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Comic News Thread: all the muck that's fit to trace

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Just a guess - Marvel recognizes that the back issue market is weak, and is throwing retailers a bone. Easier to sell a single variant cover than it is to sell tons of books in quarter boxes.

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    OK I might have to try Unwritten now since the second trade is 7 issues for only 13 bucks retail which only means 11 at my LCS. Has Carey said how long he plans on writting the title, assuming DC doesn't cancel it? I get enough trades now and I don't like adding more stuff to the list no matter how good I hear it is.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen that boy can sing! Jackson HeightsRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Unwritten is streets ahead, He could probably wrap it up around #25 if he had to but I could see it running to #50.

    If it wins the Eisners it's nominated for I would think it should stick around another year or two.

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    OK I'll give Unwritten a shot. I willingly gave up following Fables for monetary reasons, might as well not punish myself further by missing out on another great title.

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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Greek Street to be canned with #16

    Vertigo is cleaning house with titles these days. And just a year or so ago there was that big push with the dollar issues.

    They best not even think of cancelling Madame Xanadu.

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  • KVWKVW Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    David Finch, an artist with no previous writing experience whatsoever and who is notoriously slow, gets a new Batman title he'll write and draw. With both him and Daniel writing, it's like it's the 90's all over again and DC's trying to be the new Image Comics.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen that boy can sing! Jackson HeightsRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    He did write/draw Aphrodite IX for Top Cow I think, but it was so delayed it drove him from the industry.

    I like how the second entry in the comments (which will no doubt be deleted) is this:
    Attention DC: No one care about David Finch. Really, he’s not that big a deal.

    The book will be delayed with issue #4.


    Back in the day DC used to make a parity when it came to Superman/Batman titles. If Batman had 4 titles Superman had to have 4 titles (this is why Man of Steel came about, to offset Legends of the Dark Knight).

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  • RansRans Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    OK I'll give Unwritten a shot. I willingly gave up following Fables for monetary reasons, might as well not punish myself further by missing out on another great title.

    I also gave up Fables awhile ago for money reasons / became uninteresting. I still plan on getting the trade that finishes off the war with the Adversary at some point. Both Unwritten trades are on my wishlist and I suppose I should pick them up to show my support while the title is still going.

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Rans wrote: »
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    OK I'll give Unwritten a shot. I willingly gave up following Fables for monetary reasons, might as well not punish myself further by missing out on another great title.

    I also gave up Fables awhile ago for money reasons / became uninteresting. I still plan on getting the trade that finishes off the war with the Adversary at some point. Both Unwritten trades are on my wishlist and I suppose I should pick them up to show my support while the title is still going.

    And to be completely honest after I read through the first two Fables trades I wasn't exactly chomping at the bits to read the rest. It wasn't bad but I didn't blow me away either.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen that boy can sing! Jackson HeightsRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    If you don't like it by the end of March of the Wooden Soldiers then it just might not be for you. I've noticed that's the make or break point.

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  • cshadow42cshadow42 Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I enjoy Fables thoroughly, as does my wife.

    I even enjoy the spin-off, Jack of Fables.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    KVW wrote: »
    David Finch, an artist with no previous writing experience whatsoever and who is notoriously slow, gets a new Batman title he'll write and draw. With both him and Daniel writing, it's like it's the 90's all over again and DC's trying to be the new Image Comics.
    Hrm.

    I actually like Finch's art, and delays aside I think he'll do well on Batman, but man, there are so many comic writers out there that I'd rather see helm a new Batman book.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen that boy can sing! Jackson HeightsRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    The way Finch talks about it sounds like it's going to be filled with gore masquerading as a "psychological thriller"

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Greek Street to be canned with #16

    Vertigo is cleaning house with titles these days. And just a year or so ago there was that big push with the dollar issues.

    They best not even think of cancelling Madame Xanadu.

    This, so very hard. Vertigo seems to be my go to publisher for trades right now. Madame Xanadu, Sweet Toot, Unwritten, Fables, Jack of Fables, Scalped, and Air all sit on my shelf right now. I intended to start on Unknown Soldier and House of Mystery at some point as well.

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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    wwtMask wrote: »
    TexiKen wrote: »
    Greek Street to be canned with #16

    Vertigo is cleaning house with titles these days. And just a year or so ago there was that big push with the dollar issues.

    They best not even think of cancelling Madame Xanadu.

    This, so very hard. Vertigo seems to be my go to publisher for trades right now. Madame Xanadu, Sweet Toot, Unwritten, Fables, Jack of Fables, Scalped, and Air all sit on my shelf right now. I intended to start on Unknown Soldier and House of Mystery at some point as well.

    At this point, Vertigo's my go to publisher when I just want to read a good story. I'm not sure why I still read superhero comics though, I guess for the handful of books that actually interest me. That reminds me that I really have to get around to buying Unwritten and Air. Oh and the first House of Mystery trade because for some bizarre reason I bought the second one thinking it was the first.
    TexiKen wrote: »
    The way Finch talks about it sounds like it's going to be filled with gore masquerading as a "psychological thriller"

    Finch's new Batman villain: The Foot Cutter.

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    KVW wrote: »
    David Finch, an artist with no previous writing experience whatsoever and who is notoriously slow, gets a new Batman title he'll write and draw. With both him and Daniel writing, it's like it's the 90's all over again and DC's trying to be the new Image Comics.

    I'm not too big on Finch's art but I'll still try it out.

    I would like more information on JH Williams' Batwoman series, though

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  • KVWKVW Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Well, we know Williams is at least smartenough to get people to co-plot his first major endeavour into the writing game. W. Haden Blackman is helping write the first two arcs (maybe more, not sure). Amy Reeder Hadley is helping with art on the second arc, too. This pretty much tells you a lot about whatsgoing on with that project.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Amy Reeder Hadley's work on Madame Xanadu is pretty nice. Dunno if that'll be enough for me to buy Batwoman, though.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Atlas canceled with issue #5.
    JP: Our orders for ATLAS 1 started off in the low 20ks, which isn't surprising because a lot of things are coming in low right now, and we've always been on the fringe. Atlas has actually always sold better than a lot of books that get to go on much longer- a good bit of DC's line. But the Marvel danger zone is 20k more or less, and since books tend to trend downward, that always sets off alarms. I know some people think I try to cram them in everywhere, but that's really more editors suggesting it, and me usually agreeing. I brought up at least four different characters for "Deadpool Team Up" that were shot down before I finally said "uh... Gorilla Man?" and got greenlit. And that issue has ordered really well, so that makes me think Gorilla Man is probably a character who will have some legs after Atlas. Namora too.

    CA: So this is the end?

    JP: Yeah. I could have kept it going, but the options offered were to tie the book into another crossover mini-event, I just wasn't feeling it. I did it a couple of times already and feel we got some good stuff out of it, but I'm just not interested in doing it again, introducing the team again, all that. This 3-D Man story really turned out to be pretty great, it's going to be a definite highwater mark. And I don't want to follow it with something that would probably be less inspired. Because the whole reason for doing the book is to do the kinds of stories I set the book up for, and if we're not going to do that, there's not much point.

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  • cshadow42cshadow42 Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I wish Marvel had a way to do some online publishing for the titles that don't sell as much. I'd willingly pay a $1 or $2 to read an issue of Atlas online.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen that boy can sing! Jackson HeightsRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Ouch.

    I get tired of saying it but there really would have been nothing wrong with making it a $3 book just to give it an extra chance. Maybe it could have gotten to #11 like the last series.

    Gorilla Man will show up on Thunderbolts probably, he runs into them on a mission and Cage thinks he's cool.

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  • cshadow42cshadow42 Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I think Marvel should have a $1 anthology title that they use to showcase new characters.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Christ, Agents of Atlas can't get a fucking break. Comic book readers don't deserve nice things, not when shit books like JLA and Hulk pull 50k and good books like Atlas fail before they even release a single issue.

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  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Munch wrote: »

    No one should be surprised by this

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Munch wrote: »

    Nobody should be surprised by this

    I'm not. How many times have they re-started it lately? It's a shame but I never expected it to sell well.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Munch wrote: »

    Nobody should be surprised by this

    I'm not really, I'm just pissed that readers aren't giving it a chance (I say that as I sit and trade wait...). Still, the big 2 need to figure out a venue for building up their new and fringe characters so that they can support an ongoing title. Continuing to put out failed ongoing titles isn't working. If you're going to throw money at a losing venture, at least do it in a way that actually gets eyeballs on the product. Do backup features, or $1 introductory issues, or half-price issues, or do an online-only title that gets collected into trades.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Munch wrote: »

    Nobody should be surprised by this

    I'm not really, I'm just pissed that readers aren't giving it a chance (I say that as I sit and trade wait...). Still, the big 2 need to figure out a venue for building up their new and fringe characters so that they can support an ongoing title. Continuing to put out failed ongoing titles isn't working. If you're going to throw money at a losing venture, at least do it in a way that actually gets eyeballs on the product. Do backup features, or $1 introductory issues, or half-price issues, or do an online-only title that gets collected into trades.

    Well, you know you didn't buy it yourself. Maybe others are trade waiting or maybe, like me, they recognised that the book might have been well-written but were just not interested. Honestly I can't think of a good way for Marvel to get readers who are pretty clearly not into Atlas to pick the book, even if it was cheap or had back-up features it would still probably bomb. I did once think that they should put longer back-ups in more popular comics and then use the higher sales of books like Captain America to springboard the lesser known titles from, though I don't know how successful that would be.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Sweet, Robotika: For a Rubles More has been collected. Hardcover for 13.57! Awesome!

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Solar wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Munch wrote: »

    Nobody should be surprised by this

    I'm not really, I'm just pissed that readers aren't giving it a chance (I say that as I sit and trade wait...). Still, the big 2 need to figure out a venue for building up their new and fringe characters so that they can support an ongoing title. Continuing to put out failed ongoing titles isn't working. If you're going to throw money at a losing venture, at least do it in a way that actually gets eyeballs on the product. Do backup features, or $1 introductory issues, or half-price issues, or do an online-only title that gets collected into trades.

    Well, you know you didn't buy it yourself. Maybe others are trade waiting or maybe, like me, they recognised that the book might have been well-written but were just not interested. Honestly I can't think of a good way for Marvel to get readers who are pretty clearly not into Atlas to pick the book, even if it was cheap or had back-up features it would still probably bomb. I did once think that they should put longer back-ups in more popular comics and then use the higher sales of books like Captain America to springboard the lesser known titles from, though I don't know how successful that would be.

    My trade-waiting is more to do with storage, price, and my buying habits changing after a couple months of unemployment. I don't buy ANY singles any more. Still, it's a valid point, since a book's viability is dependent on orders for singles. I just wish it wasn't so, because rising prices means people aren't going to take a chance on unknown quantities, and possible trade sales in the future can't be predicted very well.

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  • cshadow42cshadow42 Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Does anyone know how to get the online comic subscription service/viewer if you don't own an iProduct?

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Solar wrote: »
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Munch wrote: »

    Nobody should be surprised by this

    I'm not really, I'm just pissed that readers aren't giving it a chance (I say that as I sit and trade wait...). Still, the big 2 need to figure out a venue for building up their new and fringe characters so that they can support an ongoing title. Continuing to put out failed ongoing titles isn't working. If you're going to throw money at a losing venture, at least do it in a way that actually gets eyeballs on the product. Do backup features, or $1 introductory issues, or half-price issues, or do an online-only title that gets collected into trades.

    Well, you know you didn't buy it yourself. Maybe others are trade waiting or maybe, like me, they recognised that the book might have been well-written but were just not interested. Honestly I can't think of a good way for Marvel to get readers who are pretty clearly not into Atlas to pick the book, even if it was cheap or had back-up features it would still probably bomb. I did once think that they should put longer back-ups in more popular comics and then use the higher sales of books like Captain America to springboard the lesser known titles from, though I don't know how successful that would be.

    My trade-waiting is more to do with storage, price, and my buying habits changing after a couple months of unemployment. I don't buy ANY singles any more. Still, it's a valid point, since a book's viability is dependent on orders for singles. I just wish it wasn't so, because rising prices means people aren't going to take a chance on unknown quantities, and possible trade sales in the future can't be predicted very well.

    I understand mate, I rarely buy singles these days, usually only with books I really want to support like the Cosmic stuff and Vengeance of the Moon Knight, the rest I just get trades for. And it is a shame that a books success is only measured in it's singles because I'm sure a lot of people go for the cheaper and more resilient option of trades like we do. Maybe that will change soon, after all there are more trades now than there used to be and I think that some things are actually being written for a graphic novel format, Earth-One Superman (I think) is being done for that and I'm actually looking forward to it.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen that boy can sing! Jackson HeightsRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    See, that's the problem. $4 singles may give you better initial return, but if a book can't even get a good amount of trades out to really give Marvel greater profit because the sales of the singles are so low, it's kind of self defeating.

    Agents of Atlas v.2 was $3 for 11 issues, giving Marvel two trades to sell, 90% of that is pure profit since all the production costs were offset with single issue sales. Atlas will only have 1 trade now, 5 issues at that. And let's say Parker and the artist only got maybe a 10% raise (if that) to do this series as opposed to their paychecks for the last one, that would still be covered by a $3 book.

    Look at Ultimate Spider-Man too, the book has been the same quality, if not better since the relaunch, but $4 a pop is making it lose readers consistently. Either Marvel is just accepting they have enough USM trades now so anything else is just a bonus, or they really don't see price increases being a problem.

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I am very worried for Young Allies

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  • TexiKenTexiKen that boy can sing! Jackson HeightsRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Furu wrote: »
    I am very worried for Young Allies

    They at least made it $3 an issue, that was nice of them (look at this mentality, we have to thank publishers for doing common sense things: why do they stay, Steve, why do they stay?)

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Furu wrote: »
    I am very worried for Young Allies

    Yeah me too, and if they were cancelled that would be a shame because I picked up the first issue and it was pretty cool. Got my boy Gravity in there too, that's always good.

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  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo The toilet knows how I feelRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I feel confident in saying Young Allies will be canned within a year's time

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  • TexiKenTexiKen that boy can sing! Jackson HeightsRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    If Atlas #1 only sold 22k ish, then Young Allies probably sold 28k, I mean the only big name was Firestar.

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I feel confident in saying Young Allies will be canned within a year's time

    SHUT UP I HATE YOU

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    cshadow42 wrote: »
    Does anyone know how to get the online comic subscription service/viewer if you don't own an iProduct?
    I understand that Comixology allows you to buy and read comics online, but it's mostly old stuff at inflated prices.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen that boy can sing! Jackson HeightsRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    But Furu Arana is one of Quesada's pet characters so maybe he'll keep the book around on that basis alone?

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