Maybe I just think Brubaker is too capable a writer to do something truly "bad". I will admit his X-men stuff is my least favorite work from him but I think the truly "bad" stuff should be reserved to Amazons Attack, Countdown, Ultimates 3, and so on.
I also admit I'm not really a great guy to rank comics since I seem to have a high tolerance for stuff most people consider between bad and awful, or Greg Land in Texiken's case.
The only two comic stories I consider completely awful and without merit are Onslaught Reborn and Salvation Run.
Those little green bastards got what was coming to them eh?
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I thought they would have canceled the Superman panel just because it would be the right thing to do, but nooooo:
Turning to a slide of an upcoming cover showing a young boy with a bruise on his face, Idelson jokingly asks JMS, "and this is the issue where we find out that you hate kids?" JMS: "This is me at 12. A Superman t-shirt and a black eye. We want to deal with issues like child abuse, things that are not easily resolved. You can't punch poverty. You can't punch our casual cruelty to each other. So what do you do about these things? There are some things he can solve, and some things he cannot."
Way to completely miss the point of superhero comics, JMS.
I thought they would have canceled the Superman panel just because it would be the right thing to do, but nooooo:
Turning to a slide of an upcoming cover showing a young boy with a bruise on his face, Idelson jokingly asks JMS, "and this is the issue where we find out that you hate kids?" JMS: "This is me at 12. A Superman t-shirt and a black eye. We want to deal with issues like child abuse, things that are not easily resolved. You can't punch poverty. You can't punch our casual cruelty to each other. So what do you do about these things? There are some things he can solve, and some things he cannot."
Way to completely miss the point of superhero comics, JMS.
So no one at the panel called out JMS on his handling of Superman? They shouldn't have been nasty about it of course, just point out how completely out of character and illogical Superman acts under the allmighty pen of JMS.
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"As far as people upset that he's just walking across the country, that's almost a cynical point of view," JMS continued, adding that every person has a cool story behind them, and multiculturalism is an important aspect of "Grounded."
He pulls out the cynical card! Trying to paint critics as "da haterz!"
JMS is asked about the motivations behind Superman's walk in "Grounded." "In Superman's case, it's form follows function, because I wanted him to be involved in the lives of everyday people, and you can't do that while you're flying," JMS says. "He could take a car, but that would look kind of strange with a cape flying out of the window."
He's never read a Superman comic! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?!?!
Fan: "Superman's always been considered the ultimate immigrant. What's going to happen when he steps foot in Arizona?" JMS: "I actually do deal with this." After consulting with Idelson if the walk takes him to Arizona, JMS said, "I could have some fun with this."
so, going back a few pages, OMIT is completely pointless. we learned nothing of importance in this issue. and i love that in the letters page they say they're answering questions about OMD that people have been dying to know. what? everyone hated OMD, no one cares anymore, let's move on. spider-man has been so good recently, why are you stopping the momentum?
I thought they would have canceled the Superman panel just because it would be the right thing to do, but nooooo:
Turning to a slide of an upcoming cover showing a young boy with a bruise on his face, Idelson jokingly asks JMS, "and this is the issue where we find out that you hate kids?" JMS: "This is me at 12. A Superman t-shirt and a black eye. We want to deal with issues like child abuse, things that are not easily resolved. You can't punch poverty. You can't punch our casual cruelty to each other. So what do you do about these things? There are some things he can solve, and some things he cannot."
Way to completely miss the point of superhero comics, JMS.
So no one at the panel called out JMS on his handling of Superman? They shouldn't have been nasty about it of course, just point out how completely out of character and illogical Superman acts under the allmighty pen of JMS.
Is it possible to eloquently call someone out at a comics panel? I think some kind of nebulous energy field turns anyone that stands up to say anything from the audience at a comic panel into a petulant inarticulate neck beard.
I thought they would have canceled the Superman panel just because it would be the right thing to do, but nooooo:
Turning to a slide of an upcoming cover showing a young boy with a bruise on his face, Idelson jokingly asks JMS, "and this is the issue where we find out that you hate kids?" JMS: "This is me at 12. A Superman t-shirt and a black eye. We want to deal with issues like child abuse, things that are not easily resolved. You can't punch poverty. You can't punch our casual cruelty to each other. So what do you do about these things? There are some things he can solve, and some things he cannot."
Way to completely miss the point of superhero comics, JMS.
So no one at the panel called out JMS on his handling of Superman? They shouldn't have been nasty about it of course, just point out how completely out of character and illogical Superman acts under the allmighty pen of JMS.
Is it possible to eloquently call someone out at a comics panel? I think some kind of nebulous energy field turns anyone that stands up to say anything from the audience at a comic panel into a petulant inarticulate neck beard.
Heh, maybe next year we as a forum should sponsor someone to go to these panels and complain to the writers faces.
Fan: "Superman's always been considered the ultimate immigrant. What's going to happen when he steps foot in Arizona?" JMS: "I actually do deal with this." After consulting with Idelson if the walk takes him to Arizona, JMS said, "I could have some fun with this."
This is not a good idea at all.
Didnt Birthright or some other comic already touch on immigration? Like he wouldnt help them break the law, but hed save them from people trying to kill them or something?
He should just put them in a rocket and send them to Alan Moore's rendition of Rann, a futuristic utopia where humans are revered for their precious seed.
You wanna do non-union work in a meatpacking plant or get a jetpack and bang space-women?
Fan: "Superman's always been considered the ultimate immigrant. What's going to happen when he steps foot in Arizona?" JMS: "I actually do deal with this." After consulting with Idelson if the walk takes him to Arizona, JMS said, "I could have some fun with this."
This is not a good idea at all.
Didnt Birthright or some other comic already touch on immigration? Like he wouldnt help them break the law, but hed save them from people trying to kill them or something?
Action Comics #800 did (I mentioned that in a previous bitch)
What it actually was (after reading it again a few days ago), in order to not make it more political, was that they were Cuban refugees who went through Mexico to get into America.
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Man Superman can fly into a bank and fix poverty in 30 seconds.
That would just be punching a bandaid onto poverty. JMS (of course) means that you can't punch the root causes of poverty.
This is all explained fully in his new self help book: You Can't Punch War But You Can Hug Peace.
Man Superman can fly into a bank and fix poverty in 30 seconds.
That would just be punching a bandaid onto poverty. JMS (of course) means that you can't punch the root causes of poverty.
This is all explained fully in his new self help book: You Can't Punch War But You Can Hug Peace.
But Superman has never set out to fix poverty. He has always believed that he can't do everything for mankind, they have to keep on working to better themselves. He will help, but he doesn't want to take the drive which he believes makes them great.
Man Superman can fly into a bank and fix poverty in 30 seconds.
That would just be punching a bandaid onto poverty. JMS (of course) means that you can't punch the root causes of poverty.
This is all explained fully in his new self help book: You Can't Punch War But You Can Hug Peace.
But Superman has never set out to fix poverty. He has always believed that he can't do everything for mankind, they have to keep on working to better themselves. He will help, but he doesn't want to take the drive which he believes makes them great.
This is all very silly.
But he didn't adequately perform his established role as on-call brain surgeon to the masses, so now we all must pay...
I don't know that Bendis using the Red Hulk in the Avengers is any less egregious than 99% of the other stuff he's done in those books. You either accept that the Avengers line of books has a particular flavor and you go with it, or pick up something else (like back issues of the version of the Avengers you might prefer).
And hell, its still going to be drawn by JRJR, so it has that going for it.
I don't really understand why these shows are so easily discarded - I would think that its really expensive to develop a show like Brave and the Bold (or Wolverine and the X-Men, or any number of decent shows that have been cut down after a season or two).
I don't really understand why these shows are so easily discarded - I would think that its really expensive to develop a show like Brave and the Bold (or Wolverine and the X-Men, or any number of decent shows that have been cut down after a season or two).
For Wolverine And the X-Men, it was just a horrible amount of shittyness. There's no real big network to push those shows in the US anymore, and Saturday Morning Cartoons are so dead that it's not profitable to do one of these shows on the few remaining blocks.
They ended up airing the show on a digital-only network that few people receive, and the network brushed it aside constantly for no reason. The entire show had aired completely in Canada and the UK before it even started in the US, and that probably set production behind tons. Then NickToons wouldn't pay-in to produce a second season, and everything fell apart.
With Brave and the Bold, it's even harder to say. This was a show that won over a lot of skeptics, but also had a quick renewal for a second season.
The good news is they're both getting cheap season sets this year. Brave and the Bold is getting a 13 episode release for $20 in August, and WatXM is getting a full-season set in October.
People at marvel said they'd find a way to continue WatXM, so I've been waiting to hear something about that at the con, but nothing so far.
The BatB showrunner implied he's working on a new Batman series, so we'll see where that goes.
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x-men in space is supposed to be fun
I never thought of it that way, but it's true. Long live Simonson's X-Factor run and First Class!
Remember when Jean killed billions of aliens?
Good times man, good times.
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The only two comic stories I consider completely awful and without merit are Onslaught Reborn and Salvation Run.
Edit: And keep in mind I've read Ultimatum.
I refer you to my stance on aliens
ie: space foreigners
Those little green bastards got what was coming to them eh?
Way to completely miss the point of superhero comics, JMS.
they had it too good for too long
So no one at the panel called out JMS on his handling of Superman? They shouldn't have been nasty about it of course, just point out how completely out of character and illogical Superman acts under the allmighty pen of JMS.
He pulls out the cynical card! Trying to paint critics as "da haterz!"
He's never read a Superman comic! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?!?!
This is not a good idea at all.
and why is MJ chubby now?
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Is it possible to eloquently call someone out at a comics panel? I think some kind of nebulous energy field turns anyone that stands up to say anything from the audience at a comic panel into a petulant inarticulate neck beard.
Heh, maybe next year we as a forum should sponsor someone to go to these panels and complain to the writers faces.
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Didnt Birthright or some other comic already touch on immigration? Like he wouldnt help them break the law, but hed save them from people trying to kill them or something?
You wanna do non-union work in a meatpacking plant or get a jetpack and bang space-women?
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Action Comics #800 did (I mentioned that in a previous bitch)
What it actually was (after reading it again a few days ago), in order to not make it more political, was that they were Cuban refugees who went through Mexico to get into America.
Why isn't anybody helping him!?
That would just be punching a bandaid onto poverty. JMS (of course) means that you can't punch the root causes of poverty.
This is all explained fully in his new self help book: You Can't Punch War But You Can Hug Peace.
But Superman has never set out to fix poverty. He has always believed that he can't do everything for mankind, they have to keep on working to better themselves. He will help, but he doesn't want to take the drive which he believes makes them great.
This is all very silly.
But he didn't adequately perform his established role as on-call brain surgeon to the masses, so now we all must pay...
Commence bitching......now!
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Red Hulk speaking in Bendis speak
General Ross
Who punched out The Watcher and totally lifted Thor's hammer
Who spent two years on a murder/douchebag fest
This guy will be talking in annoying Bendis speak
It is the perfect storm of terrible
And hell, its still going to be drawn by JRJR, so it has that going for it.
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For Wolverine And the X-Men, it was just a horrible amount of shittyness. There's no real big network to push those shows in the US anymore, and Saturday Morning Cartoons are so dead that it's not profitable to do one of these shows on the few remaining blocks.
They ended up airing the show on a digital-only network that few people receive, and the network brushed it aside constantly for no reason. The entire show had aired completely in Canada and the UK before it even started in the US, and that probably set production behind tons. Then NickToons wouldn't pay-in to produce a second season, and everything fell apart.
With Brave and the Bold, it's even harder to say. This was a show that won over a lot of skeptics, but also had a quick renewal for a second season.
The good news is they're both getting cheap season sets this year. Brave and the Bold is getting a 13 episode release for $20 in August, and WatXM is getting a full-season set in October.
People at marvel said they'd find a way to continue WatXM, so I've been waiting to hear something about that at the con, but nothing so far.
The BatB showrunner implied he's working on a new Batman series, so we'll see where that goes.