I just realized something, we can't really call Vanilla WoW vanilla once cata hits.
Sure we can. Vanilla WoW is the terrible WoW we had to tolerate for so many years if we wanted to level alts and it'll be gone.
But we are far more lolhardcore for enduring it. Uphill both ways barefoot in the snow is the only way!
Wasn't it awesome when flight paths weren't linked?
Oh yeah, flying from one flight point to another and then manually choosing the next one is great, especially on long flights. Casual noobs these days only know the watered down flight path system Blizzard has casualled up from their rectum.
When you hit 40 and had to remember the correct path to get to the capital city to return a quest, and then back to the quest hub, or instance you got asked to do. Those were the days. Then if you were a mage you'd fall through the ground when you blinked. Or backwards (still happens).
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Ok, Warrior tanking is insanely hard compared to Druid and Paladin tanking.
Am I meant to be switching devastate targets? Shockwave/TC/Cleave don't seem to do much.
Generally speaking, I don't devastate a whole lot on AE packs. It's mostly pull > TC and position > shockwave, and then I tab target, cleave, revenge, shield slam, and then devastate when the others are down.
I also just abuse cleave in heroics. Glyph of cleave is great for this. Just have to make sure you're switching through so everybody's getting hit.
Hard to play, but fucking amazing if you're good at it.
The funny thing is Warriors really aren't that hard to play (at least not for me after doing it for three years), it's just that Paladins are so brain dead easy to tank as, it makes Warriors seem hard to play.
Well, there are too many buttons to press.
There's 8 for a warrior to use in raiding.
There's 4 for paladins.
There's 2 for dks.
There's 1 for druids, depending on aoe or single target.
Uhh, there are more than two buttons for a DK, if the player isn't a moron. There are at least six. I mean, I guess you could tank with just Icy Touch and Plague Strike, but I don't recommend it.
Hard to play, but fucking amazing if you're good at it.
The funny thing is Warriors really aren't that hard to play (at least not for me after doing it for three years), it's just that Paladins are so brain dead easy to tank as, it makes Warriors seem hard to play.
Well, there are too many buttons to press.
There's 8 for a warrior to use in raiding.
There's 4 for paladins.
There's 2 for dks.
There's 1 for druids, depending on aoe or single target.
Uhh, there are more than two buttons for a DK, if the player isn't a moron. There are at least six. I mean, I guess you could tank with just Icy Touch and Plague Strike, but I don't recommend it.
I know, but you could have a DK tank with two buttons on anything but progression.
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When I first started playing WoW (back when the only tanks were warriors and the only healers were priests), I used to run into terrible, terrible tanks all the time. When I finally ran into a good one and complimented him on it, he taught me the secret of successful warrior tanking: "Just bind all your keys to sunder armor, and bang your fists on the keyboard as hard as you can."
Three years and six keyboards later, that advice has always stood me in good stead.
I love a good warrior tank. For some reason it's a lot more viscerally impressive to see a warrior tank than a paladin/druid/DK. Tanking on my druid just seems so brainless in comparison (lolswipe.)
I should get back to leveling my warrior. Been sitting idle for like two years, but with the LFD system being what it is now, it'd be pretty easy to level while I learn to tank five mans.
edit: also yeah, for god's sake vigilance on the warlock
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When I first started playing WoW (back when the only tanks were warriors and the only healers were priests), I used to run into terrible, terrible tanks all the time. When I finally ran into a good one and complimented him on it, he taught me the secret of successful warrior tanking: "Just bind all your keys to sunder armor, and bang your fists on the keyboard as hard as you can."
Three years and six keyboards later, that advice has always stood me in good stead.
Except that now that would be just about the worst advice you could possibly give to a new warrior tank.
That or telling him to spam demoralizing shout for threat, I guess.
I don't know. I like easy. If I'm going to be enduring something for 3-4 hours I want the experience rather laid back and somewhat mindless. Why do you think people pick Pai in Virtua Fighter?
Yeah I really hope raiding in Cata doesn't go back to the "everyone stick their thumbs up their asses until the tank gets threat then we can actual fight" horseshit that was vanilla raiding.
Yeah I really hope raiding in Cata doesn't go back to the "everyone stick their thumbs up their asses until the tank gets threat then we can actual fight" horseshit that was vanilla raiding.
Dunno about raiding, but so far in 5mans tanks seem to have plenty of snap aggro - I do have to watch my aggro generation after that, but thats true in WotLK too.
yeah it was comical early on in molten core when there really wasnt ae tanking. waiting for each respective tank to build aggro and control it was hilarious as fuck for the dps. MANY WHELPS!
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Mmm, I rememebr my first character in WoW. Yggdrasil the Human Warrior. I offtanked as an Arms warrior in nothing but blues and greens all the way into BWL. All that raiding through MC and I never got a single piece of loot >.>
My Draconian Deflector was the shit though.
yeah it was comical early on in molten core when there really wasnt ae tanking. waiting for each respective tank to build aggro and control it was hilarious as fuck for the dps. MANY WHELPS!
Heh.
I have to say the biggest addon I am missing in dungeons in cata (other than my dot timers) is omen. I know you can see threat displayed in the base UI, but I'm so used to looking at the omen window to see whats going on.
Remember when everyone had to have omen installed for it to work right?
Hard to play, but fucking amazing if you're good at it.
The funny thing is Warriors really aren't that hard to play (at least not for me after doing it for three years), it's just that Paladins are so brain dead easy to tank as, it makes Warriors seem hard to play.
Well, there are too many buttons to press.
There's 8 for a warrior to use in raiding.
There's 4 for paladins.
There's 2 for dks.
There's 1 for druids, depending on aoe or single target.
Uhh, there are more than two buttons for a DK, if the player isn't a moron. There are at least six. I mean, I guess you could tank with just Icy Touch and Plague Strike, but I don't recommend it.
I know, but you could have a DK tank with two buttons on anything but progression.
Man, these voice files on MMO-Champ are pretty good.
Vol'jin is considering leaving the Horde over Angry Orc's lead.
That's kinda old actually
That's near the beginning IIRC. Thrall appears near the end of the Troll starting area and tells Vol'jin he has his reasons for putting Garrosh in charge and to trust him. Vol'jin is hesitant but says that he trusts Thrall.
Off the top of my head, I count 20 abilities I have bound and use regularly as a DK tank:
icy touch
plague strike
death strike
death and decay
blood boil
heart strike
icebound fortitude
vampiric embrace
hysteria
anti-magic shell
rune strike
raise ghoul
death pact
strangulate
chains of ice
mind freeze
death grip
dark command
empower rune weapon
horn of winter
What's with the hate on frost these days? I'm seeing a lot of references to blood as the tank spec now.
I love me some frost tanking in 5 mans; with Glyphed HB and BB you barely even need D&D in pugs. You're definitely much squishier than Blood for raids though. =/
Let's see, my tank spec has Runestrike bound to every RP generating attack. So there's one less button to hit. I mainly use IT, SS, Pest, then BS and HS and DnD on big pulls. I can think of 10 buttons, tops, I really use.
Off the top of my head, I count 20 abilities I have bound and use regularly as a DK tank:
icy touch
plague strike
death strike
death and decay
blood boil
heart strike
icebound fortitude
vampiric embrace
hysteria
anti-magic shell
rune strike
raise ghoul
death pact
strangulate
chains of ice
mind freeze
death grip
dark command
empower rune weapon
horn of winter
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Let's see, my tank spec has Runestrike bound to every RP generating attack. So there's one less button to hit. I mainly use IT, SS, Pest, then BS and HS and DnD on big pulls. I can think of 10 buttons, tops, I really use.
My paladin it's maybe half that.
Judgement, holy shield, SoR, HotR, Consecrate, avengers shield.
Hammer of Wrath on low health
Holy Wrath on undead.
Plus a lot more incidentals.
So 6-8 constantly used abilities for a prot pally and considerably more depending on the situation.
All the plate tanks use about the same amount of buttons for tanking.
Long story short this whole thing is dumb and everyone wants to be a unique snowflake that has it so hard.
Isn't threat decay going to start being a thing in cataclysm? A return to "wait for five sunders" seems unlikely.
They mentioned they were thinking about it, but I don't think they've really gone through with it yet? I could be wrong though.
Personally, I hate the idea. I can manage my threat without too much difficulty by maintaining a threat buffer between myself and the tank, but with fast threat decay, that goes out the window.
I mean sure, I guess it's technically its reasonable to expect the tank not to suck, but I liked being able to still function with a shit tank.
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Am I meant to be switching devastate targets? Shockwave/TC/Cleave don't seem to do much.
When you hit 40 and had to remember the correct path to get to the capital city to return a quest, and then back to the quest hub, or instance you got asked to do. Those were the days. Then if you were a mage you'd fall through the ground when you blinked. Or backwards (still happens).
See me, I'd much rather increase the complexity of the other classes than dumb down warriors.
Generally speaking, I don't devastate a whole lot on AE packs. It's mostly pull > TC and position > shockwave, and then I tab target, cleave, revenge, shield slam, and then devastate when the others are down.
I also just abuse cleave in heroics. Glyph of cleave is great for this. Just have to make sure you're switching through so everybody's getting hit.
Uhh, there are more than two buttons for a DK, if the player isn't a moron. There are at least six. I mean, I guess you could tank with just Icy Touch and Plague Strike, but I don't recommend it.
Put vigilance on the person doing the most AoE threat. Don't do it based on who's doing the most single target or dps.
For instance, a boomkin does significantly more AoE threat than a mage, but a mage may be kicking their ass in dps. And that rogue is lolthreat.
I know, but you could have a DK tank with two buttons on anything but progression.
Three years and six keyboards later, that advice has always stood me in good stead.
Vigilance the warlock. ALWAYS. GIVE IT TO ME.
I am a freaking nerd.
I should get back to leveling my warrior. Been sitting idle for like two years, but with the LFD system being what it is now, it'd be pretty easy to level while I learn to tank five mans.
edit: also yeah, for god's sake vigilance on the warlock
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Except that now that would be just about the worst advice you could possibly give to a new warrior tank.
That or telling him to spam demoralizing shout for threat, I guess.
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Think its possible in 6 hours?
Dunno about raiding, but so far in 5mans tanks seem to have plenty of snap aggro - I do have to watch my aggro generation after that, but thats true in WotLK too.
I am a freaking nerd.
My Draconian Deflector was the shit though.
Heh.
I have to say the biggest addon I am missing in dungeons in cata (other than my dot timers) is omen. I know you can see threat displayed in the base UI, but I'm so used to looking at the omen window to see whats going on.
Remember when everyone had to have omen installed for it to work right?
I am a freaking nerd.
No, not really.
You are gonna need at LEAST 4 even for loleroics.
That's kinda old actually
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I do not miss that.
I still use omen, though.
icy touch
plague strike
death strike
death and decay
blood boil
heart strike
icebound fortitude
vampiric embrace
hysteria
anti-magic shell
rune strike
raise ghoul
death pact
strangulate
chains of ice
mind freeze
death grip
dark command
empower rune weapon
horn of winter
Or. Icy Touch, Icy Touch, Rune Strike, dead.
Anyone who chooses more because "more buttons" and not "more utility" is silly.
I love me some frost tanking in 5 mans; with Glyphed HB and BB you barely even need D&D in pugs. You're definitely much squishier than Blood for raids though. =/
My paladin it's maybe half that.
Yeah, but who tanks Frost?
Me bitches.
I tanked Frost all the way to 80. I didn't even know what Rune Strike was till I dinged and reviewed my skills.
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that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
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Judgement, holy shield, SoR, HotR, Consecrate, avengers shield.
Hammer of Wrath on low health
Holy Wrath on undead.
Plus a lot more incidentals.
So 6-8 constantly used abilities for a prot pally and considerably more depending on the situation.
All the plate tanks use about the same amount of buttons for tanking.
Long story short this whole thing is dumb and everyone wants to be a unique snowflake that has it so hard.
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They mentioned they were thinking about it, but I don't think they've really gone through with it yet? I could be wrong though.
Personally, I hate the idea. I can manage my threat without too much difficulty by maintaining a threat buffer between myself and the tank, but with fast threat decay, that goes out the window.
I mean sure, I guess it's technically its reasonable to expect the tank not to suck, but I liked being able to still function with a shit tank.