I just want Busiek to write an Avengers story like the ones where Ultron invades that country and Kang invades the world.
They were both utterly fantastic
And the Avengers becoming a great international, many-membered and highly organised group with multiple teams around the world doing seperate missions was so cool.
-Nasally interviewer, who seems to think he's funnier than he is? Check.
-Incorrectly attributing Transmetropolitan to Morrison? Check.
-Squandering an opportunity to interview a comics legend, by asking questions like, "Where do you get your ideas?" "Are you a God?" "Who has a better chance with Wonder Woman, Superman or Batman?" and, "Where'd you get that suit?" Check-arooni.
Kevin Smith doesn't get to make fun of other comics.
Anyway I'm not hyped for this that much but that might change when I see some of the tie-in stuff. I was hoping for. I don't know. Ultron or something. An established threat rather then Hey check out this snake guy Immonen drew up on his lunch break.
Also all the people complaining about "event fatigue"? That doesn't appear to be an actual thing from the sales of event comics.
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edited December 2010
I should mention that Kevin Smith one wasn't done by him, but a joke on the fear tagline.
Ultron and the War of the Worlds will probably be next year, which makes this event feel so forced. And in regards to event fatigue, Siege was a top 10 book but still sold rather small compared to the other events, and the smaller events like Shadowland and particularly Chaos War were pretty bad for being labeled as events (Thanos Imperative seemed to simply carry over cosmic Marvel sales figures of 25-30k)
The previous events have been these massive blockbusters with neat concepts.
This sounds like they're making an effort to battle "event fatigue" by using Fraction's reputation as an idea man, and asking him to re-conceptualize the modern crossover event. The problem is that so far the result sounds more Stark Resilient than it does Five Nightmares.
We're probably looking at one character per issue with some special at the end where they team up to fight the void or something after they've all beaten it in their minds.
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Linespider5ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGERRegistered Userregular
edited December 2010
The problem with events is they're so damn marketable. They're like the comic book equivalent of a movie. They've got the star power of pre-existing, well-known characters. Might even have great people writing/drawing it, too. There's this nice label thrown across the event, describing it but it doesn't even need to mean anything. Siege, for instance. Striking, dramatic word, tenuous definition of the story at best. People freak out and buy it to find out where it will go. Rinse, repeat. It's a formula that works, and Marvel is going to keep doing it. They could be better than they are, but it's hard to argue they need to be, if they're succeeding anyway.
Age of Heroes was an even more meaningless heading, as all it indicated was that Siege had ended and a few new Avengers books were starting.
I had thought that it was also indicating that they were stepping away from mega-events for a while. I should have known better when Shadowlands started right afterwards, followed by Chaos War...
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Age of Heroes was an even more meaningless heading, as all it indicated was that Siege had ended and a few new Avengers books were starting.
I had thought that it was also indicating that they were stepping away from mega-events for a while. I should have known better when Shadowlands started right afterwards, followed by Chaos War...
I'm going to borrow a [strike]Fisitronism[/strike] Furmanism: It never ends.
Age of Heroes sounds like a reprieve from the somber and grim tone that extended from Civil War (or Disassembled) to Dark Reign, a return to optimistic and light-hearted storytelling.
But that clearly hasn't been the case, as we're still seeing rampant character death, and positivity as a whole has been relegated to the all-ages books. Spider-Man's become more upbeat, but there was still a beheading in the past few issues.
Age of Heroes sounds like a reprieve from the somber and grim tone that extended from Civil War (or Disassembled) to Dark Reign, a return to optimistic and light-hearted storytelling.
But that clearly hasn't been the case, as we're still seeing rampant character death, and positivity as a whole has been relegated to the all-ages books. Spider-Man's become more upbeat, but there was still a beheading in the past few issues.
Age of Heroes sounds like a reprieve from the somber and grim tone that extended from Civil War (or Disassembled) to Dark Reign, a return to optimistic and light-hearted storytelling.
But that clearly hasn't been the case, as we're still seeing rampant character death, and positivity as a whole has been relegated to the all-ages books. Spider-Man's become more upbeat, but there was still a beheading in the past few issues.
And? The "all age" Spider-Man book featured a life or death battle with Bullseye that killed a supporting cast member and looks to have long-reaching ramifactions for the book.
Unless you want stupid silver age stuff like Batman and Superman back when they weren't allowed to have continuity then there's still going to be violence and bad stuff even in upbeat books.
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edited December 2010
honestly? I wouldn't mind that terribly
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited December 2010
Batman Inc #2 is a good example of doing a fun story yet it's still dark enough to be hip and cool like CSI is for the Dave Finch kids. There's violence but it's pretty much in the background and dependent upon a character who is supposed to be seen as crazy, not sadistic.
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Linespider5ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGERRegistered Userregular
edited December 2010
Why would an upbeat, positive book be incapable of having any continuity?
Superheroes are supposed to be fun. That's why Superman has a cape, and Batman has a car, and why we don't keep track of how old they are.
And? The "all age" Spider-Man book featured a life or death battle with Bullseye that killed a supporting cast member and looks to have long-reaching ramifactions for the book.
Unless you want stupid silver age stuff like Batman and Superman back when they weren't allowed to have continuity then there's still going to be violence and bad stuff even in upbeat books.
I don't think non-speaking animals count as supporting cast members.
But yeah, I wouldn't mind stories where things don't have to be life and death all the time. Why would certain supervillains want to kill someone? Last night, there was an armed robbery two blocks from my house. Two guys with guns broke into a dude's house while he was home, stole his cellphone, whatever money was lying around, and then took off. No one was horribly murdered, or even hurt.
I've complained about this before, criminal morality being so binary in comics. You're evil, or you're not. And if you're evil, you will happily murder people, consequences be damned. And if you're a villain, and manage to reform, you will eventually be evil again, because a writer misses the time when you were a villain. That's all very frustrating and annoying for me. Especially because it's usually done to make a book seem realistic and mature, when it's really a very immature way to depict crime and criminals.
Plus, I tend to think that the impact is greater when someone finally does get killed, or when a genuinely threatening villain shows up, when all the villains aren't like that. Look at Carnage. Whatever power that character had, he had as a result of his willingness to do really, really terrible shit. I still remember a panel from an old Spider-Man comic, where Carnage straight up slams a civilian into a wall, embedding him from the neck-up. As a kid, I read that and was like, "Shit, dude ain't messing around!"
But when you've got Rhino killing people, and the Lizard eating his kid and turning crowds of people into humping murder-machines, and Sandman killing people and abducting their children, and Vulture spitting acid on people, and the Kraven family killing teenagers and old women, the impact of a villain like Carnage is lessened. Because who gives a shit if he kills a few more people, when that's what all the other villains are doing?
I think modern comics, as a whole, would be better off if writers were willing to find ways to write conflict, that didn't always lead to life or death confrontations.
There are plenty of villains who don't kill people or have a goal of killing as many people at all
Also the Rhino and Lizard and Kraven stories in question were really well done but hey someone not reading the book wouldn't know that.
I actually have read Shed, and that was enough for me to realize current Spider-Man's really not for me. I'm not going to read a bunch of shit I probably won't like.
Here's the thing, for me. There are some things that could be extremely well written, and I still wouldn't have any desire to read. Take Identity Crisis, have it written by Grant Morrison, drawn by Frank Quitely, remove the line, "My stomach sinks down to my testicles," and all the other corny bullshit, and if it's still a story about Sue Dibny getting raped and murdered, I'm not going to like it.
Because, and I think I've talked about this here, I as a fan have an idea of how these shared universe characters should work, and what should be done with them. You'll never hear me bitch too much about creator-owned comics, because ultimately, those characters are being driven by a singular creative vision, and if it's one I've liked and trusted enough to get invested in the characters, it's one I'll like and trust enough to follow to the conclusion.
But it bothers me that the maxim among Big Two creators seems to have shifted from the old, "You get to play with the toys, but you can't break them," to, "Fuck it, break them. I'm only writing it for this arc/mini-series anyway."
It's easier to make superheroes if the villains are reliably subhuman.
I was hoping the contrast made it obvious I don't think this is the way to go.
I do think it's interesting with all the trending of flawed heroes, or heroes that can't draw the line or have baggage or whatever, this has all just made villains have to be that much more fucked up so that the heroes are a-okay, even if they have an uncontrollable fetish or something like that.
This is actually a good idea, but it focuses more on the people who would have just stopped reading comics but are still in the comics area in terms of online and print (the entire print magazines are completely meaningless in letting lapsed people know about the price change). I would have thought buying some ads on IGN or Wired or some other websites that overlap with where comic readers would visit would make sense as well. Well, they do make sense, DC just isn't paying attention.
This is actually a good idea, but it focuses more on the people who would have just stopped reading comics but are still in the comics area in terms of online and print (the entire print magazines are completely meaningless in letting lapsed people know about the price change). I would have thought buying some ads on IGN or Wired or some other websites that overlap with where comic readers would visit would make sense as well. Well, they do make sense, DC just isn't paying attention.
I got the retailer version of this email yesterday.
Let's just say the "online" portion is longer.
For whatever reason, be it legal or just for surprise they seem to have left some of that out here.
Hey everyone, I came on here a month ago, talked about my upcoming book Rat Bastards. We got a really sweet boost from Bleedingcool talking about our book. It solicited today (I still haven't picked up the Previews mag as a keepsake yet!)
Hey everyone, I came on here a month ago, talked about my upcoming book Rat Bastards. We got a really sweet boost from Bleedingcool talking about our book. It solicited today (I still haven't picked up the Previews mag as a keepsake yet!)
Well, I didn't want to like it, but I HAVE had a weakness for cybernetic killer animals ever since Cy-Gor, so the bear does intrigue. I'll drop a word by my shop.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited December 2010
I'll pick it up because Beautiful Creatures was a pretty good story from last year. Image in general are getting a lot more books that are perking my interest than from Marvel or DC.
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They were both utterly fantastic
And the Avengers becoming a great international, many-membered and highly organised group with multiple teams around the world doing seperate missions was so cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idlSBQ62zUc
-Nasally interviewer, who seems to think he's funnier than he is? Check.
-Incorrectly attributing Transmetropolitan to Morrison? Check.
-Squandering an opportunity to interview a comics legend, by asking questions like, "Where do you get your ideas?" "Are you a God?" "Who has a better chance with Wonder Woman, Superman or Batman?" and, "Where'd you get that suit?" Check-arooni.
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I no longer like to cringe at things.
Yeah me too
I don't want to watch someone interview Morrison badly
Here's Kevin Smith's contribution
And I made some real quick below:
Thor
Hercules
Ares
Anyway I'm not hyped for this that much but that might change when I see some of the tie-in stuff. I was hoping for. I don't know. Ultron or something. An established threat rather then Hey check out this snake guy Immonen drew up on his lunch break.
Also all the people complaining about "event fatigue"? That doesn't appear to be an actual thing from the sales of event comics.
Ultron and the War of the Worlds will probably be next year, which makes this event feel so forced. And in regards to event fatigue, Siege was a top 10 book but still sold rather small compared to the other events, and the smaller events like Shadowland and particularly Chaos War were pretty bad for being labeled as events (Thanos Imperative seemed to simply carry over cosmic Marvel sales figures of 25-30k)
This sounds like they're making an effort to battle "event fatigue" by using Fraction's reputation as an idea man, and asking him to re-conceptualize the modern crossover event. The problem is that so far the result sounds more Stark Resilient than it does Five Nightmares.
We're probably looking at one character per issue with some special at the end where they team up to fight the void or something after they've all beaten it in their minds.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
I had thought that it was also indicating that they were stepping away from mega-events for a while. I should have known better when Shadowlands started right afterwards, followed by Chaos War...
I'm going to borrow a [strike]Fisitronism[/strike] Furmanism: It never ends.
But that clearly hasn't been the case, as we're still seeing rampant character death, and positivity as a whole has been relegated to the all-ages books. Spider-Man's become more upbeat, but there was still a beheading in the past few issues.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
FEAR
FEAR
FEAR
And? The "all age" Spider-Man book featured a life or death battle with Bullseye that killed a supporting cast member and looks to have long-reaching ramifactions for the book.
Unless you want stupid silver age stuff like Batman and Superman back when they weren't allowed to have continuity then there's still going to be violence and bad stuff even in upbeat books.
Superheroes are supposed to be fun. That's why Superman has a cape, and Batman has a car, and why we don't keep track of how old they are.
But yeah, I wouldn't mind stories where things don't have to be life and death all the time. Why would certain supervillains want to kill someone? Last night, there was an armed robbery two blocks from my house. Two guys with guns broke into a dude's house while he was home, stole his cellphone, whatever money was lying around, and then took off. No one was horribly murdered, or even hurt.
I've complained about this before, criminal morality being so binary in comics. You're evil, or you're not. And if you're evil, you will happily murder people, consequences be damned. And if you're a villain, and manage to reform, you will eventually be evil again, because a writer misses the time when you were a villain. That's all very frustrating and annoying for me. Especially because it's usually done to make a book seem realistic and mature, when it's really a very immature way to depict crime and criminals.
Plus, I tend to think that the impact is greater when someone finally does get killed, or when a genuinely threatening villain shows up, when all the villains aren't like that. Look at Carnage. Whatever power that character had, he had as a result of his willingness to do really, really terrible shit. I still remember a panel from an old Spider-Man comic, where Carnage straight up slams a civilian into a wall, embedding him from the neck-up. As a kid, I read that and was like, "Shit, dude ain't messing around!"
But when you've got Rhino killing people, and the Lizard eating his kid and turning crowds of people into humping murder-machines, and Sandman killing people and abducting their children, and Vulture spitting acid on people, and the Kraven family killing teenagers and old women, the impact of a villain like Carnage is lessened. Because who gives a shit if he kills a few more people, when that's what all the other villains are doing?
I think modern comics, as a whole, would be better off if writers were willing to find ways to write conflict, that didn't always lead to life or death confrontations.
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http://zdarsky.tumblr.com/post/2397196233/i-dont-know-much-about-modern-comics-but-this
So work harder.
Also the Rhino and Lizard and Kraven stories in question were really well done but hey someone not reading the book wouldn't know that.
Yep
"Because it's easier that way" is the worst excuse
Here's the thing, for me. There are some things that could be extremely well written, and I still wouldn't have any desire to read. Take Identity Crisis, have it written by Grant Morrison, drawn by Frank Quitely, remove the line, "My stomach sinks down to my testicles," and all the other corny bullshit, and if it's still a story about Sue Dibny getting raped and murdered, I'm not going to like it.
Because, and I think I've talked about this here, I as a fan have an idea of how these shared universe characters should work, and what should be done with them. You'll never hear me bitch too much about creator-owned comics, because ultimately, those characters are being driven by a singular creative vision, and if it's one I've liked and trusted enough to get invested in the characters, it's one I'll like and trust enough to follow to the conclusion.
But it bothers me that the maxim among Big Two creators seems to have shifted from the old, "You get to play with the toys, but you can't break them," to, "Fuck it, break them. I'm only writing it for this arc/mini-series anyway."
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I was hoping the contrast made it obvious I don't think this is the way to go.
I do think it's interesting with all the trending of flawed heroes, or heroes that can't draw the line or have baggage or whatever, this has all just made villains have to be that much more fucked up so that the heroes are a-okay, even if they have an uncontrollable fetish or something like that.
Sold.
Too bad it doesn't launch until February.
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This is actually a good idea, but it focuses more on the people who would have just stopped reading comics but are still in the comics area in terms of online and print (the entire print magazines are completely meaningless in letting lapsed people know about the price change). I would have thought buying some ads on IGN or Wired or some other websites that overlap with where comic readers would visit would make sense as well. Well, they do make sense, DC just isn't paying attention.
I got the retailer version of this email yesterday.
Let's just say the "online" portion is longer.
For whatever reason, be it legal or just for surprise they seem to have left some of that out here.
Here's the link a friend posted on my FB page.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/12/28/preview-rat-bastards-by-kurtis-j-weibe-and-scott-kowalchuk-from-image-in-march/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BleedingCool+%28Bleeding+Cool+Comic+News+&+Rumors%29
Love to have your support!
Well, I didn't want to like it, but I HAVE had a weakness for cybernetic killer animals ever since Cy-Gor, so the bear does intrigue. I'll drop a word by my shop.
I saw Scott Wegener also plugged it on Twitter, so that can only bode well.
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He did? Wow, didn't hear about that. Wicked!
Thanks people!
It will crack the university in half.