to actually take them out, and rallyed those other Novas with his plan, which was pretty cool. He's not anything particularly special but he knows the ropes and can command effectively.
And TLB you are the most worked up person in this thread, none of the actual Nova fans have got so wound up about this as you have. If you don't like Nova, don't get involved in discussions about his character. For the record, I never said that the Avengers were shit, just that it didn't make much sense for Nova to be involved on Earth, as he has more important things (as far as him and his job are concerned) to be doing in space.
It's also just thematically off. Daredevil in Nova's role wouldn't work, that's not how the character was designed and not the environment that he is supposed to operate in. If Daredevil was in the Thanos Imperative people would be thinking, and understandably so, wtf? It works the same the other way round, Nova is a cosmic hero and him being just on Earth is not his setting, it's not where he should really be and not a place which is conducive to good stories. Maybe every now and then, but not permanently at all.
The Avengers have accomplished some amazing things, and so has Nova. But they have different roles and different settings and will continue to do so. Nova Prime cannot hang out in the Devil's Kitchen when his drastically reduced Nova Corps do their best to keep order. The galaxy is a four alarm fire and he's needed in space. Of course the Thanos Imperative may change that, whether that's a good thing I don't know, though I'd say perhaps not.
Seriously, stop complaining that we really like a character more than the Avengers. You don't think he's up to much, we get it.