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Batman has always been getting modernized costumes, though.
It just seems like it's all character dependent. Superman and Wonder Woman are these classic, legendary heroes with very bright-and-defined ideals that shine like their costumes. They bring their essentially base, tried-and-true moral standards to all eras. Comparable to Captain America on the Marvel side of things; except he's a literal man-out-of-time, representing a past time of good-vs-evil in a modern world of greys.
Batman is whatever the era defines him as (and in a way, the political culture of the era itself). The cowl, cape, and chest symbol are almost always there. The color scheme is usually, but not always, the same or similar. But the design constantly fluxes. Comparable to Iron Man on the Marvel side; always changing with the tech and the politics.
It's hard to think of examples beyond those. Pretty much every other Marvel and DC character I can think of has received frequent subtle changes to their costumes over the years. I can't even think of any other characters with Iconic designs that have never changed over the years at all, baring the JSA.
I think the difference is that the majority of things tied to the Batman franchise aren't terrible. Batman has things of quality to be enjoyed and fall back on. Wonder Woman... I'm pretty sure has never been good.
She started out as an excuse to make bondage comics, then became a source of merchandising revenue based solely on "She's a girl superhero!" and DC just kind of stuck with it. I've never heard anyone say any Wonder Woman comic described as being in the same league as even middle-range Superman and Batman stories.
There's always Linda Carter, but that's camp appeal. Nobody is going to use Adam West as genuine evidence to back Batman's greatness. (I would, but I lend a certain amount of credit to "Does it make me laugh?") Linda Carter IS Wonder Woman to mainstream audiences still. The character certainly has no Micheal Keaton or Christian Bale or even a good cartoon. WAIT!...
I will say this. The Wonder Woman direct-to-DVD movie kicked ass and I am genuinely disappointed to hear there will be no sequel. What's with that?
I think it's just a bad sign that the biggest news stories of the two characters in ten years was one being one of the highest grossing movies ever, and the other being a cosmetic change to their outfit.
Poor sales, as always. I'm just glad they got it in there before the top brass told them to stick to the cash cows.
That kind of counts for a WW and GL sequel?
Oh well. It doesn't matter.
Sigh.
There's also the general, "crushing the hero underneath the boot heel of reality," thing that keeps happening in comics, but the story is separated enough that I can pretend these characters and this story didn't happen.
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Hey, Guardian Devil would like to speak to you.
Although honestly that's the only Kevin Smith comic I've ever read. But it was still damn good.
or spider-man/black cat
or green arrow: quiver
they are all not good
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When you reference Nocenti's DD run and do it like you actually read the run, you get a thumbs up.
Is Widening Gyre supposed to be in continuity though?
and name any other recent run of daredevil that would ever have something like this happen
What now, TLB?
edit: Kesel and Kelly's DD run was so good, such a much needed upbeat era. Deuce the Devil Dog! Cary Nord drawing Ben Reilly hanging out with DD because he offered him a chili dog!
I'm talking like 1998 on
Matt has to go to court to sue DD!
you have to turn in your gun, here
this is your fault, Cameron Stewart
I use it to get results
What a waste.
Maybe they pay better, or he really really likes the game. I wouldn't blame him.
Jeanty is kind of in the company of giants for this mini. And even with being the weaker artist, it's SUPER RUSHED. If he had time, I think he'd be able to at least make it up to snuff, but he didn't.
and it's too bad too. Because this issue was great otherwise
Ok, so the art was crap. The plot, man. Anything as cool as the Archivist Scenes in #2?
The Orion stuff you were talking about makes another appearance.
I'm pretty optimistic for that book, actually. Karl Kerschl and Cameron Stewart making it? I'm there
There's no depth to anything. The perspective in that is awful.
Or where Batman throws the 'rangs at the four dudes on the street. I know what he was going for, but it's just stiff. There's no implied motion or anything. It shows the batarangs on his belt and then batarangs in their arms (apparently exploding blood).
Also somewhere along the way Batman just ditched his utility belt for some reason (which is a pretty big deal since it's the only thing he brought from the future).
Part of it's the coloring, for sure. It's flat, and there are a lot of panels that change hair colors and stuff. But it was definitely rushed and nowhere near the standard set by every other artist on the series.
Honestly, it was serviceable. Yeah, could've been better, but the colouring made up for a lot. I don't entirely understand how Gotham got to be a frontier town-maybe we were on the outskirts of the city limits?
It was a little tiring to have two evil, vaguely supernatural characters vying for space in this comic. Especially when the Doctor did so little.
I wonder what Savage ever did about his cancer.