And Robos, there was an actual storyline reason that the team was pulled back together in the first arc. Also, these characters, minus Hawk and Dove, are close friends who WANT to work together. You're making it sound like they just randomly threw the group together. There's a history here.
My complaint is that there doesn't seem to be anything they're doing, that other teams in the DCU aren't.
Like, I get the JLA. They're the team assembled to fight world-ending threats. The JSA are the guys that are training the new wave of legacy heroes, and are actually building a superhero city or something now? Dunno, I stopped reading it a while back. The Teen Titans are the young heroes (though I find that motivation pretty weak as well). The Doom Patrol are the strike force for an island nation filled with mad scientists.
The Birds are just a group of pals that decided to team up and fight crime. Which isn't a terribly great hook. Maybe they do have a larger, more defined purpose, but if they do, DC failed to promote that aspect when launching the series.
The team got back together because of a perceived threat to all of them. Oracle called her girl pals to alert them to the danger. And then they just kind of stuck together after that. Or something. I dropped it after the first arc but that's how the team came back together. For mutual protection.
TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
edited January 2011
Expect Dark Knight #2 to be delayed (again) any day now to boot. It's not really surprising though, and doesn't seem to be as integral to the bat-books right now, they could have waited until they had enough issues in the can and launched the book in the summer.
I generally don't care much for Batman, but find the people he surrounds himself with interesting.
I feel like he long ago stopped being a character, and started being a prop used to tell cool stories about one of his rogues, sidekicks, or associates. Even when Morrison gives him a romantic relationship, it just winds up being yet another way to have Bruce pull a, "I was totally prepared for this."
Of course he was prepared. Unsafe sex kills more people than The Joker.
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"Bruce?"
"Pam, 'sup baby?"
"Bruce, we need to talk."
"Look, if it's about that thing I took from your place--"
"Bruce, I-- I have poison oak."
"..."
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edited January 2011
I just don't like the way Morrison writes Batman. I think it's a combination of me not really giving a shit about the Golden Age, my irritation that Morrison is trying to make his villains seem significant, and how I just don't like Morrison's dynamic with continuity.
Him making everyone in Gotham dumber than your average Marvel citizen and writing a title called Batman and Robin that has neither Batman nor Robin is just icing to me not reading the book
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Bloods EndBlade of TyshallePunch dimensionRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
It had both a Robin and a Batman.
You are speaking nonsense words.
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Linespider5ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGERRegistered Userregular
edited January 2011
Not only did Batman and Robin have, ahem, Batman and Robin in it, it also has a Batman who was Robin in it. And a Robin who's the son of Batman.
Do I have to bring out the venn diagram on that one, or can you see that there's more Batman and Robin in Batman and Robin than any Batman and Robin book before?
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edited January 2011
That's like mirrors-facing-mirrors worth of Batman and Robin.
Wait, by the same logic, wasn't he upset that Jason Todd or Tim Drake were Robin as well?
Tim Drake was Robin, and then all of the sudden Dick decides "Nuh-uh I am the king of Robins!", and that whole sequence made no fucking sense and was a piece of shit. It was basically the flimsiest excuse to have Damien in the book. Who I am not a fan of, I may have mentioned that. Also not a fan of Dick pretending to be Batman, as Tim makes a hells of a lot more sense as Batman. But we've been over both of those before, I think, so I'll just drop it.
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edited January 2011
I know that eventually Tim will be Batman for reals, and he will rocks at it for great justice, and all will be right with the world. Until then, the dude abides.
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Wait, by the same logic, wasn't he upset that Jason Todd or Tim Drake were Robin as well?
Tim Drake was Robin, and then all of the sudden Dick decides "Nuh-uh I am the king of Robins!", and that whole sequence made no fucking sense and was a piece of shit. It was basically the flimsiest excuse to have Damien in the book. Who I am not a fan of, I may have mentioned that. Also not a fan of Dick pretending to be Batman, as Tim makes a hells of a lot more sense as Batman. But we've been over both of those before, I think, so I'll just drop it.
Having Tim become Red Robin was kind of flimsy, yes, but I believe that the rationalization for Damien-as-Robin was that he needed guidance before he followed the path laid out for him as a supervillain.
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Linespider5ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGERRegistered Userregular
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I'll even admit I was expecting Tim and Dick to be the new duo, in a more balanced but fluid way, rather than Batman The Tank and Robin The Scout, like it's generally been. (Dick and Damien, um...the Scout and the Spy? Anyway) There were some very real issues that had to be addressed in the shakeup.
1- It would've been weird if everybody else got new costumes/identities and Tim just kept being Robin
2- Giving Tim a brand new identity would probably be too much work, story-wise and design wise, and probably wouldn't have worked anyway.
3- Red Robin in itself isn't a bad idea, it just hasn't been used well, pretty much until Tim put on the suit. And now that someone with a stronger identity than the suit itself is in there, we can finally redesign it.
Does the Red Robin name predate the restaurant franchise, or did Alex Ross really name a character after a burger joint?
In any case, I'd rather he be given a new identity.
Back in the 90's (leather jacket and ear ring) Superboy series, there were future scenes that had Tim becoming a character named Red Robin, but with a different costume. I'll have to see if I can find the issue, but I think it pre-dated Kingdom Come and Alex Ross.
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How does a kryptonian get his ear pierced? Don't tell me Superboy was wearing a clip-on the whole time.
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Like, I get the JLA. They're the team assembled to fight world-ending threats. The JSA are the guys that are training the new wave of legacy heroes, and are actually building a superhero city or something now? Dunno, I stopped reading it a while back. The Teen Titans are the young heroes (though I find that motivation pretty weak as well). The Doom Patrol are the strike force for an island nation filled with mad scientists.
The Birds are just a group of pals that decided to team up and fight crime. Which isn't a terribly great hook. Maybe they do have a larger, more defined purpose, but if they do, DC failed to promote that aspect when launching the series.
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Or The Mighty Crusaders?
I'm so sick of team books. (Besides Thunder Agents)
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But you can always see Batwoman in DCU Online!
I feel like he long ago stopped being a character, and started being a prop used to tell cool stories about one of his rogues, sidekicks, or associates. Even when Morrison gives him a romantic relationship, it just winds up being yet another way to have Bruce pull a, "I was totally prepared for this."
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Of course he was prepared. Unsafe sex kills more people than The Joker.
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Five years ago, he made a sacred vow.
"Bruce?"
"Pam, 'sup baby?"
"Bruce, we need to talk."
"Look, if it's about that thing I took from your place--"
"Bruce, I-- I have poison oak."
"..."
"You may want to get yourself checked out." [klik]
"... Never again."
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shocking.
Him making everyone in Gotham dumber than your average Marvel citizen and writing a title called Batman and Robin that has neither Batman nor Robin is just icing to me not reading the book
You are speaking nonsense words.
Do I have to bring out the venn diagram on that one, or can you see that there's more Batman and Robin in Batman and Robin than any Batman and Robin book before?
Curse you, sexy Batman!
EVERYBODY WANTS TO SIT IN THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!
We're getting into some heavy Batmath here.
Tim Drake was Robin, and then all of the sudden Dick decides "Nuh-uh I am the king of Robins!", and that whole sequence made no fucking sense and was a piece of shit. It was basically the flimsiest excuse to have Damien in the book. Who I am not a fan of, I may have mentioned that. Also not a fan of Dick pretending to be Batman, as Tim makes a hells of a lot more sense as Batman. But we've been over both of those before, I think, so I'll just drop it.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Having Tim become Red Robin was kind of flimsy, yes, but I believe that the rationalization for Damien-as-Robin was that he needed guidance before he followed the path laid out for him as a supervillain.
1- It would've been weird if everybody else got new costumes/identities and Tim just kept being Robin
2- Giving Tim a brand new identity would probably be too much work, story-wise and design wise, and probably wouldn't have worked anyway.
3- Red Robin in itself isn't a bad idea, it just hasn't been used well, pretty much until Tim put on the suit. And now that someone with a stronger identity than the suit itself is in there, we can finally redesign it.
In any case, I'd rather he be given a new identity.
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After seeing Tim's costume in the last Red Robin, I'd be down for him taking the name Redwing.
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I had to look that up on urban dictionary.
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Did the same thing, cannot undo.
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Back in the 90's (leather jacket and ear ring) Superboy series, there were future scenes that had Tim becoming a character named Red Robin, but with a different costume. I'll have to see if I can find the issue, but I think it pre-dated Kingdom Come and Alex Ross.
Though the haircut always bugged me.