I was able to play my copy of Splinter Cell for a bit, they'd be in a pretty awkward situation if they block the key now after purchase and activation. Should be interesting to see how this plays out.
I bought it and got Titan Quest along with it. If I want to play that, should I install the base game, the expansion or both?
Both. Run base TQ once (to set up some initial config files), then the expansion (and suffer the same unskippable intro movie again). Play with the expansion.
On the one hand, I'm all for 1) cheap games and 2) potential damage to Ubisoft.
On the other, you know this is going to get brought up in meetings (along with heavily-reduced sales of the DRM'd titles) as a reason why Ubisoft should no longer be part of the PC market.
Just saying that since we did technically all purchase copies of these games, that we're in a legal grey zone that allows us to run a crack removing the DRM
Uh, cracking the DRM just to play the game without it is still illegal -- as per the DCMA exception it's only legal to crack DRM on video games to test for security vulnerabilities.
"Yeah, we were having low sales on our PC games with that new DRM for a while, but I guess folks got over it or they were actually just cheap in the first place because check out this sales spike."
I didn't say you were wrong. I said I didn't understand it and it confused me. Also, it's mostly limited to shooters.
Controllers are preferable for a lot of stuff, such as racing games, platformers and Devil May Cry style action games.
I'm one of those weirdos, too. It's a combination of things for me - 1) I abandoned PC shooters before they started including the mouse and 2) I have a wireless keyboard that drops sync occasionally just long enough to screw me up. My 360 receiver doesn't have that problem. The only game I have right now that I pull out a USB keyboard for is Alien Swarm.
When did PC shooters NOT include a mouse? The earliest FPS I can recall playing was Catacomb 3D, and it definitely had mouse controls. Same also for Wolf3D, Doom, etc.
Could he mean mouselook? That wasn't standard until the mid '90s.
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Back when I played Doom and Doom 2, using the mouse was unheard of in my circle of friends. We couldn't wrap our heads around why someone would do such a thing.
One day my brother played against a guy who used the mouse. "Holy shit, how is he turning so fast?" "Ahhhhh!" etc.
I tried playing it with the mouse after that, but quickly abandoned it because I just couldn't figure it out. I didn't play many PC games after that until around 2002 when I got Jedi Outcast and had to figure out WASD and mouselook. That got a lot easier for me.
Uh, cracking the DRM just to play the game without it is still illegal -- as per the DCMA exception it's only legal to crack DRM on video games to test for security vulnerabilities.
It's illegal in the same way that ripping off your matress tag is illegal, the only way you'd ever get in trouble for it is by making and distributing a crack
On the one hand, I'm all for 1) cheap games and 2) potential damage to Ubisoft.
On the other, you know this is going to get brought up in meetings (along with heavily-reduced sales of the DRM'd titles) as a reason why Ubisoft should no longer be part of the PC market.
What would be funny is if this had been $10 instead of $1, they probably would have made money. I know Valve says that when they have short sales of games for obscenely low prices sometimes they exceed their launch day revenue. Left 4 Dead, for example, has exceeded it's launch week revenue in a single day when it was like $10.
It's illegal in the same way that ripping off your matress tag is illegal, the only way you'd ever get in trouble for it is by making and distributing a crack
Uh, cracking the DRM just to play the game without it is still illegal -- as per the DCMA exception it's only legal to crack DRM on video games to test for security vulnerabilities.
It's illegal in the same way that ripping off your matress tag is illegal, the only way you'd ever get in trouble for it is by making and distributing a crack
On the one hand, I'm all for 1) cheap games and 2) potential damage to Ubisoft.
On the other, you know this is going to get brought up in meetings (along with heavily-reduced sales of the DRM'd titles) as a reason why Ubisoft should no longer be part of the PC market.
What would be funny is if this had been $10 instead of $1, they probably would have made money. I know Valve says that when they have short sales of games for obscenely low prices sometimes they exceed their launch day revenue. Left 4 Dead, for example, has exceeded it's launch week revenue in a single day when it was like $10.
That only works if the game is discounted. If Left 4 Dead started out cheap instead of 50 bucks, that wouldn't have been the case. The point is that a bunch of people buy it because it's on sale, and then never touch it.
Uh, cracking the DRM just to play the game without it is still illegal -- as per the DCMA exception it's only legal to crack DRM on video games to test for security vulnerabilities.
It's illegal in the same way that ripping off your matress tag is illegal, the only way you'd ever get in trouble for it is by making and distributing a crack
On the one hand, I'm all for 1) cheap games and 2) potential damage to Ubisoft.
On the other, you know this is going to get brought up in meetings (along with heavily-reduced sales of the DRM'd titles) as a reason why Ubisoft should no longer be part of the PC market.
What would be funny is if this had been $10 instead of $1, they probably would have made money. I know Valve says that when they have short sales of games for obscenely low prices sometimes they exceed their launch day revenue. Left 4 Dead, for example, has exceeded it's launch week revenue in a single day when it was like $10.
That only works if the game is discounted. If Left 4 Dead started out cheap instead of 50 bucks, that wouldn't have been the case. The point is that a bunch of people buy it because it's on sale, and then never touch it.
See: Steam holiday sale.
I touched all the stuff i got on the holiday sale.
Anywho, cracking a game, even if you own it, is illegal. The DRM isn't just there to make sure you don't pirate the game, it also makes it impossible to copy your game files on an external hard drive and give it to all of your friends. You may not like the DRM, but the only solution is to never touch Ubisoft games. You aren't missing out on anything. At this point they've exploited all of their good series, thereby making them not good anymore (remember Rainbow Six?)
Anywho, cracking a game, even if you own it, is illegal. The DRM isn't just there to make sure you don't pirate the game, it also makes it impossible to copy your game files on an external hard drive and give it to all of your friends. You may not like the DRM, but the only solution is to never touch Ubisoft games. You aren't missing out on anything. At this point they've exploited all of their good series, thereby making them not good anymore (remember Rainbow Six?)
Anywho, cracking a game, even if you own it, is illegal. The DRM isn't just there to make sure you don't pirate the game, it also makes it impossible to copy your game files on an external hard drive and give it to all of your friends. You may not like the DRM, but the only solution is to never touch Ubisoft games. You aren't missing out on anything. At this point they've exploited all of their good series, thereby making them not good anymore (remember Rainbow Six?)
It shames me, but I kinda want to try Settlers 7.
Me, too.
But argh, that DRM.
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Anywho, cracking a game, even if you own it, is illegal. The DRM isn't just there to make sure you don't pirate the game, it also makes it impossible to copy your game files on an external hard drive and give it to all of your friends. You may not like the DRM, but the only solution is to never touch Ubisoft games. You aren't missing out on anything. At this point they've exploited all of their good series, thereby making them not good anymore (remember Rainbow Six?)
DRM also infringes upon your right to fair use.
If you want to make a backup of your game disks to a non-public personal home server for secure backup and the ease of future installs, then you should be able to, DRM or not. That is a non-infringing use of material that does not affect anyone but the owner.
While i have no problem with cd checks, personally, its because I only play games on my home pc. people should be able to use no-cd cracks to make their life easier if they play on laptops/netbooks/notebooks that they travel with or just does not have a built in disk drive. Again, a non-infringing use that affects no one but the end user.
both of which are big no no's because of DRM legality more specifically wording in the DMCA
We can segue this back to Steam though. RUSE is going to be a Steam-only game, so Ubi is ditching their DRM. If this goes well I think we'll be seeing other Ubisoft games follow suit (AC: Brotherhood needs to do this).
E: You can backup your game disks. I'm not that familiar with their DRM, but I'm fairly sure that all it prevents you from doing is playing the game on a computer without a Serial key. You can copy files as much as you want.
We can segue this back to Steam though. RUSE is going to be a Steam-only game, so Ubi is ditching their DRM. If this goes well I think we'll be seeing other Ubisoft games follow suit (AC: Brotherhood needs to do this).
Not Steam only, just that it's using Steamworks. And as far as I'm aware, that was always going to be the case (the beta itself was rolled out on Steam after all). The only thing that changed is that they removed the Ubisoft DRM.
Unless Steam's somehow become a rock solid fortress of DRM, I suspect this sudden change of heart didn't really have anything to do with Valve's system here. Ubisoft very bluntly stated at the time they were coming out with their nutty system that Steam wasn't really what they wanted, it's so easily cracked. So they had to naturally go with something far more secure that they had faith wouldn't be cracked.
And then it was cracked a month later (which to be fair, is pretty good time) and any future titles using it will be cracked on day one and there's no freaking point in it anymore now anyway and...
As for other games, we'll see. I sincerely doubt they're going to be removing their DRM from previous titles, but they also said that they were never going to back down on this system in the first place. Future titles, they might be on the verge of re-thinking this whole thing, but Ubisoft have always had a crazy history with DRM. Back when Starforce was around they were the biggest proponents, and oh boy did that ever cause me grief running some of their titles. :?
I think Team Fortress 2 should be the posterboy on how to not get a game pirated. Sure, it may be possible but manually getting the updates roughly every week would be a pain to keep up on.
I think Team Fortress 2 should be the posterboy on how to not get a game pirated. Sure, it may be possible but manually getting the updates roughly every week would be a pain to keep up on.
Speaking as someone who's VAC banned, have fun on playing on the two servers that are up at any given time
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Edit: I saw RUSE mentioned. That's a steamworks game so if that's available everyone should be snapping it up.
The deal died a few hours ago, as far as I know.
Both. Run base TQ once (to set up some initial config files), then the expansion (and suffer the same unskippable intro movie again). Play with the expansion.
On the other, you know this is going to get brought up in meetings (along with heavily-reduced sales of the DRM'd titles) as a reason why Ubisoft should no longer be part of the PC market.
Meh. I guess I don't really need that game anyway.
When did PC shooters NOT include a mouse? The earliest FPS I can recall playing was Catacomb 3D, and it definitely had mouse controls. Same also for Wolf3D, Doom, etc.
One day my brother played against a guy who used the mouse. "Holy shit, how is he turning so fast?" "Ahhhhh!" etc.
I tried playing it with the mouse after that, but quickly abandoned it because I just couldn't figure it out. I didn't play many PC games after that until around 2002 when I got Jedi Outcast and had to figure out WASD and mouselook. That got a lot easier for me.
It's illegal in the same way that ripping off your matress tag is illegal, the only way you'd ever get in trouble for it is by making and distributing a crack
What would be funny is if this had been $10 instead of $1, they probably would have made money. I know Valve says that when they have short sales of games for obscenely low prices sometimes they exceed their launch day revenue. Left 4 Dead, for example, has exceeded it's launch week revenue in a single day when it was like $10.
Ripping off mattress tags is illegal?
EDIT: Also pillows often.
You could be sleeping on a pile of illegal every night and not even know!
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But I was just testing them for security vulnerabilities!
Okay this was pretty nice
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Pretty much this. They have safety warnings so it's illegal for the store to rip them off but legal for the buyer to.
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That only works if the game is discounted. If Left 4 Dead started out cheap instead of 50 bucks, that wouldn't have been the case. The point is that a bunch of people buy it because it's on sale, and then never touch it.
See: Steam holiday sale.
I touched all the stuff i got on the holiday sale.
i touched it so hard.
Anywho, cracking a game, even if you own it, is illegal. The DRM isn't just there to make sure you don't pirate the game, it also makes it impossible to copy your game files on an external hard drive and give it to all of your friends. You may not like the DRM, but the only solution is to never touch Ubisoft games. You aren't missing out on anything. At this point they've exploited all of their good series, thereby making them not good anymore (remember Rainbow Six?)
It shames me, but I kinda want to try Settlers 7.
Me, too.
But argh, that DRM.
DRM also infringes upon your right to fair use.
If you want to make a backup of your game disks to a non-public personal home server for secure backup and the ease of future installs, then you should be able to, DRM or not. That is a non-infringing use of material that does not affect anyone but the owner.
While i have no problem with cd checks, personally, its because I only play games on my home pc. people should be able to use no-cd cracks to make their life easier if they play on laptops/netbooks/notebooks that they travel with or just does not have a built in disk drive. Again, a non-infringing use that affects no one but the end user.
both of which are big no no's because of DRM legality more specifically wording in the DMCA
E: You can backup your game disks. I'm not that familiar with their DRM, but I'm fairly sure that all it prevents you from doing is playing the game on a computer without a Serial key. You can copy files as much as you want.
Not Steam only, just that it's using Steamworks. And as far as I'm aware, that was always going to be the case (the beta itself was rolled out on Steam after all). The only thing that changed is that they removed the Ubisoft DRM.
Unless Steam's somehow become a rock solid fortress of DRM, I suspect this sudden change of heart didn't really have anything to do with Valve's system here. Ubisoft very bluntly stated at the time they were coming out with their nutty system that Steam wasn't really what they wanted, it's so easily cracked. So they had to naturally go with something far more secure that they had faith wouldn't be cracked.
And then it was cracked a month later (which to be fair, is pretty good time) and any future titles using it will be cracked on day one and there's no freaking point in it anymore now anyway and...
As for other games, we'll see. I sincerely doubt they're going to be removing their DRM from previous titles, but they also said that they were never going to back down on this system in the first place. Future titles, they might be on the verge of re-thinking this whole thing, but Ubisoft have always had a crazy history with DRM. Back when Starforce was around they were the biggest proponents, and oh boy did that ever cause me grief running some of their titles. :?
Really? I thought it was just that one announcement from the devs behind it that RUSE wouldn't be using Ubisoft's DRM?
Would be nice news if true.
Speaking as someone who's VAC banned, have fun on playing on the two servers that are up at any given time
Damn you're right. I just searched for the article. I got my own hopes up and dashed them.
I meant mouselook. But I did play Doom and Wolf3d keyboard only. Ater those I didn't play a PC FPS again until TF2.