PS3 20GB - Odd thing I found + Questions...

FatmanGames

I ran across a bit of a weird article by Chris Koller that seems contradictory. It gets a little clearer a ways down the page, about here:

Name: CK

Hi Guys,

I read the article and browsed through the responses. I recently purchased a PS3 20 GB edition, and wanted to connect my PSP.

Bottom line is, you can't use remote play with a 20 GB version and you never will be able to in the future even with a wifi router or usb wifi adapter.

I can say this with confidence because I talked to Sony asking this question. The PS3 acts as a server for the psp the exact same way two psp's talk to each other. This means and I need to emphasize this: "IT CAN ONLY COMMUNICATE ONE WAY" meaning from the ps3 to the psp and not the other way using the remote play feature.

That is the way the remote feature will work and always will work because that is the way it was designed.

So, question 1: Can anyone confirm this (like, has the hardware, or really knows)? Is that extra $100 paying for PSP to PS3 connectivity?

EDIT - Question 1a: Does this mean 20GB owners can't buy PS1 games for their PSPs?

Question 2: Are the card readers used for anything? Are they made redundant by the USB ports?

Wired vs. wireless networking is no biggie to me, I have both in my living room now. Card adapters don't seem like a big deal. I think I'm interested in the 20GB version of the machine.

Also, I don't presently own a PSP.

Never being able to connect 20GB to PSP is an oddity, and I can't figure out if it's important or not. On one hand, it means that the features are less likely to be developed or improved... it's not too many people that'll have the whole (and correct) "Sony Stack" of products.

On the other hand, how cheated would I feel not getting that synergy if I ever got a PSP??

Deusfaux

if true thats the biggest loss by going with the smaller unit

core tactic

Well eventually you can stream games and such so that the PSP acts as a screen, and you can play PS3/PS2/PS1 games and watch movies on your PS3 on your PSP.

Houk the Namebringer

core tactic wrote:

Well eventually you can stream games and such so that the PSP acts as a screen, and you can play PS3/PS2/PS1 games and watch movies on your PS3 on your PSP.

i think what he's saying, or asking, is that this might be possible only on the 'premium' system, not the 'core'.

FatmanGames

Yeah, I mean... I'm reading things like... you have to be physically connected via USB to the PS3 to do some stuff on the PSP, and so... I don't know where the line of demarcation really is here.



Basically, what can I do on the PSP + 20GB, and what do I need the 60GB model for?

None of the "marketing materials" really spell this out for me, and I'm reading some confusing articles.

core tactic

I thought that the premium was the only one with wifi? Or is that just for playing online and such, not for local stuff like the PSP?

Deusfaux

jesus christ thats what he's trying to figure out

FatmanGames

core tactic wrote:

I thought that the premium was the only one with wifi? Or is that just for playing online and such, not for local stuff like the PSP?

The premium has wi-fi, this is true.

HOWEVER, in a network, you can connect a wired and a wireless device together. "It just works", you see. My wireless laptop connects just fine to my wired desktop.

So, in my mind, the wi-fi built in to the 60GB is largely unimportant...

UNLESS there is some weird thing they're doing with the PSP, which I'm getting mixed signals on, based on what I'm reading. Hence the question.



Someone with the hardware... speak up, your input would be great.

jwalk

The answer is yes, you can't use Remote Play with the 20GB. That feature only works with the built-in wireless on the 60GB. Whether that's likely to change in the future, I don't know, but wouldn't bet on it.

You CAN still transfer PS1 games to the PSP with the 20GB via USB, in fact that's how you do it with either model, you hook up the PSP with a USB cable.

You can use a wireless bridge on the LAN port on the 20GB, but the PS3 just sees that as a wired connection, the remote play feature won't (currently) work via that.

In other words, if you have or plan to get a PSP, and can't live without the Remote Play feature then get the 60GB. (IMO, Remote Play is sort of dumb, it only works up to 30 feet away under the best of circumstances, and the PS3 is tied up while doing it - at least I think it is..)

Shadowfire

jwalk wrote:

The answer is yes, you can't use Remote Play with the 20GB. That feature only works with the built-in wireless on the 60GB. Whether that's likely to change in the future, I don't know, but wouldn't bet on it.

You CAN still transfer PS1 games to the PSP with the 20GB via USB, in fact that's how you do it with either model, you hook up the PSP with a USB cable.

You can use a wireless bridge on the LAN port on the 20GB, but the PS3 just sees that as a wired connection, the remote play feature won't (currently) work via that.

In other words, if you have or plan to get a PSP, and can't live without the Remote Play feature then get the 60GB. (IMO, Remote Play is sort of dumb, it only works up to 30 feet away under the best of circumstances, and the PS3 is tied up while doing it - at least I think it is..)

So the line that the PS3 20gig unit is fully upgradable is actually.. a lie?

Robo Beat

Shadowfire wrote:

jwalk wrote:

The answer is yes, you can't use Remote Play with the 20GB. That feature only works with the built-in wireless on the 60GB. Whether that's likely to change in the future, I don't know, but wouldn't bet on it.

You CAN still transfer PS1 games to the PSP with the 20GB via USB, in fact that's how you do it with either model, you hook up the PSP with a USB cable.

You can use a wireless bridge on the LAN port on the 20GB, but the PS3 just sees that as a wired connection, the remote play feature won't (currently) work via that.

In other words, if you have or plan to get a PSP, and can't live without the Remote Play feature then get the 60GB. (IMO, Remote Play is sort of dumb, it only works up to 30 feet away under the best of circumstances, and the PS3 is tied up while doing it - at least I think it is..)

So the line that the PS3 20gig unit is fully upgradable is actually.. a lie?

Wait, Sony lied about the capabilities of the PS3? Stop the presses.

Dirty

Okay, if I am right in assuming that all remote play does is allow you to use your PSP as a screen for your PS3, I don't see how its such a loss to not have that feature in the 20GB model. It really sounds like one of the most useless features I've ever heard of in a console. At least GBA>GCN connectivity offered some interesting play mechanics (Zelda: FSA).

Seriously, if all I miss out on is wifi (I don't play online), remote play (sounds retarded), and a 60GB hard drive (either way, its getting replaced with a 250GB+ HDD), then I consider the 20GB model $100 well saved.

Veevee

For my cousin, the part that put him over the top between the ps3 and the xbox360 was being able to use his PSP as a rear view mirror during ridge racer.

He got the Core version. Man am I going to laugh at him.

brynstar

Veevee wrote:

For my cousin, the part that put him over the top between the ps3 and the xbox360 was being able to use his PSP as a rear view mirror during ridge racer.

He got the Core version. Man am I going to laugh at him.

Plus, that rear view mirror thing has only been shown off in conjunction with the F1 game.

Smacky The Frog

brynstar wrote:

Veevee wrote:

For my cousin, the part that put him over the top between the ps3 and the xbox360 was being able to use his PSP as a rear view mirror during ridge racer.

He got the Core version. Man am I going to laugh at him.

Plus, that rear view mirror thing has only been shown off in conjunction with the F1 game.

...and it's retarded.

I'll have a PS3 in less than a week now and I'm still up in the air about which to get. I sold my PSP about a year ago, but it's possible that I'll get another. I don't need wi-fi right now, but I guess I might need it in the future. I'd like to save that $100 and grab a game or two, but I just don't know anymore.

OneEyedJack

Smacky The Frog wrote:

brynstar wrote:

Veevee wrote:

For my cousin, the part that put him over the top between the ps3 and the xbox360 was being able to use his PSP as a rear view mirror during ridge racer.

He got the Core version. Man am I going to laugh at him.

Plus, that rear view mirror thing has only been shown off in conjunction with the F1 game.

...and it's retarded.

I'll have a PS3 in less than a week now and I'm still up in the air about which to get. I sold my PSP about a year ago, but it's possible that I'll get another. I don't need wi-fi right now, but I guess I might need it in the future. I'd like to save that $100 and grab a game or two, but I just don't know anymore.

Why not save at least 500 and not spend it on a console that has no games for it in the first place?

Dirty

I'd go with the 20GB. If you're not sure if you're ever going to use the Wifi, just assume you won't. If you change your mind later, you can get an wifi adapter for netplay. The alternative is possibly spending $100 for a feature you never use.

As for the extra hard drive space, well, if you plan on installing games, even the 60GB is too small, so just get the 20GB model and spend the $100 you saved on a 250+ HDD. If you don't plan on installing the games, 20GB will probably be all you ever need anyways.

Magus`

Wait, how would that even work? Would you have the PSP in front of you and look down at it occassionally? Is that *really* worth it?

Smacky The Frog

OneEyedJack wrote:

Smacky The Frog wrote:

brynstar wrote:

Veevee wrote:

For my cousin, the part that put him over the top between the ps3 and the xbox360 was being able to use his PSP as a rear view mirror during ridge racer.

He got the Core version. Man am I going to laugh at him.

Plus, that rear view mirror thing has only been shown off in conjunction with the F1 game.

...and it's retarded.

I'll have a PS3 in less than a week now and I'm still up in the air about which to get. I sold my PSP about a year ago, but it's possible that I'll get another. I don't need wi-fi right now, but I guess I might need it in the future. I'd like to save that $100 and grab a game or two, but I just don't know anymore.

Why not save at least 500 and not spend it on a console that has no games for it in the first place?

Jesus bless him.