Well... I deleted my very first character who had 38 hours played and was *really* screwy stats wise, even worse than my original MC build.
I'm currently about SL 40 into my new enhanced MC build... I do have the Meat Cleaver and a Lava Bow (while I wait to get my Dex higher). I need to make sure I put a few points into Int in the next few levels so I have enough mana to do a God's Wrath. I just finished 3-1 with one stupid death on the boss, I'm heading into 3-2 to grab the Ring of Avarice before I finish 2-3 to do the PWWT event there, then I'm going to turn it Pure Black and farm all the Crystal Lizards including the Nest, see what sorts of things I can get.
After that... I'm not entirely sure. I do wanna get the BBS made for this character too (might be spreading myself a bit thin I suppose), so I may blitz world 5 and grab Istarelle while I'm at it, the other weapon I want to have available. I haven't been able to get my Faith to 24 just yet, but once I get everything I want for equip stats, I'm going to start pumping Endurance finally. Eventually I want to wear the Old King's Armor!
Playing my BBS build, I forgot how god damn slow the Meat Cleaver is... and virtually no combo attacks, ugh. No matter, we'll see how it goes.
Yes it does. The two handed r1-r1-r1 all combos.
And if you knock them down you can easily land a two handed roll r1. Which rapes.
In fact in pve I usually just bait them to attack and roll r1 to one shot them. If I know they wont die from that, I'll try to land the one handed r2 on them.
I stopped using the cleaver after my mirdan hammer got to +5 though, since it did nearly the same damage and started stunning on hit.
The last two days I started on a spellsword. I really like it. It helps that I had a "witch" in mind for a female magic caster and got my hands on the threecornerhat straight away.
I love that hat.
Whereas when I jump onto my "god knight" build i have to stare at his ugly green armor. I was pretty disappointed with the look of the armors for the males. The only "shiny" armor is the knight one and that makes you look weeny. The non metal armors for males look pretty good though, thinking of making a thief just to run around in black leather with the mask n shit. NIIIIIINJA!
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Dark Silver Armour looks pretty good, I always thought.
It does but it's too heavy to wear. I could wear fluted at 40 stam.
I'm going to continue levelling the character I think, until I can wear the dark silver.
I'll use the build someone gave me to 120, then just keep levelling end until I can wear it. Then I'll be happy. I'm sure I'll still find some pvp.
Having fun on my spellsword though, at 51 I fought a bp in 3-3 who sat back with a shield and cast moving soul arrow on me while strafing all the time. MSA is so easy to dodge though, but I couldn't work out how to hit him with MY soul ray, since I'm still a newb.
Then I realised it's spellsword, ran up and whacked him until his shield was broken then cast soul ray in his face while he was stunned.
This build sure is fun.
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I killed him on sight as well, though I was kind of curious to see the bedlam in the Nexus after letting him live.
And, DS beaten. I'm disappointed, I can't change my class for NG+?
I also expected something a bit grander for the final battle. Ah well.
Class doesn't matter though. If you want to do other things you can just put levels in to different stats.
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I got my monks head wrappings.
I felt both horrible and elated when I beat the dude for them, because he was genuinely hard and I wasn't trying to go easy on him. I wanted the wrappings. I ended up killing him the same way a mage had killed my faith build previously: making him panic and try to heal, then blasting him repeatedly as he stood still.
Not that I'm going to use them very often because they detract from the whole witchy feel. Still, if I'm invaded, everything goes.
Has anyone ever tried to headbutt someone with the head wrappings on? It's hilarious.
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I felt both horrible and elated when I beat the dude for them, because he was genuinely hard and I wasn't trying to go easy on him. I wanted the wrappings. I ended up killing him the same way a mage had killed my faith build previously: making him panic and try to heal, then blasting him repeatedly as he stood still.
Not that I'm going to use them very often because they detract from the whole witchy feel. Still, if I'm invaded, everything goes.
Has anyone ever tried to headbutt someone with the head wrappings on? It's hilarious.
Man I got my wrappings the other day - I don't invade often but I genuinely wanted them for the additional magic bonus. I must've broke some rule of etiquette thought because when I ate some grass and jumped from half health back to full he just stood still and let me wail on him. I felt bad but then I ran around in my kickass new hat and felt okay.
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I felt both horrible and elated when I beat the dude for them, because he was genuinely hard and I wasn't trying to go easy on him. I wanted the wrappings. I ended up killing him the same way a mage had killed my faith build previously: making him panic and try to heal, then blasting him repeatedly as he stood still.
Not that I'm going to use them very often because they detract from the whole witchy feel. Still, if I'm invaded, everything goes.
Has anyone ever tried to headbutt someone with the head wrappings on? It's hilarious.
Man I got my wrappings the other day - I don't invade often but I genuinely wanted them for the additional magic bonus. I must've broke some rule of etiquette thought because when I ate some grass and jumped from half health back to full he just stood still and let me wail on him. I felt bad but then I ran around in my kickass new hat and felt okay.
No, that wasn't etiquette, you just broke the poor kid's heart
I felt both horrible and elated when I beat the dude for them, because he was genuinely hard and I wasn't trying to go easy on him. I wanted the wrappings. I ended up killing him the same way a mage had killed my faith build previously: making him panic and try to heal, then blasting him repeatedly as he stood still.
Not that I'm going to use them very often because they detract from the whole witchy feel. Still, if I'm invaded, everything goes.
Has anyone ever tried to headbutt someone with the head wrappings on? It's hilarious.
Man I got my wrappings the other day - I don't invade often but I genuinely wanted them for the additional magic bonus. I must've broke some rule of etiquette thought because when I ate some grass and jumped from half health back to full he just stood still and let me wail on him. I felt bad but then I ran around in my kickass new hat and felt okay.
No, that wasn't etiquette, you just broke the poor kid's heart
Now I feel shitty again, but at least that means I'm not a corrupted soul yet.
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I felt both horrible and elated when I beat the dude for them, because he was genuinely hard and I wasn't trying to go easy on him. I wanted the wrappings. I ended up killing him the same way a mage had killed my faith build previously: making him panic and try to heal, then blasting him repeatedly as he stood still.
Not that I'm going to use them very often because they detract from the whole witchy feel. Still, if I'm invaded, everything goes.
Has anyone ever tried to headbutt someone with the head wrappings on? It's hilarious.
Man I got my wrappings the other day - I don't invade often but I genuinely wanted them for the additional magic bonus. I must've broke some rule of etiquette thought because when I ate some grass and jumped from half health back to full he just stood still and let me wail on him. I felt bad but then I ran around in my kickass new hat and felt okay.
No, that wasn't etiquette, you just broke the poor kid's heart
The AI npc will eat a moon grass though.
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Ugh, brief break but I'm just finishing up about 4 hours, roughly 345 Reaper farming runs... will have 2.5M souls. This is with the character I started yesterday who is SL 78 right at the moment. He's what I'll call my disillusioned Meat Cleaver versatility build.
Honestly, the Meat Cleaver isn't as great as I remembered it being... especially not after playing around with the BBS. Istarelle wasn't that great either, though I then remembered that it could actually be upgraded, so I have it up to +3 so far. My Knight's Shield is +8 and I have a problem getting enough Chunks of Hardstone to finish it up. Though considering I had to make a +7 Bow and a +8 Short Sword for my Morion Blade, I'm surprised I got enough chunks to go that far.
Anyway, with my 2.5M souls I'm going to finish getting Endurance to 40, Vit to at least 20, then pump Luck to 15 (or 20) and see what I have left from there, mostly in preparation to grab the BBS soon for this character as well. Though because of this development, this character is going to turn out very similarly to my female BBS character that I started earlier in the week. Might boost Magic from 18 to 24 to be able to wield the Epee too, I'm not sure yet.
Edit: Oh, for some reason, at PBWT on world 4 with a Ring of Avarice on, my male character is getting 8.2k per reaper kill instead of the 7.5k I expected, based on the one time I accidently killed a reaper on my female character without the Ring of Avarice on (but with the Silver Bracelets on), very strange.
And farming done... man, 2.5M just looks insane down in the counter there. It took me from SL 78 to 119. Even 2.5M couldn't get me to 120! So I popped back into 4-2 to kill the Reaper a few more times because I was really close to the 90k I needed for one more level. I noticed it taking slightly longer than I expected, next kill I watched and the Reaper only gave 5.5k... god dammit, the game shifted my world 4 back to neutral, even though I had *just* come out of it at Pure Black. Argh.
Also, is the PWWT event done? Because I noticed my worlds aren't going to Pure White anymore. Particularly World 1, despite being Pure White after I killed Phalanx, it has since shifted to +2 and the gate is no longer open. So I have to wait until I take out Tower Knight before I can go kill Miralda.
Ah well, I'm going to go ahead and do 5-2 and then 5-3, get my BBS made for this character. I'm gonna kill Garl the right way to be able to do the PWWT event with Selen. I know last time I did this (with my first MC character), the Meat Cleaver was key to destroying his ass, knockdowns and such.
I'm going to try Istarelle for 5-2, see how the Poison Resist multiplier helps... my Poison Resistance right now is... 649 with Istarelle at +3.
So now that I'm SL 120, my stats are:
Vit 25
Int 24 (I wanted the 4th spell slot to prepare myself for BP Skeleton farming in 4-3, since it's recommended you take Cloak along with Soulsucker)
End 40
Str 26
Dex 23 (so far)
Mag 18
Fai 24
Luc 20
Not too bad, vicious stat spread still I suppose, but I'm reasonably happy with it. According to the Meat Cleaver being equipped, I actually get slightly more AP per point with my next Strength point than my next Dex point (5 as opposed to 4). Still not sure I'll raise Strength any further though.
BBS is made, finished 1-2, 1-3 and most of 1-4. Went back and took out Miralda... used the Meat Cleaver for that. The Crystal Lizards in 1-4 were nice enough to give me a lot of chunks of hardstone, so I was able to finish getting my Knight's Shield to +10, woot!
Went back to the beginning in 1-1 and killed the Old King to get my armor. One thing I definitely underestimated was my overall item capacity when carrying so many different types of weapons... and heavier armor too.
Aside from that, being able to swap weapons to fit the situation and use all of them pretty well is neat. I got Istarelle up to +4, need one more Colorless... Oh, I went back into 5-3 just now and killed BP Garl, didn't use the Meat Cleaver since that's what I used to kill his body form originally, with hyper mode at that. This time I used the BBS, Light Weapon originally, no hyper mode. The difference was pretty staggering, I could only hit him for about 55 damage, 85 per hit while Light Weapon was up. I'm guessing that's because of his dark silver armor set.
Still, I liked how the fight went, very stick and move, baiting him into a swing of Bramd and then darting in with an R2 before backing off again. With the KS +10 I could easily block it and even when I didn't block it and got hit, it could do that much to me... over leveled I suppose.
When I went back into 5-2 to give the crest to Selen, I put Istarelle back on and this time put on one of my Poison Resistance rings... which shot my Poison Resist up to 2300. I could basically drink the stuff at that point... I didn't get poisoned once on my way to her. As I still need to clean up the pool area in 5-3, I tried the Disease Resist ring, which put my Disease Resist up to 1500 with Istarelle... might be enough I suppose. The main thing is just getting rid of those damn babies. I'm figuring I'll just go hyper mode and one shot them with my Lava Bow.
So now I've got the boss of 3-2, then 3-3 and finally to finish 1-4.
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You know you kind of play how I plan to play, but I inevitably get bored doing one thing for too long and go do something else in the middle. Like I stop soul farming and go kill some shamans or do some blue phantom runs with people.
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So I took my mage, who is now somewhere in the 80's SL-wise, into NG+ last night. Fun times. Now that her Int is at 41 and her Magic is at 40, I'm going to spend some time putting points into Vitality. Before I finished 1-3 and 1-4 I completed the Mephistopheles quests, so I got enough colorless demon souls to finish my Adjudicators Shield, now I only need to upgrade my Kris Knife. I also got my Talisman of Beasts thank goodness!
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Hehe.
I ended up accidentally making Blige hostile after being jumped in 4-1. I foolishly swung my uchigata too close to him, so he started whacking me in the back and the phantom had an easy time of it.
So I was forced to come back and annihilate him.
Given that I've done that I decided what the hey and killed that blue soul guy and am gonna go hunt down some of those useless merchants.*
*Useless to my spellsword anyway.
Once the ball has started rolling....
I'll get to white again by hanging out in 1-4 and killing BP. Not gonna finish 1-4 until I'm done with everything else in the game.
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Better than expected work bonuses led to me picking up a ps3 earlier than the holidays (read: Saturday).
I managed to track down a copy of DS after only having to go to a few gamestops. Enjoying the crap out of it so far.
I started as a Soldier, around soul level 14 now. I managed to get all the way to the tower knight before dying, now I can't get back to him of course (that mob of archers + 2 blue eye knights right before him are ripping me up).
I have a few questions I wasn't able to answer after looking at the wiki's.
What kind of stat distribution should I look at for a sword/shield guy? Right now I have been doing end and vit with a bit of strength. Do I need to worry about the other stats much?
Are there any miracles/spells that are *must haves* for the above mentioned playing style?
Strength and Dex will help with damage depending on the sword you want to use. End and Vit are both really good to have on melee characters, so you can't really go wrong there.
Spell/Miracle-wise, if you want to put some points in to faith Second Chance and Anti-Magic Field are both good. If you want to put points in to Magic then Warding is good. Ignite or Fire Spray might also be good for a melee build. Certainly something like Flame Toss could never hurt for killing Crystal Lizards and such.
You know you kind of play how I plan to play, but I inevitably get bored doing one thing for too long and go do something else in the middle. Like I stop soul farming and go kill some shamans or do some blue phantom runs with people.
Hah, what do you mean, starting two characters in the last 5 days and getting them both to SL 110+ yet never having beaten the game before?
I haven't really gotten into the multiplayer part of things at all, to be honest. Never have. So I haven't done any blue phantoming or anything, despite having the game since launch.
Better than expected work bonuses led to me picking up a ps3 earlier than the holidays (read: Saturday).
I managed to track down a copy of DS after only having to go to a few gamestops. Enjoying the crap out of it so far.
I started as a Soldier, around soul level 14 now. I managed to get all the way to the tower knight before dying, now I can't get back to him of course (that mob of archers + 2 blue eye knights right before him are ripping me up).
I have a few questions I wasn't able to answer after looking at the wiki's.
What kind of stat distribution should I look at for a sword/shield guy? Right now I have been doing end and vit with a bit of strength. Do I need to worry about the other stats much?
Are there any miracles/spells that are *must haves* for the above mentioned playing style?
Grats on the PS3 and Demon's Souls, glad you're enjoying it. It's a great game, rather unique in how it goes about what it does.
Keep in mind that you don't have to finish the areas in any order, so you don't have to head into 1-2, try out other levels.
As far as character builds well... depends on the type of sword you want to go for, there are Strength based Swords and Dex based Swords (basically). Some Strength will be necessary for shields, the Purple Flame Shield requires 22 Str to wield correctly, for instance.
For any melee build you eventually want at least 40 Endurance. Vitality is one of the last things I ever level, mostly because I'm familiar enough with the game that extra health doesn't really help me very often. Either I'm getting one shot or I'm not getting hit... typically, not always true, I'm not that good.
As for spells/miracles, Second Chance is a *really* good miracle, and you need at least 100 MP to cast it, which means you'll need 15 Intellect eventually, and 18 Faith for the 2 slots to be able to equip the spell. Warding is a pretty good spell too, reduces all physical damage taken by 90% for 40 seconds or something like that. You have to have at least 10 Magic to be able to train spells and 10 to be able to train miracles, but since you need 18 anyway for the miracle slots, you're already taken care of if you decide to go that way.
I'm having a good deal of trouble with 1-4's boss. He just doesn't take much damage, and I'm not skilled enough to dodge/block flawlessly for as long as the fight draws out. My strategy is to raise my damage output and endurance to try and end the fight more quickly.
Ostrava's whole arc is a little sad. Not exactly what I expected from this game, in a good way.
Not what you expected? The whole game is bleak as hell. It is not a happy game.
As for the 1-4 boss. Yeah, he's a bitch. Even raising your stats alot won't help a whole lot (unless they are really low to begin with, depends on what level you are). You might try going in your Body and bringing some Blue Phantoms. He's alot easier with 2 buddies pounding on him.
Also, fire seems to help some. He's got good resistance, but fire damage still manages to interrupt his AOE and some of his other skills.
Anyone every played a pure melee, heavy armor using character? I played through using a nimble, spear using character and I can't imagine not being able to dodge and roll.
Hmm... I'm not sure I got that from the last part. I thought he was just worn out and dying getting as far as he did. But maybe you're right.
God, when I did 1-3 last night, he *almost* died in the ambush outside the portcullis because after I opened it, he got cornered by all three enemies and was getting gangraped. I got a good heavy hit on all of them with the Meat Cleaver, which turned them around to face me for a moment, letting him slip through and go hide in the corner.
Honestly, he didn't strike me as that great a fighter. Being trapped the dreglings, then dreglings and wolves, and finally two red eyes and a normal axe guy? That he made it to the end of 1-4 is no less than amazing, it wouldn't surprise me if that took all he had.
Edit: Minor spoiler from right after that event on the steps:
His BP is a fucking bastard though. He killed me last night in my first 1-4 run killing the dragon. Because I was still in Hyper Mode and I wasn't using the DSS... I forgot his Rune Sword has magic damage that goes through normal shields and he killed me. Whoops. That's what I get for being cute.
Random note, but just to mess around, when I got to Penetrator last night, I went full Hyper Mode with the Meat Cleaver. I was hitting Penetrator for about 738 per hit, he barely survived two swings, third killed him. I laughed. I can't imagine how insane it would be with Light Weapon up too...
Oh, and when I was clearing 1-2, I went Hyper Mode for the dragon (I couldn't figure out how to time it to hit him with poison cloud), and afterwards I was curious so I ran back to 1-1 and backstabbed one of the starting dreglings, for 1665 damage.
Anyone every played a pure melee, heavy armor using character? I played through using a nimble, spear using character and I can't imagine not being able to dodge and roll.
From what I understand, armor is pretty lackluster come NG+ anyway. Being able to dodge roll is much more important. Which I suppose makes it a bit funny that I even bothered to get the Old King's armor near the end of my game... I may end up just wearing the Black Leather after I get sick of the Old King's stuff. Doesn't exactly fit the asthetic I suppose, but eh. Fluted looks pretty awesome, it's just so heavy, big stamina penalty and all... too many drawbacks for the meager protection the heavier armors give.
Anyone every played a pure melee, heavy armor using character? I played through using a nimble, spear using character and I can't imagine not being able to dodge and roll.
I did. I used a tower shield and fully upgraded spear. It wasn't really that much fun.
That just reminds me of last night when I got to the 3 BPs at the beginning of 1-4, that last fucker with the Tower Shield and Scraping Spear. I got out the Meat Cleaver to see if I could guard break or knock him down... no real luck, I took a few hits. But I poisoned him with poison cloud and he got stuck against some debris and a column... so I got to stand and watch him slowly die in front of me with grim satisfaction.
The 2nd BP, the archer, acts really weird. When I got him really low on health, he started charging up to me... still with his bow out. So I shot him in the face and killed him. Good job, buddy.
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Anyone every played a pure melee, heavy armor using character? I played through using a nimble, spear using character and I can't imagine not being able to dodge and roll.
From what I understand, armor is pretty lackluster come NG+ anyway. Being able to dodge roll is much more important. Which I suppose makes it a bit funny that I even bothered to get the Old King's armor near the end of my game... I may end up just wearing the Black Leather after I get sick of the Old King's stuff. Doesn't exactly fit the asthetic I suppose, but eh. Fluted looks pretty awesome, it's just so heavy, big stamina penalty and all... too many drawbacks for the meager protection the heavier armors give.
So for play through 1 should I just go for leather or something to get used to dodge rolling? I don't use dodge roll now as with plate it seems kinda ineffective when compared to just circle strafing or blocking.
Hmm... I'm not sure I got that from the last part. I thought he was just worn out and dying getting as far as he did. But maybe you're right.
God, when I did 1-3 last night, he *almost* died in the ambush outside the portcullis because after I opened it, he got cornered by all three enemies and was getting gangraped. I got a good heavy hit on all of them with the Meat Cleaver, which turned them around to face me for a moment, letting him slip through and go hide in the corner.
Honestly, he didn't strike me as that great a fighter. Being trapped the dreglings, then dreglings and wolves, and finally two red eyes and a normal axe guy? That he made it to the end of 1-4 is no less than amazing, it wouldn't surprise me if that took all he had.
Edit: Minor spoiler from right after that event on the steps:
His BP is a fucking bastard though. He killed me last night in my first 1-4 run killing the dragon. Because I was still in Hyper Mode and I wasn't using the DSS... I forgot his Rune Sword has magic damage that goes through normal shields and he killed me. Whoops. That's what I get for being cute.
He didn't seem to me to be that stupendous of a combatant either, but fact is he made it through world one. It might be that he "whithered away" though from the effort, as you say, and the truth of his father was enough to finish him.
I figured discovering that his father was behind it all, or at least what an evil bastard the False King is, broke his spirit.
But suicide is just par for the course when it comes to this game. According to ingame vague mentions there is no god, only the Old One. Or at least that humans are mistakenly worshipping the Old One. And level 5-3? Yeah, thats were they dump their abortions and stillbirths.
Anyone every played a pure melee, heavy armor using character? I played through using a nimble, spear using character and I can't imagine not being able to dodge and roll.
From what I understand, armor is pretty lackluster come NG+ anyway. Being able to dodge roll is much more important. Which I suppose makes it a bit funny that I even bothered to get the Old King's armor near the end of my game... I may end up just wearing the Black Leather after I get sick of the Old King's stuff. Doesn't exactly fit the asthetic I suppose, but eh. Fluted looks pretty awesome, it's just so heavy, big stamina penalty and all... too many drawbacks for the meager protection the heavier armors give.
So for play through 1 should I just go for leather or something to get used to dodge rolling? I don't use dodge roll now as with plate it seems kinda ineffective when compared to just circle strafing or blocking.
Two key things for melee fighting are typically a good shield with high GuardRes and dodge rolling. Armor itself is fairly meh, a shield is a much bigger part of your defense. Well, and your actual defense stat once you get to a high SL.
He didn't seem to me to be that stupendous of a combatant either, but fact is he made it through world one. It might be that he "whithered away" though from the effort, as you say, and the truth of his father was enough to finish him.
I'm not entirely sure what you're supposed to read into that... yeah, he made it through world 1, but only after the player kills the boss demons, and other various things for him.
I mean, it's not like Biorr, who is a crazy badass... just lazy. He straight up fights the Penetrator toe to toe, and stupidly tries attacking a dragon on a wall from very bad spots with a damn crossbow.
Ostrava is presented... strangely, as I said, he's kept at bay by a pack of dreglings, and even if you save him, he goes running off and can get himself killed against blue eyed knights and such later. It's not that he's not brave (or foolhardy), he just doesn't necessarily have the skill to back it up.
He seems like a well kitted out prince... which he is, I suppose.
Brings to mind how in the *hell* he possibly gets through the first part of 1-4 with the BPs and the few Red-eyed Knights. Obviously the dragon doesn't show up until later... I'm just not sure how you're supposed to view how some NPCs get around ahead of you, through enemies at that.
I figured discovering that his father was behind it all, or at least what an evil bastard the False King is, broke his spirit.
But suicide is just par for the course when it comes to this game. According to ingame vague mentions there is no god, only the Old One. Or at least that humans are mistakenly worshipping the Old One. And level 5-3? Yeah, thats were they dump their abortions and stillbirths.
Charming game, no?
The mention of 5-3 reminds me, after I met with Selen for the PWWT event, she mentions how her brother is the guardian knight of the Maiden traveling through these lands. When you complete the event she laments that
perhaps their hearts were too pure. Which seems like an odd thing to say. But even still, her brother never seems like he was corrupted... he was still just defending Maiden Astraea. The Maiden herself seems, distraught perhaps? Sitting on the edge of the disease blood lake with her pure white gown soaking up the blood. That she doesn't even fight back is always creepy, just heals herself a few times.
For that matter, it seems to bring up an inconsistency related to Ostrava in 1-4?
If Ostrava does commit suicide, and that causes him to become a Black Phantom... then what's with Garl? If you kill the Maiden instead of him, and reload, he 'suicides' automatically for failing to protect his charge. But if he suicides, it ends the PWWT event, Selen disappears and BP Garl won't show up.
I figured discovering that his father was behind it all, or at least what an evil bastard the False King is, broke his spirit.
But suicide is just par for the course when it comes to this game. According to ingame vague mentions there is no god, only the Old One. Or at least that humans are mistakenly worshipping the Old One. And level 5-3? Yeah, thats were they dump their abortions and stillbirths.
Charming game, no?
The mention of 5-3 reminds me, after I met with Selen for the PWWT event, she mentions how her brother is the guardian knight of the Maiden traveling through these lands. When you complete the event she laments that
perhaps their hearts were too pure. Which seems like an odd thing to say. But even still, her brother never seems like he was corrupted... he was still just defending Maiden Astraea. The Maiden herself seems, distraught perhaps? Sitting on the edge of the disease blood lake with her pure white gown soaking up the blood. That she doesn't even fight back is always creepy, just heals herself a few times.
For that matter, it seems to bring up an inconsistency related to Ostrava in 1-4?
If Ostrava does commit suicide, and that causes him to become a Black Phantom... then what's with Garl? If you kill the Maiden instead of him, and reload, he 'suicides' automatically for failing to protect his charge. But if he suicides, it ends the PWWT event, Selen disappears and BP Garl won't show up.
Strange.
I had gathered that world 5 was a place of aborted infants and/or stillborns. I think the Filthy Woman is actually a guilty mother and if you don't buy anything she implores you to think of the children (which are more likely than not aborted).
God dammit I hate those fucking babies. I've gotta go in there tonight and clean out the treasure/crystal lizard... hyper mode Lava Bow one-shotting those little bastards before I even set foot in there.
The plague is pretty vicious though, I'm wondering how long the 1500 disease resist will actually last me in there.
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BarcardiAll the WizardsUnder A Rock: AfganistanRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
What the heck is this hyper mode you keep mentioning?
A word on the plague babies, they are infinitely re-spawning.
You also usually carry around something like the Magic Sword Makoto in order to lower your health to danger levels whenever you want.
And no, they aren't infinitely respawning. On my original BBS character the other day I went in there, killed all the plague babies and ran around in the lake of blood all I wanted without being hassled.
They're just bastards and hard to keep track of because they keep doing their dive 'teleport' thing.
Which is why I intend to hyper mode them, because then I'll kill them each in one shot and I won't have to worry about them diving and losing track of them. When I did it on my previous character, it was taking me two shots to kill them... such a pain.
Anyone every played a pure melee, heavy armor using character? I played through using a nimble, spear using character and I can't imagine not being able to dodge and roll.
I did. I used a tower shield and fully upgraded spear. It wasn't really that much fun.
Whereas I have one build with a Tower Shield and Bramd who is tremendous fun, if very hit-and-miss in PvP.
My god, you must've pumped Endurance like crazy or were the slowest, clunkiest warrior ever.
Or had that equip weight ring as a permanent part of your inventory anyway.
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Garret Dorigan"Why can't I be DLC for UMvC3?"Registered Userregular
edited August 2010
RE: Armor
For the most bang for your buck, the only armor that should be worn is Ancient King's with the Black Leather Mask for males, and Binded with the Black Leather Mask for females. All other armor has stamina penalties associated with it, meaning it takes longer to recoup your stamina, or (In the case of Rogue's, Shaman's, and Wizard's, the other three armor sets with no stamina loss.) are outclassed in stats.
In reality though, wear what you want. The stamina 'loss' from other items is miniscule, and in fact you can barely notice the difference between 39 stamina (0 stamina penalty) and 32 stamina (Full Brushwood's 10 stamina penalty) per second regen. The difference between the two is 9/10ths of a second to recover a full stamina bar at max stamina. One second more isn't much of a difference, and it's obviously lessened by wearing different pieces other than Brushwood. Brushwood is just the extreme.
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Yes it does. The two handed r1-r1-r1 all combos.
And if you knock them down you can easily land a two handed roll r1. Which rapes.
In fact in pve I usually just bait them to attack and roll r1 to one shot them. If I know they wont die from that, I'll try to land the one handed r2 on them.
I stopped using the cleaver after my mirdan hammer got to +5 though, since it did nearly the same damage and started stunning on hit.
The last two days I started on a spellsword. I really like it. It helps that I had a "witch" in mind for a female magic caster and got my hands on the threecornerhat straight away.
I love that hat.
Whereas when I jump onto my "god knight" build i have to stare at his ugly green armor. I was pretty disappointed with the look of the armors for the males. The only "shiny" armor is the knight one and that makes you look weeny. The non metal armors for males look pretty good though, thinking of making a thief just to run around in black leather with the mask n shit. NIIIIIINJA!
It does but it's too heavy to wear. I could wear fluted at 40 stam.
I'm going to continue levelling the character I think, until I can wear the dark silver.
I'll use the build someone gave me to 120, then just keep levelling end until I can wear it. Then I'll be happy. I'm sure I'll still find some pvp.
Having fun on my spellsword though, at 51 I fought a bp in 3-3 who sat back with a shield and cast moving soul arrow on me while strafing all the time. MSA is so easy to dodge though, but I couldn't work out how to hit him with MY soul ray, since I'm still a newb.
Then I realised it's spellsword, ran up and whacked him until his shield was broken then cast soul ray in his face while he was stunned.
Class doesn't matter though. If you want to do other things you can just put levels in to different stats.
I felt both horrible and elated when I beat the dude for them, because he was genuinely hard and I wasn't trying to go easy on him. I wanted the wrappings. I ended up killing him the same way a mage had killed my faith build previously: making him panic and try to heal, then blasting him repeatedly as he stood still.
Not that I'm going to use them very often because they detract from the whole witchy feel. Still, if I'm invaded, everything goes.
Has anyone ever tried to headbutt someone with the head wrappings on? It's hilarious.
Man I got my wrappings the other day - I don't invade often but I genuinely wanted them for the additional magic bonus. I must've broke some rule of etiquette thought because when I ate some grass and jumped from half health back to full he just stood still and let me wail on him. I felt bad but then I ran around in my kickass new hat and felt okay.
No, that wasn't etiquette, you just broke the poor kid's heart
Now I feel shitty again, but at least that means I'm not a corrupted soul yet.
The AI npc will eat a moon grass though.
Honestly, the Meat Cleaver isn't as great as I remembered it being... especially not after playing around with the BBS. Istarelle wasn't that great either, though I then remembered that it could actually be upgraded, so I have it up to +3 so far. My Knight's Shield is +8 and I have a problem getting enough Chunks of Hardstone to finish it up. Though considering I had to make a +7 Bow and a +8 Short Sword for my Morion Blade, I'm surprised I got enough chunks to go that far.
Anyway, with my 2.5M souls I'm going to finish getting Endurance to 40, Vit to at least 20, then pump Luck to 15 (or 20) and see what I have left from there, mostly in preparation to grab the BBS soon for this character as well. Though because of this development, this character is going to turn out very similarly to my female BBS character that I started earlier in the week. Might boost Magic from 18 to 24 to be able to wield the Epee too, I'm not sure yet.
Edit: Oh, for some reason, at PBWT on world 4 with a Ring of Avarice on, my male character is getting 8.2k per reaper kill instead of the 7.5k I expected, based on the one time I accidently killed a reaper on my female character without the Ring of Avarice on (but with the Silver Bracelets on), very strange.
Also, is the PWWT event done? Because I noticed my worlds aren't going to Pure White anymore. Particularly World 1, despite being Pure White after I killed Phalanx, it has since shifted to +2 and the gate is no longer open. So I have to wait until I take out Tower Knight before I can go kill Miralda.
Ah well, I'm going to go ahead and do 5-2 and then 5-3, get my BBS made for this character. I'm gonna kill Garl the right way to be able to do the PWWT event with Selen. I know last time I did this (with my first MC character), the Meat Cleaver was key to destroying his ass, knockdowns and such.
I'm going to try Istarelle for 5-2, see how the Poison Resist multiplier helps... my Poison Resistance right now is... 649 with Istarelle at +3.
So now that I'm SL 120, my stats are:
Vit 25
Int 24 (I wanted the 4th spell slot to prepare myself for BP Skeleton farming in 4-3, since it's recommended you take Cloak along with Soulsucker)
End 40
Str 26
Dex 23 (so far)
Mag 18
Fai 24
Luc 20
Not too bad, vicious stat spread still I suppose, but I'm reasonably happy with it. According to the Meat Cleaver being equipped, I actually get slightly more AP per point with my next Strength point than my next Dex point (5 as opposed to 4). Still not sure I'll raise Strength any further though.
Went back to the beginning in 1-1 and killed the Old King to get my armor. One thing I definitely underestimated was my overall item capacity when carrying so many different types of weapons... and heavier armor too.
Aside from that, being able to swap weapons to fit the situation and use all of them pretty well is neat. I got Istarelle up to +4, need one more Colorless... Oh, I went back into 5-3 just now and killed BP Garl, didn't use the Meat Cleaver since that's what I used to kill his body form originally, with hyper mode at that. This time I used the BBS, Light Weapon originally, no hyper mode. The difference was pretty staggering, I could only hit him for about 55 damage, 85 per hit while Light Weapon was up. I'm guessing that's because of his dark silver armor set.
Still, I liked how the fight went, very stick and move, baiting him into a swing of Bramd and then darting in with an R2 before backing off again. With the KS +10 I could easily block it and even when I didn't block it and got hit, it could do that much to me... over leveled I suppose.
When I went back into 5-2 to give the crest to Selen, I put Istarelle back on and this time put on one of my Poison Resistance rings... which shot my Poison Resist up to 2300. I could basically drink the stuff at that point... I didn't get poisoned once on my way to her. As I still need to clean up the pool area in 5-3, I tried the Disease Resist ring, which put my Disease Resist up to 1500 with Istarelle... might be enough I suppose. The main thing is just getting rid of those damn babies. I'm figuring I'll just go hyper mode and one shot them with my Lava Bow.
So now I've got the boss of 3-2, then 3-3 and finally to finish 1-4.
I ended up accidentally making Blige hostile after being jumped in 4-1. I foolishly swung my uchigata too close to him, so he started whacking me in the back and the phantom had an easy time of it.
So I was forced to come back and annihilate him.
Given that I've done that I decided what the hey and killed that blue soul guy and am gonna go hunt down some of those useless merchants.*
*Useless to my spellsword anyway.
Once the ball has started rolling....
I'll get to white again by hanging out in 1-4 and killing BP. Not gonna finish 1-4 until I'm done with everything else in the game.
I managed to track down a copy of DS after only having to go to a few gamestops. Enjoying the crap out of it so far.
I started as a Soldier, around soul level 14 now. I managed to get all the way to the tower knight before dying, now I can't get back to him of course (that mob of archers + 2 blue eye knights right before him are ripping me up).
I have a few questions I wasn't able to answer after looking at the wiki's.
What kind of stat distribution should I look at for a sword/shield guy? Right now I have been doing end and vit with a bit of strength. Do I need to worry about the other stats much?
Are there any miracles/spells that are *must haves* for the above mentioned playing style?
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Spell/Miracle-wise, if you want to put some points in to faith Second Chance and Anti-Magic Field are both good. If you want to put points in to Magic then Warding is good. Ignite or Fire Spray might also be good for a melee build. Certainly something like Flame Toss could never hurt for killing Crystal Lizards and such.
Hah, what do you mean, starting two characters in the last 5 days and getting them both to SL 110+ yet never having beaten the game before?
I haven't really gotten into the multiplayer part of things at all, to be honest. Never have. So I haven't done any blue phantoming or anything, despite having the game since launch.
Grats on the PS3 and Demon's Souls, glad you're enjoying it. It's a great game, rather unique in how it goes about what it does.
Keep in mind that you don't have to finish the areas in any order, so you don't have to head into 1-2, try out other levels.
As far as character builds well... depends on the type of sword you want to go for, there are Strength based Swords and Dex based Swords (basically). Some Strength will be necessary for shields, the Purple Flame Shield requires 22 Str to wield correctly, for instance.
For any melee build you eventually want at least 40 Endurance. Vitality is one of the last things I ever level, mostly because I'm familiar enough with the game that extra health doesn't really help me very often. Either I'm getting one shot or I'm not getting hit... typically, not always true, I'm not that good.
As for spells/miracles, Second Chance is a *really* good miracle, and you need at least 100 MP to cast it, which means you'll need 15 Intellect eventually, and 18 Faith for the 2 slots to be able to equip the spell. Warding is a pretty good spell too, reduces all physical damage taken by 90% for 40 seconds or something like that. You have to have at least 10 Magic to be able to train spells and 10 to be able to train miracles, but since you need 18 anyway for the miracle slots, you're already taken care of if you decide to go that way.
As for the 1-4 boss. Yeah, he's a bitch. Even raising your stats alot won't help a whole lot (unless they are really low to begin with, depends on what level you are). You might try going in your Body and bringing some Blue Phantoms. He's alot easier with 2 buddies pounding on him.
Also, fire seems to help some. He's got good resistance, but fire damage still manages to interrupt his AOE and some of his other skills.
I gathered. I mean...that's bleak.
Hmm... I'm not sure I got that from the last part. I thought he was just worn out and dying getting as far as he did. But maybe you're right.
God, when I did 1-3 last night, he *almost* died in the ambush outside the portcullis because after I opened it, he got cornered by all three enemies and was getting gangraped. I got a good heavy hit on all of them with the Meat Cleaver, which turned them around to face me for a moment, letting him slip through and go hide in the corner.
Honestly, he didn't strike me as that great a fighter. Being trapped the dreglings, then dreglings and wolves, and finally two red eyes and a normal axe guy? That he made it to the end of 1-4 is no less than amazing, it wouldn't surprise me if that took all he had.
Edit: Minor spoiler from right after that event on the steps:
Random note, but just to mess around, when I got to Penetrator last night, I went full Hyper Mode with the Meat Cleaver. I was hitting Penetrator for about 738 per hit, he barely survived two swings, third killed him. I laughed. I can't imagine how insane it would be with Light Weapon up too...
Oh, and when I was clearing 1-2, I went Hyper Mode for the dragon (I couldn't figure out how to time it to hit him with poison cloud), and afterwards I was curious so I ran back to 1-1 and backstabbed one of the starting dreglings, for 1665 damage.
From what I understand, armor is pretty lackluster come NG+ anyway. Being able to dodge roll is much more important. Which I suppose makes it a bit funny that I even bothered to get the Old King's armor near the end of my game... I may end up just wearing the Black Leather after I get sick of the Old King's stuff. Doesn't exactly fit the asthetic I suppose, but eh. Fluted looks pretty awesome, it's just so heavy, big stamina penalty and all... too many drawbacks for the meager protection the heavier armors give.
I did. I used a tower shield and fully upgraded spear. It wasn't really that much fun.
The 2nd BP, the archer, acts really weird. When I got him really low on health, he started charging up to me... still with his bow out. So I shot him in the face and killed him. Good job, buddy.
So for play through 1 should I just go for leather or something to get used to dodge rolling? I don't use dodge roll now as with plate it seems kinda ineffective when compared to just circle strafing or blocking.
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He didn't seem to me to be that stupendous of a combatant either, but fact is he made it through world one. It might be that he "whithered away" though from the effort, as you say, and the truth of his father was enough to finish him.
That's how I always took it.
But suicide is just par for the course when it comes to this game. According to ingame vague mentions there is no god, only the Old One. Or at least that humans are mistakenly worshipping the Old One. And level 5-3? Yeah, thats were they dump their abortions and stillbirths.
Charming game, no?
Two key things for melee fighting are typically a good shield with high GuardRes and dodge rolling. Armor itself is fairly meh, a shield is a much bigger part of your defense. Well, and your actual defense stat once you get to a high SL.
I'm not entirely sure what you're supposed to read into that... yeah, he made it through world 1, but only after the player kills the boss demons, and other various things for him.
I mean, it's not like Biorr, who is a crazy badass... just lazy. He straight up fights the Penetrator toe to toe, and stupidly tries attacking a dragon on a wall from very bad spots with a damn crossbow.
Ostrava is presented... strangely, as I said, he's kept at bay by a pack of dreglings, and even if you save him, he goes running off and can get himself killed against blue eyed knights and such later. It's not that he's not brave (or foolhardy), he just doesn't necessarily have the skill to back it up.
He seems like a well kitted out prince... which he is, I suppose.
Brings to mind how in the *hell* he possibly gets through the first part of 1-4 with the BPs and the few Red-eyed Knights. Obviously the dragon doesn't show up until later... I'm just not sure how you're supposed to view how some NPCs get around ahead of you, through enemies at that.
The mention of 5-3 reminds me, after I met with Selen for the PWWT event, she mentions how her brother is the guardian knight of the Maiden traveling through these lands. When you complete the event she laments that
For that matter, it seems to bring up an inconsistency related to Ostrava in 1-4?
I had gathered that world 5 was a place of aborted infants and/or stillborns. I think the Filthy Woman is actually a guilty mother and if you don't buy anything she implores you to think of the children (which are more likely than not aborted).
Also Garl/Astrea gets me pretty intensely.
The plague is pretty vicious though, I'm wondering how long the 1500 disease resist will actually last me in there.
Hyper Mode is having a Clever Rat Ring and Morion Blade equipped while having < 33% health. Shoots your damage potential through the roof.
A word on the plague babies, they are infinitely re-spawning.
You also usually carry around something like the Magic Sword Makoto in order to lower your health to danger levels whenever you want.
And no, they aren't infinitely respawning. On my original BBS character the other day I went in there, killed all the plague babies and ran around in the lake of blood all I wanted without being hassled.
They're just bastards and hard to keep track of because they keep doing their dive 'teleport' thing.
Which is why I intend to hyper mode them, because then I'll kill them each in one shot and I won't have to worry about them diving and losing track of them. When I did it on my previous character, it was taking me two shots to kill them... such a pain.
Whereas I have one build with a Tower Shield and Bramd who is tremendous fun, if very hit-and-miss in PvP.
Or had that equip weight ring as a permanent part of your inventory anyway.
For the most bang for your buck, the only armor that should be worn is Ancient King's with the Black Leather Mask for males, and Binded with the Black Leather Mask for females. All other armor has stamina penalties associated with it, meaning it takes longer to recoup your stamina, or (In the case of Rogue's, Shaman's, and Wizard's, the other three armor sets with no stamina loss.) are outclassed in stats.
In reality though, wear what you want. The stamina 'loss' from other items is miniscule, and in fact you can barely notice the difference between 39 stamina (0 stamina penalty) and 32 stamina (Full Brushwood's 10 stamina penalty) per second regen. The difference between the two is 9/10ths of a second to recover a full stamina bar at max stamina. One second more isn't much of a difference, and it's obviously lessened by wearing different pieces other than Brushwood. Brushwood is just the extreme.