youre going to diamond whether you want to or not :P
apparently
Edit: I really only feel like I should be low to mid level platinum. I mean I only have like 70 apm usually.
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AlazullYour body is not a temple, it's an amusement park.Enjoy the ride.Registered Userregular
edited July 2010
So, finally finished my 1v1 placement matches with 1 win and 4 losses, so it's the Bronze for me at the moment. My last win was entirely because I read the newb tips in the OP and realized that I needed to leverage everything to its fullest to win. I'll try to post up a replay later, as currently sc2rc doesn't want to upload my replay.
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Hey guys. I thought I'd follow up our friends terran problems with my own zerg problems. This is my 11th match in the practice league so please don't mind the novice maps.
It's hosted on mediafire, hope that nobody has a problem with that.
I really shouldn't have lost this match, and I just want to chalk it up to my lack of experience. But Please, let me know what you think. I've already gotten some friends to check it out, but I'm looking for outside input. Thanks.
That is one macro-heavy map. You can't fast expand, but if you're patient you can set yourself up with a virtually untouchable expansion.
In this last game, I held off a 4-warpgate rush pretty easily while I set up my internal expansion, then grabbed the expansion right outside my base, then with my ~170 food army, found and killed his army, and then killed his base.
All the while I was keeping tabs with my observer to watch for new enemy expansions -- and he had none. Not one, the entire game. It was baffling.
Anyway, I think my goal for the future will be to focus on taking the game into the mid and late game with multiple expansions, doing my best to hold off a rush. Whenever I rush myself, it seems to be an all-in crapshoot. Maybe I'll make it, but maybe I won't. But if I make it my strategy from the beginning to hold off early aggression and set up more safe expansions than my opponent, I tend to win.
Got put in a "Teams even" against a mid-bronze. I'm mid-high plat.
It was a massacre.
Because the favored/even thing is based on win %. Not rank.
Him: 44%
You: 47%
Thats about even.
Also, the placement matches do not give you 1 person from each group, it gives you whoever it can find. You're placed based on number of wins. 2 or less = bronze. 3 silver. 4 gold. 5 plat. So, your best chances for placing in plat are to play your placement matches during primetime when all the noobs are on. If you're playing at 3am with the other diehards, you might find yourself in bronze.
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I will throw you on the land and hurl you on the open field. I will let all the birds of the air settle on you and all the beasts of the earth gorge themselves on you. I will spread your flesh on the mountains and fill the valleys with your remains. I will drench the land with your flowing blood all the way to the mountains, and the ravines will be filled with your flesh. - Ezekiel 32: 4-6
Here's a replay where I successfully Baneling Busted a Terran gold player.
Anyone want to give me tips on how I could've done better? I know that I started the extractor a bit late, and I need to get the exact build order down better, but it seemed to go pretty well.
Sorry it's on mediafire, the sc2replay site seems to be down.
Just had a fun ZvZ game, I'm platinum vs a diamond guy. He starts with banelings, killing lots of my drones, I manage to get to mutalisks and he masses infestors for my ling/muta army. Twist comes when about 20 infestors run from 6 ultralisks later on.
Fungal growth gets applied but it doesn't slow them also no neural parasite. Managed to mop it up eventually.
Any mistakes anyone can find would be appreciated.
I will throw you on the land and hurl you on the open field. I will let all the birds of the air settle on you and all the beasts of the earth gorge themselves on you. I will spread your flesh on the mountains and fill the valleys with your remains. I will drench the land with your flowing blood all the way to the mountains, and the ravines will be filled with your flesh. - Ezekiel 32: 4-6
I just learned that Broodlords are awesome. Huuuge range and the little broodling things distract stuff. I just used a bunch of zerglings to distract and kill workers on an expansion, then sent the broodlords (with some corruptors for anti-air) to the main from behind. Seemed to work pretty well!
Here's a replay where I successfully Baneling Busted a Terran gold player.
Anyone want to give me tips on how I could've done better? I know that I started the extractor a bit late, and I need to get the exact build order down better, but it seemed to go pretty well.
Sorry it's on mediafire, the sc2replay site seems to be down.
You executed it pretty damn correctly. Getting drones into gas was a little late but you did right with first 100 gas to speed and next 50 to nest. You got your zerglings positioned at the right time and you moved in when the next wave of lings was coming in. Thumbs up.
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I will throw you on the land and hurl you on the open field. I will let all the birds of the air settle on you and all the beasts of the earth gorge themselves on you. I will spread your flesh on the mountains and fill the valleys with your remains. I will drench the land with your flowing blood all the way to the mountains, and the ravines will be filled with your flesh. - Ezekiel 32: 4-6
Not sure if anyone mentioned it. Day[9] has the In the Rainbow vs. Tester games up. At least 3 of them. Looks like he uploaded the Idra games but they didn't work last time I tried. The Tester vs. ITR games are intense as all get out. Some TLO like shit going down at times.
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Madpandasuburbs west of chicagoRegistered Userregular
edited July 2010
I've heard a few people mention throwing the placement matches in order to get into bronze. Can I just surrender right off the bat or is that a dick move that won't work?
I never played SC1 multi and just started practice league this morning after finishing the campaign.
I play Terran and I find my biggest problem is knowing what to do mid-game. I always have a strong start, I get my 10 SCVs, get my depot out, get my barracks out, start producing marines, get my gas production going, get a wall of depots and bunkers filled with marines at my base entrance, get my factory up at the same time and start producing Tanks to defend, get my armory up.... but then I don't know what units to amass to attack, or if I should start expanding to a second base, or if I should build up my defenses more or what I should do. I get so caught up in trying to improve my units and setup a defense.. that I never attack fast or effectively enough.
at this point I start to fall behind and get rushed with units that overwhelm my defenses or the dude sends in ghosts and starts nuking my place or something, heh.
Is there a "best" unit for Terrans to amass to attack with?
When I'm up against Protoss they usually just send a ton of Stalkers/Immortals and some Zealots against me. Zerg is tons of Roaches and Lings. I've really never played against a great Terran who attacked en masse.
Just had a fun ZvZ game, I'm platinum vs a diamond guy. He starts with banelings, killing lots of my drones, I manage to get to mutalisks and he masses infestors for my ling/muta army. Twist comes when about 20 infestors run from 6 ultralisks later on.
Fungal growth gets applied but it doesn't slow them also no neural parasite. Managed to mop it up eventually.
Any mistakes anyone can find would be appreciated.
i find that the other guy should have won it with his 6~ minute push.
the biggest mistakes you made, I find, were:
a) lack of scouting. you had no overlord at your choke, you could have seen those lings coming, etc., later on you could have easily prevented his expanding, you could have had all the xel naga watchtowers..
b) passive playstyle. at once point you had 3000 minerals and 70 food pop. unforgivable. you knew he had hydras, why not stick with air and power towards broodlords? your small muta group wouldn't have held off a hydra push, which your opponent could have done any time during the midgame (but didn't, he probably only knows how to bling cheese and then fails at further planning).
I've heard a few people mention throwing the placement matches in order to get into bronze. Can I just surrender right off the bat or is that a dick move that won't work?
Yes that will work.
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I will throw you on the land and hurl you on the open field. I will let all the birds of the air settle on you and all the beasts of the earth gorge themselves on you. I will spread your flesh on the mountains and fill the valleys with your remains. I will drench the land with your flowing blood all the way to the mountains, and the ravines will be filled with your flesh. - Ezekiel 32: 4-6
Yeah, I've been playing Protoss, and I feel pretty good about the early game (obviously playing people around my skill level). But once things go long term and my economy is booming I just feel like I can't keep up, the resources are there but I don't think I'm utilizing them as well as I could.
Just had a fun ZvZ game, I'm platinum vs a diamond guy. He starts with banelings, killing lots of my drones, I manage to get to mutalisks and he masses infestors for my ling/muta army. Twist comes when about 20 infestors run from 6 ultralisks later on.
Fungal growth gets applied but it doesn't slow them also no neural parasite. Managed to mop it up eventually.
Any mistakes anyone can find would be appreciated.
i find that the other guy should have won it with his 6~ minute push.
the biggest mistakes you made, I find, were:
a) lack of scouting. you had no overlord at your choke, you could have seen those lings coming, etc., later on you could have easily prevented his expanding, you could have had all the xel naga watchtowers..
b) passive playstyle. at once point you had 3000 minerals and 70 food pop. unforgivable. you knew he had hydras, why not stick with air and power towards broodlords? your small muta group wouldn't have held off a hydra push, which your opponent could have done any time during the midgame (but didn't, he probably only knows how to bling cheese and then fails at further planning).
Yeah, I've been playing Protoss, and I feel pretty good about the early game (obviously playing people around my skill level). But once things go long term and my economy is booming I just feel like I can't keep up, the resources are there but I don't think I'm utilizing them as well as I could.
I have the same problem. Things that have helped me imrpove:
-limiting myself to as few builds as possible. I know it may sound boring but it hones your macro skill, allows you to micro more since your macro is more solid and therefore panic less and make more efficient moves.
-play in front of 7-8 other paers in a lobby. Having huge resources pile up ina game like that is a lesson in humility and really brings the point home.
-in your build, have a set idea of how many unit building structures you need (not more not less) that will use your resources and have the army you desire. For example in my mind, when i have 2 bases more or less saturated i i generally have 4-5 warpgates, 2 robos + some upgrades tech.
-attack and push once in a while, dont wait for your opponent, if you suffer losses, rebuild immediately.
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Yeah, I've been playing Protoss, and I feel pretty good about the early game (obviously playing people around my skill level). But once things go long term and my economy is booming I just feel like I can't keep up, the resources are there but I don't think I'm utilizing them as well as I could.
I have the same problem. Things that have helped me imrpove:
-limiting myself to as few builds as possible. I know it may sound boring but it hones your macro skill, allows you to micro more since your macro is more solid and therefore panic less and make more efficient moves.
-play in front of 7-8 other paers in a lobby. Having huge resources pile up ina game like that is a lesson in humility and really brings the point home.
-in your build, have a set idea of how many unit building structures you need (not more not less) that will use your resources and have the army you desire. For example in my mind, when i have 2 bases more or less saturated i i generally have 4-5 warpgates, 2 robos + some upgrades tech.
-attack and push once in a while, dont wait for your opponent, if you suffer losses, rebuild immediately.
Yeah, I've been playing Protoss, and I feel pretty good about the early game (obviously playing people around my skill level). But once things go long term and my economy is booming I just feel like I can't keep up, the resources are there but I don't think I'm utilizing them as well as I could.
I play random and find that protoss has the easiest time solving this problem. It's almost always a good idea to build more warpgates when you have the cash. you should never need more than 3 (2 if you're macroing out of them constantly) robo bays if youre going that tech route. Otherwise it's pretty much more warpgates unless you plan to supplement with void rays, in which case 2 or 3 stargates should be all you need.
tldr; you're not building enough warpgates to scale with your expansions. chronoboost your existing warpgates while building more warpgates if you find yourself with too much cash.
it's insane how quickly protoss can produce units out of WGs, especially with chronoboost
I've finished up most of the challenges now, just the last two go to, rush defence and the economy one. Economy I'm pretty sure I'll finish up later tonight and rush defence doesn't look too bad, just a lot of marine micro.
Really enjoying the achievements though, they're fun and challenging while not being balls to the wall hard
Woo, almost broke back out of Bronze after how horribly my placement matches went....getting a couple void rays after ~ 10 minutes then dropping behind someone's mineral line and blasting their CC/hatchery/nexus is great fun, at least while it lasts at this level.
Yeah, I've been playing Protoss, and I feel pretty good about the early game (obviously playing people around my skill level). But once things go long term and my economy is booming I just feel like I can't keep up, the resources are there but I don't think I'm utilizing them as well as I could.
I play random and find that protoss has the easiest time solving this problem. It's almost always a good idea to build more warpgates when you have the cash. you should never need more than 3 (2 if you're macroing out of them constantly) robo bays if youre going that tech route. Otherwise it's pretty much more warpgates unless you plan to supplement with void rays, in which case 2 or 3 stargates should be all you need.
tldr; you're not building enough warpgates to scale with your expansions. chronoboost your existing warpgates while building more warpgates if you find yourself with too much cash.
it's insane how quickly protoss can produce units out of WGs, especially with chronoboost
Yeah I think you're right, I'm probably not scaling my Warpgate numbers with my expansions as well as I should be.
i'm a day late on this and i don't think i could help you improve since i'm not that great myself, but i found this HILARIOUS:
after you contaminated (which i loved) his extended thermal lances he killed his own robo bay.
i was switching between his view and your view and when i went back to his view after that to see if he'd push before you got the spire i was like "wait where is the robo bay. did i accidentally hit b?"
I've heard a few people mention throwing the placement matches in order to get into bronze. Can I just surrender right off the bat or is that a dick move that won't work?
I never played SC1 multi and just started practice league this morning after finishing the campaign.
i'm a day late on this and i don't think i could help you improve since i'm not that great myself, but i found this HILARIOUS:
after you contaminated (which i loved) his extended thermal lances he killed his own robo bay.
i was switching between his view and your view and when i went back to his view after that to see if he'd push before you got the spire i was like "wait where is the robo bay. did i accidentally hit b?"
i'm a day late on this and i don't think i could help you improve since i'm not that great myself, but i found this HILARIOUS:
after you contaminated (which i loved) his extended thermal lances he killed his own robo bay.
i was switching between his view and your view and when i went back to his view after that to see if he'd push before you got the spire i was like "wait where is the robo bay. did i accidentally hit b?"
nope. it had to be purified.
he must have been roleplaying
holy shit this actually happened?
yeah
who knows what his thought process was, later when his robotics facility was contaminated with two colossi in it he just left it there it seemed and i guess he found out then that contaminate isn't permanent
Here's my most recent game. I struggle so hard versus other Zerg - I haven't won a single match. This is the first time I've gone into the lategame without getting my face pushed in first.
I'm soooooo Bronze it's not funny. Any advice would be helpful.
EDIT: To clarify, before I picked this game up the other day, I knew almost nothing about Starcraft, other than general story stuff. No gameplay, nothing. I've been learning this game from scratch. Wasn't even participating in the beta at all. So, it's all brand-new to me.
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FaranguI am a beardy manWith a beardy planRegistered Userregular
edited July 2010
First placement match, first time playing as Terran...it doesn't last long. Don't really know what I did wrong.
I have yet to win a single game against another Zerg player. I just got Crawler Rushed last game and I have no idea how to cope with that nonsense.
Its cool. I had a protoss on Desert Oasis (aka the worst fucking map in the game) cannon off the ENTIRE BOTTOM of the map, get 6 stargates, then teehee void rays. Seriously, I came at him with about 20 mutas, then like 10-12 corruptors, easily outnumbered him, and still couldn't kill them all.
I suppose what I should've done would be to expand over the entire top of the map (I only had 2 expos when he rolled in with his VR's) so I could just produce a ridiculous amount of corruptors or mutas, but jeez. Never ran into someone who cannoned the perim of their main, as well as the choke into their nat and the ramp to the right.
Hahaha, don't feel bad. I think that guy beat me too. I saw canons at his front and no units and thought "this guy's terrible, just take your time and it'll be an easy win" and it never occurred to me that he might be massing void rays. I held off the first two waves but I was totally in a panic and screwed it up big-time.
Here's my most recent game. I struggle so hard versus other Zerg - I haven't won a single match. This is the first time I've gone into the lategame without getting my face pushed in first.
I'm soooooo Bronze it's not funny. Any advice would be helpful.
EDIT: To clarify, before I picked this game up the other day, I knew almost nothing about Starcraft, other than general story stuff. No gameplay, nothing. I've been learning this game from scratch. Wasn't even participating in the beta at all. So, it's all brand-new to me.
Some basic stuff:
1. Get more drones. You were way behind on drone count for the first half of the game. You did wind up pumping a bunch later, but that's way too late.
2. Harvest gas. You had one guy harvesting gas for, again, like half the game.
3. Don't block your harvesters with tech structures (spawning pool, roach warren, spire)
edit: 4. Don't try to get fancy at this point with stuff like that spine crawler you built in his base.
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edit: I don't want to be in diamond!!! I'm not good enough to be in diamond!!!
apparently
Edit: I really only feel like I should be low to mid level platinum. I mean I only have like 70 apm usually.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/9dgsd5d5e5bnvjd/Great match ZvP.SC2Replay
It's hosted on mediafire, hope that nobody has a problem with that.
I really shouldn't have lost this match, and I just want to chalk it up to my lack of experience. But Please, let me know what you think. I've already gotten some friends to check it out, but I'm looking for outside input. Thanks.
That is one macro-heavy map. You can't fast expand, but if you're patient you can set yourself up with a virtually untouchable expansion.
In this last game, I held off a 4-warpgate rush pretty easily while I set up my internal expansion, then grabbed the expansion right outside my base, then with my ~170 food army, found and killed his army, and then killed his base.
All the while I was keeping tabs with my observer to watch for new enemy expansions -- and he had none. Not one, the entire game. It was baffling.
Anyway, I think my goal for the future will be to focus on taking the game into the mid and late game with multiple expansions, doing my best to hold off a rush. Whenever I rush myself, it seems to be an all-in crapshoot. Maybe I'll make it, but maybe I won't. But if I make it my strategy from the beginning to hold off early aggression and set up more safe expansions than my opponent, I tend to win.
Got put in a "Teams even" against a mid-bronze. I'm mid-high plat.
It was a massacre.
Because the favored/even thing is based on win %. Not rank.
Him: 44%
You: 47%
Thats about even.
Also, the placement matches do not give you 1 person from each group, it gives you whoever it can find. You're placed based on number of wins. 2 or less = bronze. 3 silver. 4 gold. 5 plat. So, your best chances for placing in plat are to play your placement matches during primetime when all the noobs are on. If you're playing at 3am with the other diehards, you might find yourself in bronze.
Anyone want to give me tips on how I could've done better? I know that I started the extractor a bit late, and I need to get the exact build order down better, but it seemed to go pretty well.
Sorry it's on mediafire, the sc2replay site seems to be down.
http://www.mediafire.com/?9f2qy6mhsnqs6pm
Fungal growth gets applied but it doesn't slow them
Any mistakes anyone can find would be appreciated.
http://www.mediafire.com/?8sc4cqgc0s5lcnp
Edit: Alright reuploaded it http://sc2.replayers.com/replays/view/1287
You executed it pretty damn correctly. Getting drones into gas was a little late but you did right with first 100 gas to speed and next 50 to nest. You got your zerglings positioned at the right time and you moved in when the next wave of lings was coming in. Thumbs up.
I never played SC1 multi and just started practice league this morning after finishing the campaign.
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at this point I start to fall behind and get rushed with units that overwhelm my defenses or the dude sends in ghosts and starts nuking my place or something, heh.
Is there a "best" unit for Terrans to amass to attack with?
When I'm up against Protoss they usually just send a ton of Stalkers/Immortals and some Zealots against me. Zerg is tons of Roaches and Lings. I've really never played against a great Terran who attacked en masse.
i find that the other guy should have won it with his 6~ minute push.
the biggest mistakes you made, I find, were:
a) lack of scouting. you had no overlord at your choke, you could have seen those lings coming, etc., later on you could have easily prevented his expanding, you could have had all the xel naga watchtowers..
b) passive playstyle. at once point you had 3000 minerals and 70 food pop. unforgivable. you knew he had hydras, why not stick with air and power towards broodlords? your small muta group wouldn't have held off a hydra push, which your opponent could have done any time during the midgame (but didn't, he probably only knows how to bling cheese and then fails at further planning).
Yes that will work.
Thanks for the tips man.
Due to this morning's lectures I just ran off 6 wins in a row, including a gold opponent.
PSN: Bizazedo
CFN: Bizazedo (I don't think I suck, add me).
no more tips for you!
NONE!
and then thought about it
and realized that memory was a dream
is this sad?
Its infinite duration in the challenge mission For the Swarm, they can't move while channelling it but the mission is trivial when you realise it.
I have the same problem. Things that have helped me imrpove:
-limiting myself to as few builds as possible. I know it may sound boring but it hones your macro skill, allows you to micro more since your macro is more solid and therefore panic less and make more efficient moves.
-play in front of 7-8 other paers in a lobby. Having huge resources pile up ina game like that is a lesson in humility and really brings the point home.
-in your build, have a set idea of how many unit building structures you need (not more not less) that will use your resources and have the army you desire. For example in my mind, when i have 2 bases more or less saturated i i generally have 4-5 warpgates, 2 robos + some upgrades tech.
-attack and push once in a while, dont wait for your opponent, if you suffer losses, rebuild immediately.
Gamertag(SSF4/MW2)StokedAidzzzSC2 ID Stoked.655
Uploaded SC2 Replays
i really wish cross realms was working
I play random and find that protoss has the easiest time solving this problem. It's almost always a good idea to build more warpgates when you have the cash. you should never need more than 3 (2 if you're macroing out of them constantly) robo bays if youre going that tech route. Otherwise it's pretty much more warpgates unless you plan to supplement with void rays, in which case 2 or 3 stargates should be all you need.
tldr; you're not building enough warpgates to scale with your expansions. chronoboost your existing warpgates while building more warpgates if you find yourself with too much cash.
it's insane how quickly protoss can produce units out of WGs, especially with chronoboost
Really enjoying the achievements though, they're fun and challenging while not being balls to the wall hard
Yeah I think you're right, I'm probably not scaling my Warpgate numbers with my expansions as well as I should be.
i'm a day late on this and i don't think i could help you improve since i'm not that great myself, but i found this HILARIOUS:
after you contaminated (which i loved) his extended thermal lances he killed his own robo bay.
i was switching between his view and your view and when i went back to his view after that to see if he'd push before you got the spire i was like "wait where is the robo bay. did i accidentally hit b?"
nope. it had to be purified.
he must have been roleplaying
is amazing
why not just play them?
holy shit this actually happened?
yeah
who knows what his thought process was, later when his robotics facility was contaminated with two colossi in it he just left it there it seemed and i guess he found out then that contaminate isn't permanent
he seemed like a nice guy though
Here's my most recent game. I struggle so hard versus other Zerg - I haven't won a single match. This is the first time I've gone into the lategame without getting my face pushed in first.
I'm soooooo Bronze it's not funny. Any advice would be helpful.
EDIT: To clarify, before I picked this game up the other day, I knew almost nothing about Starcraft, other than general story stuff. No gameplay, nothing. I've been learning this game from scratch. Wasn't even participating in the beta at all. So, it's all brand-new to me.
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Hahaha, don't feel bad. I think that guy beat me too. I saw canons at his front and no units and thought "this guy's terrible, just take your time and it'll be an easy win" and it never occurred to me that he might be massing void rays. I held off the first two waves but I was totally in a panic and screwed it up big-time.
Some basic stuff:
1. Get more drones. You were way behind on drone count for the first half of the game. You did wind up pumping a bunch later, but that's way too late.
2. Harvest gas. You had one guy harvesting gas for, again, like half the game.
3. Don't block your harvesters with tech structures (spawning pool, roach warren, spire)
edit: 4. Don't try to get fancy at this point with stuff like that spine crawler you built in his base.