Yes, but that single moment doesn't justify her being there. She has absolutely no impact on the plot in any way.
She doesn't scheme, she doesn't set anything in motion, she just makes one speech advocating the Chaos path.
I think she should have been replaced by Mem Aleph or Maya. The Schwarzwelt is their creation, after all. And when they appear before you, you might interpret it as them looking for human souls that aren't so hopelessly 'corrupted' they need to be destroyed and perhaps find an ally. As opposed to Lucifer showing up just because this is an SMT game and not really anything else.
I'm pretty sure Lucy had a pretty important role in the plot...
...didn't s/he give the humans the Demon Summoning Program?
Pretty sure it was the Three Wise Men, actually. Or whatever they were called.
Yes, but that single moment doesn't justify her being there. She has absolutely no impact on the plot in any way.
She doesn't scheme, she doesn't set anything in motion, she just makes one speech advocating the Chaos path.
I think she should have been replaced by Mem Aleph or Maya. The Schwarzwelt is their creation, after all. And when they appear before you, you might interpret it as them looking for human souls that aren't so hopelessly 'corrupted' they need to be destroyed and perhaps find an ally. As opposed to Lucifer showing up just because this is an SMT game and not really anything else.
I'm pretty sure Lucy had a pretty important role in the plot...
...didn't s/he give the humans the Demon Summoning Program?
Pretty sure it was the Three Wise Men, actually. Or whatever they were called.
Wait, so you're saying
STEPHEN didn't write the DSP? Or is this just an alternate timeline where that never happened?
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It could very well be a timeline where Stephen did it, but they just made it accessible to the SJ team.
Jesus Christ, the Megaten timelines are confusing... Is there an accurate timeline on the series? I have no idea how the Devil Summoner games, DDS and Devil Survivor tie in to the other games... if they tie in to others at all.
Incorrect. The Devil Summoner games have ties to SMT2 or If..., I can't remember which.
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They imply a tangential connection to SMT2. Overall, it doesn't really matter.
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SMT is basically a multiverse. So far there are three main timelines we know of: the SMT1/2 timeline, the Devil Summoner/Persona timeline, and the Nocturne timeline. Raidou 2 acts as the point of divergence for these timelines; suffice to say that SMT1/2 is what "originally" happened, Nocturne is what certain parties want to happen instead, and Devil Summoner/Persona is the third option that doesn't fuck up mankind's shit. Technically there's also a fourth timeline, which branches off from Innocent Sin and leads into everything from Eternal Punishment and onwards. And of course, many of the various alternate endings form separate timelines as well.
And that's not counting the other spin-offs in the series, either. For instance, Devil Survivor is probably either in the DS/P or Nocturne timelines, but only one ending might have no bearing on the timeline; the others all affect mankind in some way.
Before Nocturne there were only two timelines, the SMT1/2 timeline and the Devil Summoner timeline. SMT: if... existed as a "what if?", to explain how the latter was possible.
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The Messians and Gaians are in Nocturne, however briefly, before the Conception, so it's possible it takes place in the SMT1/2 gap.
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Wasn't it implied that Nocturne happened at roughly the same point in history as SMT1, though? Things had gotten pretty violent between them when the Conception occured.
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It could take the place of the Messian Nuclear Holocaust, yeah.
Well Raidou 1 points out that parallel universes exist, and Nocturne shows us that the universe gets rebooted on a regular basis, so there's really no reason they can't all exist at their appropriate times. The games that do have obvious connections can always still be related, but any discrepancies can be chalked up to, "Eh, it's like that one episode of Star Trek."
I have always been confused by all the PS2 games. Could someone break them down for me? I was always thrown off by the random subtitles thrown in. And I remember one game doesn't have a subtitle, then it has a sequel with an entirely different name or something.
I have always been confused by all the PS2 games. Could someone break them down for me?
From memory. I'll probably miss a few, but whatever.
Nocturne (Lucifer's Call in PAL): Basically Shin Megami Tensei 3. End of the world, demon recruitment and fusion, multiple endings, all that.
Digital Devil Saga 1&2: One story told over two games. Entirely self-contained.
Persona 3 (FES) and Persona 4: They're... well, they're the games that made the Shin Megami Tensei name a bit more mainstream. Loosely connected, but not exactly sequels.
Raido with the Strange Last Name and the Ludicrously Long Subtitle: Two games, if I'm not mistaken. Action-RPGs set in the demon-infested 1920's.
You really can't put all the SMT games into one timeline because half of them have the world ending with a nuclear and/or demonic holocaust in ways that contradict the nuclear/demonic apocalypses in other games. The two Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha games happen in the 1920s, so they could probably fit into the shared back story of the other games without a hitch. Aside from that, the MegaTen games released in the West are either set in the main SMT timeline or in an alternate timeline that splits off during SMT1.
The core SMT timeline starts with SMT 1, then SMT NINE, then SMT IMAGINE, then SMT 2. (I might have the order of NINE and IMAGINE backwards.) SMT 3 and Strange Journey only fit into this timeline if they occur during or before SMT 1, and even then, only if the Neutral endings happen. Since Dante appears in SMT3, the Devil May Cry series could fit in here prior to SMT 1, if you really want to include absolutely everything.
The main alternate timeline starts with SMT 1 up until the nuclear/demonic holocaust, which doesn't happen in this timeline. SMT If... occurs concurrently with that. Then comes Devil Summoner 1, then the Persona series, then maybe Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers at some point in the future. The Japanese release of Devil Survivor has the same prefix as the Japanese release of Persona 1 (Megami Ibunroku), so that might fit into this timeline, though only if Atsuro's or Gin's ending happens (IIRC).
The other games that came out in English are mainly special cases. The Digital Devil Saga two-parter takes place several decades in the future in its own distinct post-apocalyptic world (it could be the future after Soul Hackers, if you want there to be as few timelines as possible). The DemiKids/Devil Children series might fit into the If/Persona timeline (thematically, they're closer to those games than they are to the core series). Revelations: The Demon Slayer is a remake of the first entry in the Megami Tensei Gaiden: Lost Bible series, which takes place in a generic fantasy world of its own. And IIRC, Jack Bros. isn't even set in the human world, so that could fit into any timeline at all.
Er, I guess that's not exactly what I meant. More what all games were released over here, what kinds they are, and if they were connected at all.
I think I figured most of it out between those two posts. But I still feel like there was one other game that didn't fit in there...I thought there was a game that was just SMT or Persona with no subtitle, or something like that. I know I steered clear of the series because all the different games confused me.
And the earlier ones are way too expensive, when I run into them.
The only Persona game with no subtitle or number is the remake of Persona 1 on the PSP. Either version of Persona 1 is bad, but that version is at least less bad.
"Well, Square did P3, P3FES and P4, but they don't seem interested in this one. Rising Star apparently isn't doing it, so... I guess we might as well?"
(I need to find a higher quality capture method, I know.)
Does it ever bug anybody that in EP, even though he's Guido's "Step-brother", he looks a LOT like him?
I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought the fact that he looked similar is what cause the rumors of Guido being spotted around Sumaru to start?
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I'm pretty sure the new translation says he is Kandori's half brother.
(Persona 1 PSP, that is.)
Reiji made mention about them having the same mother, I think.
A little off topic, but what would be the non-SMT, EO, and Trauma games from Atlus on the DS that would be considered "must plays" or even quirky enough for the "have to at least try it"?
My PS2 backlog is pretty much finished, so I thought I may as well build up my DS backlog again.
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A little off topic, but what would be the non-SMT, EO, and Trauma games from Atlus on the DS that would be considered "must plays" or even quirky enough for the "have to at least try it"?
My PS2 backlog is pretty much finished, so I thought I may as well build up my DS backlog again.
Yes, except for the Trauma games. I found they got really boring really fast.
A little off topic, but what would be the non-SMT, EO, and Trauma games from Atlus on the DS that would be considered "must plays" or even quirky enough for the "have to at least try it"?
My PS2 backlog is pretty much finished, so I thought I may as well build up my DS backlog again.
They have a new game coming out soon that looks to be fucking fantastic, so look forward to that.
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Interesting. I think that qualifies as a forelog instead of a backlog, though...
How are Dokapon, Luminous Arc, Legacy of Ys, Super Robot Taisen, Rondo, etc?
Mediocre. You'll find dedicated fans but they're skipable. I did enjoy Super Robot Taisen but that's because it was goofy over the top titty bouncing. I didn't play it long.
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Oh, yes it does. At least when you're trying to recruit a demon of a different alignment than yours.
And that's not counting the other spin-offs in the series, either. For instance, Devil Survivor is probably either in the DS/P or Nocturne timelines, but only one ending might have no bearing on the timeline; the others all affect mankind in some way.
Nocturne (Lucifer's Call in PAL): Basically Shin Megami Tensei 3. End of the world, demon recruitment and fusion, multiple endings, all that.
Digital Devil Saga 1&2: One story told over two games. Entirely self-contained.
Persona 3 (FES) and Persona 4: They're... well, they're the games that made the Shin Megami Tensei name a bit more mainstream. Loosely connected, but not exactly sequels.
Raido with the Strange Last Name and the Ludicrously Long Subtitle: Two games, if I'm not mistaken. Action-RPGs set in the demon-infested 1920's.
The core SMT timeline starts with SMT 1, then SMT NINE, then SMT IMAGINE, then SMT 2. (I might have the order of NINE and IMAGINE backwards.) SMT 3 and Strange Journey only fit into this timeline if they occur during or before SMT 1, and even then, only if the Neutral endings happen. Since Dante appears in SMT3, the Devil May Cry series could fit in here prior to SMT 1, if you really want to include absolutely everything.
The main alternate timeline starts with SMT 1 up until the nuclear/demonic holocaust, which doesn't happen in this timeline. SMT If... occurs concurrently with that. Then comes Devil Summoner 1, then the Persona series, then maybe Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers at some point in the future. The Japanese release of Devil Survivor has the same prefix as the Japanese release of Persona 1 (Megami Ibunroku), so that might fit into this timeline, though only if Atsuro's or Gin's ending happens (IIRC).
The other games that came out in English are mainly special cases. The Digital Devil Saga two-parter takes place several decades in the future in its own distinct post-apocalyptic world (it could be the future after Soul Hackers, if you want there to be as few timelines as possible). The DemiKids/Devil Children series might fit into the If/Persona timeline (thematically, they're closer to those games than they are to the core series). Revelations: The Demon Slayer is a remake of the first entry in the Megami Tensei Gaiden: Lost Bible series, which takes place in a generic fantasy world of its own. And IIRC, Jack Bros. isn't even set in the human world, so that could fit into any timeline at all.
I think I figured most of it out between those two posts. But I still feel like there was one other game that didn't fit in there...I thought there was a game that was just SMT or Persona with no subtitle, or something like that. I know I steered clear of the series because all the different games confused me.
And the earlier ones are way too expensive, when I run into them.
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"Well, Square did P3, P3FES and P4, but they don't seem interested in this one. Rising Star apparently isn't doing it, so... I guess we might as well?"
It was only FTNW, not the original.
Totally forgotten he shows up in EP.
The look suits him.
(I need to find a higher quality capture method, I know.)
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Does it ever bug anybody that in EP, even though he's Guido's "Step-brother", he looks a LOT like him?
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Reiji made mention about them having the same mother, I think.
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Yes, except for the Trauma games. I found they got really boring really fast.
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How are Dokapon, Luminous Arc, Legacy of Ys, Super Robot Taisen, Rondo, etc?
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Mediocre. You'll find dedicated fans but they're skipable. I did enjoy Super Robot Taisen but that's because it was goofy over the top titty bouncing. I didn't play it long.
IMO, the Wii Trauma games are worlds better than the DS ones, both in plot and gameplay.
Luminous and Rondo are mediocre at best. Ys is considered the worst version of 1 & 2.
I enjoyed Endless Frontier, but more because it's Namco X Capcom portable, not the SRT stuff.