We sort of picked Illyria to act as a unified "Slavia" (aside from the ancient 'state' in the same region, it refers to the Illyrian movement started by Croatians to form a unified 'south Slavic' state in the 19th century). If they manage to get all of the Balkan Slavic states together we could potentially give them some benefits and such.
In my 150 year game they survived until Bohemia started eating away at them, but I've since balanced the game a bit more so Bohemia should be more representative of its spread out CK state (although then Illyria also has to contend with Hungary).
Technically the crusader states consist of people from a variety of backgrounds, but social class meant a lot more than 'nationality' until the 1700s. Aside from the fact that historically the tiny crusader states didn't always get along, there's no real reason they can't work together (aside from the spread of Copt our alternate history has going, which may separate the region in to eastern and western crusader states). In most of my tests Egypt tends to eat Sinai right away anyway - usually leaving Egypt and Zenata now.
So, I may ask Rex to take the first turn because with the holiday and everything I've been slacking on getting things working again on this computer. The only mandated rule here is:
All National Ideas will be subject to a vote, whoever is playing the turn will nominate three and the thread will vote on them. I'd also like there to be increased democracy generally, but nothing required.
enlightenedbum on
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Yeah, for new since I made that post real life reasons, I'm abdicating. Rex can start, I'll take a spot somewhere in the 1600s or so, assuming we get there.
enlightenedbum on
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Actually, screw it, I don't feel like going to bed. Skip to the next lime thing if you're not an EU3 newbie.
Hey ebum, what's EU3 for us newbies?
Europa Universalis 3 is the second sequel to Paradox Interactive's Europa Universalis!
Thanks, could I have some more information?
Sure! EU3 explores the world from approximately the end of the feudal system (1399) until the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution (1821). As the title implies, the focus is on Europe, of course. Major influences include the Papacy, the Holy Roman Empire, colonization of the Americas, Africa, and the East Indies. We are specifically playing with the Napoleon's Ambition, In Nomine, and Heir to the Throne expansions, but not the brand new one that was just released that focused on Asia. Also required will be our mod, which Rex or I will post at some point when it's actually finished (should be soon, I think).
There is a good amount of stuff you can do in these games. Obviously building an army is involved. Unlike CK, there are now separate naval forces. We're no longer playing a dynasty but a country. We are the Kingdom of Burgundy, seeking to become the Carolingian Empire. We (and like half of Europe) are currently ruled by the de Vermandois family. For more details see the last CK post. We'll also have trade to manage, a more robust diplomatic system to play with, attemp to convert provinces, potentially colonize the new world, research new technologies (it's less random, but more abstract; you'll see what I mean).
Sounds exciting!
It certainly can be! It's also interesting just watching the other countries and how history develops. Our Resident historians should be given frequent updates as to the state of the world so they can debate what would happen next.
So, how can I participate?
Well, two ways! First of all, as mentioned all national ideas (a game mechanic, when presented they will be explained) will be subject to a vote by the thread.
Second, this very post is going to make three requests, one of which is asking for people to play the turns! All you have to do is answer those three questions and you'll have participated!
Questions!
1) Experience with EU3 (we're playing on Hard, by the way, as Normal was clearly too easy for us). How much do you want Rex to explain mechanics wise? Are you familiar enough with the game where he doesn't have to or since this is the first Paradox LP (that I know of) on this here forum do we want more details on how this game works like what I did in the first CK post?
2) Do you want to play a round in EU3? Priority goes people who worked on the mod (me/Rex/testers) -> people who did not play a round of CK (order will be by availability, ties go to people who were posting more frequently during CK) -> people who played a round of CK in inverse order of how long their reign was. Experience not required to play, screenshots are still taken with F11 so that's also easy.
3) How should regencies (for newbies: regencies happen when the heir isn't yet 15 and can't take the throne. During regencies, war cannot be declared and the "monarch" usually has pretty crappy stats) be handled?
a) Whoever was playing continues playing until the new King comes of age
b) Whoever will be playing plays the regency and then continues when their King comes of age
c) a roleplaying type of thing where one of us running this thing (myself or I'm drafting Rex) plays with a lot of advice from the thread
d) go in and edit the files so that people are legitimate heirs at the age of 0 (I think I found where to do this)
e) your own suggestion
enlightenedbum on
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
Unfortunately I don't have EUIII at the moment, nor the time to play. From what I remember though, a lot of people seemed to be interested in this portion of the LP early on, so we shouldn't have much trouble getting people to join in.
2) I'm willing to play, though going by your list I'll be way down the queue
3) I'd handle regencies on a case by case basis. If the previous king only reigned very briefly, let him handle the regency too. If the next king is only a few years off, let him handle it. For extended regencies, I'd suggest handling it like a separate reign, with someone playing as the regent.
1. I've played CK to death but just bought EU3 exactly one month ago today. While I'd certainly appreciate as much information as he'd be willing to post about mechanics and how to play, as I'm still figuring things out, it's not critical to me. There are some things that might be very not obvious to noobs, though; it took me forever to figure out that to load troops onto ships you have to have the ships out of port already. For that matter, I haven't fully grasped how to really effectively do naval combat yet, either. I'm pretty good on land wars, but I'm not so sure how important patrolling with your ships is, how to do blockade type things, stuff like that.
2. I would love to play but my work schedule is going to be extremely crazy through the end of January at least, possibly into February. If the EU3 portion of the game is still going at that point I would probably like a turn if my schedule has calmed down.
3. I would probably say B, regencies go on to the next player.
1. I've played CK to death but just bought EU3 exactly one month ago today. While I'd certainly appreciate as much information as he'd be willing to post about mechanics and how to play, as I'm still figuring things out, it's not critical to me. There are some things that might be very not obvious to noobs, though; it took me forever to figure out that to load troops onto ships you have to have the ships out of port already. For that matter, I haven't fully grasped how to really effectively do naval combat yet, either. I'm pretty good on land wars, but I'm not so sure how important patrolling with your ships is, how to do blockade type things, stuff like that.
Why, oh why, did they do this? Just to keep the French from staging D-Day in Cornwall?
Questions!
1) Experience with EU3 (we're playing on Hard, by the way, as Normal was clearly too easy for us). How much do you want Rex to explain mechanics wise? Are you familiar enough with the game where he doesn't have to or since this is the first Paradox LP (that I know of) on this here forum do we want more details on how this game works like what I did in the first CK post?
2) Do you want to play a round in EU3? Priority goes people who worked on the mod (me/Rex/testers) -> people who did not play a round of CK (order will be by availability, ties go to people who were posting more frequently during CK) -> people who played a round of CK in inverse order of how long their reign was. Experience not required to play, screenshots are still taken with F11 so that's also easy.
3) How should regencies (for newbies: regencies happen when the heir isn't yet 15 and can't take the throne. During regencies, war cannot be declared and the "monarch" usually has pretty crappy stats) be handled?
a) Whoever was playing continues playing until the new King comes of age
b) Whoever will be playing plays the regency and then continues when their King comes of age
c) a roleplaying type of thing where one of us running this thing (myself or I'm drafting Rex) plays with a lot of advice from the thread
d) go in and edit the files so that people are legitimate heirs at the age of 0 (I think I found where to do this)
e) your own suggestion
1. Never played it before, and haven't bought it yet. It'll probably be my Christmas present to myself. I'd appreciate any and all tips that any veterans want to hand out.
2. Hell yes!
3. I like the case-by-case handling idea (e.g., sometimes the new guy handles it, sometimes the current guy does), but if I'd have to pick one, I'd prefer going with a hard-and-fast-hand-it-over-to-the-next-guy-in-line plan, just to minimize confusion. Also, having the thread run a regency will probably slow down the pace of play pretty significantly, so if that's a concern ...
3. I would suggest a) with more input than usual from the thread.
Also, does anyone know how a Steam version of EU3 gold + the gamersgate HTTT would work together? I think I can just run it standalone without steam as is...
1. Oh so much experience, in my current game as the Netherlands I'm in a death struggle with the Ottoman Empire which devoured all of Russia.
2. I do in fact want to play a round
3. I would case by case basis it depending on how long the ruler before reigned, I've had annoying situations where my king will be around for a year, go to regency, then the next king also only lasts a year, and more regency. Very frustrating.
Also, does anyone know how a Steam version of EU3 gold + the gamersgate HTTT would work together? I think I can just run it standalone without steam as is...
I answered this already, but I think it is worth re-posting. If you email Gamersgate support and ask them if the two versions are compatible, they will offer to add the games to your Gamersgate account on the provision of your receipt from Steam.
Also, does anyone know how a Steam version of EU3 gold + the gamersgate HTTT would work together? I think I can just run it standalone without steam as is...
I answered this already, but I think it is worth re-posting. If you email Gamersgate support and ask them if the two versions are compatible, they will offer to add the games to your Gamersgate account on the provision of your receipt from Steam.
Thanks, yeah I'm doing this; that's pretty nice of them to match Steam, I guess it helps them compete
Looking forward to reading this. Scared about committing to play and record what I did though. Most of my experience is with play Magna Mundi. Been a while since I played without that mod.
So continued issues. I dunno where Rex has been, but my power supply died while I was gone for the weekend to visit family after my grandmother died. It's been a fun week.
I might have a functioning gaming computer again someday... maybe.
enlightenedbum on
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
...Mostly Fallout New Vegas and doing assorted long-termed errands while I wait/perform basic balance and bug testing reports. Also some minor research into potential event chains/decisions.
Also tentatively waiting to see if the forum collapses (I know quite a few posts from the last week have ended up eaten).
Also, does anyone know how a Steam version of EU3 gold + the gamersgate HTTT would work together? I think I can just run it standalone without steam as is...
I answered this already, but I think it is worth re-posting. If you email Gamersgate support and ask them if the two versions are compatible, they will offer to add the games to your Gamersgate account on the provision of your receipt from Steam.
Thanks, yeah I'm doing this; that's pretty nice of them to match Steam, I guess it helps them compete
I'll probably end up buying Divine Wind off them as a result, so I guess that it works.
And I apologize for being out of it. I've been caught up with family during the holidays (which is a good thing but hasn't left much time for gaming). I'm hoping Rex will include my Egyptian chain somehow, but since I didn't code it I won't hold my breath. I'm also stepping in line for the EUIII play. I don't much care how the regencies are handled though I tend to go with "A". Stopping with national ideals may be slow, I'd suggest voting on them early...like the first one now, so that when they pop they can be chosen quickly.
And I apologize for being out of it. I've been caught up with family during the holidays (which is a good thing but hasn't left much time for gaming). I'm hoping Rex will include my Egyptian chain somehow, but since I didn't code it I won't hold my breath. I'm also stepping in line for the EUIII play. I don't much care how the regencies are handled though I tend to go with "A". Stopping with national ideals may be slow, I'd suggest voting on them early...like the first one now, so that when they pop they can be chosen quickly.
Well the only issue I could see with voting ahead of time is what if we get a sudden change in territory or religion or something? Like say originally we weren't going to try for colonies but we inherit Portugal or something, well not Portugal because it doesn't exist here, but another probable colonial power, and so now we might want Quest for the New World.
If we just do something like have whoever gets the National Idea choice post in the thread and then all votes for the next 24 hours count, it wouldn't cost more than a day of delay. Anyone that posts in the thread in the 24 hours gets counted.
It's relatively easy to go over directions like "should we begin colonization" (particularly since we'd need some initial drive to start doing it anyway) or "should we convert to Protestantism." Decisions are also pretty easy since you could just put a vote up whenever something country-changing pops up.
...The only real problem I see is dealing with sudden event pop-ups (I actually haven't saved with an EU3 pop-up, but I know Victoria and HOI2 discard them when you save). So those are essentially "keep the game running for [x] amount of time paused, or pick an option and see what happens.
Yeah, don't worry about the event pop ups. I'm mandating NIs be voted upon, I would like other major decisions (general strategy, major investments, what to do about certain wars as examples) to sometimes be brought to a vote, but not too frequently so as to keep this thing under like... two years.
enlightenedbum on
Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
It's relatively easy to go over directions like "should we begin colonization" (particularly since we'd need some initial drive to start doing it anyway) or "should we convert to Protestantism." Decisions are also pretty easy since you could just put a vote up whenever something country-changing pops up.
...The only real problem I see is dealing with sudden event pop-ups (I actually haven't saved with an EU3 pop-up, but I know Victoria and HOI2 discard them when you save). So those are essentially "keep the game running for [x] amount of time paused, or pick an option and see what happens.
EU3 will discard events on save, yes. However, major popup events are pretty rare anyway, I don't think I've seen any game defining ones when I was playing.
Ok, from the shlock on the site it _appears_ they just made Japan harder. Has anyone played this? Hey Rex, have you done an update with a Coptic Ethopia?
Starkiller: I've played a little bit of Divine Wind, as China. There aren't huge changes. Japan gets split into four pieces. China has to balance factions. Outside of that just looks like smaller changes and balance issues. They added a bunch of graphics stuff which slows it down a lot for me.
The factions are a bitch. It's tough to choose which one of the three you are at the moment, since it depends on your sliders (which you can only change every 12 years), and you need to have certain factions to do certain things. Like, you have to have the Bureaucrats in charge if you want to build a big military. But if you want to declare war, you need to have a different faction in charge... which means changing sliders... which means waiting dozens of years if you want to build up an army and then declare war.
I wouldn't bother with Divine Wind if you don't have to.
Edit: Ooops, looks like nobody's posted here in a week. Dammit, Enlightened, that's what you get for having that link in your sig.
Rex is still working on the mod and others of us are consulting on changes. I'm still working on restoring my achy computer. Power supply exists... CD drive not as much but got a new DVD drive for Christmas sooooo hopefully soon.
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Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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In my 150 year game they survived until Bohemia started eating away at them, but I've since balanced the game a bit more so Bohemia should be more representative of its spread out CK state (although then Illyria also has to contend with Hungary).
Technically the crusader states consist of people from a variety of backgrounds, but social class meant a lot more than 'nationality' until the 1700s. Aside from the fact that historically the tiny crusader states didn't always get along, there's no real reason they can't work together (aside from the spread of Copt our alternate history has going, which may separate the region in to eastern and western crusader states). In most of my tests Egypt tends to eat Sinai right away anyway - usually leaving Egypt and Zenata now.
All National Ideas will be subject to a vote, whoever is playing the turn will nominate three and the thread will vote on them. I'd also like there to be increased democracy generally, but nothing required.
Actually, screw it, I don't feel like going to bed. Skip to the next lime thing if you're not an EU3 newbie.
Hey ebum, what's EU3 for us newbies?
Europa Universalis 3 is the second sequel to Paradox Interactive's Europa Universalis!
Thanks, could I have some more information?
Sure! EU3 explores the world from approximately the end of the feudal system (1399) until the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution (1821). As the title implies, the focus is on Europe, of course. Major influences include the Papacy, the Holy Roman Empire, colonization of the Americas, Africa, and the East Indies. We are specifically playing with the Napoleon's Ambition, In Nomine, and Heir to the Throne expansions, but not the brand new one that was just released that focused on Asia. Also required will be our mod, which Rex or I will post at some point when it's actually finished (should be soon, I think).
There is a good amount of stuff you can do in these games. Obviously building an army is involved. Unlike CK, there are now separate naval forces. We're no longer playing a dynasty but a country. We are the Kingdom of Burgundy, seeking to become the Carolingian Empire. We (and like half of Europe) are currently ruled by the de Vermandois family. For more details see the last CK post. We'll also have trade to manage, a more robust diplomatic system to play with, attemp to convert provinces, potentially colonize the new world, research new technologies (it's less random, but more abstract; you'll see what I mean).
Sounds exciting!
It certainly can be! It's also interesting just watching the other countries and how history develops. Our Resident historians should be given frequent updates as to the state of the world so they can debate what would happen next.
So, how can I participate?
Well, two ways! First of all, as mentioned all national ideas (a game mechanic, when presented they will be explained) will be subject to a vote by the thread.
Second, this very post is going to make three requests, one of which is asking for people to play the turns! All you have to do is answer those three questions and you'll have participated!
Questions!
1) Experience with EU3 (we're playing on Hard, by the way, as Normal was clearly too easy for us). How much do you want Rex to explain mechanics wise? Are you familiar enough with the game where he doesn't have to or since this is the first Paradox LP (that I know of) on this here forum do we want more details on how this game works like what I did in the first CK post?
2) Do you want to play a round in EU3? Priority goes people who worked on the mod (me/Rex/testers) -> people who did not play a round of CK (order will be by availability, ties go to people who were posting more frequently during CK) -> people who played a round of CK in inverse order of how long their reign was. Experience not required to play, screenshots are still taken with F11 so that's also easy.
3) How should regencies (for newbies: regencies happen when the heir isn't yet 15 and can't take the throne. During regencies, war cannot be declared and the "monarch" usually has pretty crappy stats) be handled?
a) Whoever was playing continues playing until the new King comes of age
b) Whoever will be playing plays the regency and then continues when their King comes of age
c) a roleplaying type of thing where one of us running this thing (myself or I'm drafting Rex) plays with a lot of advice from the thread
d) go in and edit the files so that people are legitimate heirs at the age of 0 (I think I found where to do this)
e) your own suggestion
2) I'm willing to play, though going by your list I'll be way down the queue
3) I'd handle regencies on a case by case basis. If the previous king only reigned very briefly, let him handle the regency too. If the next king is only a few years off, let him handle it. For extended regencies, I'd suggest handling it like a separate reign, with someone playing as the regent.
2. Willing to play.
3. Regencies should be given to the next player. Players with unfortunately short reigns can be cycled back round.
2. I would love to play but my work schedule is going to be extremely crazy through the end of January at least, possibly into February. If the EU3 portion of the game is still going at that point I would probably like a turn if my schedule has calmed down.
3. I would probably say B, regencies go on to the next player.
Why, oh why, did they do this? Just to keep the French from staging D-Day in Cornwall?
1. Never played it before, and haven't bought it yet. It'll probably be my Christmas present to myself. I'd appreciate any and all tips that any veterans want to hand out.
2. Hell yes!
3. I like the case-by-case handling idea (e.g., sometimes the new guy handles it, sometimes the current guy does), but if I'd have to pick one, I'd prefer going with a hard-and-fast-hand-it-over-to-the-next-guy-in-line plan, just to minimize confusion. Also, having the thread run a regency will probably slow down the pace of play pretty significantly, so if that's a concern ...
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2. Yes, once I get HTTT
3. I would suggest a) with more input than usual from the thread.
Also, does anyone know how a Steam version of EU3 gold + the gamersgate HTTT would work together? I think I can just run it standalone without steam as is...
2. I do in fact want to play a round
3. I would case by case basis it depending on how long the ruler before reigned, I've had annoying situations where my king will be around for a year, go to regency, then the next king also only lasts a year, and more regency. Very frustrating.
2. I'd be down for a turn, but I realize that I'd fall pretty far down the list based on the length of my reign in CK.
3. I'm with phyphor - tend towards A, but putting major decisions in the hands of the rabble in this here thread...
I answered this already, but I think it is worth re-posting. If you email Gamersgate support and ask them if the two versions are compatible, they will offer to add the games to your Gamersgate account on the provision of your receipt from Steam.
Thanks, yeah I'm doing this; that's pretty nice of them to match Steam, I guess it helps them compete
I might have a functioning gaming computer again someday... maybe.
Also tentatively waiting to see if the forum collapses (I know quite a few posts from the last week have ended up eaten).
I'll probably end up buying Divine Wind off them as a result, so I guess that it works.
Well the only issue I could see with voting ahead of time is what if we get a sudden change in territory or religion or something? Like say originally we weren't going to try for colonies but we inherit Portugal or something, well not Portugal because it doesn't exist here, but another probable colonial power, and so now we might want Quest for the New World.
So maybe vote on national ideas between players?
...The only real problem I see is dealing with sudden event pop-ups (I actually haven't saved with an EU3 pop-up, but I know Victoria and HOI2 discard them when you save). So those are essentially "keep the game running for [x] amount of time paused, or pick an option and see what happens.
EU3 will discard events on save, yes. However, major popup events are pretty rare anyway, I don't think I've seen any game defining ones when I was playing.
The factions are a bitch. It's tough to choose which one of the three you are at the moment, since it depends on your sliders (which you can only change every 12 years), and you need to have certain factions to do certain things. Like, you have to have the Bureaucrats in charge if you want to build a big military. But if you want to declare war, you need to have a different faction in charge... which means changing sliders... which means waiting dozens of years if you want to build up an army and then declare war.
I wouldn't bother with Divine Wind if you don't have to.
Edit: Ooops, looks like nobody's posted here in a week. Dammit, Enlightened, that's what you get for having that link in your sig.