I just beat Nocturne, finally. That last level took for-freaking-ever. Especially that dark/danger floor area with the pits and teleporters everywhere.
The final boss, though. Seriously? What's with this otherwise difficult series and ludicrously easy final boss fights? At least the one in Persona 4 lasted a while. This guy took me ten minutes and never made me break a sweat.
And I know, it's not the REAL final boss. I'll be building up to that one soon enough. Any recommendations, besides the well known "have Pierce?" Also, is it just me, or is Freikugel underwhelming? I find I've been doing far more damage with a sufficiently boosted Magma Axis, and I don't even have Fire Boost.
It's mostly that Freikugel is almighty, and has a high crit rate.
And you haven't truly beaten Nocturne yet. :P
Also, on hard, that first boss almost did me in. He can get nasty real fast.
"Him" being an odd term for a deadly disco ball, but okay.
And I know I still have an ending to get through. Let me finish up Mass Effect 2 before I return. I know it'll be a slog to figure out how to make that one Vile with Pierce, and then spread it to another 2-3 demons, all while figuring out how Tyrants and Deities and all that crap works. I mean, I slaughtered the original final boss with a Mada, a Flauros, and a Lachesis.
Dante and Omega Death Pixie even sat on the sidelines eating popcorn.
I didn't even pretend to get the really complicated demons yet.
On that note...what's next? I'm two Personas down and I finally dipped my toes into REAL Megami Tensei experiences. I also have no portable systems nor a way to afford one any time soon. So what is my next best option? A Devil Summoner? One of the Digital Devil Sagas? What's not obscure enough to hit obscene prices on ebay?
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edited August 2010
You'll need a bit more than that party-wise for the true final boss, but Pierce on every demon is overrated. One effectively prepared Hito and a solid army is all you need.
And I'd say DDS is the natural follow-up, but uh, good luck finding it.
Also, what the hell youtube? I plan on getting the True Demon ending right, but no way in hell am I rebeating the game four more times for the other endings. But the only videos aren't even from the translated version of the game. Bah!
As for finding the games...eh, looks like amazon.com and ebay are both viable for a reasonable price. Now, the original Devil Summoner, that shot up there. None of them are exactly Suikoden 2, though.
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BTW, what's an appropriate level for the True Demon boss? It seems after getting to (what I think is) the door of said boss, I've stopped playing Nocturne and am just filling out the compendium.
Also, can I still fuse demons after entering the final dungeon or should I make sure I've got a final team together first?
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BTW, what's an appropriate level for the True Demon boss? It seems after getting to (what I think is) the door of said boss, I've stopped playing Nocturne and am just filling out the compendium.
Also, can I still fuse demons after entering the final dungeon or should I make sure I've got a final team together first?
Yeah, you can fuse demons and whatnot. You can even teleport to old locations and back again; the final dungeon itself counts as three Amala Link terminals with more sub-terminals besides those. Your ending gets locked as soon as you go in, though.
As for how short they are, that's exactly why I want to youtube them rather than play through another 10-30 hours of the game to get them (assuming I even have an appropriate save; 50 hours otherwise.) I mean, I got Neutral (good neutral, not Asperger's neutral) and I'm going to do True Demon right, but Captain Widow's Peak doesn't deserve that much attention.
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Ok kind of general PSP question but tangentially related to P3P. What kind of memory sticks can I use in the PSP? Are there certain ones specifically for PSP or can I use any? I would like to install P3P since I assume it would make the performance a bit better but all I have is a MB stick that I got when by brother gave me the PSP, so I don't have any room for it. I guess also related, is installing the game necessary/worth it?
Okay, P4 is ALMOST wrapped up. The murderer's expressions are either REALLY creepy or REALLY hilarious. I cannot decide which.
Given the amount of TV-trope page reading and general spoileryness that I had on this one, though, I'm going into FES cold. So, what MUST I know not to fuck up in FES? Any really easilly missed Social Links? Major mechanical differences going from 4 to 3.5? Best stat buffing states?
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Aside from Elizabeth having even more crazy quests(and awesome dates), not really, unless you're nuts enough to go for a max S Link run(and you shouldn't).
Well, which links are good and fun, then? I'm not likely to do a full newgame plus, and S-links DONT follow around, right? I gather a NG+ on P4 is like, impossible to NOT get all your S-links up, due to never taking time for stats...Maybe I should just stat-max and play it for fun?
Wait... And whats this I'm reading about decaying social links?!
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Only if you're a player or ignore a link for too long.
There's two kinds of good links, ones for great Persona, ones for good story.
Persona:
Star(Max for Lucifer)
Strength
Empress
Magician
Priestess
Devil
etc.
Story:
(Opinions!)
Strength
Empress
Lovers
Justice
Hermit
Tower
Sun
Hanged Man
etc.
Well, which links are good and fun, then? I'm not likely to do a full newgame plus, and S-links DONT follow around, right? I gather a NG+ on P4 is like, impossible to NOT get all your S-links up, due to never taking time for stats...Maybe I should just stat-max and play it for fun?
Wait... And whats this I'm reading about decaying social links?!
Yeah if you don't hang out with people, or say yes to a hanging out on Sunday and then turn them down to hang out with someone else, you can reverse the S.Link. Basically it means that you have to talk to them and fix it before you can advance again. I'm not too positive, as it never happened to anyone I cared about and I just ignored the ones that it did happen to since it was too close to the end to fix.
Edit: Also you can't hang out with another girl while you are dating someone else. Again, I'm not sure at the specific level that you achieve exclusive status, but I think the game tells you. Basically you should finish dating one girl before moving on to the next. Also, there is no just friends option, so have to be Casanova.
Edit Edit: I forgot that you can actually reverse an S.Link by picking the wrong option in a conversation. This only happened to me once so it is kind of hard to do.
I must have just gotten lucky in 4, then. Never had that happen. O.o
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Happened to me once, with Yukiko and Ai. Figures, my two favorite characters.
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edited August 2010
Also, you can break S. Links if you really screw up. If that happens, you can't use any Personas of that arcana. Again, really hard to do unless you're aiming for it, but keep it in mind.
Just the usual SMT stuff, of dont insult them, dont disagree too loudly with their philosophy, dont dither around too much?
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The AnonymousUh, uh, uhhhhhh...Uh, uh.Registered Userregular
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Pretty much. At least, you don't have to worry about S. Links that go completely against conventional thinking. *coughAiEbiharacough*
Not that I don't like Ai, but without a guide I'd never have maxed out her S. Link or known which choices were "important". You know what I'm talking about.
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I don't know. Ai was pretty easy.
Just keep going along with her until she tells you about her deep emotional scars.
Also, you can break S. Links if you really screw up. If that happens, you can't use any Personas of that arcana. Again, really hard to do unless you're aiming for it, but keep it in mind.
Wait you can't use Personas from that arcana? I thought it just meant you couldn't advance the S.Link anymore. Is broken worse than reverse? I always thought that when people talked about broken and reversed they were the same thing.
Also, I'm some 30 hours into Nocturne (well, Lucifer's Call really, but same difference), got distracted by something as I always do, and the game's just been sitting there for half a year or so.
Yesterday I went through hours (srrrsly) of a walkthrough on youtube to remind myself what has actually happened up until the point where I am (just got into Assembly of Nihilo). Now to make a promise to myself: I WILL NOT START PLAYING ANY OTHER GAME UNTIL I FINISH THIS.
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Also, you can break S. Links if you really screw up. If that happens, you can't use any Personas of that arcana. Again, really hard to do unless you're aiming for it, but keep it in mind.
Wait you can't use Personas from that arcana? I thought it just meant you couldn't advance the S.Link anymore. Is broken worse than reverse? I always thought that when people talked about broken and reversed they were the same thing.
Reversed is when you can't advance until you patch things up. Broken is when you act like a complete douche towards someone, earning you the "reward" of not being able to use Personas of that arcana.
I was really considering a "Minato is a jerk" playthrough based on that one comic.
I still am, a little.
You still can. You'd just have to use a Persona from an arcana whose S. Link can't reverse/break. And be willing to not use Armageddon (and thus not do the bonus boss). And maybe get the bad ending.
The only time I ever reversed an S.Link other than ignoring people was with Yukari. There is one scene where the answer is really not obvious at all. Thankfully I had just saved. Playing through that scene with the FeMC and doing that exact thing that pisses her off as the male makes her happy. Figures.
So once I max an S. Link do I still need to pay actively pay attention to people? Or is this just if I ignore them when they come up to me at school (in P4) and are all like, "Yo, Bert, want to hang out this afternoon?"?
Once you're best friends forever with someone, you are encouraged to pretend they don't exist any more. In P3P, there are short scenes if you spend a day with someone after rank ten, but there is no reason to do so and it's the same scene every time.
Once you're best friends forever with someone, you are encouraged to pretend they don't exist any more. In P3P, there are short scenes if you spend a day with someone after rank ten, but there is no reason to do so and it's the same scene every time.
Yes, this is a wee bit stupid.
And considering how tight the s.link schedule is in p3, its a really bad idea. I was much happier with with p4's more forgiving schedule.
So, do any of the games give you the option of friendship with the females? Cause I can't help but feel like a douche trying to romance another girl when technically you are already in a relationship.
In Persona 3 it is still possible for your bff to ask you to do something. I had it happen to me in the summer, when Kaz wanted to go to the movies.
Also, I still have yet to run into the Star guy. I've been to Iwatodai for a week straight and still haven't ran into him. He must hate me .
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It's mostly that Freikugel is almighty, and has a high crit rate.
And you haven't truly beaten Nocturne yet. :P
Also, on hard, that first boss almost did me in. He can get nasty real fast.
And I know I still have an ending to get through. Let me finish up Mass Effect 2 before I return. I know it'll be a slog to figure out how to make that one Vile with Pierce, and then spread it to another 2-3 demons, all while figuring out how Tyrants and Deities and all that crap works. I mean, I slaughtered the original final boss with a Mada, a Flauros, and a Lachesis.
On that note...what's next? I'm two Personas down and I finally dipped my toes into REAL Megami Tensei experiences. I also have no portable systems nor a way to afford one any time soon. So what is my next best option? A Devil Summoner? One of the Digital Devil Sagas? What's not obscure enough to hit obscene prices on ebay?
And I'd say DDS is the natural follow-up, but uh, good luck finding it.
As for finding the games...eh, looks like amazon.com and ebay are both viable for a reasonable price. Now, the original Devil Summoner, that shot up there. None of them are exactly Suikoden 2, though.
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Also, can I still fuse demons after entering the final dungeon or should I make sure I've got a final team together first?
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Yeah, you can fuse demons and whatnot. You can even teleport to old locations and back again; the final dungeon itself counts as three Amala Link terminals with more sub-terminals besides those. Your ending gets locked as soon as you go in, though.
As for how short they are, that's exactly why I want to youtube them rather than play through another 10-30 hours of the game to get them (assuming I even have an appropriate save; 50 hours otherwise.) I mean, I got Neutral (good neutral, not Asperger's neutral) and I'm going to do True Demon right, but Captain Widow's Peak doesn't deserve that much attention.
Given the amount of TV-trope page reading and general spoileryness that I had on this one, though, I'm going into FES cold. So, what MUST I know not to fuck up in FES? Any really easilly missed Social Links? Major mechanical differences going from 4 to 3.5? Best stat buffing states?
Wait... And whats this I'm reading about decaying social links?!
There's two kinds of good links, ones for great Persona, ones for good story.
Persona:
Star(Max for Lucifer)
Strength
Empress
Magician
Priestess
Devil
etc.
Story:
(Opinions!)
Strength
Empress
Lovers
Justice
Hermit
Tower
Sun
Hanged Man
etc.
Yeah if you don't hang out with people, or say yes to a hanging out on Sunday and then turn them down to hang out with someone else, you can reverse the S.Link. Basically it means that you have to talk to them and fix it before you can advance again. I'm not too positive, as it never happened to anyone I cared about and I just ignored the ones that it did happen to since it was too close to the end to fix.
Edit: Also you can't hang out with another girl while you are dating someone else. Again, I'm not sure at the specific level that you achieve exclusive status, but I think the game tells you. Basically you should finish dating one girl before moving on to the next. Also, there is no just friends option, so have to be Casanova.
Edit Edit: I forgot that you can actually reverse an S.Link by picking the wrong option in a conversation. This only happened to me once so it is kind of hard to do.
Just keep going along with her until she tells you about her deep emotional scars.
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Wait you can't use Personas from that arcana? I thought it just meant you couldn't advance the S.Link anymore. Is broken worse than reverse? I always thought that when people talked about broken and reversed they were the same thing.
Also, I'm some 30 hours into Nocturne (well, Lucifer's Call really, but same difference), got distracted by something as I always do, and the game's just been sitting there for half a year or so.
Yesterday I went through hours (srrrsly) of a walkthrough on youtube to remind myself what has actually happened up until the point where I am (just got into Assembly of Nihilo). Now to make a promise to myself: I WILL NOT START PLAYING ANY OTHER GAME UNTIL I FINISH THIS.
I was really considering a "Minato is a jerk" playthrough based on that one comic.
It didn't change much of anything.
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Yes, this is a wee bit stupid.
And considering how tight the s.link schedule is in p3, its a really bad idea. I was much happier with with p4's more forgiving schedule.
I am a freaking nerd.
In Persona 3 it is still possible for your bff to ask you to do something. I had it happen to me in the summer, when Kaz wanted to go to the movies.
Also, I still have yet to run into the Star guy. I've been to Iwatodai for a week straight and still haven't ran into him. He must hate me