I really wish the term feminism hadn't somehow gotten conflated with misandry in the popular mindset somewhere along the line, because when people say this, it really confuses me- unless they are genuinely against the equal rights of women, which confuses me in the whole different way.
I luckily haven't experienced a heck of a lot of that in MMO's, though I have had a lot of "you're probably a guy" comments...but I could care less about those.
There was one time where I got a really sweet armor set in an MMO...simply because I told somebody I was a girl...lol
Generally if there are asshats present, I just try to remove myself from the area.
Man, all this MMO talk makes me really, really want to play some WoW again. DAMN YOU, MONIES
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I really wish the term feminism hadn't somehow gotten conflated with misandry in the popular mindset somewhere along the line, because when people say this, it really confuses me- unless they are genuinely against the equal rights of women, which confuses me in the whole different way.
Yeah... if you're for equal rights between men and women you're a feminist. But, like all things the most...... outspoken crowd ruins it for everyone else.
I really wish the term feminism hadn't somehow gotten conflated with misandry in the popular mindset somewhere along the line, because when people say this, it really confuses me- unless they are genuinely against the equal rights of women, which confuses me in the whole different way.
I just mean that I don't generally go parading around complaining about women "oppression" and the stereotypes against them. Because I'm fully aware of the double standards society holds against men. I'm much more grateful for what women do have rights for - it's a very, "beggars can't be choosers" sort of mindset.
edit: And I'm not against equal rights. I'm against women complaining about "rights" that men don't even have.
Ugh. My father just sent me an email about "do you have any plans on beginning repayments on the school loans that your mother and I cosigned" and "I'm getting worried" and it's time for you to feel bad about yourself and start stressing the fuck out because I think that as a parental unit I need to instill a sense of guilt and fear into you because you're a child and automatically irresponsible, despite exemplifying the exact opposite for 23 years.
I think if I won the lottery I'd pay off my school loans first...not only to absolve all my debt, but to get my parents out of my life for a couple of years.
it makes me super glad that my parent(s) were super supportive of me and I like to think I've turned out fairly good and independent at a young age because of it
I took a women's studies class once. It was considered a requirement to take a culturally important course, some of the other's were about south american, or african, or asian cultures.
Women's studies fit in my schedule though.
I'm probably the most liberal out of any other males I know in real life, and absolutely believe in equal rights for men and women, obviously making exception for things of physical or biological differences.
I had to drop the class after 1 week.
Basically the entire class consists of x topic, and why the men of x topic are evil and oppressive, and how this relates to all men, and the culture at large. That in fact, I am directly responsible for their oppression because of my maleness.
It sucks too because it really is important shit but you have a teacher who is teaching her agenda fucking it over (she even wrote one of the assigned books)
I guess it's generally assumed that average-to-attractive girls who are completely normal never play video games, or even use the internet.
We are clearly too busy cooking 10 meals a day for our husbands and childrens and doing all the laundry. And crying into Ben & Jerry's while we watch Lifetime.
P.S. my friend's mom records shows on Lifetime every now and then...most of the shows/movies follow a clear "mens are violent and bad, but this heroine is totally confident and wins at everything, in spite of the bad mens" and also a lot of "middle-aged female fantasy" scenarios that seem straight out of those godawful romance novels with a beefcake on the cover, all up in the lady's business/skirts.
I'm all for "yay ladies" and such, but...when it's completely one-sided like that, it's completely unrealistic.
Also human men are naturally stronger than human women, I don't care what any hyper-feminist has to say, it's fucking biology. Biology does not allow for perfect physical equality, you asshat.
[edit] sorry I rage a lot on this subject. RAAAAAGE
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I tried watching Lifetime once. I'm one of those oddball guys who doesn't mind watching a chick-liberation flick, but holy crap. They take it to the absurd extreme.
I think movies like The Net are a great example of how to treat women in movies. Sandra Bullock's interactions with the protagonists don't have much to do with gender. That her character is a woman is not essential to the plot (even the boat scene), and she's not all "abloobloo they're just ruining my life because I'm a woman and they think I'm weak." They're after her because they think she has information she's not supposed to have.
I sometimes wish I was a girl. Not in that homosexual sense, but I'd just like to have that thing girls have between each other. It's like there's some kind of bond or something amongst girls, while men (I believe) are generally quite lonely.
We don't have that special friendship, love, comfort, intimate thing and I envy you for that.
As for the feminist thing, I'd say the opposite of a feminist isn't one who keeps going on about how she's living in a mans world and has some sort of bias against men rather than believing in equal rights. But that's just how I think I guess.
I find it strangely inconsistent that women can compliment each other on their looks while men can't. It's a simple gesture of friendship and good will that offers a bit of an uplift in spirit to the recipient. Women can walk up to each other and go "Ohh you look so pretty in that shirt!" or "Girrrrrl, you look GORGEOUS today!" and make the other girl all happy because hey, she just got complimented, how awesome is that!
If a guy walks up to another guy and says "Dude, you're looking rather handsome today," all of a sudden he's branded with various labels, no one talks to him at lunch, and his coworkers become uncomfortable around him. It's like guys are completely incapable of taking the same bits of positive reinforcement from their fellow man without turning it into an awkward situation.
Maybe accepting compliments from each other is connected to the "feminine" side of things, and most men aren't in touch with that part of themselves. We can't be bothered to talk about how we look with one another. Not when there are cars to rebuild from spare parts and frying pans to bend with our bare hands!!
Maybe accepting compliments from each other is connected to the "feminine" side of things, and most men aren't in touch with that part of themselves. We can't be bothered to talk about how we look with one another. Not when there are cars to rebuild from spare parts and frying pans to bend with our bare hands!!
Yeah, I feel you on this one.
NO HOMO, dog. Agreeing with a guy doesn't make me gay, right? :?
All kidding aside, I think that maybe men have these sorts of relationships for some sort of biological reason. But I do know that a lot of these ideas are helped along by social norms.
(For the record, what's with that no homo shit? Are guys really that insecure that they have to shout that out to prove that they don't like penis?)
I guess it's generally assumed that average-to-attractive girls who are completely normal never play video games, or even use the internet.
We are clearly too busy cooking 10 meals a day for our husbands and childrens and doing all the laundry. And crying into Ben & Jerry's while we watch Lifetime.
I once joined a random public L4D server once where a team of three other girls happened to be playing. I wish I had saved their names because they were really good, in that they worked together and talked a lot more than almost every team I've played with. The idea that 'girls don't play games' seems to me a really unfortunate self-fulfilling prophecy, because I have to say I really like running in to girls in online games, simply because they typically don't act the asshat as much.
Also, for every girl who likes something 'masculine' (note the commas) I'll bet you there are just as many guys who like something 'feminine'.
I dunno, m3nace. I was playing Blur on 360 in one of the 20-player races, and there was one girl who came in and started chatting it up. Immediately every guy in the game started giving her guff because she was not only a girl gamer, but a girl gamer attempting to drive.
- "Holy crap, it's a female driver!! Quick, hug the walls!!"
- "We're through the looking glass, people!"
- "Hey, why couldn't Helen Keller drive a car?
... because she's a woman."
She actually put up with it pretty well and started dishing it right back. Particularly when she started winning.
I find it strangely inconsistent that women can compliment each other on their looks while men can't. It's a simple gesture of friendship and good will that offers a bit of an uplift in spirit to the recipient. Women can walk up to each other and go "Ohh you look so pretty in that shirt!" or "Girrrrrl, you look GORGEOUS today!" and make the other girl all happy because hey, she just got complimented, how awesome is that!
If a guy walks up to another guy and says "Dude, you're looking rather handsome today," all of a sudden he's branded with various labels, no one talks to him at lunch, and his coworkers become uncomfortable around him. It's like guys are completely incapable of taking the same bits of positive reinforcement from their fellow man without turning it into an awkward situation.
Well, men and women have different roles and a different set of value systems. Culturaly, women are conditioned to care for their looks, men not so much. Because of this, it seems only natural that in order to promote bonding women will say "Girl, you look good!", they compliment their value system.
Men, don't usually have a value system based on looks, which is why seldom you'll see a man that says "you look good". We will compliment other things, like skills or possesions.
I'm sure that at one time or another, you've congratulated a man on how awesome his car is, or how good his skills at [insert game] is.
I tell guys they look good a lot, but usually its more a comment to a specific piece of clothing and not an overall comment. That and it's of course tempered with words like dude or sweet or awesome to assert my casual male appreciation that does not border into a sexual advance. Then I make them sign a release agreeing with my assertions of being comfortable with my sexuality. We then seal it with a fist bump.
Hahaha! Yeah, that's pretty much what the summer month's are like since they started with the summer internship program.
Like I said, I'll miss the suck up. I've never had anyone suck up to me before, it's an experience. He suddenly cares about everything I do. "I had a dream about boxes last night, because you told me that you liked them. It had excellent construction and rigidity"
Hey MT, what sort of intern program is it that you guys get such young interns as opposed to college age types? Am I wrong or are most of your interns still in High School?
Yeah, they are ages 14 - 21. It's a summer internship program for the employee's kids. We don't always get such young kids, usually the Marketing department gets someone with some sort of skill, or someone who is looking to go into advertising.
Last year, I got a 21 year old college student who studied design. I also hated him, then he left... now I think he's a great guy. If he worked with me again, I'd probably hate him
Hahaha! Yeah, that's pretty much what the summer month's are like since they started with the summer internship program.
Like I said, I'll miss the suck up. I've never had anyone suck up to me before, it's an experience. He suddenly cares about everything I do. "I had a dream about boxes last night, because you told me that you liked them. It had excellent construction and rigidity"
Yeah, I'll bet his dream about you had excellent construction and rigidity.
I can't afford to buy a new sketchbook, but I have some old 11x17 printer paper here. Would it be a good idea to make it out of that, even though printer paper is fairly thin and crappy?
I do a lot of my sketching on printer paper on a clipboard, works for me- one of the first things I did when I moved out to California was buy a big, 5000 sheet box of 8.5"x11" printer paper just so I'll always have something to draw on. It's cheap and unlike a lot of cheap sketchbooks, it doesn't have a ton of tooth to piss me off with.
If you're working with wet media, or doing very fine rendering that may require a lot of erasing it's not really going to hold up, but for quick pencil sketching it's fine. Just break out the bristol when you want to do something finished.
Hahaha! Yeah, that's pretty much what the summer month's are like since they started with the summer internship program.
Like I said, I'll miss the suck up. I've never had anyone suck up to me before, it's an experience. He suddenly cares about everything I do. "I had a dream about boxes last night, because you told me that you liked them. It had excellent construction and rigidity"
Yeah, I'll bet his dream about you had excellent construction and rigidity.
It is incredibly discouraging when even tiny little steps toward being more environmentally friendly are thwarted by unchecked idiocy. Hopefully this guy doesn't do any harm.
As a person who drives a car because most US cities and suburbs are designed in a way that the only practical use for a bike is to get exercise, rather than going to and from places you actually need to go, I'm no fan of cyclists- with their dumb cyclist clothes and wraparound sunglasses and going slow and not obeying the rules of the road and and always cycling on the painted line of the bike lane instead of the center, and liking to bike down 55 mph speed limit single lane double yellow line twisty roads with lots of blind corners and no bike lane and that you obviously had to have a car to get out here in the first place so don't tell me you're being green, but even I would say that characterizing the encouragement of bike use as an unconstitutional UN conspiracy may be a bit of a stretch.
Bacon, with sentences like that, you could just run everywhere.
Urgh, I have finally gotten my family to Virginia. Two 14 hour drives are 0 fun and incompetent moving truck unloaders even less so.
Tomorrow we pack up again and go to Omaha. At least this time the destination is a big ol' wedding.
As a person who drives a car because most US cities and suburbs are designed in a way that the only practical use for a bike is to get exercise, rather than going to and from places you actually need to go, I'm no fan of cyclists- with their dumb cyclist clothes and wraparound sunglasses and going slow and not obeying the rules of the road and and always cycling on the painted line of the bike lane instead of the center, and liking to bike down 55 mph speed limit single lane double yellow line twisty roads with lots of blind corners and no bike lane and that you obviously had to have a car to get out here in the first place so don't tell me you're being green, but even I would say that characterizing the encouragement of bike use as an unconstitutional UN conspiracy may be a bit of a stretch.
I saw a dude on the West side of Chicago going down a major road (left lane) on a long board. A LONG BOARD. What are these people thinking?
I'm glad it's going alright except for shitty movers Tam! Hopefully the wedding will be lots of fun : D
Yes, there will be all sorts of chemical stimulants there, I'm sure. But then I'm going to be living way far away from my family for the first time and that is going to suck as well as being exciting. (I'm flying back to San Antonio while my Dad drives the rest of the family back to Virginia).
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I really wish the term feminism hadn't somehow gotten conflated with misandry in the popular mindset somewhere along the line, because when people say this, it really confuses me- unless they are genuinely against the equal rights of women, which confuses me in the whole different way.
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There was one time where I got a really sweet armor set in an MMO...simply because I told somebody I was a girl...lol
Generally if there are asshats present, I just try to remove myself from the area.
Man, all this MMO talk makes me really, really want to play some WoW again. DAMN YOU, MONIES
Yeah... if you're for equal rights between men and women you're a feminist. But, like all things the most...... outspoken crowd ruins it for everyone else.
I just mean that I don't generally go parading around complaining about women "oppression" and the stereotypes against them. Because I'm fully aware of the double standards society holds against men. I'm much more grateful for what women do have rights for - it's a very, "beggars can't be choosers" sort of mindset.
edit: And I'm not against equal rights. I'm against women complaining about "rights" that men don't even have.
I think if I won the lottery I'd pay off my school loans first...not only to absolve all my debt, but to get my parents out of my life for a couple of years.
[edit] sorry, I'll leave now
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it makes me super glad that my parent(s) were super supportive of me and I like to think I've turned out fairly good and independent at a young age because of it
Women's studies fit in my schedule though.
I'm probably the most liberal out of any other males I know in real life, and absolutely believe in equal rights for men and women, obviously making exception for things of physical or biological differences.
I had to drop the class after 1 week.
Basically the entire class consists of x topic, and why the men of x topic are evil and oppressive, and how this relates to all men, and the culture at large. That in fact, I am directly responsible for their oppression because of my maleness.
It sucks too because it really is important shit but you have a teacher who is teaching her agenda fucking it over (she even wrote one of the assigned books)
Then you are a feminist! Thats all it means
I tried watching Lifetime once. I'm one of those oddball guys who doesn't mind watching a chick-liberation flick, but holy crap. They take it to the absurd extreme.
I think movies like The Net are a great example of how to treat women in movies. Sandra Bullock's interactions with the protagonists don't have much to do with gender. That her character is a woman is not essential to the plot (even the boat scene), and she's not all "abloobloo they're just ruining my life because I'm a woman and they think I'm weak." They're after her because they think she has information she's not supposed to have.
We don't have that special friendship, love, comfort, intimate thing and I envy you for that.
As for the feminist thing, I'd say the opposite of a feminist isn't one who keeps going on about how she's living in a mans world and has some sort of bias against men rather than believing in equal rights. But that's just how I think I guess.
If a guy walks up to another guy and says "Dude, you're looking rather handsome today," all of a sudden he's branded with various labels, no one talks to him at lunch, and his coworkers become uncomfortable around him. It's like guys are completely incapable of taking the same bits of positive reinforcement from their fellow man without turning it into an awkward situation.
Maybe accepting compliments from each other is connected to the "feminine" side of things, and most men aren't in touch with that part of themselves. We can't be bothered to talk about how we look with one another. Not when there are cars to rebuild from spare parts and frying pans to bend with our bare hands!!
Yeah, I feel you on this one.
NO HOMO, dog. Agreeing with a guy doesn't make me gay, right? :?
All kidding aside, I think that maybe men have these sorts of relationships for some sort of biological reason. But I do know that a lot of these ideas are helped along by social norms.
(For the record, what's with that no homo shit? Are guys really that insecure that they have to shout that out to prove that they don't like penis?)
But yeah I know what you mean.
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I once joined a random public L4D server once where a team of three other girls happened to be playing. I wish I had saved their names because they were really good, in that they worked together and talked a lot more than almost every team I've played with. The idea that 'girls don't play games' seems to me a really unfortunate self-fulfilling prophecy, because I have to say I really like running in to girls in online games, simply because they typically don't act the asshat as much.
Also, for every girl who likes something 'masculine' (note the commas) I'll bet you there are just as many guys who like something 'feminine'.
- "Holy crap, it's a female driver!! Quick, hug the walls!!"
- "We're through the looking glass, people!"
- "Hey, why couldn't Helen Keller drive a car?
... because she's a woman."
She actually put up with it pretty well and started dishing it right back. Particularly when she started winning.
Well, men and women have different roles and a different set of value systems. Culturaly, women are conditioned to care for their looks, men not so much. Because of this, it seems only natural that in order to promote bonding women will say "Girl, you look good!", they compliment their value system.
Men, don't usually have a value system based on looks, which is why seldom you'll see a man that says "you look good". We will compliment other things, like skills or possesions.
I'm sure that at one time or another, you've congratulated a man on how awesome his car is, or how good his skills at [insert game] is.
And your interns.
I'm sorry, Toaster, but everytime I see you now, I get this vivid image in my head. I had to draw it by mouse in MS Paint since I'm at work.
Like I said, I'll miss the suck up. I've never had anyone suck up to me before, it's an experience. He suddenly cares about everything I do. "I had a dream about boxes last night, because you told me that you liked them. It had excellent construction and rigidity"
Last year, I got a 21 year old college student who studied design. I also hated him, then he left... now I think he's a great guy. If he worked with me again, I'd probably hate him
As for feminism, I think people should just be excellent to one another. I compliment my friend all the time on his improving physique.
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Yeah, I'll bet his dream about you had excellent construction and rigidity.
Boners.
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Oh God, you're terrible!
It is incredibly discouraging when even tiny little steps toward being more environmentally friendly are thwarted by unchecked idiocy. Hopefully this guy doesn't do any harm.
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Urgh, I have finally gotten my family to Virginia. Two 14 hour drives are 0 fun and incompetent moving truck unloaders even less so.
Tomorrow we pack up again and go to Omaha. At least this time the destination is a big ol' wedding.
I saw a dude on the West side of Chicago going down a major road (left lane) on a long board. A LONG BOARD. What are these people thinking?
Or are they not?
Yes, there will be all sorts of chemical stimulants there, I'm sure. But then I'm going to be living way far away from my family for the first time and that is going to suck as well as being exciting. (I'm flying back to San Antonio while my Dad drives the rest of the family back to Virginia).
The apartment is very nice also.