Isn't the Facebook integration stuff actually optional though?
Yes but what features do you lose because you don't use it?
I'm just pissing in the wind at this point and I'll admit it.
Maybe if you opt-in with the facebook integration you get a cool free pet, a free mount, the ability to group with your real-id friends, raid with them, etc.
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well now we have nothing to bitch about, i guess i'll get back to being bored at work
Now if they would just remove the real name stuff from the friend system. If it could all just be done off a permanent alias, I would be as happy as could be.
Or you could just turn it off and let those of us that want to use it (Like me) enjoy it.
Jesus christ would you stop being a silly goose? I have turned it off, and nothing I say can keep you from using/enjoying it (unless you are taking the complaint to a personal level, which returns you to silly goose territory). All I said is that I would love to use it as well, but only would if they make that change.
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Aww. Kind of disappointed they're not actually going through with it.
As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.
Not to rain on the victory parade, but this is not going away. The persons responsible for Real ID have only backed off on the most controversial aspect, in the face of overwhelming opposition at a critical date. This was a huge PR diverson from the upcoming Starcraft II launch. Depending on future customer reaction, they could very well try to re-implement at a later date.
You still cannot opt out of friends of friends or hide your real name in-game, and the coming integration with Facebook should at the very least make one cautious.
The main thing we can be happy about is their executives are not entirely tone deaf to the community.
Yes you can! TURN IT OFF!
There's a switch! FLIP THE SWITCH.
Yes, I'm aware of that. I've already turned Real ID entirely off, and it's not coming back on until they give me one of those features. Talking about if you want to use the system at all.
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Using a real name as an identifier is still a hazardous privacy/security concern, this is just the difference between a slow balloon leak and the Hindenburg.
And if, if, there is a way to get someone's real name in-game via a script, it's right back to Hindenburg levels. Or worse, really, since there'd be no opt-out and people wouldn't even know someone was looking.
I was about to say that the addon issue could b easily fixed, but then I though...
Add-ons can parse the chat log, right? Couldn't that be used to grab RealID of not just you but anyone you talk to / logs on / what not? If so, huge potential issue not easily resolved.
As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.
Not to rain on the victory parade, but this is not going away. The persons responsible for Real ID have only backed off on the most controversial aspect, in the face of overwhelming opposition at a critical date. This was a huge PR diverson from the upcoming Starcraft II launch. Depending on future customer reaction, they could very well try to re-implement at a later date.
You still cannot opt out of friends of friends or hide your real name in-game, and the coming integration with Facebook should at the very least make one cautious.
The main thing we can be happy about is their executives are not entirely tone deaf to the community.
Yes you can! TURN IT OFF!
There's a switch! FLIP THE SWITCH.
IF you want to use RealID though in the first place you not only need to trust your friends but also their friends with your real name.
Yes, that's the very obvious, upfront and completely clear effects of using it.
If you don't like it, don't use it. No one is forcing you to.
Aww. Kind of disappointed they're not actually going through with it.
Not gonna be able to easily stalk forum chicks now or something?
Users will still be easily accountable to Blizzard under the new system, just not accountable to Blizzard and any random asshole who decides to search through the forums.
well now we have nothing to bitch about, i guess i'll get back to being bored at work
Now if they would just remove the real name stuff from the friend system. If it could all just be done off a permanent alias, I would be as happy as could be.
Or you could just turn it off and let those of us that want to use it (Like me) enjoy it.
Jesus christ would you stop being a silly goose? I have turned it off, and nothing I say can keep you from using/enjoying it (unless you are taking the complaint to a personal level, which returns you to silly goose territory). All I said is that I would love to use it as well, but only would if they make that change.
Hey, you said "if they would just remove the real name stuff." Not trying to offend! I lose track of poster names sometimes.
A lot of people want the whole system purged, which seems like overkill to me. I really like the idea of the system.
None of my internet friends are friends with anyone particularly sketchy. I only RealID people I 100% trust in this regard. I figured everyone would do this. Did people think RealIDing their entire guild would be a good idea?
Aww. Kind of disappointed they're not actually going through with it.
Not gonna be able to easily stalk forum chicks now or something?
Users will still be easily accountable to Blizzard under the new system, just not accountable to Blizzard and any random asshole who decides to search through the forums.
As someone who doesn't play WoW, to be honest I was kind of hoping to see how bad the train wreck would get.
well now we have nothing to bitch about, i guess i'll get back to being bored at work
Now if they would just remove the real name stuff from the friend system. If it could all just be done off a permanent alias, I would be as happy as could be.
Or you could just turn it off and let those of us that want to use it (Like me) enjoy it.
Jesus christ would you stop being a silly goose? I have turned it off, and nothing I say can keep you from using/enjoying it (unless you are taking the complaint to a personal level, which returns you to silly goose territory). All I said is that I would love to use it as well, but only would if they make that change.
Hey, you said "if they would just remove the real name stuff." Not trying to offend! I lose track of poster names sometimes.
A lot of people want the whole system purged, which seems like overkill to me. I really like the idea of the system.
None of my internet friends are friends with anyone particularly sketchy. I only RealID people I 100% trust in this regard. I figured everyone would do this. Did people think RealIDing their entire guild would be a good idea?
No one has wanted the whole system purged.
A lot of people have wanted Real Names purged off the system. Everyone else is as happy as a motherfucking goose about the system in general except for that pretty large, glaring, burn-your-cornea-out detail.
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not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
well now we have nothing to bitch about, i guess we'll get back to arguing amongst ourselvesD:
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well now we have nothing to bitch about, i guess i'll get back to being bored at work
Now if they would just remove the real name stuff from the friend system. If it could all just be done off a permanent alias, I would be as happy as could be.
Or you could just turn it off and let those of us that want to use it (Like me) enjoy it.
Jesus christ would you stop being a silly goose? I have turned it off, and nothing I say can keep you from using/enjoying it (unless you are taking the complaint to a personal level, which returns you to silly goose territory). All I said is that I would love to use it as well, but only would if they make that change.
Hey, you said "if they would just remove the real name stuff." Not trying to offend! I lose track of poster names sometimes.
A lot of people want the whole system purged, which seems like overkill to me. I really like the idea of the system.
None of my internet friends are friends with anyone particularly sketchy. I only RealID people I 100% trust in this regard. I figured everyone would do this. Did people think RealIDing their entire guild would be a good idea?
I have friends that play that I trust 100%. The main guys I play with I have been friends with in real life for 15+ years, when one of them got married I was one of the groomsmen. But they are friends with people that they trust but that I do not know. While I am sure they are fine people I would prefer that they did not have access to my real name until such a time as I have decided they are cool people.
If they allowed me to control that I would love to use the system. I love the idea that I could be playing Diablo 3 and one of my friends could message me from StarCraft 2 asking me to log in and play a game. That would be cool as shit. But they'll have to either remove Friend-of-Friend or allow aliases before I'm ready to use it.
Aww. Kind of disappointed they're not actually going through with it.
Not gonna be able to easily stalk forum chicks now or something?
Users will still be easily accountable to Blizzard under the new system, just not accountable to Blizzard and any random asshole who decides to search through the forums.
As someone who doesn't play WoW, to be honest I was kind of hoping to see how bad the train wreck would get.
I would have been curious too, if not for my fear of Real Name Accountability then becoming some kind of new internet standard.
Aww. Kind of disappointed they're not actually going through with it.
Not gonna be able to easily stalk forum chicks now or something?
Users will still be easily accountable to Blizzard under the new system, just not accountable to Blizzard and any random asshole who decides to search through the forums.
As someone who doesn't play WoW, to be honest I was kind of hoping to see how bad the train wreck would get.
Yeah, it would have been hilarious to watch right up until someone got hurt. Then I would feel bad
Aww. Kind of disappointed they're not actually going through with it.
Not gonna be able to easily stalk forum chicks now or something?
Users will still be easily accountable to Blizzard under the new system, just not accountable to Blizzard and any random asshole who decides to search through the forums.
As someone who doesn't play WoW, to be honest I was kind of hoping to see how bad the train wreck would get.
I would have been curious too, if not for my fear of Real Name Accountability then becoming some kind of new internet standard.
Actually I figured once stories of people actually getting stalked started hitting the newspapers and CNN, it'd probably kill off the concept for good. Seems like the concept as an actual law, for all posts/etc anywhere, does get floated every once in a while and I'd like for that to stop.
I guess this is better for the people not getting stalked now though
Oh yeah, if the system removes friend-of-friend stuff (Is that even intentional?) and keeps addons from getting it (Unless someone can show me an actual badass worth it addon that would use the data...doubt it exists) then it'd be perfect.
I don't have a problem with real names if they're associated only with the people I want them to be associated with. I'd also love it if I could be SniperGuy across all my games, rather than my real name. But given how I use the system how it is right now is workable for me personally. I think I have...four RealID friends. But I also work in Tech Support and the only person not on that list is a Ventrilo buddy that I've known for years. I trust their judgement too. Though I completely understand that the friend of a friend thing is bizarre.
edit: In Ender's Game it seems like the internet has evolved to where you have a user ID for the entire thing. A singular name. Not your real name though. Seems like it'd be interesting. I wouldn't mind having a single login for everything, though the security problems would be nightmarish.
Being able to see friend-of-friend names is intentional. Even if there wasn't an easy API for accessing RealID information, addons could just pull it directly from the chatlog. It's not really a system that they can just wall off from the rest of the UI without breaking a whole bunch of other stuff.
well now we have nothing to bitch about, i guess i'll get back to being bored at work
Now if they would just remove the real name stuff from the friend system. If it could all just be done off a permanent alias, I would be as happy as could be.
Or you could just turn it off and let those of us that want to use it (Like me) enjoy it.
Jesus christ would you stop being a silly goose? I have turned it off, and nothing I say can keep you from using/enjoying it (unless you are taking the complaint to a personal level, which returns you to silly goose territory). All I said is that I would love to use it as well, but only would if they make that change.
Hey, you said "if they would just remove the real name stuff." Not trying to offend! I lose track of poster names sometimes.
A lot of people want the whole system purged, which seems like overkill to me. I really like the idea of the system.
None of my internet friends are friends with anyone particularly sketchy. I only RealID people I 100% trust in this regard. I figured everyone would do this. Did people think RealIDing their entire guild would be a good idea?
I have friends that play that I trust 100%. The main guys I play with I have been friends with in real life for 15+ years, when one of them got married I was one of the groomsmen. But they are friends with people that they trust but that I do not know. While I am sure they are fine people I would prefer that they did not have access to my real name until such a time as I have decided they are cool people.
If they allowed me to control that I would love to use the system. I love the idea that I could be playing Diablo 3 and one of my friends could message me from StarCraft 2 asking me to log in and play a game. That would be cool as shit. But they'll have to either remove Friend-of-Friend or allow aliases before I'm ready to use it.
Official statement by Blizzard, saying they're NOT going to do this due to the riot:
Hello everyone,
I'd like to take some time to speak with all of you regarding our desire to make the Blizzard forums a better place for players to discuss our games. We've been constantly monitoring the feedback you've given us, as well as internally discussing your concerns about the use of real names on our forums. As a result of those discussions, we've decided at this time that real names will not be required for posting on official Blizzard forums.
It's important to note that we still remain committed to improving our forums. Our efforts are driven 100% by the desire to find ways to make our community areas more welcoming for players and encourage more constructive conversations about our games. We will still move forward with new forum features such as the ability to rate posts up or down, post highlighting based on rating, improved search functionality, and more. However, when we launch the new StarCraft II forums that include these new features, you will be posting by your StarCraft II Battle.net character name + character code, not your real name. The upgraded World of Warcraft forums with these new features will launch close to the release of Cataclysm, and also will not require your real name.
I want to make sure it's clear that our plans for the forums are completely separate from our plans for the optional in-game Real ID system now live with World of Warcraft and launching soon with StarCraft II. We believe that the powerful communications functionality enabled by Real ID, such as cross-game and cross-realm chat, make Battle.net a great place for players to stay connected to real-life friends and family while playing Blizzard games. And of course, you'll still be able to keep your relationships at the anonymous, character level if you so choose when you communicate with other players in game. Over time, we will continue to evolve Real ID on Battle.net to add new and exciting functionality within our games for players who decide to use the feature.
In closing, I want to point out that our connection with our community has always been and will always be extremely important to us. We strongly believe that Every Voice Matters, ( http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/mission.html ) and we feel fortunate to have a community that cares so passionately about our games. We will always appreciate the feedback and support of our players, which has been a key to Blizzard's success from the beginning.
Mike Morhaime
CEO & Cofounder
Blizzard Entertainment
//ed - Post edited to update the list of new forum features that will be implemented.
Yea, the thing about friends is, you may have known them since you were 4, and you may think they're really cool dudes, but...everyone's got that one friend who's just a little bit thick and actually would friend every single person in their guild.
That's retarded. Who ever thought that was a good idea? When has that ever been useful?
I think the idea would be that you would friend the maximum number of people possible. I.e you remembered X person played wow. Oh hey, they're friends with Y! I haven't talked to that guy in forever! added.
And so on. I've used friends of friends on facebook this way, I think that was their plan.
Also KiTA, are you late to every party you've been to ever or what?
Yea, the thing about friends is, you may have known them since you were 4, and you may think they're really cool dudes, but...everyone's got that one friend who's just a little bit thick and actually would friend every single person in their guild.
And then of course would cry the moment you defriended him.
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jackalFuck Yes. That is an orderly anal warehouse.Registered Userregular
Yea, the thing about friends is, you may have known them since you were 4, and you may think they're really cool dudes, but...everyone's got that one friend who's just a little bit thick and actually would friend every single person in their guild.
And then of course would cry the moment you defriended him.
Then let 'em cry. If a buddy kept bringing people you didn't know over to your house you'd tell him to stop* if it hurt his feelings or not. No difference.
*unless of course they kept showing up with steaks then I might let it continue.
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The real name bit may be gone, but the problems of Facebook integration and the current direction of Blizzard with this remain.
I feel the same way.
Yeah, the real names on forums is dead, but what is coming next? I'm sure there'll be some ethically questionable thing popping up before RealID is dead.
Yea, the thing about friends is, you may have known them since you were 4, and you may think they're really cool dudes, but...everyone's got that one friend who's just a little bit thick and actually would friend every single person in their guild.
And then of course would cry the moment you defriended him.
Then let 'em cry. If a buddy kept bringing people you didn't know over to your house you'd tell him to stop* if it hurt his feelings or not. No difference.
*unless of course they kept showing up with steaks then I might let it continue.
Before I turned off the whole system completely using Parental Controls all of my friends except for one had friended at least one person I didn't know.
And besides, I shouldn't have to monitor who my friends are friends with each time I log in. They should be able to be friends with whomever they want and I should be able to be friends with whomever I want, and it shouldn't intersect unless I desire it to.
The real name bit may be gone, but the problems of Facebook integration and the current direction of Blizzard with this remain.
I feel the same way.
Yeah, the real names on forums is dead, but what is coming next? I'm sure there'll be some ethically questionable thing popping up before RealID is dead.
RealID doesn't need to die, it's a great idea. It's just the implementation that's been terrible.
The friend-of-friend thing only shows your name and nothing else. It doesn't say your server, it doesn't say your character, it doesn't say if you're online or not, it's just your name. There's no way to attach it to you unless you or your friend tells their friend outright what your name is. If you don't trust your friends to not dick you over then don't be friends with them and suffer whatever fallout happens because of that.
Anyway, I'm sure that a ton of Blizz employees were against the change and having the huge outcry gave them the power to go to management and tell them to fuck off. It just shows that Activision's finally gotten its tendrils firmly into Blizzard and any day they could pull an Infinity Ward style shitstorm and basically gut the company.
I wish we could create cross-server chat channels. It'd be cool to chat with other people on the PA forums while raiding or whatever. I mean, yeah, RealID let's you broadcast stuff, but that's not really useful in the sense I'm thinking.
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Yes but what features do you lose because you don't use it?
I'm just pissing in the wind at this point and I'll admit it.
Maybe if you opt-in with the facebook integration you get a cool free pet, a free mount, the ability to group with your real-id friends, raid with them, etc.
Jesus christ would you stop being a silly goose? I have turned it off, and nothing I say can keep you from using/enjoying it (unless you are taking the complaint to a personal level, which returns you to silly goose territory). All I said is that I would love to use it as well, but only would if they make that change.
Yes, I'm aware of that. I've already turned Real ID entirely off, and it's not coming back on until they give me one of those features. Talking about if you want to use the system at all.
I was about to say that the addon issue could b easily fixed, but then I though...
Add-ons can parse the chat log, right? Couldn't that be used to grab RealID of not just you but anyone you talk to / logs on / what not? If so, huge potential issue not easily resolved.
Yes, that's the very obvious, upfront and completely clear effects of using it.
If you don't like it, don't use it. No one is forcing you to.
Not gonna be able to easily stalk forum chicks now or something?
Users will still be easily accountable to Blizzard under the new system, just not accountable to Blizzard and any random asshole who decides to search through the forums.
Hey, you said "if they would just remove the real name stuff." Not trying to offend! I lose track of poster names sometimes.
A lot of people want the whole system purged, which seems like overkill to me. I really like the idea of the system.
None of my internet friends are friends with anyone particularly sketchy. I only RealID people I 100% trust in this regard. I figured everyone would do this. Did people think RealIDing their entire guild would be a good idea?
As someone who doesn't play WoW, to be honest I was kind of hoping to see how bad the train wreck would get.
No one has wanted the whole system purged.
A lot of people have wanted Real Names purged off the system. Everyone else is as happy as a motherfucking goose about the system in general except for that pretty large, glaring, burn-your-cornea-out detail.
Fixt
I have friends that play that I trust 100%. The main guys I play with I have been friends with in real life for 15+ years, when one of them got married I was one of the groomsmen. But they are friends with people that they trust but that I do not know. While I am sure they are fine people I would prefer that they did not have access to my real name until such a time as I have decided they are cool people.
If they allowed me to control that I would love to use the system. I love the idea that I could be playing Diablo 3 and one of my friends could message me from StarCraft 2 asking me to log in and play a game. That would be cool as shit. But they'll have to either remove Friend-of-Friend or allow aliases before I'm ready to use it.
I would have been curious too, if not for my fear of Real Name Accountability then becoming some kind of new internet standard.
Yeah, it would have been hilarious to watch right up until someone got hurt. Then I would feel bad
Actually I figured once stories of people actually getting stalked started hitting the newspapers and CNN, it'd probably kill off the concept for good. Seems like the concept as an actual law, for all posts/etc anywhere, does get floated every once in a while and I'd like for that to stop.
I guess this is better for the people not getting stalked now though
I don't have a problem with real names if they're associated only with the people I want them to be associated with. I'd also love it if I could be SniperGuy across all my games, rather than my real name. But given how I use the system how it is right now is workable for me personally. I think I have...four RealID friends. But I also work in Tech Support and the only person not on that list is a Ventrilo buddy that I've known for years. I trust their judgement too. Though I completely understand that the friend of a friend thing is bizarre.
edit: In Ender's Game it seems like the internet has evolved to where you have a user ID for the entire thing. A singular name. Not your real name though. Seems like it'd be interesting. I wouldn't mind having a single login for everything, though the security problems would be nightmarish.
This thread moves hella fast.
I've heard people who work on Family Guy say that Mila Kunis plays a mage in WoW.
Pretty much this.
Official statement by Blizzard, saying they're NOT going to do this due to the riot:
I think the idea would be that you would friend the maximum number of people possible. I.e you remembered X person played wow. Oh hey, they're friends with Y! I haven't talked to that guy in forever! added.
And so on. I've used friends of friends on facebook this way, I think that was their plan.
Also KiTA, are you late to every party you've been to ever or what?
And then of course would cry the moment you defriended him.
In my defense, between hitting reply, hitting paste, and the page loading, FOUR NEW PAGES appeared.
Then let 'em cry. If a buddy kept bringing people you didn't know over to your house you'd tell him to stop* if it hurt his feelings or not. No difference.
*unless of course they kept showing up with steaks then I might let it continue.
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She is a pretty lady. I bet she's a fire mage.
I feel the same way.
Yeah, the real names on forums is dead, but what is coming next? I'm sure there'll be some ethically questionable thing popping up before RealID is dead.
Before I turned off the whole system completely using Parental Controls all of my friends except for one had friended at least one person I didn't know.
And besides, I shouldn't have to monitor who my friends are friends with each time I log in. They should be able to be friends with whomever they want and I should be able to be friends with whomever I want, and it shouldn't intersect unless I desire it to.
RealID doesn't need to die, it's a great idea. It's just the implementation that's been terrible.
Anyway, I'm sure that a ton of Blizz employees were against the change and having the huge outcry gave them the power to go to management and tell them to fuck off. It just shows that Activision's finally gotten its tendrils firmly into Blizzard and any day they could pull an Infinity Ward style shitstorm and basically gut the company.
Well she can make my pants invisible anyday