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Pre Fight Debate Thread: Brackets 27 & 28

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    robosagogo wrote:
    Plunging his fists into the molten heart of Shou-Lao the Undying gave Rand the power of the Iron Fist, allowing him to focus his chi and enhance his natural abilities to extraordinary levels. His strength, speed, reflexes and senses can all be intensified, making his already formidable martial arts skills even more so

    The strength of his chi was enhanced, granted, but that doesn't change the fact that he's utilizing a natural source of energy present in all humans to perform extraordinary feats.

    right

    which taskmaster can't do

    because he's not iron fist

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    About Doom vs. GG:

    GG was able to summon ghost in the past, right? Just exactly where, did these spirits come from? If they were just chilling in GG's mansion or whatever, it isn't relevant to this fight, but if GG called those dudes from hell, he could literally have "spiritual support" in this fight.

    More importantly, isn't Doom's Mother in hell? If ghost could get to her before Doom, he could use her as a hostage/barganing chip.

    As for TM vs. Nimrod, TM has a fairly sensable way of winning:

    Step one: Run the hell away from Nimrod.

    Step two: Find nuclear warhear/missle/some other thing that makes a cataclysmic explosion.

    Step three: lure Nimrod to location of aforementioned

    1. no, she's not there anymore

    2. where does tm go after step 3?

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Servo wrote:
    robosagogo wrote:
    Plunging his fists into the molten heart of Shou-Lao the Undying gave Rand the power of the Iron Fist, allowing him to focus his chi and enhance his natural abilities to extraordinary levels. His strength, speed, reflexes and senses can all be intensified, making his already formidable martial arts skills even more so

    The strength of his chi was enhanced, granted, but that doesn't change the fact that he's utilizing a natural source of energy present in all humans to perform extraordinary feats.

    right

    which taskmaster can't do

    because he's not iron fist

    But he can copy a wide range of other martial arts masters who, thanks to being in a fictional universe, can use their chi in similar ways. He references Hindu ascetics at one point, suggesting that he can copy metaphysical abilities along with those that appear to be purely phyiscal.

    In any case, my point was that "normal guy" doesn't apply to Taskmaster and that the things a normal guy may achieve in the Marvel universe far exceed what we can do.

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    but they don't exceed what an all-destroying robot from the future can do

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    also, the whole point of chi is that you can't just focus it at will

    it's not a physical motion that tm can imitate.


    it's an internal training thing

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Servo wrote:
    also, the whole point of chi is that you can't just focus it at will

    it's not a physical motion that tm can imitate.


    it's an internal training thing

    He can speak Japanese after watching a movie marathon. He can copy a person's voice accurately enough to fool voice verification systems.

    You couldn't do either of those things purely by copying the physical motions involved in them, of which only a small part are visible.

    And like I said, the implication was that he could copy the metaphysical abilities of a Hindu ascetic.

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  • JCMJCM Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Servo wrote:
    oh i see

    he doesn't have an entry for 'unpowered' then


    pretty bad design, guys who programmed nimrod!

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    Good point, because according to wiki-

    Nimrod is a mutant-hunting android Sentinel from an alternate future

    Nimrod is the most highly advanced form of Sentinel robot possible for the technology of his native time period and reality to create.

    Nimrod contains highly advanced computer systems as well as scanning devices that make it possible for him to determine whether a human being is a superhuman or not, and if he or she is, to determine the nature of his or her superhuman abilities.

    So lets see, he´s a) from the future, b) is the most advanced sentinel possible c)highly advanced computer and d)is able to determine the nature ofsuperhuman abilities.

    Oh, and the best part of the article?
    In the present, he fought and single-handedly defeated the Juggernaut.
    At that time, Juggernaut was not considered a mutant (only post-quesada did Juggy have some "mutant explanation" slapped-on, so it seems Nimrod has no qualms to beating up a hostile superhuman.

    Nimrod blows Taskmaster up and goes off hunting muties.
    Doctor Doom wins too.

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    robosagogo wrote:
    Servo wrote:
    also, the whole point of chi is that you can't just focus it at will

    it's not a physical motion that tm can imitate.


    it's an internal training thing

    He can speak Japanese after watching a movie marathon. He can copy a person's voice accurately enough to fool voice verification systems.

    You couldn't do either of those things purely by copying the physical motions involved in them, of which only a small part are visible.

    And like I said, the implication was that he could copy the metaphysical abilities of a Hindu ascetic.

    those are pretty broad applications of his ability to instantly imitate any movement he sees

    and are you inferring the japanese thing from that page that keeps getting posted where he kills those japanese dudes in a car? because if you're inferring that he learned japanese from a chow yun fat marathon, i've got bad news for you- chow yun fat movies are in chinese. he learned japanese somewhere else.

    and i actually disagree about the vocal thing. a skilled mimic could easily pick up someone's vocal pattern just by listening to it and there is no more skilled mimic than taskmaster.

    the chi thing is still a matter of training and there is absolutely no implication that he could just learn that by watching it

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    Servo wrote:
    and i actually disagree about the vocal thing. a skilled mimic could easily pick up someone's vocal pattern just by listening to it and there is no more skilled mimic than taskmaster.

    i mean, kevin spacey can do it


    tm is better than kevin spacey

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User
    edited January 2007
    He's got photographic reflexes, not phonographic reflexes.

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  • JCMJCM Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Since we aready know that Nimrod beats Juggy and Tasskmaster lost to Deadpool and the obvious conclusion, can anyone answer me this?

    Why the hell is Superman fighting Gentleman Ghost? Does the flintlock pistol do any harm at all to Sues or something?
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  • JCMJCM Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Is Dr Doom a virgin?

    [quote]Gentleman Ghost is apparently unable to hurt or be hurt by virgins. This is confirmed by his inability to do harm to both Stargirl and Jakeem Thunder.[/quote]

    ??????

    And Dr Doom is a noble right?
    As a supernatural being, Gentleman Ghost cannot be killed and is very hard to hurt. Those with royal blood can physically harm him and it's assumed that people who wield magic could harm him as well.

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  • GoodCitizenGoodCitizen Registered User
    edited January 2007
    JCM wrote:
    Since we aready know that Nimrod beats Juggy and Tasskmaster lost to Deadpool and the obvious conclusion, can anyone answer me this?

    Why the hell is Superman fighting Gentleman Ghost? Does the flintlock pistol do any harm at all to Sues or something?
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    Powers: Spectral ability to turn invisible and incorporeal.
    Renders any body part who touches him deathly cold.
    I can picture it now

    "In this issue Superman fights his greatest foe yet..... SHRINKAGE!"

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    JCM wrote:
    Is Dr Doom a virgin?
    Gentleman Ghost is apparently unable to hurt or be hurt by virgins. This is confirmed by his inability to do harm to both Stargirl and Jakeem Thunder.

    ??????

    no he totally banged a hot gypsy babe in books of doom

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  • JCMJCM Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Id say Doom wins then, as according to wiki-
    As a supernatural being, Gentleman Ghost cannot be killed and is very hard to hurt. Those with royal blood can physically harm him and it's assumed that people who wield magic could harm him as well.

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    oh god he's going to wear ghost's face as a mask in triumph but nobody will ever be able to tell

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    Taskmaster wins because I say so.

    And he nukes the town.

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  • JCMJCM Registered User
    edited January 2007
    In other news, Bambi destroyed Godzilla.

    And blew Tokyo up.

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  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    JCM wrote:
    In other news, Bambi destroyed Godzilla.

    And blew Tokyo up.

    With a nuke.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Was Deadpool in a hero tournament? I'd vote for him constantly with the raging boner i've had for him...since..forever.

    Also, seeing GG paired up against Doom gave me a hearty laugh. Greatly appreciated. Doom advances without contest. Tasky...might be dead. Intelligent debate to come in a moment.

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  • Chrono PaladinChrono Paladin Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Was Deadpool in a hero tournament? I'd vote for him constantly with the raging boner i've had for him...since..forever.

    Also, seeing GG paired up against Doom gave me a hearty laugh. Greatly appreciated. Doom advances without contest. Tasky...might be dead. Intelligent debate to come in a moment.

    Yeah, he was in the tournament up until the Rogue v. Supes v. Constantine v. Deadpool match.

    As to the fight...I don't think Nimrod's going down just on Taskmaster's persuasiveness. And we all know that's a pretty lame way to win a fight anyway. Even with the increased speed of TM, pink boy can still just teleport about him, right?

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  • JCMJCM Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Was Deadpool in a hero tournament? I'd vote for him constantly with the raging boner i've had for him...since..forever.

    Also, seeing GG paired up against Doom gave me a hearty laugh. Greatly appreciated. Doom advances without contest. Tasky...might be dead. Intelligent debate to come in a moment.

    Yeah, he was in the tournament up until the Rogue v. Supes v. Constantine v. Deadpool match.

    As to the fight...I don't think Nimrod's going down just on Taskmaster's persuasiveness. And we all know that's a pretty lame way to win a fight anyway. Even with the increased speed of TM, pink boy can still just teleport about him, right?

    Contastine won right?

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Taskmaster is so boned. He has no chance against Nimrod. Taskmaster may have the moves of every fighter and super being in the Marvel U. But that is just the moves, he doesn't gain super strength or anything like that so he has no way to physically attack Nimrod.

    Detonating a nuke would not work either. Nimrod can interface with computers, if Tasky tried to blow him up with one Nimrod could just tap into the computer terminal and cancel the launch. Even if he was somehow lured away he could just teleport where he needed to be in an instant and stop the launch.

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  • WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    edited January 2007
    Taskmaster isn't super-Jesus. Don't let him be like the Shade from the heroes. Nimrod will shoot him. With lasers.

    Doom and Nimrod move on, and I still stick by my round one prediction of loki v. doom in the finals, with loki moving on to fight thor in the super-finals.

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  • The_LightbringerThe_Lightbringer Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I'm going to have to say Nimrod, I mean really. Nimrod should know by NOW that he's a a massive villain battle tournament. He shouldn't be tricked into doing something as stupid as stand next to a nuke while TM hides in this bunker.

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  • tsplittertsplitter Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I know Nimrod has this in he bag but I dont want to vote for him because I fucking hate Nimrod

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    I was thinking how absurd it is that nobody thinks to beat a super-robot with a logical paradox until it's rampaged for quite some time, until I realized that I hadn't thought of it until now.

    Given TM's photographic memory, that he watches a ton of TV, and there are countless shows (including futurama) where a robot gets his head exploded by a logical paradox.

    So yeah, screw nukes. Logical paradox wins.

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  • Bob The MonkeyBob The Monkey Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I love Tasky as much as the next raving fanboy, btu the truth is he just doesn't have a chance against Nimrod. The chance to copy physical movements =/= the ability to copy strategict tact, physical strength or invulnerability.

    Oh, and Doom for the win.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    I'm voting against Nimrod.

    Because of Karma.

    From when he somehow beat Zoom? Without any possibility being there of that happening?

    Wha-pow, it comes right back at him so hard he ceases to exist.

    Trust me, it's science.

    Science.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2007
    I love Tasky as much as the next raving fanboy, btu the truth is he just doesn't have a chance against Nimrod. The chance to copy physical movements =/= the ability to copy strategict tact, physical strength or invulnerability.

    Oh, and Doom for the win.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Too bad there are multiple futures that continue to exist even if the present stops leading to them. Otherwise, Taskmaster create a nucleaur holocaust and circumvents Nimrod's own existence. Also, too bad Taskmaster never met Magnus, Robot Fighter.

    Taskmaster could, however, convince Nimrod to spare his life in exchange for promising to be his agent in the past by furthering the anti-mutant agenda and ensuring that the Days of the Future Past do come to pass. With his skills at mimicry and complete body control, he could fake sincerity enough to pass the lie detector test.

    Nimrod, meanwhile, would know that someone as talented as Taskmaster who can call upon the most successful and charismatic leaders of the past can change the world far more than the average killer robot.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Well, Taskmaster managed to stalemate Iron Man (pre-Extremis), so it's not like he's just going to get steamrolled by Nimrod. Still, Nimrod has the obvious edge in pure power. I really, really don't want to fucking vote for him though.

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  • MajidahMajidah Registered User
    edited January 2007
    The nuke scenario is pretty unlikely. Los Alamos isn't a nuclear lanuch facility, it's more of a nuclear repair and R&D facillity. They don't have nukes lying around armed ready to go off. Besides Doom never said the place was cleared, I'm pretty sure the security forces aren't just gonna let either contestant waltz into a lab and set off a nuke (assuming they even knew how to make it go).

    I think TM's only chance is his grim logic attack.

    ps. Does anyone but me see that Doom has set up the bracket to virtually garuntee himself a final two slot? Now that's what I call genius-level intellect.

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  • MarathonMarathon Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Spectre-x wrote:
    I'm voting against Nimrod.

    Because of Karma.

    From when he somehow beat Zoom? Without any possibility being there of that happening?

    Wha-pow, it comes right back at him so hard he ceases to exist.

    Trust me, it's science.

    Science.

    It's good to know you're not bitter. It would be a bit sad to carry a grudge like that for the better part of two months. Im proud to see your above that sort of childish behavior.

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  • CrayonCrayon Sleeps in the wrong bed. TejasRegistered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Spectre-x wrote:
    I'm voting against Nimrod.

    Because of Karma.

    From when he somehow beat Zoom? Without any possibility being there of that happening?

    Wha-pow, it comes right back at him so hard he ceases to exist.

    Trust me, it's science.

    Science.

    You're the bitchiest man in existence. I hope your vag bleeds for 2 weeks.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User
    edited January 2007
    Majidah wrote:
    The nuke scenario is pretty unlikely. Los Alamos isn't a nuclear lanuch facility, it's more of a nuclear repair and R&D facillity. They don't have nukes lying around armed ready to go off. Besides Doom never said the place was cleared, I'm pretty sure the security forces aren't just gonna let either contestant waltz into a lab and set off a nuke (assuming they even knew how to make it go).

    I think TM's only chance is his grim logic attack.

    ps. Does anyone but me see that Doom has set up the bracket to virtually garuntee himself a final two slot? Now that's what I call genius-level intellect.

    That's what I was thinking too. If it's staffed, they'll sooner go after Nimrod than Taskmaster, especially since he has an image inducer. Eventually everyone who is deployable would go after Nimrod.

    Nimrod would himself have to self-destruct because decimating the security forces of the US government would leave it weakened against a mutant uprising and being attacked by a Sentinel (even if the Sentinel was only defending itself against security forces) would probably ensure that the Sentinel program as a whole gets scrapped. Both circumvent the Days of the Future Past, at least for that particular timeline.



    Remember that Nimrod will always do whatever is most likely to destroy all mutants, even if it means losing the tourney.

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  • SlagmireSlagmire Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Spectre-x wrote:
    I'm voting against Nimrod.

    Because of Karma.

    From when he somehow beat Zoom? Without any possibility being there of that happening?

    Wha-pow, it comes right back at him so hard he ceases to exist.

    Trust me, it's science.

    Science.

    Karma's now science, huh?

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  • The_LightbringerThe_Lightbringer Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    robosagogo wrote:
    Majidah wrote:
    The nuke scenario is pretty unlikely. Los Alamos isn't a nuclear lanuch facility, it's more of a nuclear repair and R&D facillity. They don't have nukes lying around armed ready to go off. Besides Doom never said the place was cleared, I'm pretty sure the security forces aren't just gonna let either contestant waltz into a lab and set off a nuke (assuming they even knew how to make it go).

    I think TM's only chance is his grim logic attack.

    ps. Does anyone but me see that Doom has set up the bracket to virtually garuntee himself a final two slot? Now that's what I call genius-level intellect.

    That's what I was thinking too. If it's staffed, they'll sooner go after Nimrod than Taskmaster, especially since he has an image inducer. Eventually everyone who is deployable would go after Nimrod.

    Nimrod would himself have to self-destruct because decimating the security forces of the US government would leave it weakened against a mutant uprising and being attacked by a Sentinel (even if the Sentinel was only defending itself against security forces) would probably ensure that the Sentinel program as a whole gets scrapped. Both circumvent the Days of the Future Past, at least for that particular timeline.



    Remember that Nimrod will always do whatever is most likely to destroy all mutants, even if it means losing the tourney.

    I doubt that small arms fire can hurt nimrod.

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  • Peeps ChickenPeeps Chicken Registered User regular
    edited January 2007
    Marathon wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    I'm voting against Nimrod.

    Because of Karma.

    From when he somehow beat Zoom? Without any possibility being there of that happening?

    Wha-pow, it comes right back at him so hard he ceases to exist.

    Trust me, it's science.

    Science.

    It's good to know you're not bitter. It would be a bit sad to carry a grudge like that for the better part of two months. Im proud to see your above that sort of childish behavior.

    You've been sniping at him nearly every time he posts, so that's a little bit of the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it?

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User
    edited January 2007
    robosagogo wrote:
    Majidah wrote:
    The nuke scenario is pretty unlikely. Los Alamos isn't a nuclear lanuch facility, it's more of a nuclear repair and R&D facillity. They don't have nukes lying around armed ready to go off. Besides Doom never said the place was cleared, I'm pretty sure the security forces aren't just gonna let either contestant waltz into a lab and set off a nuke (assuming they even knew how to make it go).

    I think TM's only chance is his grim logic attack.

    ps. Does anyone but me see that Doom has set up the bracket to virtually garuntee himself a final two slot? Now that's what I call genius-level intellect.

    That's what I was thinking too. If it's staffed, they'll sooner go after Nimrod than Taskmaster, especially since he has an image inducer. Eventually everyone who is deployable would go after Nimrod.

    Nimrod would himself have to self-destruct because decimating the security forces of the US government would leave it weakened against a mutant uprising and being attacked by a Sentinel (even if the Sentinel was only defending itself against security forces) would probably ensure that the Sentinel program as a whole gets scrapped. Both circumvent the Days of the Future Past, at least for that particular timeline.



    Remember that Nimrod will always do whatever is most likely to destroy all mutants, even if it means losing the tourney.

    I doubt that small arms fire can hurt nimrod.
    It's the comic book version of one of the most fiercely protected areas in the United States. They probably have more than guns. Even if they don't, someone with a rocket launcher and EMP weaponry is bound to helicopter in immediately.

    And eventually, they'll call in the Avengers.

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