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Bitching Thread IV: I Must Break You (of bad comics)

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  • The Lovely BastardThe Lovely Bastard Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I just throw out the comics I am not going to read anymore

    I got two longboxes and am going to need a third

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Algertman wrote: »
    The Marvel guy I don't know. The Legion guy I have no idea simply becuase he owns so much stuff. Legion guy gets model kits and Star Trek merchandising. His Trek collection has to be insane.

    Your store should have a "best collection" contest or something, just so you can get a peak into these guys' lives.

    I mean, unless they're totally irresponsible, they've probably got some neat displays to showcase their collections.

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  • cshadow42cshadow42 Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I'm still amazed that there is a market for all these busts and sculptures. Spending that much money on them just seems...ludicrous.

    But then again, I probably shouldn't talk because I have a life-sized statue of Spider-man in my apartment entryway. I got him at a yard sale dirt cheap, and my wife and I like to dress him up according to our whims. Right now he's serving as a hat rack for our hard hats.

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited August 2010
    Algertman wrote: »
    He owns a Darwyne Cooke original of Batman and Robin.

    punch him in the face and mail it to me

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I just don't really understand collecting comics like that? In almost every case you're just putting them in boxes and never looking at them again. It's having for the sake of having.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Langly wrote: »
    I just don't really understand collecting comics like that? In almost every case you're just putting them in boxes and never looking at them again. It's having for the sake of having.

    For lot's of people that's a good enough reason.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Keith wrote: »
    Algertman wrote: »
    He owns a Darwyne Cooke original of Batman and Robin.

    punch him in the face and mail it to me

    No. It's mine.

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  • PhoneBonePhoneBone Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Solar wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    I just don't really understand collecting comics like that? In almost every case you're just putting them in boxes and never looking at them again. It's having for the sake of having.

    For lot's of people that's a good enough reason.
    I'm certainly one of those people, but isn't that what most people do/did with movies or any other form of collectable media?

    I've got tons of dvd's lying somewhere in the attic, as well as audio cd's and games, that I'll probably never see, hear or play again. If I sold them, however, I'd still regret it down the line.

    At least with comics I still regularly find the urge to pull out a golden oldie to reread. Granted though, I don't collect singles, only trades / hardcovers, so I have all my books proudly displayed in bookcases in a separate room.

    I do suffer heavily from collector's itch, though. It has me padding my shopping cart with way too many books each and every time I collect my pre-ordered items at my LCS.

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  • HtownHtown Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    PhoneBone wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    Langly wrote: »
    I just don't really understand collecting comics like that? In almost every case you're just putting them in boxes and never looking at them again. It's having for the sake of having.

    For lot's of people that's a good enough reason.
    I'm certainly one of those people, but isn't that what most people do/did with movies or any other form of collectable media?
    No?

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Darwyn Cooke to Frank Miller: Fuck You

    Cooke comes out swingin'.

    Now, who's a character that became a lesbian overnight? I guess he's probably talking about Batwoman, perhaps not knowing that she's a new character?

    Personally, while I think Rape n' Murder Comics need to go, I think targeting everything towards children is equally pointless. I'd be happy if more comics would fall into that Booster Gold/Ultimate Spider-Man/Power Girl area, where they're able to do drama, humor, and action. Comics that appeal to adults, but don't possess elements that are exclusionary to younger readers.

    That said, Darwyn Cooke wrote the scene where Wonder Woman liberated a Vietnamese rape camp through mass murder, so mayyyybe he shouldn't cast stones from his glass house.

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  • DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    But Munch, living in a glass house means you can better see where to cast your stones. In fact only people in glass houses should cast stones.

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  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I posit that homelessness is ideal for casting stones as you have an unobstructed field of vision

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Munch wrote: »
    Darwyn Cooke to Frank Miller: Fuck You

    Cooke comes out swingin'.

    Now, who's a character that became a lesbian overnight? I guess he's probably talking about Batwoman, perhaps not knowing that she's a new character?

    Personally, while I think Rape n' Murder Comics need to go, I think targeting everything towards children is equally pointless. I'd be happy if more comics would fall into that Booster Gold/Ultimate Spider-Man/Power Girl area, where they're able to do drama, humor, and action. Comics that appeal to adults, but don't possess elements that are exclusionary to younger readers.

    That said, Darwyn Cooke wrote the scene where Wonder Woman liberated a Vietnamese rape camp through mass murder, so mayyyybe he shouldn't cast stones from his glass house.

    Do as I say, not as I do, It's the very basis of parenting.

    He is right in many regards, even if he doesn't necessarily meet his own standards. I agree that pointing everything at children is pointless, but the best comics of this year have mostly been accessible to both children and adults, such as Thor: The Mighty Avenger, Nova, Ultimate Comics Spider-Man etc.

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Cooke also could have added "I don't want to see supposed "heroes" beating people to death with dead cats".

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  • TheSecretSeventhTheSecretSeventh GARegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    im not a collector at all, but i get too many comics weekly. ive been buying for two years and i have a full DC longbox, and full Marvel longbox, a full Spiderman/X-men longbox, a half full Star Wars/Dark Horse shortbox, and a shortbox that contains infinite crisis/countdown/52 that i got for $10. thats right, i got ~110 issues for $10.

    i need at least two more longboxes, but having full ones helps me not buy as many comics not already on my pull.

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  • cshadow42cshadow42 Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    After collecting over 15 longboxes, I've decided to cut out buying singles except for Walking Dead and KODT. Its trades only for me from now on.

    And doing trades only lets me see how good a single's run is before I buy, so there is an overall increase in quality.

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  • Stand, Killer QueenStand, Killer Queen Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Munch wrote: »

    Now, who's a character that became a lesbian overnight? I guess he's probably talking about Batwoman, perhaps not knowing that she's a new character?

    But Batwoman isn't a new character. You can get technical and point out she's Kate Kane, but nobody cares. She's still Batwoman. I think his point is that they didn't know what to do with her so they slapped on a gay gimmick.

    Which isn't entirely fair since they've done a pretty okay job with her, but I can imagine his dislike for it.

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  • cshadow42cshadow42 Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    It would be freaking awesome if they slapped the gay gimmick on Superman. Or even a Superman-clone, like the Sentry. Just imagine the Sentry-Void dynamic then...

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  • CyberJackalCyberJackal Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Actually, the gay Superman analogue has been done already.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Munch wrote: »

    Now, who's a character that became a lesbian overnight? I guess he's probably talking about Batwoman, perhaps not knowing that she's a new character?

    But Batwoman isn't a new character. You can get technical and point out she's Kate Kane, but nobody cares. She's still Batwoman. I think his point is that they didn't know what to do with her so they slapped on a gay gimmick.

    Which isn't entirely fair since they've done a pretty okay job with her, but I can imagine his dislike for it.
    But how long had that name laid fallow? Three decades? There hasn't been a Batwoman since the Silver Age, right? I think at that point, you can safely do whatever you want with them.

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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated NZRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Munch wrote: »

    Now, who's a character that became a lesbian overnight? I guess he's probably talking about Batwoman, perhaps not knowing that she's a new character?

    But Batwoman isn't a new character. You can get technical and point out she's Kate Kane, but nobody cares. She's still Batwoman. I think his point is that they didn't know what to do with her so they slapped on a gay gimmick.

    Which isn't entirely fair since they've done a pretty okay job with her, but I can imagine his dislike for it.

    By that logic, Blue Beetle became hispanic overnight! Oh no!

    Don't be ridiculous. She's an entirely new character taking up a legacy role. Also, seeing as Rucka was involved in both her creation (in 52) and her actual book, I somehow doubt he made her gay just because they didn't know what to do with her. More likely was that they made her gay because it was a natural way to bring her into 52 (being Renee's former girlfriend and everything).

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    He probably gave a hypothetical example since, while speaking off the cuff, nothing specific came to mind.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Cooke knows something we don't know.

    JMS to make Lana Lang a lesbian (he does mention a creator who knows nothing about the character, and JMS is proving that in Superman every month).

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  • CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Cooke is adapting the Parker novels into graphic novels, which last I checked can get pretty violent.

    That doesn't make him wrong or a hypocrite. It's all relative.

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  • LuxLux Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    I am sure if he were to expand on his views it would seem less hypocritical and more reasonable. He does not strike me as the kind of guy to be obliviously contradictory.

    I mean, he could be talking about an all-ages approach like Pixar films, or talking about superhero comics specifically, or by "younger people" he means younger than "perverted 45 year old men," I don't know. I am just prepared to give him more credit than him not realizing that New Frontier can be violent too.

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  • cardboard delusionscardboard delusions USAgent PSN: USAgent31Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    That and there are varying degrees of violence. I mean when used properly it conveys a powerful message, improperly you get a drug addict hitting people with a dead cat.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Well, sure. I've defended Robert Kirkman's hypocritical stance on gorefests, by stating that his characters don't appear on lunchboxes and cartoons aimed at children. Likewise, Cooke isn't really writing for characters that should be accessible to children, or characters that have merchandise designed to appeal to children.

    But it irritates the fuck out of me that people like Cooke and Kirkman, people with genuine influence and sway within the industry, lament a lack of child-friendly content, while making absolutely no effort to create that content. With Cooke it's even a bit more egregious, because the rape camp scene in New Frontier was then adapted into a cartoon movie, which then played on Cartoon Network, where it was undoubtedly seen by a few hundred thousand more children than have ever read a comic book.

    It's just hard for me to get behind someone who, when they had the keys to the car, drove into the same lake that they're complaining about everyone else driving into.

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  • descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Seriously what the fuck is a "director's cut" of a comic book.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    It's got scripts in it! And sketches! And director's commentary!

    Blame FF #500, it started the whole director's cut thing.

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  • descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    ... what

    They pad it out with more stuff which is not actual comics and re-release the same thing they sold me a few months ago?

    The script thing really annoys me and has been a "bonus" in issues I've bought before. I just read the script. It was written out, conveniently enough, in a bunch of word bubbles for me. I don't need it printed twice for an extra $2 per issue.

    Mostly, I've already bought things plumped with filler before, but tacking on the name "Director's Cut" somehow makes it even more irritating.

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  • AlgertmanAlgertman Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Balckest Night Director's Cut was different. It had a ton stuff in it.

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  • psycojesterpsycojester Registered User regular
    edited August 2010
    That and there are varying degrees of violence. I mean when used properly it conveys a powerful message, improperly you get a drug addict hitting people with a dead cat.

    You know thinking about it, it must have been a dead super-cat, a regular cat just doesn't have the structural integrity for that kind of use.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2010
    Yeah, Cooke and Kirkman have enough influence and clout to write all-ages books if they wanted.

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  • descdesc Goretexing to death Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Yeah, Cooke and Kirkman have enough influence and clout to write all-ages books if they wanted.

    But again, they are allowed to say "mainstream comics are too violent or whatever" while writing violent non-mainstream comics. Arguably they could even say that they wanted to write violent comics so they left the mainstream to do that, though I doubt it would be entirely true.

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Yeah, Cooke and Kirkman have enough influence and clout to write all-ages books if they wanted.

    They certainly could, but I'd imagine time is a limiting factor - would you rather have Cooke working on the Parker books for IDW, or Cooke working on an all-ages title?

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Cooke's Spirit book wasn't particularly violent.

    I also think that New Frontier's adult themes (not just the Wonder Woman scene, but John Henry's as well) were appropriate given the setting.

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  • CountBlackulaCountBlackula MarylandRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I hate huge story arcs that don't stick in the continuity. Makes me feel like I'm wasting my money- especially if the writing's bad.

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  • NODeNODe Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I hate huge story arcs that don't stick in the continuity. Makes me feel like I'm wasting my money- especially if the writing's bad.

    If the writings bad it's just a bad book. Why would you feel you're wasting your money on a well written arc that's out of continuity though? A good book is a good book, who cares if what SuperSteve does to Doctor Crimeface isn't referenced by the next writer?

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  • Silver_MageSilver_Mage Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I can understand the OCD urge for everything to be kept in continuity. Sometimes it feels annoying for some piece of a character's history to be altered to fit a writer's story. Like what you have just read now is meaningless. That is comics though. They are ever changing stories with rotating writers. You just need to realize this big event is just another chapter is "X" characters story, and probably in the future, someone else will come and wipe the slate clean.

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