Why is there a 'but' there?
Comic artists just have even more reason to have multiple income sources. At worst the comics work should be creating the market for their other stuff. At best it's just something they've always wanted to do and pays "enough" to still make it doable.
I just think that cranking out twenty-two pages of great art should pay as much as a magazine illustration, or a day of doing sketchy storyboards.
That said, I think comic artists still make a good wage for what they do. It sucks that they don't make more, but that's pretty much entirely down to the comic industry's failure to reach a wider audience. As I understand it, Japanese and European comic artists enjoy a bit more celebrity and financial success than their American counterparts.
Right, they work in cultures that generally don't consider art to be either completely alien or a frivolous hobby. Bastards.
Also, if as many people read that great 22 page comic as looked at that magazine illustration or watched whatever comes of those storyboards then I'm sure that compensation would be comparable.
And for that decent magazine gig there are a billion terrible gigs where you're competing with just out of college dumbasses who are willing to work for beans to "get their foot in the door", or for some guy that thinks their project will make it big someday so you should work for nothing right now.
Just as there are thousands of aspiring comics writers who think you should be gagging to work for $5 a page on their Watchmen fan fiction that they're sure Image will pick up.
This is why I might be a mortgage broker in a few years.
Really, I get why Brightest Day's selling. It's a huge event spiraling out of another event that spiraled out of another event.
But who the Hell's buying 50,000 copies of Superman or 46,000 of Green Arrow? And why aren't they spending that money on other, good things?
Granted, these are the third issues of their respective series, so sales may drop as retailers adjust their orders, but Green Arrow also landed 3,000 sales in reprints, so maybe not.
It's also a bummer that JSA has stayed pretty consistent, while All-Stars has dropped to 22,000. By all accounts, it seems to be the better book.
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Guarding the Globe #1 at 15k. Young Allies #3 at 14 k. Marvel Universe vs. the Punisher #1 only got 26k (but #2 only lost 2k readers, good bi-weekly strategy). And Thanos Imperative only at 30.5k
But Emerald Warriors got some love, that's good.
It looks like the market has given up on Deadpool, everything other than his main book is in the 20's. Good
They really have to be kicking themselves for betting on Deadpool Corps, and canceling Merc With A Mouth, which was still selling well.
Honestly, I don't know why they thought that launching a book with Rob Liefeld was a good idea. Team-Up was always kind of doomed, just due to its nature as an anthology title, but I think Corps could have potentially been a decent seller. Though all desire I had to read it instantly went out the door when I found out Liefeld was doing the art.
Daniel Way's Deadpool book is the only comic that makes me laugh on a regular basis so I'm glad that book still sells. Even if the Hit-Monkey stuff is sub-par (I'm getting the trade in November) the first 3 volumes are fantastic.
But yeah from the way Brevoort's been talking pretty much everything is getting an annual. I know Hulk and Captain America have been specifically mentioned and the Avengers Academy/Young Allies/Spider-Girl annuals are going to be a crossover.
There are tons of funnier books than Daniel Way's Deadpool
I think there are some that have funnier moments, but none are really consistently humor-focused like Deadpool. Except the Marvel Adventures books, which have a totally different audience in mind.
There are tons of funnier books than Daniel Way's Deadpool
I think there are some that have funnier moments, but none are really consistently humor-focused like Deadpool. Except the Marvel Adventures books, which have a totally different audience in mind.
Yes, and that audience is who I am.
Everyone read all of Marvel Adventures
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There are tons of funnier books than Daniel Way's Deadpool
I think there are some that have funnier moments, but none are really consistently humor-focused like Deadpool. Except the Marvel Adventures books, which have a totally different audience in mind.
Yes, and that audience is who I am.
Everyone read all of Marvel Adventures
Also other non-MA books written by the MA guys
(this is code for 'everyone should read spider-girl in november')
That actually sounds pretty nice. Question, though: they say that you can buy an issue and then read it on any device, but then they also say that every comic is a community, and you can leave comments on individual pages and so on (which is actually pretty cool). Does that mean that what you're really getting is access to some files that sit online somewhere, and that's how you can read them anywhere (because you're just pointing your Graphic.ly reader app at some URL)? Meaning, you need constant Internet access if you want to read the comic?
Or do they mean that you actually get a file you can store on your computer, move to your smartphone, whatever? What I'm saying is, if I buy some comics and then move into a cave in the mountains, will I still be able to look at my funny-digibooks as I pick sparrow bones from my wildman beard?
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I downloaded it to my laptop, and it seems to be a store and community, quasi facebook in that you can tell people about what you're reading/buying (it might do it automatically).
Thing is, there is no horizontal scroll bar, and that when you make the window smaller it doesn't adjust, so you've constantly got things running off to the side. And to actually see comics off the screen, since you have no H-scroll you have to click on an issue in screen and then click the next arrow tab (and the comics aren't in order).
Like, at the top of the store page, it gives tabs of publishers, but the publishers beginning with A are all you see, so to get to Marvel you have to click the "Everything" tab and that brings up all the comics they have, and you have to wait while it loads up (very slow, and the kind of slow where you don't know if it's doing something or if you have to click the button again).
I just typed in Daredevil, to see what popped up. X-Men #200 is the first hit, then some CW ASM issues, and some Marvel Knights issues. The selection is very scattershot, Astonishing X-Men is the only series that seems to have all the issues up in a row.
DD Yellow is up, but bits and pieces of the MK DD run.
And $2 for issues (including many old issues like Marvel Knights #6)? No thanks.
On the other hand, I do actually like the reader, which is much improved over Marvel's online thing, as well as Comixology's desktop doohickey.
That said, $1.99 for old shit is pretty ridiculous, but in many cases (such as with Boom! material) it'd still be cheaper than buying singles or even the TPB at the reduced Amazon price. So that's cool.
Nevertheless, I think the major stumbling point for these digital initiatives is always the same: lack of fresh content. I'd definitely pay $1.99 for the newest issue of Incorruptible or Irredeemable, but it's all old stuff, with no guarantee the newer material will ever be made available digitally. Still, there's a bunch of titles on there I am interested in, so I'll probably be buying them.
Just saw on G4 that daredevil is becoming Black Panther : the man without fear as of issue 513. T'Challa supposedly will be without all his tech and support as he becomes the protector of hell's kitchen. This news pleases me.
I was kind of hoping that Kraven would end up being the main character of "Man Without Fear" - for whatever goofy reason, I think that character has potential (it might just be his little booties).
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That said, I think comic artists still make a good wage for what they do. It sucks that they don't make more, but that's pretty much entirely down to the comic industry's failure to reach a wider audience. As I understand it, Japanese and European comic artists enjoy a bit more celebrity and financial success than their American counterparts.
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Also, if as many people read that great 22 page comic as looked at that magazine illustration or watched whatever comes of those storyboards then I'm sure that compensation would be comparable.
And for that decent magazine gig there are a billion terrible gigs where you're competing with just out of college dumbasses who are willing to work for beans to "get their foot in the door", or for some guy that thinks their project will make it big someday so you should work for nothing right now.
Just as there are thousands of aspiring comics writers who think you should be gagging to work for $5 a page on their Watchmen fan fiction that they're sure Image will pick up.
This is why I might be a mortgage broker in a few years.
*sigh*
Really, I get why Brightest Day's selling. It's a huge event spiraling out of another event that spiraled out of another event.
But who the Hell's buying 50,000 copies of Superman or 46,000 of Green Arrow? And why aren't they spending that money on other, good things?
Granted, these are the third issues of their respective series, so sales may drop as retailers adjust their orders, but Green Arrow also landed 3,000 sales in reprints, so maybe not.
It's also a bummer that JSA has stayed pretty consistent, while All-Stars has dropped to 22,000. By all accounts, it seems to be the better book.
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But Emerald Warriors got some love, that's good.
It looks like the market has given up on Deadpool, everything other than his main book is in the 20's. Good
edit: Morning Glories only got 8,600, that's BS.
Honestly, I don't know why they thought that launching a book with Rob Liefeld was a good idea. Team-Up was always kind of doomed, just due to its nature as an anthology title, but I think Corps could have potentially been a decent seller. Though all desire I had to read it instantly went out the door when I found out Liefeld was doing the art.
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Unless you're talking about the Hit-Monkey mini-series, which I've yet to read.
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They're getting an annual at least!
Maybe so TLB but I can't read everything.
so read something funnier and stop reading Daniel Way's Deadpool
So did MI-13.
I say issue #9 is the last issue, plus the annual that's 10 issues, 2 trades for Marvel to sell at $25 each hurp durp.
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it defeats the purpose
Yes, and that audience is who I am.
Everyone read all of Marvel Adventures
Atlantis Attacks....Again?
edit: If you want a funny book buy Thor: Mighty Avenger
Also other non-MA books written by the MA guys
(this is code for 'everyone should read spider-girl in november')
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And they have a desktop and Android application for us peons who ain't got no iPad or iPhone.
Has anyone used their service?
Or do they mean that you actually get a file you can store on your computer, move to your smartphone, whatever? What I'm saying is, if I buy some comics and then move into a cave in the mountains, will I still be able to look at my funny-digibooks as I pick sparrow bones from my wildman beard?
Thing is, there is no horizontal scroll bar, and that when you make the window smaller it doesn't adjust, so you've constantly got things running off to the side. And to actually see comics off the screen, since you have no H-scroll you have to click on an issue in screen and then click the next arrow tab (and the comics aren't in order).
Like, at the top of the store page, it gives tabs of publishers, but the publishers beginning with A are all you see, so to get to Marvel you have to click the "Everything" tab and that brings up all the comics they have, and you have to wait while it loads up (very slow, and the kind of slow where you don't know if it's doing something or if you have to click the button again).
I just typed in Daredevil, to see what popped up. X-Men #200 is the first hit, then some CW ASM issues, and some Marvel Knights issues. The selection is very scattershot, Astonishing X-Men is the only series that seems to have all the issues up in a row.
DD Yellow is up, but bits and pieces of the MK DD run.
And $2 for issues (including many old issues like Marvel Knights #6)? No thanks.
Seems like good stuff, but it doesn't look like they have any Marvel up yet.
Or I just can't find it for some reason.
edit: Bleeding Cool is reporting $1.50 comics for the desktop app, but I don't see them.
That said, $1.99 for old shit is pretty ridiculous, but in many cases (such as with Boom! material) it'd still be cheaper than buying singles or even the TPB at the reduced Amazon price. So that's cool.
Nevertheless, I think the major stumbling point for these digital initiatives is always the same: lack of fresh content. I'd definitely pay $1.99 for the newest issue of Incorruptible or Irredeemable, but it's all old stuff, with no guarantee the newer material will ever be made available digitally. Still, there's a bunch of titles on there I am interested in, so I'll probably be buying them.
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edit: Here is the info
David Liss is the writer, Francesco Fankavilla is the artist (the promo art person).
Remember the discussion last week about black heroes not getting beyond 50 issues in their books? Well, is 513 issues good enough for you hyuck hyuck.
Well-written column by Brian Hibbs that I'm guessing 99% of the posters on this forum can relate to.