i see alot of opposition to this idea but i ask isnt the same privacy principle that protects ones self protecting the offenders of such principle?
Dont they embrace the idea of a digital identity in order to create accountability and responsability in korea ?
In alot of examples i see people use to refute realIds, the person presumes that the offender is unknown when according to what i understand of the system he also has to give his realID in order to participate in the same community as you ( but that would force blizzard to make their forums private and not public like they are now ).
I think someone in this very thread linked that it's recently become law in Korea that if you have an online community with over 100k participants, you must post with your real name. Which might have spurred this whole debacle in the first place.
I always thought I would stop playing WoW when either a) a much better mmo came out that my WoW friends migrated to or b) said WoW friends, who I have been playing with since BC launch, stopped playing.
I never thought privacy concerns/social networking ... assimilation, would do it.
I bet Bioware is kicking themselves that SWTOR isn't going live anytime soon.
Bioware: "We're like them, but we don't force you to use your real name!" Marketing gold.
Edit: If it were me, I'd be putting all my money in to finishing it before the release of cataclysm. If you can release it before cataclysm comes out, you'd probably get a good chunk of subscribers. It won't be 10mill, but it'll probably be noticeable.
yeah, WoW is on life support atm, at least this is the feeling I get from a few friends of mine who are still playing
If there was a time to launch a new mmo, it's now
If you're going to release it, release it before Cata or ~a month before cata's first major content patch
I bet Bioware is kicking themselves that SWTOR isn't going live anytime soon.
Bioware: "We're like them, but we don't force you to use your real name!" Marketing gold.
Edit: If it were me, I'd be putting all my money in to finishing it before the release of cataclysm. If you can release it before cataclysm comes out, you'd probably get a good chunk of subscribers. It won't be 10mill, but it'll probably be noticeable.
yeah, WoW is on life support atm, at least this is the feeling I get from a few friends of mine who are still playing
If there was a time to launch a new mmo, it's now
No, this would repeat WAR where lots of people joined from WoW boredom and lots of servers were created because there were so many people. Then LK came out and and everyone left to "try it out". The servers became barren wastelands, which made the game feel stale quickly, those that remained got bored and then those who came back got bored and went back to LK or elsewhere.
Granted a part of that had to do with the PvP focus which needed a decent population density, and the weak PvE game that made it dull when no PvP could be found.
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He doesn't have to post to see your post. Thus, giving up nothing of himself.
True, but if they make the forums private, he still has to log in to read it. So in essence blizzard controls who reads what and when.
Alot of these cases people are using, as steeling loot or insulting you ingame or griefing you ingame would not happen in the first place. I can understand however the problems to real world transition.
Personaly i think they should have started with something like steam where you can use any alias but other players are able to see your alias history.
That still doesnt prevent people from having multiple accounts or the problematic facebook social network integration.
i see alot of opposition to this idea but i ask isnt the same privacy principle that protects ones self protecting the offenders of such principle?
Dont they embrace the idea of a digital identity in order to create accountability and responsability in korea ?
In alot of examples i see people use to refute realIds, the person presumes that the offender is unknown when according to what i understand of the system he also has to give his realID in order to participate in the same community as you ( but that would force blizzard to make their forums private and not public like they are now ).
I think someone in this very thread linked that it's recently become law in Korea that if you have an online community with over 100k participants, you must post with your real name. Which might have spurred this whole debacle in the first place.
I always thought I would stop playing WoW when either a) a much better mmo came out that my WoW friends migrated to or b) said WoW friends, who I have been playing with since BC launch, stopped playing.
I never thought privacy concerns/social networking ... assimilation, would do it.
But from what i understand they have a supporting legislation and infrastructe in korea, as official digital identitys.
It's the cycle of things. MMOs can't last forever, 6+ years is a good run.
As of Q1 2010, WoW still had 11.5 million subscribers. I'd hardly call it on its deathbed, even if the numbers have dropped off more than slightly since then. I'd bet Cataclysm gives that number a healthy boost, too.
While it'd be nice to see actual ramifications of this ridiculous change, I'd be surprised if the subscriber base registers more than a blip in the long run.
He doesn't have to post to see your post. Thus, giving up nothing of himself.
True, but if they make the forums private, he still has to log in to read it. So in essence blizzard controls who reads what and when.
Alot of these cases people are using, as steeling loot or insulting you ingame or griefing you ingame would not happen in the first place. I can understand however the problems to real world transition.
Personaly i think they should have started with something like steam where you can use any alias but other players are able to see your alias history.
That still doesnt prevent people from having multiple accounts or the problematic facebook social network integration.
Even if they lock the forums so you have to log in to read, how is anybody supposed to tell which person out of the thousands of people logging in to read is the perv who showed up at someones house?
He doesn't have to post to see your post. Thus, giving up nothing of himself.
True, but if they make the forums private, he still has to log in to read it. So in essence blizzard controls who reads what and when.
Alot of these cases people are using, as steeling loot or insulting you ingame or griefing you ingame would not happen in the first place. I can understand however the problems to real world transition.
Personaly i think they should have started with something like steam where you can use any alias but other players are able to see your alias history.
That still doesnt prevent people from having multiple accounts or the problematic facebook social network integration.
Err, blizzard controls who sees it but how does that help? Now someone can very easily anonymously troll you well clear of blizzard's ability to moderate by tracking you down on facebook
He doesn't have to post to see your post. Thus, giving up nothing of himself.
True, but if they make the forums private, he still has to log in to read it. So in essence blizzard controls who reads what and when.
Alot of these cases people are using, as steeling loot or insulting you ingame or griefing you ingame would not happen in the first place. I can understand however the problems to real world transition.
Personaly i think they should have started with something like steam where you can use any alias but other players are able to see your alias history.
That still doesnt prevent people from having multiple accounts or the problematic facebook social network integration.
Speaking as an administrator, locking down access doesn't really help you if 10000 people accessed that data. Seeking down who uses it wrong would be futile.
But yes, a steam system would have been better. There is no reason having an alias would prevent you from linking up to facebook.
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He doesn't have to post to see your post. Thus, giving up nothing of himself.
True, but if they make the forums private, he still has to log in to read it. So in essence blizzard controls who reads what and when.
Alot of these cases people are using, as steeling loot or insulting you ingame or griefing you ingame would not happen in the first place. I can understand however the problems to real world transition.
Personaly i think they should have started with something like steam where you can use any alias but other players are able to see your alias history.
That still doesnt prevent people from having multiple accounts or the problematic facebook social network integration.
Even if they lock the forums so you have to log in to read, how is anybody supposed to tell which person out of the thousands of people logging in to read is the perv who showed up at someones house?
If someone shows up at your door, you can ( you as in the autorities and not you personally ) trace them back to their wow account, they have everyones personal information after all.
EDIT: i understand your point, it wouldnt be easy to do.
Still i think a steam system would have been better
It's the cycle of things. MMOs can't last forever, 6+ years is a good run.
As of Q1 2010, WoW still had 11.5 million subscribers. I'd hardly call it on its deathbed, even if the numbers have dropped off more than slightly since then. I'd bet Cataclysm gives that number a healthy boost, too.
While it'd be nice to see actual ramifications of this ridiculous change, I'd be surprised if the subscriber base registers more than a blip in the long run.
See I'm betting this change will resonate negatively with the casuals and parents who play wow, the very group that this was probably targeted at
He doesn't have to post to see your post. Thus, giving up nothing of himself.
True, but if they make the forums private, he still has to log in to read it. So in essence blizzard controls who reads what and when.
Alot of these cases people are using, as steeling loot or insulting you ingame or griefing you ingame would not happen in the first place. I can understand however the problems to real world transition.
Personaly i think they should have started with something like steam where you can use any alias but other players are able to see your alias history.
That still doesnt prevent people from having multiple accounts or the problematic facebook social network integration.
Even if they lock the forums so you have to log in to read, how is anybody supposed to tell which person out of the thousands of people logging in to read is the perv who showed up at someones house?
If someone shows up at your door, you can ( you as in the autorities and not you personally ) trace them back to their wow account, they have everyones personal information after all.
Okay what if they just order pizza to your house or mail you a carton of rotten eggs? The police are unlikely to investigate that
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He doesn't have to post to see your post. Thus, giving up nothing of himself.
True, but if they make the forums private, he still has to log in to read it. So in essence blizzard controls who reads what and when.
Alot of these cases people are using, as steeling loot or insulting you ingame or griefing you ingame would not happen in the first place. I can understand however the problems to real world transition.
Personaly i think they should have started with something like steam where you can use any alias but other players are able to see your alias history.
That still doesnt prevent people from having multiple accounts or the problematic facebook social network integration.
Even if they lock the forums so you have to log in to read, how is anybody supposed to tell which person out of the thousands of people logging in to read is the perv who showed up at someones house?
If someone shows up at your door, you can ( you as in the autorities and not you personally ) trace them back to their wow account, they have everyones personal information after all.
This presumes that the person identifies himself to you, at which point you don't have to trace him back to anything because you already know his name.
He doesn't have to post to see your post. Thus, giving up nothing of himself.
True, but if they make the forums private, he still has to log in to read it. So in essence blizzard controls who reads what and when.
Alot of these cases people are using, as steeling loot or insulting you ingame or griefing you ingame would not happen in the first place. I can understand however the problems to real world transition.
Personaly i think they should have started with something like steam where you can use any alias but other players are able to see your alias history.
That still doesnt prevent people from having multiple accounts or the problematic facebook social network integration.
Even if they lock the forums so you have to log in to read, how is anybody supposed to tell which person out of the thousands of people logging in to read is the perv who showed up at someones house?
If someone shows up at your door, you can ( you as in the autorities and not you personally ) trace them back to their wow account, they have everyones personal information after all.
How???
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If someone shows up at your door, you can ( you as in the autorities and not you personally ) trace them back to their wow account, they have everyones personal information after all.
This presumes that the person identifies himself to you, at which point you don't have to trace him back to anything because you already know his name.
Or sticks around long enough for the authorities to arrest him.
Maybe he shows up at 2:00am.
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After reading a few more articles, some of the forum stories (particularly the guy who posted his name on the forums and got a call at work), and Googling myself, I'm now firmly in the camp of "this is a terrible idea."
It's the cycle of things. MMOs can't last forever, 6+ years is a good run.
As of Q1 2010, WoW still had 11.5 million subscribers. I'd hardly call it on its deathbed, even if the numbers have dropped off more than slightly since then. I'd bet Cataclysm gives that number a healthy boost, too.
While it'd be nice to see actual ramifications of this ridiculous change, I'd be surprised if the subscriber base registers more than a blip in the long run.
See I'm betting this change will resonate negatively with the casuals and parents who play wow, the very group that this was probably targeted at
Which would assume that people become so outraged they quit, whereas I'd be willing to bet on most people continuing to play, not posting on the forums, and not mentioning it again until the next egregious invasion of privacy.
He doesn't have to post to see your post. Thus, giving up nothing of himself.
True, but if they make the forums private, he still has to log in to read it. So in essence blizzard controls who reads what and when.
Alot of these cases people are using, as steeling loot or insulting you ingame or griefing you ingame would not happen in the first place. I can understand however the problems to real world transition.
Personaly i think they should have started with something like steam where you can use any alias but other players are able to see your alias history.
That still doesnt prevent people from having multiple accounts or the problematic facebook social network integration.
i see alot of opposition to this idea but i ask isnt the same privacy principle that protects ones self protecting the offenders of such principle?
Dont they embrace the idea of a digital identity in order to create accountability and responsability in korea ?
In alot of examples i see people use to refute realIds, the person presumes that the offender is unknown when according to what i understand of the system he also has to give his realID in order to participate in the same community as you ( but that would force blizzard to make their forums private and not public like they are now ).
I think someone in this very thread linked that it's recently become law in Korea that if you have an online community with over 100k participants, you must post with your real name. Which might have spurred this whole debacle in the first place.
I always thought I would stop playing WoW when either a) a much better mmo came out that my WoW friends migrated to or b) said WoW friends, who I have been playing with since BC launch, stopped playing.
I never thought privacy concerns/social networking ... assimilation, would do it.
But from what i understand they have a supporting legislation and infrastructe in korea, as official digital identitys.
I just went back and read over the thread, and I don't see anything saying the forums are going to require you to log in to read them. Where did you get this from?
Yea that's the most baffling part, this thing has been done. Steam, xbox live, and PSN (iirc) can do this shit without showing your real name to everyone, it's like they've decided that round wheels are fine but square wheels would be fucking amazing
Like I said, I have never once caught myself or any of my friends go, "well shit I just wish I could link all my shit together through facebook, that'd make random games so much easier to put together."
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I guess blizzard thinks most of us don't take advantage of it because it's not fistfucked up our asses.
It's fistfucked up my ass on every goddamn website I go to these days, it's really annoying when I'm trying to find videos of showering asians and I have to login but not as facebook unless I want my grandmother to call me the next day and ask me WTF
Im not sure if they would make this decision without some data to back it up.
But taking in account the weight of activision and their dominant market position, that could very well happen.
I'm sure they wouldn't destroy the second most profitable part of their company in nuclear fire just because the manager of said department doesn't like the idea of nickle and diming their customers to death in a genre where subscription models haven't ever worked
Like I said, I have never once caught myself or any of my friends go, "well shit I just wish I could link all my shit together through facebook, that'd make random games so much easier to put together."
I have one friend who did, he linked the game he was playing to his Facebook so every time he got a trophy it'd post on his wall. He was surprised to find out all his friends blocked those automated posts.
I guess blizzard thinks most of us don't take advantage of it because it's not fistfucked up our asses.
It's fistfucked up my ass on every goddamn website I go to these days, it's really annoying when I'm trying to find videos of showering asians and I have to login but not as facebook unless I want my grandmother to call me the next day and ask me WTF
Well, maybe all your wow friends are interested in those showering Asians too. Did you ever consider their wants and needs? God you asshole. I'm going to fucking murder you if I ever find out where you live.
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I guess blizzard thinks most of us don't take advantage of it because it's not fistfucked up our asses.
It's fistfucked up my ass on every goddamn website I go to these days, it's really annoying when I'm trying to find videos of showering asians and I have to login but not as facebook unless I want my grandmother to call me the next day and ask me WTF
Well, maybe all your wow friends are interested in those showering Asians too. Did you ever consider their wants and needs? God you asshole. I'm going to fucking murder you if I ever find out where you live.
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I just read this on another forum
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I had no idea why I hadn't considered this, but it's likely to be the most annoying part to the average forumer
Like I said, I have never once caught myself or any of my friends go, "well shit I just wish I could link all my shit together through facebook, that'd make random games so much easier to put together."
I have one friend who did, he linked the game he was playing to his Facebook so every time he got a trophy it'd post on his wall. He was surprised to find out all his friends blocked those automated posts.
Now if only I could block it when someone spends all day at work liking shit on facebook.
I know you like house, but I don't really care that you like the episode where the guys toe falls off and he sees jesus. I really don't need to see all that shit. Use it like seasoning on soup. Not like how Hitler ousted the Jews.
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If Blizzard tries to implement Real ID in all countries, this is only the first round. You better believe Germany will have something to say about this.
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After reading a few more articles, some of the forum stories (particularly the guy who posted his name on the forums and got a call at work), and Googling myself, I'm now firmly in the camp of "this is a terrible idea."
Sounds like a lesson in how to be a little more security conscious with your information. I can google myself and find absolutely nothing that links me back to any personal information at all.
After reading a few more articles, some of the forum stories (particularly the guy who posted his name on the forums and got a call at work), and Googling myself, I'm now firmly in the camp of "this is a terrible idea."
Sounds like a lesson in how to be a little more security conscious with your information. I can google myself and find absolutely nothing that links me back to any personal information at all.
Good for you! That's not a point in favor of this system. In fact it has no points in its favor over a nickname system
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GoodKingJayIIIThey wanna get mygold on the ceilingRegistered Userregular
After reading a few more articles, some of the forum stories (particularly the guy who posted his name on the forums and got a call at work), and Googling myself, I'm now firmly in the camp of "this is a terrible idea."
Sounds like a lesson in how to be a little more security conscious with your information. I can google myself and find absolutely nothing that links me back to any personal information at all.
Sort of. A lot of my social networking stuff is locked down pretty tight, actually. I will be a lawyer in two years, and if you're going into the client service industry, it doesn't pay to make yourself look like a jackass in your social life. I was happy not much came up in the 10 minutes of searching I did. But that doesn't mean nothing came up.
An old address, an old phone number, and Google profile were the worst things that popped up. And there are more people with my first name and last name than I anticipated, so lots of various entries for them. But even with that little bit of info, I'm sure it'd be easy for someone to extrapolate. Got a fiancee, plan to start a family. Don't need to bring those kinds of problems to my home. So I'll be "opting out" of RealID (read: using the convoluted parental controls to hide the ID) and will not post on Blizzard forums.
My subscription is not up until end of September. We'll see where things are at that point, but frankly I don't expect much. Until then, I'm just not going to paint a target on my head. But man, this is just no good.
Man. I just realized something. What are the chances Blizzard will link RealIDs to something like the Armory in the near future? From where I'm standing, that seems pretty plausible.
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I think someone in this very thread linked that it's recently become law in Korea that if you have an online community with over 100k participants, you must post with your real name. Which might have spurred this whole debacle in the first place.
I always thought I would stop playing WoW when either a) a much better mmo came out that my WoW friends migrated to or b) said WoW friends, who I have been playing with since BC launch, stopped playing.
I never thought privacy concerns/social networking ... assimilation, would do it.
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If you're going to release it, release it before Cata or ~a month before cata's first major content patch
No, this would repeat WAR where lots of people joined from WoW boredom and lots of servers were created because there were so many people. Then LK came out and and everyone left to "try it out". The servers became barren wastelands, which made the game feel stale quickly, those that remained got bored and then those who came back got bored and went back to LK or elsewhere.
Granted a part of that had to do with the PvP focus which needed a decent population density, and the weak PvE game that made it dull when no PvP could be found.
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True, but if they make the forums private, he still has to log in to read it. So in essence blizzard controls who reads what and when.
Alot of these cases people are using, as steeling loot or insulting you ingame or griefing you ingame would not happen in the first place. I can understand however the problems to real world transition.
Personaly i think they should have started with something like steam where you can use any alias but other players are able to see your alias history.
That still doesnt prevent people from having multiple accounts or the problematic facebook social network integration.
But from what i understand they have a supporting legislation and infrastructe in korea, as official digital identitys.
As of Q1 2010, WoW still had 11.5 million subscribers. I'd hardly call it on its deathbed, even if the numbers have dropped off more than slightly since then. I'd bet Cataclysm gives that number a healthy boost, too.
While it'd be nice to see actual ramifications of this ridiculous change, I'd be surprised if the subscriber base registers more than a blip in the long run.
Even if they lock the forums so you have to log in to read, how is anybody supposed to tell which person out of the thousands of people logging in to read is the perv who showed up at someones house?
Err, blizzard controls who sees it but how does that help? Now someone can very easily anonymously troll you well clear of blizzard's ability to moderate by tracking you down on facebook
expecting shitstorm in a few days
Speaking as an administrator, locking down access doesn't really help you if 10000 people accessed that data. Seeking down who uses it wrong would be futile.
But yes, a steam system would have been better. There is no reason having an alias would prevent you from linking up to facebook.
If someone shows up at your door, you can ( you as in the autorities and not you personally ) trace them back to their wow account, they have everyones personal information after all.
EDIT: i understand your point, it wouldnt be easy to do.
Still i think a steam system would have been better
See I'm betting this change will resonate negatively with the casuals and parents who play wow, the very group that this was probably targeted at
Okay what if they just order pizza to your house or mail you a carton of rotten eggs? The police are unlikely to investigate that
This presumes that the person identifies himself to you, at which point you don't have to trace him back to anything because you already know his name.
How???
Or sticks around long enough for the authorities to arrest him.
Maybe he shows up at 2:00am.
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Which would assume that people become so outraged they quit, whereas I'd be willing to bet on most people continuing to play, not posting on the forums, and not mentioning it again until the next egregious invasion of privacy.
I just went back and read over the thread, and I don't see anything saying the forums are going to require you to log in to read them. Where did you get this from?
Im not trying to argue in favor of readid, i understand the concerns.
But i also see some benefits to this type of system.
Still i personaly belive a steam like system would be better inicialy.
So you... aren't arguing in favor of RealID?
Since you admit that a steam like system has all of the benefits with none of the downsides
Why? Because I'm not fucking stupid.
The problem with the steam system is that it doesnt allow the social networking integrationg they want to explore economicaly
In what way? This forum you see "override367", I can go into my profile under UserCP and put in my facebook info for the world to see if i wanted to
this shit isn't hard
But taking in account the weight of activision and their dominant market position, that could very well happen.
It's fistfucked up my ass on every goddamn website I go to these days, it's really annoying when I'm trying to find videos of showering asians and I have to login but not as facebook unless I want my grandmother to call me the next day and ask me WTF
I'm sure they wouldn't destroy the second most profitable part of their company in nuclear fire just because the manager of said department doesn't like the idea of nickle and diming their customers to death in a genre where subscription models haven't ever worked
oh wait
I have one friend who did, he linked the game he was playing to his Facebook so every time he got a trophy it'd post on his wall. He was surprised to find out all his friends blocked those automated posts.
Well, maybe all your wow friends are interested in those showering Asians too. Did you ever consider their wants and needs? God you asshole. I'm going to fucking murder you if I ever find out where you live.
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I just read this on another forum
I had no idea why I hadn't considered this, but it's likely to be the most annoying part to the average forumer
Now if only I could block it when someone spends all day at work liking shit on facebook.
I know you like house, but I don't really care that you like the episode where the guys toe falls off and he sees jesus. I really don't need to see all that shit. Use it like seasoning on soup. Not like how Hitler ousted the Jews.
Sounds like a lesson in how to be a little more security conscious with your information. I can google myself and find absolutely nothing that links me back to any personal information at all.
Good for you! That's not a point in favor of this system. In fact it has no points in its favor over a nickname system
Sort of. A lot of my social networking stuff is locked down pretty tight, actually. I will be a lawyer in two years, and if you're going into the client service industry, it doesn't pay to make yourself look like a jackass in your social life. I was happy not much came up in the 10 minutes of searching I did. But that doesn't mean nothing came up.
An old address, an old phone number, and Google profile were the worst things that popped up. And there are more people with my first name and last name than I anticipated, so lots of various entries for them. But even with that little bit of info, I'm sure it'd be easy for someone to extrapolate. Got a fiancee, plan to start a family. Don't need to bring those kinds of problems to my home. So I'll be "opting out" of RealID (read: using the convoluted parental controls to hide the ID) and will not post on Blizzard forums.
My subscription is not up until end of September. We'll see where things are at that point, but frankly I don't expect much. Until then, I'm just not going to paint a target on my head. But man, this is just no good.
Man. I just realized something. What are the chances Blizzard will link RealIDs to something like the Armory in the near future? From where I'm standing, that seems pretty plausible.
PSN: Threeve703