Will be my first experience with Starcraft of any kind and am looking forward to it. I want to learn Zerg so very much.
Zoidzerg if you will.
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Just lost long drawn out game against a Terran. I hate ZvT so much. Thank god I am going on vacation tonight for a week. I hope they make some changes so it doesnt feel like i am always 2 steps behind Terran by the time i get back.
If not, then I am going to have to race switch or just stop playing league matches altogether. Tired of having double to triple the APM, Resources, Units and bases of a Terran player and either losing or just barely winning.
I also really need to learn to stop playing after shit games like that. I get upset and the very next game get 6pooled on a 4player map cause we started right next to eachother.
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Will do. I heard the practice matches are a slog but is it still worth doing them? I do intend to do campaign first so I will at least get a grasp on basic mechanics before I head into MP.
Will do. I heard the practice matches are a slog but is it still worth doing them? I do intend to do campaign first so I will at least get a grasp on basic mechanics before I head into MP.
I skipped the practice matches and went right to comp stomps.
The A.I. can be a little unrealistic (3 way coordinated roach rush), so custom melee (they're unranked) against other players is probably your best bet.
Have now won 3 games in a row to even me out at 6/6. Didn't even realize I was winning games until I got the achievement.
First game I nearly lost to void rays like I stupidly usually do. However he failed to build a robotics facility and my roaches had burrow, so I basically creeped around popping up destroying his workers and his nearly done robotics facility.
Second game I nearly conceded early on when I got rushed by a fuckton of zealots that I was totally unprepared for. Like 8 showed up when I had a few roaches and a spine crawler. I should have lost but he stopped to kill my natural instead of just rushing my main and finishing me. Recovered and harassed his workers with mutas leading to an eventual win.
And finally had a bit of a back and forth that again was probably won with muta harassment before I switched to ultras and zerglings since he went heavy hydra.
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Will do. I heard the practice matches are a slog but is it still worth doing them? I do intend to do campaign first so I will at least get a grasp on basic mechanics before I head into MP.
Skip the practice matches. They don't really help because of the slower speed and the rocks. You'll just develop bad habits. Just play 1vs1 with me and we'll train a bit and then go 2vs2.
I had never seen this before. Guy built 2 gates at my natural. lol. Talk about an all or nothing. This is a real quick replay to watch I'd like to believe I handled it well
so random just means you play mirror matches apparently. 3 ZvZs in a row and a TvT. was hoping to play a ZvT.
anyway i havent lost with 1 base roach build in ZvZ yet. if he expands he always loses
I second this strategy. If he's going Baneling/Ling or rushing to mutas he's going to be in a world of hurting with a bunch of Roaches show up at his door. It forces the opponent to get Roaches of his own, at which point you can get Hydras or Mutas yourself. Just to ask Iowa, what's your BO for this? Mine is:
9 - OL
13 - Pool
14 - Extractor
16 - Queen, 2x Spine Crawler
20 - Roach Warren, Lair
Or something like that. I tend to play it by ear depending on when I see the enemy's Spawning Pool going down.
I am pretty sure that ZvT is the worst possible match.
Here I am, riding high on wins, and the mighty hand of Blizzard smites me with a marine ball. Yes, I could baneling, but then I have less gas for roaches, not to mention less hydras to stop vikings/banshees.
Will do. I heard the practice matches are a slog but is it still worth doing them? I do intend to do campaign first so I will at least get a grasp on basic mechanics before I head into MP.
Practice matches are garbage. The game speed is intolerably slow and you're walled in so you can't scout or learn how to play a legit early game. Like others I got the hang of my build order and tech tree by playing against the AI. Once I was reliably beating hard I gave ranked a shot. (Actually I tried two practice matches first before realizing they're worthless.)
Of course I still suck and went 2/3 in placement and ended up in bronze but I figured that might happen.
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Here's another match I recorded. Pretty fun PvP where I had to hold off constant pressure.
Why compete needlessly when you could be having fun? There's enough competition in daily life, or in actual sports, why go home to it? I just don't see the enjoyment factor of it outside of the drug mentality, where it's either all or nothing.
edit: philosophical mumbo jumbo aside, I'm really just upset because I've been getting cheesed constantly and losing from it
If you don't find it fun, don't play it. I understand what you're talking about with the feeling of playing a game because you're addicted even though it's not fun- I had that with WoW raiding, and I regret not quitting earlier.
That said, I think most people in here enjoy the game and play for fun.
"Cheese" doesn't annoy me at all- so far, at least, every all-in strategy can be easily defeated by proper scouting. I don't feel like I've lost any games that I didn't deserve to lose (and I mostly had fun, even while losing).
so random just means you play mirror matches apparently. 3 ZvZs in a row and a TvT. was hoping to play a ZvT.
anyway i havent lost with 1 base roach build in ZvZ yet. if he expands he always loses
I second this strategy. If he's going Baneling/Ling or rushing to mutas he's going to be in a world of hurting with a bunch of Roaches show up at his door. It forces the opponent to get Roaches of his own, at which point you can get Hydras or Mutas yourself. Just to ask Iowa, what's your BO for this? Mine is:
9 - OL
13 - Pool
14 - Extractor
16 - Queen, 2x Spine Crawler
20 - Roach Warren, Lair
Or something like that. I tend to play it by ear depending on when I see the enemy's Spawning Pool going down.
depends. If it's a small map like steppes i go 10 pool, get a queen, roach warren on 12 or 13 and gas on 12 or 13. sometimes I throw in a spine crawler if i feel like he has lings on the field that would counter attack. 2 crawlers is too much IMO.
otherwise I go 9 OL and do the same thing except i dont start gas until right before the roach warren goes down. roaches dont need much gas.
your roach warren is a lot later than what I get. I go on the offense with 7-8 roaches as soon as I can, especially if he got his expansion. your build seems like a defensive tech to mutas.
On the topic of proper scouting maybe we should comprise a list of warning signs of certain strategies? I.e. 3 Gateways = zelot rush, early spawning pool = zergling rush, etc.
I've been slowly learning how to pick out voidray rushes, but if we pool our knowledge it will help everyone!
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So 3 gate robo almost seems unfair against zerg, since they never seem to be able to counter it. Ever. Like not even close to countering it. As long as i make sure to scout with my observer i just dont know what the zerg can do, except try and mass lings.
My last game was against a zerg who tried to do this and do a run by of my push force. They ran into a forcefield with zealots waiting. Meanwhile i cleaned out his natural and was walking up to his main . By the time he got back, he was locked out with another ff. Ragequit. Im just not even sure what they can do since with the scout i can adjust my comp with easy peasy gateway units.
On the other hand. I went 1 base collossus against a terran who kept scanning me all the time. So by the time i got there he had vikings and marauders and scrapped a win with it. Since most terrans turtle i think i need to learn to harrass properly with toss.
Anyone know any good builds that include a the prism? do you go immortal immortal then warpprism?
You know what's even meaner? Go two gate into robo facility. Have third gate going up before warpgates finish. Chronoboost an immortal out of robo first thing. Build only zealots until immortal. While immortal is building warp in three sentries. Attack as soon as immortal finishes while sending a probe to drop a proxy pylon. Queue up another immortal and rally to attack.
To me, no pressure by the time I have a lair means there are void rays already on their way, so I start producing some extra queens or an evolution chamber and spore cannons.
I don't always succeed on fighting it off, but I don't remember this often being incorrect.
they removed the spawn larva on the wireframe thing in a patch, unless they added it back in
it was one of the most "fuck you zerg" moments they have done
Well that's shit.
This was posted earlier, and shows how to spawn larvae quickly:
Basically, put all your Queens on one hotkey. Then, to spawn larvae in all your bases:
Press the hotkey for your Queens
Press the hotkey for Spawn Larvae ('v' if using the default controls)
Move your hand to the right side of the keyboard and hold down the right shift key (with your thumb or index finger).
While still holding shift, hit backspace (with your index or middle finger)
Left click on the hatchery that is now in the center of your screen
Repeat pressing backspace and left clicking for each additional hatchery you have (while still holding shift)
After having discovered this method, I now have all my hatcheries on one hotkey and all my queens on another. It makes it easier to keep macroing. I'm still not very good, but I'm better than I was.
That's far more complicated than it needs to be. Why the hell would they intentionally remove part of the interface like that? That is dumb.
I don't know why they removed the other method, but I think the backspace method is probably better once you have two bases and definitely better once you have three. It is complicated to describe how to do it but once you get it down it is very quick.
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To me, no pressure by the time I have a lair means there are void rays already on their way, so I start producing some extra queens or an evolution chamber and spore cannons.
I don't always succeed on fighting it off, but I don't remember this often being incorrect.
To me, no pressure by the time I have a lair means there are void rays already on their way, so I start producing some extra queens or an evolution chamber and spore cannons.
I don't always succeed on fighting it off, but I don't remember this often being incorrect.
Do spore colonies have more range than void rays?
They do; range 7 vs range 6. But they're also cheap if I'm going for a vespene heavy focus, (100 minerals a colony), and most importantly, they keep voidrays from being able to just sit there and shoot things. Unless you have a ton, they'll get out microed and killed, but they have to kill them first before they can do anything; at least in my experience. Two or three will repel two or three voidrays fairly effectively.
Oh shit, five in a row. Though one was to someone disconnecting and the other was to a guy who thought you could just build a bunch of proton cannons and then mass void rays in one base and I wasn't going to show up on your doorstep with 25 roaches/hydras when you had 4 void rays.
Even though you won this match here is one piece of advice:
A better opponent would have taken advantage of the fact that you had 0 observers/cannons and raped your mineral line with only a few DTs.
Once you get your forge or robotics facility it's wise to get AT LEAST 1 observer/cannon out so you're not caught with your pants down.
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Will do. I heard the practice matches are a slog but is it still worth doing them? I do intend to do campaign first so I will at least get a grasp on basic mechanics before I head into MP.
Practice matches are garbage. The game speed is intolerably slow and you're walled in so you can't scout or learn how to play a legit early game. Like others I got the hang of my build order and tech tree by playing against the AI. Once I was reliably beating hard I gave ranked a shot. (Actually I tried two practice matches first before realizing they're worthless.)
Of course I still suck and went 2/3 in placement and ended up in bronze but I figured that might happen.
The Practice League isn't designed for people who know RTS games and Starcraft. It is designed for the casual player who has no idea what the hell is going on.
For Zoidberg, he said he has never played Starcraft before? He might do well with some practice matches.
Sure, playing VS the AI is a more comparable approach to what it will be like playing in the ranked leagues, but it's frustrating for players who are completely clueless.
Then again, I found that some players who were actually decent hung around in the practice league because it is super easy.
The main things to remember while in the practice league are: 1. those rocks on your ramp aren't going to be there, so practice walling it off yourself if playing terran and getting rush defenses if not terran. 2. Things are going to move a lot faster when you get out of the practice league.
As long as you keep those in mind, I see no reason not to play your full 50.
Well,I'll help Zoidberg to settle in a bit anyway and I can totally use the practice myself.
Learning is always easier if you have someone to learn with.
The AI is pretty good to learn against, even if it nearly always does the same thing. I've done a lot of 2v2 and 3v3 comp stomps, and I think I'm ready to move up to Very Hard soon.
The AI is pretty good to learn against, even if it nearly always does the same thing. I've done a lot of 2v2 and 3v3 comp stomps, and I think I'm ready to move up to Very Hard soon.
The VH AI is a crazy change from just hard. A few of us were doing 3v3 on hard the other night and were stomping them so we switched to VH. Their initial rush shows up and what the fuck one of them teched to a colossus for the first rush?!
Hilarious and crazy. Also after beating hard 1v1 90% of the time I switched it to VH and got stomped by the first rush which seemed way bigger than the usual. Gave up and just started playing ranked at that point.
Basically what it is is Teamliquid gets a superstar pro (in this case, the winner of the Teamliquid Invitational and American superstar from BW and super good guy at SC2, Nony!) to go against some lower level players who volunteer.
Usually the pros just have hilarious strategies they bring out because they know they are going to win (somewhat in the vein of TLO's placement video that popped up recently).
I'm in bronze, my last 10 games have been against silver and I've won 7 of them. I wonder when it will decide that I am worthy.
From what I've heard and experienced, the game will match you up against increasingly skilled opponents until you go on a losing streak, then promote you.
I need some way to start that timer when my queen comes out.
Like Exo said, use windowed mode non-fullscreen. If it's set at your monitor's resolution it'll still be full screen, but you can alt tab to bring a window up. So just start the timer program up, start the game, then quickly hit alt-tab and start timer when your queen comes out and minimize the program. Only takes a second.
Or Exo could look into a "keep this window on top" toggle.
I really don't see an automatic timer being useful unless you are religious about refreshing spawn larva, otherwise it will fall out of sync even just a half-second at a time until it's not useful anymore.
I just beat a diamond terran as zerg in 1v1. He was so bad I have no clue how he was in diamond. I am still in plat trying to work my way up. He blocked his ramp off with 3 supply depots so I busted in and killed his 3 marauders and 4 marines. His little bro, newbie friend or mom must have been playing on his account because I have no idea how he was slightly favored playing like that
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If not, then I am going to have to race switch or just stop playing league matches altogether. Tired of having double to triple the APM, Resources, Units and bases of a Terran player and either losing or just barely winning.
I also really need to learn to stop playing after shit games like that. I get upset and the very next game get 6pooled on a 4player map cause we started right next to eachother.
Oh god,you are making me play 2vs2 aren't you?
Will do. I heard the practice matches are a slog but is it still worth doing them? I do intend to do campaign first so I will at least get a grasp on basic mechanics before I head into MP.
just have to scramble up some tubes
and then
i will be playing this on such high settings
all of the boners will be mine
I skipped the practice matches and went right to comp stomps.
The A.I. can be a little unrealistic (3 way coordinated roach rush), so custom melee (they're unranked) against other players is probably your best bet.
First game I nearly lost to void rays like I stupidly usually do. However he failed to build a robotics facility and my roaches had burrow, so I basically creeped around popping up destroying his workers and his nearly done robotics facility.
Second game I nearly conceded early on when I got rushed by a fuckton of zealots that I was totally unprepared for. Like 8 showed up when I had a few roaches and a spine crawler. I should have lost but he stopped to kill my natural instead of just rushing my main and finishing me. Recovered and harassed his workers with mutas leading to an eventual win.
And finally had a bit of a back and forth that again was probably won with muta harassment before I switched to ultras and zerglings since he went heavy hydra.
Feels good, man. 8-)
Skip the practice matches. They don't really help because of the slower speed and the rocks. You'll just develop bad habits. Just play 1vs1 with me and we'll train a bit and then go 2vs2.
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I second this strategy. If he's going Baneling/Ling or rushing to mutas he's going to be in a world of hurting with a bunch of Roaches show up at his door. It forces the opponent to get Roaches of his own, at which point you can get Hydras or Mutas yourself. Just to ask Iowa, what's your BO for this? Mine is:
9 - OL
13 - Pool
14 - Extractor
16 - Queen, 2x Spine Crawler
20 - Roach Warren, Lair
Or something like that. I tend to play it by ear depending on when I see the enemy's Spawning Pool going down.
Here I am, riding high on wins, and the mighty hand of Blizzard smites me with a marine ball. Yes, I could baneling, but then I have less gas for roaches, not to mention less hydras to stop vikings/banshees.
Practice matches are garbage. The game speed is intolerably slow and you're walled in so you can't scout or learn how to play a legit early game. Like others I got the hang of my build order and tech tree by playing against the AI. Once I was reliably beating hard I gave ranked a shot. (Actually I tried two practice matches first before realizing they're worthless.)
Of course I still suck and went 2/3 in placement and ended up in bronze but I figured that might happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sMOh7_t2Iw
If you don't find it fun, don't play it. I understand what you're talking about with the feeling of playing a game because you're addicted even though it's not fun- I had that with WoW raiding, and I regret not quitting earlier.
That said, I think most people in here enjoy the game and play for fun.
"Cheese" doesn't annoy me at all- so far, at least, every all-in strategy can be easily defeated by proper scouting. I don't feel like I've lost any games that I didn't deserve to lose (and I mostly had fun, even while losing).
otherwise I go 9 OL and do the same thing except i dont start gas until right before the roach warren goes down. roaches dont need much gas.
your roach warren is a lot later than what I get. I go on the offense with 7-8 roaches as soon as I can, especially if he got his expansion. your build seems like a defensive tech to mutas.
I've been slowly learning how to pick out voidray rushes, but if we pool our knowledge it will help everyone!
You know what's even meaner? Go two gate into robo facility. Have third gate going up before warpgates finish. Chronoboost an immortal out of robo first thing. Build only zealots until immortal. While immortal is building warp in three sentries. Attack as soon as immortal finishes while sending a probe to drop a proxy pylon. Queue up another immortal and rally to attack.
I don't always succeed on fighting it off, but I don't remember this often being incorrect.
I don't know why they removed the other method, but I think the backspace method is probably better once you have two bases and definitely better once you have three. It is complicated to describe how to do it but once you get it down it is very quick.
Do spore colonies have more range than void rays?
They do; range 7 vs range 6. But they're also cheap if I'm going for a vespene heavy focus, (100 minerals a colony), and most importantly, they keep voidrays from being able to just sit there and shoot things. Unless you have a ton, they'll get out microed and killed, but they have to kill them first before they can do anything; at least in my experience. Two or three will repel two or three voidrays fairly effectively.
I love banelings.
Even though you won this match here is one piece of advice:
A better opponent would have taken advantage of the fact that you had 0 observers/cannons and raped your mineral line with only a few DTs.
Once you get your forge or robotics facility it's wise to get AT LEAST 1 observer/cannon out so you're not caught with your pants down.
The Practice League isn't designed for people who know RTS games and Starcraft. It is designed for the casual player who has no idea what the hell is going on.
For Zoidberg, he said he has never played Starcraft before? He might do well with some practice matches.
Sure, playing VS the AI is a more comparable approach to what it will be like playing in the ranked leagues, but it's frustrating for players who are completely clueless.
Then again, I found that some players who were actually decent hung around in the practice league because it is super easy.
Learning is always easier if you have someone to learn with.
As long as you keep those in mind, I see no reason not to play your full 50.
The AI is pretty good to learn against, even if it nearly always does the same thing. I've done a lot of 2v2 and 3v3 comp stomps, and I think I'm ready to move up to Very Hard soon.
Or R-squared as I like to call it.
The VH AI is a crazy change from just hard. A few of us were doing 3v3 on hard the other night and were stomping them so we switched to VH. Their initial rush shows up and what the fuck one of them teched to a colossus for the first rush?!
Hilarious and crazy. Also after beating hard 1v1 90% of the time I switched it to VH and got stomped by the first rush which seemed way bigger than the usual. Gave up and just started playing ranked at that point.
edit.. also #1 in bronze, son! Top of the world!
god banelings are so aptly named
I'm in bronze, my last 10 games have been against silver and I've won 7 of them. I wonder when it will decide that I am worthy.
Basically what it is is Teamliquid gets a superstar pro (in this case, the winner of the Teamliquid Invitational and American superstar from BW and super good guy at SC2, Nony!) to go against some lower level players who volunteer.
Usually the pros just have hilarious strategies they bring out because they know they are going to win (somewhat in the vein of TLO's placement video that popped up recently).
From what I've heard and experienced, the game will match you up against increasingly skilled opponents until you go on a losing streak, then promote you.
I really don't see an automatic timer being useful unless you are religious about refreshing spawn larva, otherwise it will fall out of sync even just a half-second at a time until it's not useful anymore.
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