If Bioware does some retarded thing, like make the Reapers, "Oh no, we're just trying to prevent the end of the universe! Stop getting in our way foolish mortals!" I'll be super pissed. Why can't the Reapers just be otherwordly mecha-ctulthu. They're suppose to have unfathomable goals, that's what you get from beings that are millions, if not billions of years old. What was the point of Soverign's 'we're so far beyond your comprehension etc' speech, if it was something stupid like trying to protect the galaxy?
My hope is simply that ME3 ends the Reaper threat for good, rather than having them live to fight another day, in a different game. The Mass Effect universe has tons to offer and I'm going to be more than a little annoyed if the Reapers are a recurring villain cropping up again and again.
My hope is simply that ME3 ends the Reaper threat for good, rather than having them live to fight another day, in a different game. The Mass Effect universe has tons to offer and I'm going to be more than a little annoyed if the Reapers are a recurring villain cropping up again and again.
I agree, I'm just not sure what you could do to the Reapers to get rid of them for good. The only thing I can think of off hand is somehow lock them faaarrr away in another part of the universe through Mass Relay/blackhole/wormhole SCIENCE! and get rid of any Mass Relays they could use to come back, so their only option is to fly back, taking who knows how many thousands of years.
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Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
This theory has been advocated before, but I do think it's going to end up being the right one. Basically the Reapers were originally an organic race that accelerated its own evolution by integrating into machines (basically what happened to humans in ME2 but they did it voluntarily-either because of disease/natural catastrophe or because they genuinely believed it to be the best course of action).
They get really full of themselves and think "Why wouldn't other races want this form of existence?" Additionally, they can only further themselves by integrating other species via Reaper creation. As such they genuinely believe they're doing "chosen" species a huge favor (ie salvation from death).
This is the correct interpretation
I don't understand why anyone really thinks different
My hope is simply that ME3 ends the Reaper threat for good, rather than having them live to fight another day, in a different game. The Mass Effect universe has tons to offer and I'm going to be more than a little annoyed if the Reapers are a recurring villain cropping up again and again.
I agree, I'm just not sure what you could do to the Reapers to get rid of them for good. The only thing I can think of off hand is somehow lock them faaarrr away in another part of the universe through Mass Relay/blackhole/wormhole SCIENCE! and get rid of any Mass Relays they could use to come back, so their only option is to fly back, taking who knows how many thousands of years.
They're part computer
Maybe we'll pull an Independence Day on their ass and upload a supervirus the Geth developed
My hope is simply that ME3 ends the Reaper threat for good, rather than having them live to fight another day, in a different game. The Mass Effect universe has tons to offer and I'm going to be more than a little annoyed if the Reapers are a recurring villain cropping up again and again.
I agree, I'm just not sure what you could do to the Reapers to get rid of them for good. The only thing I can think of off hand is somehow lock them faaarrr away in another part of the universe through Mass Relay/blackhole/wormhole SCIENCE! and get rid of any Mass Relays they could use to come back, so their only option is to fly back, taking who knows how many thousands of years.
They're part computer
Maybe we'll pull an Independence Day on their ass and upload a supervirus the Geth developed
That would be pretty sweet
And make the unimportant races look extra unimportant
It's okay because Geth rule
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NEO|PhyteThey follow the stars, bound together.Strands in a braid till the end.Registered Userregular
This theory has been advocated before, but I do think it's going to end up being the right one. Basically the Reapers were originally an organic race that accelerated its own evolution by integrating into machines (basically what happened to humans in ME2 but they did it voluntarily-either because of disease/natural catastrophe or because they genuinely believed it to be the best course of action).
They get really full of themselves and think "Why wouldn't other races want this form of existence?" Additionally, they can only further themselves by integrating other species via Reaper creation. As such they genuinely believe they're doing "chosen" species a huge favor (ie salvation from death).
This is the correct interpretation
I don't understand why anyone really thinks different
I'd say the fact that Sovereign made no mention of that crap, preferring to be a straight-up space cthulhu.
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i can see the "salvation through destruction" stuff painting the reapers as some kind of overzealous transcendentalists who assimilated their entire species into one being to reach enlightenment or some shit
like the geth dyson sphere
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Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
This theory has been advocated before, but I do think it's going to end up being the right one. Basically the Reapers were originally an organic race that accelerated its own evolution by integrating into machines (basically what happened to humans in ME2 but they did it voluntarily-either because of disease/natural catastrophe or because they genuinely believed it to be the best course of action).
They get really full of themselves and think "Why wouldn't other races want this form of existence?" Additionally, they can only further themselves by integrating other species via Reaper creation. As such they genuinely believe they're doing "chosen" species a huge favor (ie salvation from death).
This is the correct interpretation
I don't understand why anyone really thinks different
I'd say the fact that Sovereign made no mention of that crap, preferring to be a straight-up space cthulhu.
Sovereign had more important things to do than talk to insects
It wasn't until he got blowed the eff up that the Reapers realized that humanity would make a worthy addition to the Reaper fleet and that's when the Collectors showed up and Harbinger started to make mention of "salvation" and shit
Use the combined Alliance/Council fleet to lure the Reapers to a star,
Quest fetch all over the galaxy as Shepard, evading/engaging Reapers to collect enough dark energy,
Collapse the star,
Jump out and let the Reapers get sucked into a blackhole.
Sure, it's Deus Exy, but at least it makes sense. I don't care how many millions of years of evolution you have, I've yet to hear of anything that can withstand THIS:
This theory has been advocated before, but I do think it's going to end up being the right one. Basically the Reapers were originally an organic race that accelerated its own evolution by integrating into machines (basically what happened to humans in ME2 but they did it voluntarily-either because of disease/natural catastrophe or because they genuinely believed it to be the best course of action).
They get really full of themselves and think "Why wouldn't other races want this form of existence?" Additionally, they can only further themselves by integrating other species via Reaper creation. As such they genuinely believe they're doing "chosen" species a huge favor (ie salvation from death).
This is the correct interpretation
I don't understand why anyone really thinks different
I'd say the fact that Sovereign made no mention of that crap, preferring to be a straight-up space cthulhu.
Sovereign had more important things to do than talk to insects
It wasn't until he got blowed the eff up that the Reapers realized that humanity would make a worthy addition to the Reaper fleet and that's when the Collectors showed up and Harbinger started to make mention of "salvation" and shit
Them only deciding to add us to the Reaper fleet after we killsplode Sovereign doesn't mesh with the supposed idea that they're doing this for the good of organic species. Surely if being a reaper was all that, they'd do it to EVERYONE, not just people who blow them up?
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Black holes aren't that big. The bigger ones actually have a weaker gravitational pool until you are very close to the center. They wouldn't teleport into the middle of the sun so they would probably be a decent distance from the black hole.
When you read about black holes, you would have read about something called the event horizon. That is the point from which light can no longer escape from the black hole. Nobody knows as to what really happens inside the event horizon. One needs to have a theory on quantum gravity to explain that. Classically, matter collapses to a point, called a singularity (infinite density), but what really happens is not known.
When astronomers refer to the "size" of the black hole, they are talking about the event horizon. The event horizon is refers to the location from the black hole where the escape velocity equals the speed of light. In other words, no particle (even light) can escape from within the event horizon.
Mathematically, the size of the black hole is given by GM/c2 where G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass of the black hole and c is the speed of light. So, when one says that the black hole has a size of 5 km, it means that the event horizon is at a distance of 5 km from the center of the black hole. If the Sun were to become a black hole, then its size would be about 3 km.
Even assuming a really huge star, they aren't going to be close enough to the event horizon that they can't just use their space magic to go fast enough to escape the black hole.
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NEO|PhyteThey follow the stars, bound together.Strands in a braid till the end.Registered Userregular
Black holes aren't that big. The bigger ones actually have a weaker gravitational pool until you are very close to the center. They wouldn't teleport into the middle of the sun so they would probably be a decent distance from the black hole.
When you read about black holes, you would have read about something called the event horizon. That is the point from which light can no longer escape from the black hole. Nobody knows as to what really happens inside the event horizon. One needs to have a theory on quantum gravity to explain that. Classically, matter collapses to a point, called a singularity (infinite density), but what really happens is not known.
When astronomers refer to the "size" of the black hole, they are talking about the event horizon. The event horizon is refers to the location from the black hole where the escape velocity equals the speed of light. In other words, no particle (even light) can escape from within the event horizon.
Mathematically, the size of the black hole is given by GM/c2 where G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass of the black hole and c is the speed of light. So, when one says that the black hole has a size of 5 km, it means that the event horizon is at a distance of 5 km from the center of the black hole. If the Sun were to become a black hole, then its size would be about 3 km.
Even assuming a really huge star, they aren't going to be close enough to the event horizon that they can't just use their space magic to go fast enough to escape the black hole.
clearly Dark Matter makes black holes with massive event horizons :V
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This theory has been advocated before, but I do think it's going to end up being the right one. Basically the Reapers were originally an organic race that accelerated its own evolution by integrating into machines (basically what happened to humans in ME2 but they did it voluntarily-either because of disease/natural catastrophe or because they genuinely believed it to be the best course of action).
They get really full of themselves and think "Why wouldn't other races want this form of existence?" Additionally, they can only further themselves by integrating other species via Reaper creation. As such they genuinely believe they're doing "chosen" species a huge favor (ie salvation from death).
This is the correct interpretation
I don't understand why anyone really thinks different
I'd say the fact that Sovereign made no mention of that crap, preferring to be a straight-up space cthulhu.
Sovereign had more important things to do than talk to insects
It wasn't until he got blowed the eff up that the Reapers realized that humanity would make a worthy addition to the Reaper fleet and that's when the Collectors showed up and Harbinger started to make mention of "salvation" and shit
Them only deciding to add us to the Reaper fleet after we killsplode Sovereign doesn't mesh with the supposed idea that they're doing this for the good of organic species. Surely if being a reaper was all that, they'd do it to EVERYONE, not just people who blow them up?
I'm sure they've come to believe that Reaperizing every species is not a worthwhile endeavor
Why else would they railroad everyone down the same technological road and raise them up only to smack them down again?
They're testing them to see which of them is worthy of salvation
clearly Dark Matter makes black holes with massive event horizons :V
But dark matter is just regular matter that we can't see easily.
Additionally, data from a number of lines of evidence, including galaxy rotation curves, gravitational lensing, structure formation, and the fraction of baryons in clusters and the cluster abundance combined with independent evidence for the baryon density, indicate that 85-90% of the mass in the universe does not interact with the electromagnetic force. This "nonbaryonic dark matter" is evident through its gravitational effect. At present, the most common view is that dark matter is primarily non-baryonic, made of one or more elementary particles other than the usual electrons, protons, neutrons, and known neutrinos. The most commonly proposed particles are axions, sterile neutrinos, and WIMPs (Weakly Interacting Massive Particles, including neutralinos).
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Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
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Also the one plot point I'm curious about is Tali's research
I can't figure out what the star collapsing means
Is it the Reapers pulling out trump card? Is it some sort of natural disaster or is it man-made, so to speak?
...Christ I hope the Reapers aren't doing all this just to take all the cool species out of the galaxy before it blows up. That would be way dumb
Why else would they railroad everyone down the same technological road and raise them up only to smack them down again?
Because it is a pain in the ass when they go off the rails and use some weird alien technology that the reapers can't easily manipulate against the people railroaded.
This theory has been advocated before, but I do think it's going to end up being the right one. Basically the Reapers were originally an organic race that accelerated its own evolution by integrating into machines (basically what happened to humans in ME2 but they did it voluntarily-either because of disease/natural catastrophe or because they genuinely believed it to be the best course of action).
They get really full of themselves and think "Why wouldn't other races want this form of existence?" Additionally, they can only further themselves by integrating other species via Reaper creation. As such they genuinely believe they're doing "chosen" species a huge favor (ie salvation from death).
This is the correct interpretation
I don't understand why anyone really thinks different
I'd say the fact that Sovereign made no mention of that crap, preferring to be a straight-up space cthulhu.
Sovereign had more important things to do than talk to insects
It wasn't until he got blowed the eff up that the Reapers realized that humanity would make a worthy addition to the Reaper fleet and that's when the Collectors showed up and Harbinger started to make mention of "salvation" and shit
Them only deciding to add us to the Reaper fleet after we killsplode Sovereign doesn't mesh with the supposed idea that they're doing this for the good of organic species. Surely if being a reaper was all that, they'd do it to EVERYONE, not just people who blow them up?
I'm sure they've come to believe that Reaperizing every species is not a worthwhile endeavor
Why else would they railroad everyone down the same technological road and raise them up only to smack them down again?
They're testing them to see which of them is worthy of salvation
There's always gonna be a few that aren't
My money is on the collectors making a new reaper to give the Citadel another round of tentacle raping to get the relay open, regardless of what their 'true' purpose is in the whole galactic purge thing. Shepard gets spaced to cover up for the embarrassment of Sovereign getting killed after his whole "we always have been, and always will be" stuff.
Of course, then Cerberus has to go and manage to not completely fuck up a project, and the reapers get their plan b destroyed.
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Use the combined Alliance/Council fleet to lure the Reapers to a star,
Quest fetch all over the galaxy as Shepard, evading/engaging Reapers to collect enough dark energy,
Collapse the star,
Jump out and let the Reapers get sucked into a blackhole.
Sure, it's Deus Exy, but at least it makes sense. I don't care how many millions of years of evolution you have, I've yet to hear of anything that can withstand THIS:
See, it's not a Deus Ex Machina when done that way. It's just a McGuffin, which is common and neither good nor bad in and of itself. If it's projected from the beginning and the protagonist is working for the entire game/movie/novel towards it, no worries.
clearly Dark Matter makes black holes with massive event horizons :V
But dark matter is just regular matter that we can't see easily.
Additionally, data from a number of lines of evidence, including galaxy rotation curves, gravitational lensing, structure formation, and the fraction of baryons in clusters and the cluster abundance combined with independent evidence for the baryon density, indicate that 85-90% of the mass in the universe does not interact with the electromagnetic force. This "nonbaryonic dark matter" is evident through its gravitational effect. At present, the most common view is that dark matter is primarily non-baryonic, made of one or more elementary particles other than the usual electrons, protons, neutrons, and known neutrinos. The most commonly proposed particles are axions, sterile neutrinos, and WIMPs (Weakly Interacting Massive Particles, including neutralinos).
You're thinking too hard. Dark energy is pretty clearly SCIENCE! for Mass Effect.
Use the combined Alliance/Council fleet to lure the Reapers to a star,
Quest fetch all over the galaxy as Shepard, evading/engaging Reapers to collect enough dark energy,
Collapse the star,
Jump out and let the Reapers get sucked into a blackhole.
Sure, it's Deus Exy, but at least it makes sense. I don't care how many millions of years of evolution you have, I've yet to hear of anything that can withstand THIS:
See, it's not a Deus Ex Machina when done that way. It's just a McGuffin, which is common and neither good nor bad in and of itself. If it's projected from the beginning and the protagonist is working for the entire game/movie/novel towards it, no worries.
clearly Dark Matter makes black holes with massive event horizons :V
But dark matter is just regular matter that we can't see easily.
Additionally, data from a number of lines of evidence, including galaxy rotation curves, gravitational lensing, structure formation, and the fraction of baryons in clusters and the cluster abundance combined with independent evidence for the baryon density, indicate that 85-90% of the mass in the universe does not interact with the electromagnetic force. This "nonbaryonic dark matter" is evident through its gravitational effect. At present, the most common view is that dark matter is primarily non-baryonic, made of one or more elementary particles other than the usual electrons, protons, neutrons, and known neutrinos. The most commonly proposed particles are axions, sterile neutrinos, and WIMPs (Weakly Interacting Massive Particles, including neutralinos).
You're thinking too hard. Dark energy is pretty clearly SCIENCE! for Mass Effect.
Yeah, dark energy or dark matter can do whatever the Mass Effect writers want it to do. If they want it to defeat the Reapers, that is what it will do.
And I don't know about anyone else, but, I'd love to see the entire Reaper fleet get pulled into a supermassive black hole just as the Normandy jumps to FTL. All while some kickass music blares in the background.
Dark energy is basically a cosmic joke in that Einstein's idea of a long-range repulsive force might actually be needed to explain reality.
Of course, it's incredibly weak - but it might be increasing, meaning one of the doomsday scenarios for the universe is "the Big Rip" where everything is torn apart (human cell structure has sufficient tensile strength to survive up until about 5 minutes from this moment...of course you'd probably be in agonizing pain as your body tries to tear itself apart on the cellular scale).
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no such luck
If her name is Eyebrows.
as in
NO YOU DON'T GET TO QUESTION WHY I STEP UPON YOU, BUG
makes defeating them all the sweeter
HOLY SHIT
it would be awesome if the reapers were not actually from our galaxy
and the milky way is just ONE of the galaxies in a rotation that they farm
cmon bioware make em evil
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I agree, I'm just not sure what you could do to the Reapers to get rid of them for good. The only thing I can think of off hand is somehow lock them faaarrr away in another part of the universe through Mass Relay/blackhole/wormhole SCIENCE! and get rid of any Mass Relays they could use to come back, so their only option is to fly back, taking who knows how many thousands of years.
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This is the correct interpretation
I don't understand why anyone really thinks different
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They're part computer
Maybe we'll pull an Independence Day on their ass and upload a supervirus the Geth developed
That would be pretty sweet
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And make the unimportant races look extra unimportant
It's okay because Geth rule
I'd say the fact that Sovereign made no mention of that crap, preferring to be a straight-up space cthulhu.
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
like the geth dyson sphere
Sovereign had more important things to do than talk to insects
It wasn't until he got blowed the eff up that the Reapers realized that humanity would make a worthy addition to the Reaper fleet and that's when the Collectors showed up and Harbinger started to make mention of "salvation" and shit
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Use the combined Alliance/Council fleet to lure the Reapers to a star,
Quest fetch all over the galaxy as Shepard, evading/engaging Reapers to collect enough dark energy,
Collapse the star,
Jump out and let the Reapers get sucked into a blackhole.
Sure, it's Deus Exy, but at least it makes sense. I don't care how many millions of years of evolution you have, I've yet to hear of anything that can withstand THIS:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13166-biggest-black-hole-in-the-cosmos-discovered.html
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Must be a pretty sweet deal for the reapers this time around though, they can add the heretics and one of many diverse organics.
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=160 Even assuming a really huge star, they aren't going to be close enough to the event horizon that they can't just use their space magic to go fast enough to escape the black hole.
clearly Dark Matter makes black holes with massive event horizons :V
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I'm sure they've come to believe that Reaperizing every species is not a worthwhile endeavor
Why else would they railroad everyone down the same technological road and raise them up only to smack them down again?
They're testing them to see which of them is worthy of salvation
There's always gonna be a few that aren't
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I can't figure out what the star collapsing means
Is it the Reapers pulling out trump card? Is it some sort of natural disaster or is it man-made, so to speak?
...Christ I hope the Reapers aren't doing all this just to take all the cool species out of the galaxy before it blows up. That would be way dumb
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now the gods want to convert us into immortals
suck it, turians
you know
obviously the reapers think black holes ain't no thang
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Basically!
Humanity totally rules all the time
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He will still keep humans first.
One of his tendrils is clutching a cigarette the size of a small freighter.
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My money is on the collectors making a new reaper to give the Citadel another round of tentacle raping to get the relay open, regardless of what their 'true' purpose is in the whole galactic purge thing. Shepard gets spaced to cover up for the embarrassment of Sovereign getting killed after his whole "we always have been, and always will be" stuff.
Of course, then Cerberus has to go and manage to not completely fuck up a project, and the reapers get their plan b destroyed.
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See, it's not a Deus Ex Machina when done that way. It's just a McGuffin, which is common and neither good nor bad in and of itself. If it's projected from the beginning and the protagonist is working for the entire game/movie/novel towards it, no worries.
You're thinking too hard. Dark energy is pretty clearly SCIENCE! for Mass Effect.
the only sun suitable for this purpose ..
is SOL!
*dramatic trumpet*
That'd be a hell of a choice. Destroy humanity to destroy the Reapers, or......
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The rest of the galaxy is going to owe us. Big time.
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Yeah, dark energy or dark matter can do whatever the Mass Effect writers want it to do. If they want it to defeat the Reapers, that is what it will do.
And I don't know about anyone else, but, I'd love to see the entire Reaper fleet get pulled into a supermassive black hole just as the Normandy jumps to FTL. All while some kickass music blares in the background.
Dark energy is basically a cosmic joke in that Einstein's idea of a long-range repulsive force might actually be needed to explain reality.
Of course, it's incredibly weak - but it might be increasing, meaning one of the doomsday scenarios for the universe is "the Big Rip" where everything is torn apart (human cell structure has sufficient tensile strength to survive up until about 5 minutes from this moment...of course you'd probably be in agonizing pain as your body tries to tear itself apart on the cellular scale).
Edit: And why do my teammates keep switching sides on the power wheel?