It's 2 full games that keeps the same essential multiplayer core.
Like Halo.
....and Halo 2 was criticized as well for being Halo 1 + instead of it's own game. Heck, if my memory servers, PA even did a comic mocking Halo 2 for just that. You are essentially saying "See this other popular game which was disliked for having little different from the previous installment in the series? Yeah! That's why you can't complain about this one!"
And, yes, the Starcraft 2 Terran campaign will be many, many, many missions more than Starcrafts entire 3 races. This, however, says absolutely nothing about story content, as it may have the same length *story* as the original and just an extra bunch of filler missions.
It's already pretty well known that it will have a ton of filler side missions. You go and so side stuff to earn cash to buy perma-upgrades.
It's more that there's a story line but it branches out at certain points and you can do a certain set of missions in any order.
You also get like artifacts and such from missions which you use to buy upgrades. But not all the upgrades are gettable in one go through so you can play the campaign with different upgrades a second time.
Even with the decision by Blizzard not to display real names on the forums (at this time), I do not plan on enabling Real ID on any of my Blizzard games, ever. To me, Blizzard has poisoned the well with the level of misdirection employed by their PR teams in order to convince us we should enjoy being force-fed shovelfuls of privacy-invasive horse shit. It's simply ludicrous, and since Blizzard has left open the option to pull the, "Surprise! It's good for you!" crap in the future, I am done.
At this point, it doesn't matter what they do or give out for Real ID usage, I won't be using it.
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I have no doubts about the SC2 single player missions, blizzard has a pretty fucking stellar record in that regard, imho.
The mission videos alone would probably be worth the whole price :P
Even with the decision by Blizzard not to display real names on the forums (at this time), I do not plan on enabling Real ID on any of my Blizzard games, ever. To me, Blizzard has poisoned the well with the level of misdirection employed by their PR teams in order to convince us we should enjoy being force-fed shovelfuls of privacy-invasive horse shit. It's simply ludicrous, and since Blizzard has left open the option to pull the, "Surprise! It's good for you!" crap in the future, I am done.
At this point, it doesn't matter what they do or give out for Real ID usage, I won't be using it.
I think this is the rational approach to the issue. Only reason I jumped in on the discussion myself as a non-WoW player was they were essentially taking features and downgrading them (adding requirements to the forums) in a significant way. I personally want to make sure developers understand that isn't acceptable. Want to ADD something with requirements? By all means. I'm just not okay with taking stuff away, especially on motives that have more to do with company profits than common sense.
Though I will say fuck Kotick, I hate that guy, and if he kills Blizzard someday like he did IW I'm gonna be mega pissed.
I really would like to have someone from inside Blizzard leak a bit of the internal affairs in regards to this issue. We had a small amount of leaks from GMs talking about it, but nothing from the main building as far as I know. I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall while this was happening, I can only imagine the madness.
We're not going to have our full names plastered on the forums here in a couple weeks, but something along these lines are going to happen again, just more subtly next time, and the time after that. This was just a "test run" to see how the players would react to their information being sold so blatantly.
Activision Blizzard is double dipping. Before, Blizz was content to create a game and enjoy the profits on the most successful game ever made. With Activision, the game is now a means to generate new content to sell: our information. The players are now another commodity for sale.
That's why they were hoping to lure in all the Farmville crowds. The more people in their database with real names, the more advertisers pay for the ability to market to those people.
There's too much money involved for Activision to turn away now.
This is not even close to over, and it'll get much worse. I guarantee it, eat my own cock, etc.
We're not going to have our full names plastered on the forums here in a couple weeks, but something along these lines are going to happen again, just more subtly next time, and the time after that. This was just a "test run" to see how the players would react to their information being sold so blatantly.
Activision Blizzard is double dipping. Before, Blizz was content to create a game and enjoy the profits on the most successful game ever made. With Activision, the game is now a means to generate new content to sell: our information. The players are now another commodity for sale.
That's why they were hoping to lure in all the Farmville crowds. The more people in their database with real names, the more advertisers pay for the ability to market to those people.
There's too much money involved for Activision to turn away now.
This is not even close to over, and it'll get much worse. I guarantee it, eat my own cock, etc.
That's a great reason to opt out now. There's a how-to linked on the first page.
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Man, that's a big leap, going from Farmville to WoW. There'd have to be long stretches of waiting in WoW for shit to happen, and Blizzard would have to incorporate lots of rewards for getting other people to play.
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If WoW were going to be like Farmville, it'd have a shitty flash interface and progress would be stymied by having to get your friends to work on your farm for you as a favor, like to rake or some shit. So in WoW, it'd be like some amount of your questing would be done directly by other people.
So let's stop the OMG FARMVILLE shit, please. I understand there's outrage over this, but hyperbole can only go so far before you look like a silly goose.
That threshold was crossed long ago. There's no turning back now!
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I defriended someone on Facebook for spamming help messages for Farmville once. And I brandished it as a threat to the other people who play it. Their specific "Help me, Henry!" requests came to a stop.
Actually, wasn't there a WoW Facebook app in the works? I swear I remember hearing about one.
Yup, it would link your Real ID to your Facebook account, so that your friends (or friends of friends, or whatever; I don't know the specifics in that regard) could see your status and check the armory pages for your various characters.
Essentially, the intention was that your Facebook friends would become your Real ID friends and vice versa, thus expanding both communities.
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I defriended someone on Facebook for spamming help messages for Farmville once. And I brandished it as a threat to the other people who play it. Their specific "Help me, Henry!" requests came to a stop.
That's why you just tell facebook to block whatever app they're sending you things from. I have to block a new one every few weeks, but once you hit it once you won't ever see spam from that particular app again, regardless of who it is from.
Actually, wasn't there a WoW Facebook app in the works? I swear I remember hearing about one.
Yup, it would link your Real ID to your Facebook account, so that your friends (or friends of friends, or whatever; I don't know the specifics in that regard) could see your status and check the armory pages for your various characters.
Essentially, the intention was that your Facebook friends would become your Real ID friends and vice versa, thus expanding both communities.
You're confusing things. There's the WoW Armory Facebook app that's existed for like 6 months now that you can attach characters from your WoW account to your Facebook account through the app and allow it to automatically put notices in your feed about Achievements (filterable by you) or new gear (ilvl and quality thresholds selectable by you).
With the rollout of Battle.net 2.0 they're introducing the ability to give your Facebook account email address to Battle.net and they will scour your friend list for anyone else who's got a Battle.net account and add them to your friend list. That's it.
Actually, wasn't there a WoW Facebook app in the works? I swear I remember hearing about one.
Yup, it would link your Real ID to your Facebook account, so that your friends (or friends of friends, or whatever; I don't know the specifics in that regard) could see your status and check the armory pages for your various characters.
Essentially, the intention was that your Facebook friends would become your Real ID friends and vice versa, thus expanding both communities.
You're confusing things. There's the WoW Armory Facebook app that's existed for like 6 months now that you can attach characters from your WoW account to your Facebook account through the app and allow it to automatically put notices in your feed about Achievements (filterable by you) or new gear (ilvl and quality thresholds selectable by you).
With the rollout of Battle.net 2.0 they're introducing the ability to give your Facebook account email address to Battle.net and they will scour your friend list for anyone else who's got a Battle.net account and add them to your friend list. That's it.
And that's different from what I said how?
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Actually, wasn't there a WoW Facebook app in the works? I swear I remember hearing about one.
Yup, it would link your Real ID to your Facebook account, so that your friends (or friends of friends, or whatever; I don't know the specifics in that regard) could see your status and check the armory pages for your various characters.
Essentially, the intention was that your Facebook friends would become your Real ID friends and vice versa, thus expanding both communities.
You're confusing things. There's the WoW Armory Facebook app that's existed for like 6 months now that you can attach characters from your WoW account to your Facebook account through the app and allow it to automatically put notices in your feed about Achievements (filterable by you) or new gear (ilvl and quality thresholds selectable by you).
With the rollout of Battle.net 2.0 they're introducing the ability to give your Facebook account email address to Battle.net and they will scour your friend list for anyone else who's got a Battle.net account and add them to your friend list. That's it.
And that's different from what I said how?
One, the way you phrased things implied that the WoW Facebook app didn't already exist. Two, your description of what the app does was incorrect. Three, the WoW Facebook app only connects to your armory for the characters you choose to share, not your Battle.net account, so no one can Battle.net friend you that way. And four, the Battle.net Facebook integration is separate from the WoW Facebook app: you can integrate your Facebook friends as Battle.net friends without having the app and you can have the app and never integrate friends.
Actually, wasn't there a WoW Facebook app in the works? I swear I remember hearing about one.
Yup, it would link your Real ID to your Facebook account, so that your friends (or friends of friends, or whatever; I don't know the specifics in that regard) could see your status and check the armory pages for your various characters.
Essentially, the intention was that your Facebook friends would become your Real ID friends and vice versa, thus expanding both communities.
You're confusing things. There's the WoW Armory Facebook app that's existed for like 6 months now that you can attach characters from your WoW account to your Facebook account through the app and allow it to automatically put notices in your feed about Achievements (filterable by you) or new gear (ilvl and quality thresholds selectable by you).
With the rollout of Battle.net 2.0 they're introducing the ability to give your Facebook account email address to Battle.net and they will scour your friend list for anyone else who's got a Battle.net account and add them to your friend list. That's it.
And that's different from what I said how?
One, the way you phrased things implied that the WoW Facebook app didn't already exist. Two, your description of what the app does was incorrect. Three, the WoW Facebook app only connects to your armory for the characters you choose to share, not your Battle.net account, so no one can Battle.net friend you that way. And four, the Battle.net Facebook integration is separate from the WoW Facebook app: you can integrate your Facebook friends as Battle.net friends without having the app and you can have the app and never integrate friends.
None of which have anything to do with my point, which was, "Essentially, the intention was that your Facebook friends would become your Real ID friends and vice versa, thus expanding both communities."
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It doesn't really expand either community. It just lets you go, "Oh, this person that friended me who I have no idea who it is but I was feeling generous that day also plays World of Warcraft. I didn't know that."
WoW costs money to play, so it's really hard to get people to just hop on that. Oh, and the initial price to play, if anything, goes up. It's what, 60 bucks now to get everything?
It doesn't really expand either community. It just lets you go, "Oh, this person that friended me who I have no idea who it is but I was feeling generous that day also plays World of Warcraft. I didn't know that."
It exposes both communities to people in the other community. When people know they have friends participating in one or the other, there's bound to be crossover (at least, that's what Facebook and Activision were hoping). Your example isn't the only possibility:
"Hey, look, Uncle Bob plays some game called World of Warcraft. I've heard of it before, and always wondered if it was fun. <clickety-click> Hey, there's a two week free trial!"
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Making yourself a fan of the WoW/Blizzard facebook page or putting your status as "playing WoW, having lots of fun"/"excited for the raid in WoW tonight" does just as much if not more to "expose" one side to the other as having a facebook app does. It's not something new that the app enables.
It doesn't really expand either community. It just lets you go, "Oh, this person that friended me who I have no idea who it is but I was feeling generous that day also plays World of Warcraft. I didn't know that."
It exposes both communities to people in the other community. When people know they have friends participating in one or the other, there's bound to be crossover (at least, that's what Facebook and Activision were hoping). Your example isn't the only possibility:
"Hey, look, Uncle Bob plays some game called World of Warcraft. I've heard of it before, and always wondered if it was fun. <clickety-click> Hey, there's a two week free trial!"
The apps? Sure, I could buy that argument. But RealID doesn't do anything other than search your friends list to see who else has a Battle.net account.
At least, that's what it did in the Starcraft 2 beta. And so far all it does in WoW is let you talk to friends that are playing on another server.
It doesn't really expand either community. It just lets you go, "Oh, this person that friended me who I have no idea who it is but I was feeling generous that day also plays World of Warcraft. I didn't know that."
It exposes both communities to people in the other community. When people know they have friends participating in one or the other, there's bound to be crossover (at least, that's what Facebook and Activision were hoping). Your example isn't the only possibility:
"Hey, look, Uncle Bob plays some game called World of Warcraft. I've heard of it before, and always wondered if it was fun. <clickety-click> Hey, there's a two week free trial!"
The apps? Sure, I could buy that argument. But RealID doesn't do anything other than search your friends list to see who else has a Battle.net account.
At least, that's what it did in the Starcraft 2 beta. And so far all it does in WoW is let you talk to friends that are playing on another server.
This is what is called "word of mouth" or "free advertising". A lot of businesses rely on it. I don't really see how you can think this is some impossibility on the part of Activision or Facebook, that they add a button inviting some or all your friends from one to participate in the other.
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Oh, it's possible. But it's not what they've done.
But it is one of the things I believe they would have done had they gone ahead with the "real name on forums" thing. Heck, they'll probably try the Facebook thing anyways.
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So you were expecting an app that'd post to your wall something like "Hey, want to play WoW with me? Reply to this and the Battle.net app will automatically send you a Refer-a-Friend invite!" and some feature of Battle.net that'd broadcast "Click here to send a friend request to my Facebook account!" to everyone on your friendslist?
My brother added a few of the people he has a freindship or whatever in the game as real freinds and is that ever creepy to see
To see the real name of the person is online and what they are doing is really odd to me
When someone has to make a post about how no one 'got to them,' well.
That post with that employee's personal data scared them all shitless and they're [VERY SILLY GEESE] if they don't admit it, at least in private.
Yes, funny how after all the CMs and low level employees were found out, nothing happened. But as soon as the high level execs and such were exposed, that's when suddenly it doesn't seem like a good idea to have your name out on the net tied into a gaming community.
I mean realistically we're our own worse enemy by acting like savages about this. However, I am absolutely glad to be part of a community dedicated enough to actually stand up behind what it believes and not pussyfoot out of it and just deal with it.
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Henroid is thinking that we're opposed to the realID system. We're not. We're opposed to, like I said earlier, the huge, glaring, burn-your-corneas-out issue that's using your real name for the system instead of a global handle.
Honestly I have some real life friends i don't want to know the email attached to my account, let alone their friends. I'd be more than happy giving them a universal nickname they can see regardless of what character i'm on but i guess for now I can just steam chat or call them
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So it's... Dawn of War 2.
You also get like artifacts and such from missions which you use to buy upgrades. But not all the upgrades are gettable in one go through so you can play the campaign with different upgrades a second time.
At this point, it doesn't matter what they do or give out for Real ID usage, I won't be using it.
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
The mission videos alone would probably be worth the whole price :P
I think this is the rational approach to the issue. Only reason I jumped in on the discussion myself as a non-WoW player was they were essentially taking features and downgrading them (adding requirements to the forums) in a significant way. I personally want to make sure developers understand that isn't acceptable. Want to ADD something with requirements? By all means. I'm just not okay with taking stuff away, especially on motives that have more to do with company profits than common sense.
Though I will say fuck Kotick, I hate that guy, and if he kills Blizzard someday like he did IW I'm gonna be mega pissed.
Amusing that this thread almost caught up to the [chat] thread in pages. Seems kinda' pointless now though.
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"Tardo Wan" sounds like a Jedi that required 436 years to train and then killed himself by looking into his lightsaber while turning it on."
We're not going to have our full names plastered on the forums here in a couple weeks, but something along these lines are going to happen again, just more subtly next time, and the time after that. This was just a "test run" to see how the players would react to their information being sold so blatantly.
Activision Blizzard is double dipping. Before, Blizz was content to create a game and enjoy the profits on the most successful game ever made. With Activision, the game is now a means to generate new content to sell: our information. The players are now another commodity for sale.
That's why they were hoping to lure in all the Farmville crowds. The more people in their database with real names, the more advertisers pay for the ability to market to those people.
There's too much money involved for Activision to turn away now.
This is not even close to over, and it'll get much worse. I guarantee it, eat my own cock, etc.
That's a great reason to opt out now. There's a how-to linked on the first page.
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
Oh.
Oh fuck.
Oh fuck.
So let's stop the OMG FARMVILLE shit, please. I understand there's outrage over this, but hyperbole can only go so far before you look like a silly goose.
Yup, it would link your Real ID to your Facebook account, so that your friends (or friends of friends, or whatever; I don't know the specifics in that regard) could see your status and check the armory pages for your various characters.
Essentially, the intention was that your Facebook friends would become your Real ID friends and vice versa, thus expanding both communities.
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
The internets isn't for you. Now get back in your grognard cave! :P
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
That's why you just tell facebook to block whatever app they're sending you things from. I have to block a new one every few weeks, but once you hit it once you won't ever see spam from that particular app again, regardless of who it is from.
You're confusing things. There's the WoW Armory Facebook app that's existed for like 6 months now that you can attach characters from your WoW account to your Facebook account through the app and allow it to automatically put notices in your feed about Achievements (filterable by you) or new gear (ilvl and quality thresholds selectable by you).
With the rollout of Battle.net 2.0 they're introducing the ability to give your Facebook account email address to Battle.net and they will scour your friend list for anyone else who's got a Battle.net account and add them to your friend list. That's it.
And that's different from what I said how?
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
One, the way you phrased things implied that the WoW Facebook app didn't already exist. Two, your description of what the app does was incorrect. Three, the WoW Facebook app only connects to your armory for the characters you choose to share, not your Battle.net account, so no one can Battle.net friend you that way. And four, the Battle.net Facebook integration is separate from the WoW Facebook app: you can integrate your Facebook friends as Battle.net friends without having the app and you can have the app and never integrate friends.
None of which have anything to do with my point, which was, "Essentially, the intention was that your Facebook friends would become your Real ID friends and vice versa, thus expanding both communities."
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
It exposes both communities to people in the other community. When people know they have friends participating in one or the other, there's bound to be crossover (at least, that's what Facebook and Activision were hoping). Your example isn't the only possibility:
"Hey, look, Uncle Bob plays some game called World of Warcraft. I've heard of it before, and always wondered if it was fun. <clickety-click> Hey, there's a two week free trial!"
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
The apps? Sure, I could buy that argument. But RealID doesn't do anything other than search your friends list to see who else has a Battle.net account.
At least, that's what it did in the Starcraft 2 beta. And so far all it does in WoW is let you talk to friends that are playing on another server.
This is what is called "word of mouth" or "free advertising". A lot of businesses rely on it. I don't really see how you can think this is some impossibility on the part of Activision or Facebook, that they add a button inviting some or all your friends from one to participate in the other.
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
But it is one of the things I believe they would have done had they gone ahead with the "real name on forums" thing. Heck, they'll probably try the Facebook thing anyways.
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
To see the real name of the person is online and what they are doing is really odd to me
But I knew the first and last names of most of my in-game friends before RealID (facebook, guild get-togethers, etc).
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Yes, funny how after all the CMs and low level employees were found out, nothing happened. But as soon as the high level execs and such were exposed, that's when suddenly it doesn't seem like a good idea to have your name out on the net tied into a gaming community.
I mean realistically we're our own worse enemy by acting like savages about this. However, I am absolutely glad to be part of a community dedicated enough to actually stand up behind what it believes and not pussyfoot out of it and just deal with it.
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