So over the weekend I figured "hell, I'll try WG again and see how it goes."
Yeah, Horde didn't even have a full raid, and we had a constant 5 tenacity. We get to Broken Temple to find nearly the whole Alliance group waiting for us.
Queue Prot Paladin PVP where I had literally multiple kills from one Hammer of the Righteous. Didn't help us win though, I don't think we even got a wall down.
I might have been in that same one. We had like 30 people, I was on my Prot Warrior. Had 80k health lol. I had some fun Doing Last Stand -> Shield Wall -> Health Regen skill and charging into a large group of people and destroying their healers.
I've been in a few on my priest where we had 15 stacks of tenacity. It was futile to try and win, but boy was it fun Dotting up 10+ people and being unkillable for 26 seconds.
I still find it funny that heroic modes in ICC are a bit easier than normal mode lich king for a lot of the fights.
Eh, there's only so much complexity you can add to a fight via the heroic toggle -- and since all of ICC is less complex than arthas, with the 30% buff in place any shifts in numbers are basically going from pathetically easy to pretty easy in terms of tuning while complexity is going from straightforward to a little tricky at best.
Out of all the pre-LK encounters I'd say the only one that gets significantly more complex is Lady Deathwhisper.
Yeah Lady Deathwhisper isn't no thing if you're used to her on 25 still even. But rage @ the LK still. I think the defile mechanic could've been better.
Maybe instead of growing exponentially it should remain the same size and do a pulsing tick void zone similar to KT's in naxx. Except it stays for the same length. This way you don't penalize the whole raid for when someone goes "oh shit" and then get stuck in it, and stuck in it, because it keeps growing, and stuck in it. And then it's a wipe because one person sneezed or something.
Rah.
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Almost level 78 on my Priest. Almost done with the pre-Cata main switch grind, yay.
Why would you switch mains now, at the end of progression raiding for this expansion and when we only have the most general idea of how classes are going to play in the next expansion?
And then it's a wipe because one person sneezed or something.
Rah.
Bring the player, not the class. Specifically the player without allergies.
What about small guilds that only have players with allergies? You're discriminating against small guilds now.
Unfortunately, the game cannot be balanced around both pollen/ragweed seasons, and players in the unfortunate situation of living with animals they're allergic to because of a spouse, roommate or parent's preference. You may recall our previous 'incident' with players that wanted to spin plates while raiding blackwing lair. We maintain that these encounters are for those players who are truly looking for a challenge, which means they put themselves into the best possible situation to beat them. Got get some shots for those allergies, you casual scrub.
So my other guild (that my Rogue and Paladin [strike]are[/strike] were in) finally started raiding again a week ago after succumbing to some pretty heavy drama about six months ago. I voice my interest, but the guild leader is pretty ambivalent towards bringing my well-geared Priest (who is my main and favorite character) in to heal, and wants me to play my Rogue, who is not well-geared and I honestly kind of suck at playing.
I then come to find out that my girlfriend, who was considering resubbing to help her guild (the one my Rogue and Paladin were in) out with their raiding, has been gkicked, and the leader and his co-leader wife strongly hinted that they don't want her back at all, and if she came back, she'd have to agree to some bullshit language policy that nobody else had to agree to.
Yeah, no. That shit doesn't truck with me.
Does your girlfriend talk like a salty sea dog or something?
I'll put it this way: she's rural British.
I'm not really sure what that means, as I'm from 'Merika, and the only thing we know about Britain for the most part is that we totally kicked their ass 250 years ago, lead by George Washington, driving a Dodge Charger. American engineering.
That said, sounds like you guys need to find a more laid back guild. (A conclusion I am sure you have already come to).
She doesn't pull any punches when she has an opinion on something is what I mean.
The guild was pretty laid back, it's just the current people in leadership are a couple of stuffy prudes, and their fuckup (like, real-life fuckup) relative was the leader for a long long time, which caused a lot of problems when anyone would rag on him a little. Like, he was a tank. A DK tank. He used the keyboard for moving and turning and that was it. Clicked everything else. Every time he said something in vent you could hear him maniacally clicking the mouse. We nicknamed him "Big Clicks." That got on his mother's (or aunt, I can't remember) nerves, and now that she's in charge, time for a language policy!
The lesson is more along the lines of "avoid joining a guild where most of the key leadership roles are filled by immediate family members and their close relatives."
sounds like it's time to gquit and everyone BUT the stupid family reform into a new guild. let them fill a raid with their inbred cousins.
Almost level 78 on my Priest. Almost done with the pre-Cata main switch grind, yay.
Why would you switch mains now, at the end of progression raiding for this expansion and when we only have the most general idea of how classes are going to play in the next expansion?
Just seems like an odd time
I think he means he's going to get to 78 on the priest so when Cata hits, he will start leveling the priest to 85 then to be his new main.
Almost level 78 on my Priest. Almost done with the pre-Cata main switch grind, yay.
Why would you switch mains now, at the end of progression raiding for this expansion and when we only have the most general idea of how classes are going to play in the next expansion?
Just seems like an odd time
I think he means he's going to get to 78 on the priest so when Cata hits, he will start leveling the priest to 85 then to be his new main.
This, except I am getting to 80 pre-Cata, so that when Cata drops, I am leveling to 85 as my new main (my Priest). I'm not actually going to go do progression raiding with him right now.
I did them entirely in dungeons after like half of dragonblight on my second character. for some reason i just have no desire to do wrath questing again
Hopefully the Wrath levels will speed up a bit, I hate them more than Outland now.
They've already sped up some. 77-78 is less than 1.7m, it used to be much closer to 2m. Levels didn't start taking more than 1.5m until after 75. It used to be quite a bit steeper than that.
So over the weekend I figured "hell, I'll try WG again and see how it goes."
Yeah, Horde didn't even have a full raid, and we had a constant 5 tenacity. We get to Broken Temple to find nearly the whole Alliance group waiting for us.
Queue Prot Paladin PVP where I had literally multiple kills from one Hammer of the Righteous. Didn't help us win though, I don't think we even got a wall down.
I might have been in that same one. We had like 30 people, I was on my Prot Warrior. Had 80k health lol. I had some fun Doing Last Stand -> Shield Wall -> Health Regen skill and charging into a large group of people and destroying their healers.
I've been in a few on my priest where we had 15 stacks of tenacity. It was futile to try and win, but boy was it fun Dotting up 10+ people and being unkillable for 26 seconds.
IIRC the one I was in was like 6 pm server on Sunday.
I took out my frustration on several small groups of Alliance. The ones who killed my siege engine all died far too quickly.
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That makes sense. It's not like 60-80 content will see much change.
Yah, and I have a level 30'ish Shaman who will be fully BoA'ed out that I will level through the mid-section of the new Azeroth, so I am already setup to experience the back-half of the new pre-60 content.
Hopefully the Wrath levels will speed up a bit, I hate them more than Outland now.
They've already sped up some. 77-78 is less than 1.7m, it used to be much closer to 2m. Levels didn't start taking more than 1.5m until after 75. It used to be quite a bit steeper than that.
Well the leveling design they've used is very efficient. However, the sheer amount of quests needed to be grinded out is insane. It doesn't outweigh the new efficiency. The design worked well in Outlands and I imagine it'll work well in vanilla, but the amount of exp needed is crazy.
I know for some people the game is to level alts, and for others it's to hit the level cap and raid, or do the same with alts. But really, the solution to people liking to level alts isn't to make the grind longer, it's to give them more characters to level.
Raaah.
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Hopefully the Wrath levels will speed up a bit, I hate them more than Outland now.
They've already sped up some. 77-78 is less than 1.7m, it used to be much closer to 2m. Levels didn't start taking more than 1.5m until after 75. It used to be quite a bit steeper than that.
Well the leveling design they've used is very efficient. However, the sheer amount of quests needed to be grinded out is insane. It doesn't outweigh the new efficiency. The design worked well in Outlands and I imagine it'll work well in vanilla, but the amount of exp needed is crazy.
I know for some people the game is to level alts, and for others it's to hit the level cap and raid, or do the same with alts. But really, the solution to people liking to level alts isn't to make the grind longer, it's to give them more characters to level.
Raaah.
I heart leveling alts, and I can't wait for Cataclysm.
I have all the heirlooms I need for the worgen I'm making, so I don't really know what to do in game anymore. I also don't want to think about how many badges I've spent on heirloom gear (cloth chest/shoulders, leather melee chest/shoulders, leather caster chest/shoulders, mail melee shoulders, caster staff, 2H mace, the bow, two daggers, two caster trinkets, two melee trinkets).
At this point in the game I'm just...waiting. Super fun. Glad SC2 is releasing tonight.
But Sholozar is such a good zone to quest in! You should really just get one quest called "Kill Everything" that rewards 1 level's worth of exp, since that's pretty much what the zone is. Collect quests, turn off brain, kill stuff. I always looked forward to STV and Nagrand for the same reason, just the perfect thing after a crappy day of work.
So this weekend was fun times, I grabbed my new Warrior two crafted epics and jumped into heroics. (OK I actually was trying to specific queue for a few normals to replace the one green she still had, and accidentally ended up in heroic...oopsie) It ended up an enormous epeen (e-poon?) boost by the end though... I got the expected "LOLNICE 2K GS TANK THIS WILL BE INTERESTING" comments when zoning in, and by the end of most every run I received compliments and apologies. Warriors have such an amazing set of abilities to reduce incoming damage, it's insane.
I was in several heroics yesterday where the healer literally did nothing but cast circle of healing.
Probably NOT the situation, but I do stuff like that when I heal heroics on my main Priest.... "I wonder if I can heal this entire run using only Greater Heal 2?" It makes rankwatch freak out, it's fun.
Hard to play, but fucking amazing if you're good at it.
I think it appeals to me in the same way Priest healing appeals to me; Lots of buttons that are situational but absolutely perfect when the situation comes up.
Hard to play, but fucking amazing if you're good at it.
The funny thing is Warriors really aren't that hard to play (at least not for me after doing it for three years), it's just that Paladins are so brain dead easy to tank as, it makes Warriors seem hard to play.
Warrior tanking is extremely fun. It's the purest form of badassery.
<Angry demon/elemental/renegade something attacks with a roundhouse kick>
"Foolish fiend! Your ferocious foot was block with my shield!"
<Creature now shoots fire from it's mouth>
"Folly! You putrid fire was reflected back at you."
<Creature spits an acid that slowly eats your armor and health>
"Fear not! I shall transform my rage into a means of recovery!"
<Creature bends over a barrel after running out of attacks>
"That's right, take it deep...."
I just realized something, we can't really call Vanilla WoW vanilla once cata hits.
Sure we can. Vanilla WoW is the terrible WoW we had to tolerate for so many years if we wanted to level alts and it'll be gone.
But we are far more lolhardcore for enduring it. Uphill both ways barefoot in the snow is the only way!
Wasn't it awesome when flight paths weren't linked?
Oh yeah, flying from one flight point to another and then manually choosing the next one is great, especially on long flights. Casual noobs these days only know the watered down flight path system Blizzard has casualled up from their rectum.
Hard to play, but fucking amazing if you're good at it.
The funny thing is Warriors really aren't that hard to play (at least not for me after doing it for three years), it's just that Paladins are so brain dead easy to tank as, it makes Warriors seem hard to play.
Well, there are too many buttons to press.
There's 8 for a warrior to use in raiding.
There's 4 for paladins.
There's 2 for dks.
There's 1 for druids, depending on aoe or single target.
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Hahaha. Oh man.
I might have been in that same one. We had like 30 people, I was on my Prot Warrior. Had 80k health lol. I had some fun Doing Last Stand -> Shield Wall -> Health Regen skill and charging into a large group of people and destroying their healers.
I've been in a few on my priest where we had 15 stacks of tenacity. It was futile to try and win, but boy was it fun Dotting up 10+ people and being unkillable for 26 seconds.
YES. why was that not heirloomed + that flavor text?
Eh, there's only so much complexity you can add to a fight via the heroic toggle -- and since all of ICC is less complex than arthas, with the 30% buff in place any shifts in numbers are basically going from pathetically easy to pretty easy in terms of tuning while complexity is going from straightforward to a little tricky at best.
Out of all the pre-LK encounters I'd say the only one that gets significantly more complex is Lady Deathwhisper.
I keep saying, execution fights versus dps/heal races. The ICC buff does silly things.
Edit: Which is pretty similar to what Dehumanized just said too.
Probably because even though corporations may be callous amoral entities, they do have some taste.
Maybe instead of growing exponentially it should remain the same size and do a pulsing tick void zone similar to KT's in naxx. Except it stays for the same length. This way you don't penalize the whole raid for when someone goes "oh shit" and then get stuck in it, and stuck in it, because it keeps growing, and stuck in it. And then it's a wipe because one person sneezed or something.
Rah.
Bring the player, not the class. Specifically the player without allergies.
What about small guilds that only have players with allergies? You're discriminating against small guilds now.
I hope you're referring to making a joke about australians because that weapon model screams nothing but taste
Why would you switch mains now, at the end of progression raiding for this expansion and when we only have the most general idea of how classes are going to play in the next expansion?
Just seems like an odd time
Unfortunately, the game cannot be balanced around both pollen/ragweed seasons, and players in the unfortunate situation of living with animals they're allergic to because of a spouse, roommate or parent's preference. You may recall our previous 'incident' with players that wanted to spin plates while raiding blackwing lair. We maintain that these encounters are for those players who are truly looking for a challenge, which means they put themselves into the best possible situation to beat them. Got get some shots for those allergies, you casual scrub.
sounds like it's time to gquit and everyone BUT the stupid family reform into a new guild. let them fill a raid with their inbred cousins.
I think he means he's going to get to 78 on the priest so when Cata hits, he will start leveling the priest to 85 then to be his new main.
This, except I am getting to 80 pre-Cata, so that when Cata drops, I am leveling to 85 as my new main (my Priest). I'm not actually going to go do progression raiding with him right now.
They've already sped up some. 77-78 is less than 1.7m, it used to be much closer to 2m. Levels didn't start taking more than 1.5m until after 75. It used to be quite a bit steeper than that.
IIRC the one I was in was like 6 pm server on Sunday.
I took out my frustration on several small groups of Alliance. The ones who killed my siege engine all died far too quickly.
Yah, and I have a level 30'ish Shaman who will be fully BoA'ed out that I will level through the mid-section of the new Azeroth, so I am already setup to experience the back-half of the new pre-60 content.
Well the leveling design they've used is very efficient. However, the sheer amount of quests needed to be grinded out is insane. It doesn't outweigh the new efficiency. The design worked well in Outlands and I imagine it'll work well in vanilla, but the amount of exp needed is crazy.
I know for some people the game is to level alts, and for others it's to hit the level cap and raid, or do the same with alts. But really, the solution to people liking to level alts isn't to make the grind longer, it's to give them more characters to level.
Raaah.
I heart leveling alts, and I can't wait for Cataclysm.
I have all the heirlooms I need for the worgen I'm making, so I don't really know what to do in game anymore. I also don't want to think about how many badges I've spent on heirloom gear (cloth chest/shoulders, leather melee chest/shoulders, leather caster chest/shoulders, mail melee shoulders, caster staff, 2H mace, the bow, two daggers, two caster trinkets, two melee trinkets).
At this point in the game I'm just...waiting. Super fun. Glad SC2 is releasing tonight.
"Oh, a boss with two healers? Blizzard!"
Even the healers have gotten into it. I was in several heroics yesterday where the healer literally did nothing but cast circle of healing.
Well, that's the most effective way of doing heroics.
So this weekend was fun times, I grabbed my new Warrior two crafted epics and jumped into heroics. (OK I actually was trying to specific queue for a few normals to replace the one green she still had, and accidentally ended up in heroic...oopsie) It ended up an enormous epeen (e-poon?) boost by the end though... I got the expected "LOLNICE 2K GS TANK THIS WILL BE INTERESTING" comments when zoning in, and by the end of most every run I received compliments and apologies. Warriors have such an amazing set of abilities to reduce incoming damage, it's insane.
Probably NOT the situation, but I do stuff like that when I heal heroics on my main Priest.... "I wonder if I can heal this entire run using only Greater Heal 2?" It makes rankwatch freak out, it's fun.
Hard to play, but fucking amazing if you're good at it.
omg stop making ecxuses nob wtf lets kikc tis stupid warior an hope pally jons he can pull all istance at 1nce
Maybe we can call it Catachoco.
I think it appeals to me in the same way Priest healing appeals to me; Lots of buttons that are situational but absolutely perfect when the situation comes up.
The funny thing is Warriors really aren't that hard to play (at least not for me after doing it for three years), it's just that Paladins are so brain dead easy to tank as, it makes Warriors seem hard to play.
Sure we can. Vanilla WoW is the terrible WoW we had to tolerate for so many years if we wanted to level alts and it'll be gone.
But we are far more lolhardcore for enduring it. Uphill both ways barefoot in the snow is the only way!
Wasn't it awesome when flight paths weren't linked?
<Angry demon/elemental/renegade something attacks with a roundhouse kick>
"Foolish fiend! Your ferocious foot was block with my shield!"
<Creature now shoots fire from it's mouth>
"Folly! You putrid fire was reflected back at you."
<Creature spits an acid that slowly eats your armor and health>
"Fear not! I shall transform my rage into a means of recovery!"
<Creature bends over a barrel after running out of attacks>
"That's right, take it deep...."
Oh yeah, flying from one flight point to another and then manually choosing the next one is great, especially on long flights. Casual noobs these days only know the watered down flight path system Blizzard has casualled up from their rectum.
Well, there are too many buttons to press.
There's 8 for a warrior to use in raiding.
There's 4 for paladins.
There's 2 for dks.
There's 1 for druids, depending on aoe or single target.