Meh, I liked Mercer better when he had some shred of humanity/decency about him. Having him go total evil seems like a ret-con. What's his motivation? I suppose I don't know enough about what they have planned, but this strikes me as lazy.
Well Mercer had some fairly ominous lines near the end of the last game. Thousands of voices in his head from all the people he'd consumed, the increasing degree to which he was embracing his inhumanity, I don't think it would be all that shocking for him to have become a fairly alien psyche by now.
Meh, I liked Mercer better when he had some shred of humanity/decency about him. Having him go total evil seems like a ret-con. What's his motivation? I suppose I don't know enough about what they have planned, but this strikes me as lazy.
Well Mercer had some fairly ominous lines near the end of the last game. Thousands of voices in his head from all the people he'd consumed, the increasing degree to which he was embracing his inhumanity, I don't think it would be all that shocking for him to have become a fairly alien psyche by now.
But he seemed a bit wracked with guilt. And it's one thing to accept your dark nature and embrace it. It's entirely another to want to spread this evil virus thing, which apparently doesn't much like him either, all over the place.
Also, why was it he was at odds with all the freaky mutants again? I don't remember that too clearly, it's been a while since I played this.
No he lost me when he jumped to "teams up". Doesn't automatically follow from the premise given.
Yeah, he made some leaps of logic in his mind which he didn't explain properly on here. Also, I just want to say that every time I glance at your avatar, I totally see Kurt from MDK2. It's that blade, man, it just looks like his pointy helmet to me.
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But he seemed a bit wracked with guilt. And it's one thing to accept your dark nature and embrace it. It's entirely another to want to spread this evil virus thing, which apparently doesn't much like him either, all over the place.
Also, why was it he was at odds with all the freaky mutants again? I don't remember that too clearly, it's been a while since I played this.
End game Prototype 1 spoilers, for anyone who happens to be watching my lets play for the first time and actually cares. You never know.
Mercer is Blacklight, a virus that was created from a virus found within the pool of virus horribleness that festers within Green.
Greene is not infected with Blacklight, she was infected with Redlight, the virus intended to target specific racial genotypes. She produced the precursor to Blacklight that Gentek took and created Blacklight from.
That's why the Redlight virus doesn't really have any super dramatic transformations other than Greenes. And even then it was weird and freaky and not really particularly useful. It couldn't change itself or do anything noteworthy. It was a solid immutable mass.
Even hunters were just big gorilla style things. They couldn't adapt to anything.
In contrast, Blacklight enables an organise to change itself as it wishes.
My own personal speculation is that the organisms Heller will fight in 2 will be the result of Mercer eatin up Greene and creating great big beasties that can morphulate and shapeulate. So getting the size and mass of Greene's mutation freaky beasties and the more dangerous properties of Mercers. For example, if you look at the big screenies of the giant mutant thingy that Heller is fighting, it looks like it has muscle mass arms.
I also think all the freaky shit all over the city is a result of the Blacklight virus as well: changing living tissue into whatever it wants, in this case stuff that spreads out like that.
They also mentioned that hunters this time around will have more advanced tactics that they can use. I gather from this that they're gonna get limited shapulating abilities as well.
(I refuse to stop using morphulate and shapulate because they amuse me too much.)
Mercer was never a hero in the first place so him going off the deep end is basically "yep, bout what I expected really".
I don't hold any particular attachment to this theory it's just what seems the most likely given what we know right now.
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The only thing that I didn't like from those interviews is the fact that Heller is hunting Mercer because he believes he is the absolute cause of everything that happened. They are pretty much admitting that the first part of the game will be hunting mercer, and then you'll team up on gentek, which means you won't be able to fight him at full power.
Unless
Heller finds out about Penn station. But that still leaves room for Mercer to be all 'It's gentek and blackwatch who are evil, not me'
You've lost me.
Well, Mercer isn't responsible for everything. If Heller starts to try and find out the truth, which, due to the fact that the web of intrigue stuff is back, I assume that he will, he will probably end up going after Gentek. Which means that there has to be room in the game's story for Heller to at first go after Mercer, then realise that it's not his fault, then team-up or whatever. So, you're probably not going to fight him at the end of the game, which means you won't have all your powers (more likely than not), unless you decide to turn on him, or he decides to turn on you for some reason.
Edit: For teaming up, they still have similar goals of going after whoever is responsible. Mercer still hates Blackwatch, and as the virus, he still has some humanity. Maybe they won't team up, but at the very least, Heller will shift his focus.
The only thing that I didn't like from those interviews is the fact that Heller is hunting Mercer because he believes he is the absolute cause of everything that happened. They are pretty much admitting that the first part of the game will be hunting mercer, and then you'll team up on gentek, which means you won't be able to fight him at full power.
Unless
Heller finds out about Penn station. But that still leaves room for Mercer to be all 'It's gentek and blackwatch who are evil, not me'
You've lost me.
Well, Mercer isn't responsible for everything. If Heller starts to try and find out the truth, which, due to the fact that the web of intrigue stuff is back, I assume that he will, he will probably end up going after Gentek. Which means that there has to be room in the game's story for Heller to at first go after Mercer, then realise that it's not his fault, then team-up or whatever. So, you're probably not going to fight him at the end of the game, which means you won't have all your powers (more likely than not), unless you decide to turn on him, or he decides to turn on you for some reason.
Edit: For teaming up, they still have similar goals of going after whoever is responsible. Mercer still hates Blackwatch, and as the virus, he still has some humanity. Maybe they won't team up, but at the very least, Heller will shift his focus.
The web of intrigue in the second game is a separate mystery that has no impact on the main story. The main story is fully self contained and nothing learnt in the new "conspiracy" side part will have an impact on the events in it. It's in the digital EGMi if you want to see what I'm talking about. The scenario you are describing is logical knowing what we do of how the first game worked, where WOI follows along with the main story, but it's not going to be that way for 2.
Mercer not responsible for everything doesn't mean he didn't kill Heller's family. He may have actually killed them, by accident or through something he did, and I doubt Heller is going to care which one. It also doesn't mean that Heller will change his mind about wanting to kill him even if he wasn't responsible.
I don't think someone consumed with revenge is going to blink twice if told "It wasn't really me, I'm just a virus, it was the real Alex Mercer who dropped the vial and killed your wife and child. Friends?"
On top of that Mercer might not even tell Heller. you are assuming Mercer would want to. All of these objections are ones you cannot reject because you don't have enough information. You constructed the whole thing out of a vague developer comment that has two interpretations, but you are only allowing one. You assume they will team up because that one makes sense to you, but the points you are making don't actually lead to it naturally.
That's why you have lost me. Get it?
(I'm not angry btw. I'm just taking the time to explain myself thoroughly.)
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Yeah, I'd walk down the street eating absolutely everyone in my path. he was never the nicest guy.
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I doubt they're going on what the individual player did so much as what he did during cutscenes and such.
In which he was neither really villain or hero.
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What I liked about Prototype was that Mercer was essentially the villain of the story, fighting another larger, more faceless villain (evil ruthless military organization)
They did go out of their way to make it clear that everyone who ever worked for Blackwatch were motherfuckers, and they made it clear in every cutscene featuring Blackwatch that they were sadistic assholes who killed civilians and showed no mercy
But none of that changed the fact that Mercer tore people in half and ate them, and then drove a tank around and didn't give a shit if he ran over some civilians
There is no way to go through that game without killing an innocent. None
His switch to villain makes sense, though I will be sad if I have to off him in this game, since I find him a vaguely interesting character
You've got to consider that the virus is a little unhinged emotionally when he starts the game fighting to protect someone he thinks he loves and to reclaim a life he thinks he had. Then it starts a race for survival and answers and suddenly, after regenerating from a nuclear blast, it has time to think, and consider that at that moment, it is the most powerful and death resistant mofo on the planet.
That said, a few small sacrifices on the way to his larger goals would sound acceptable in that mindset.
So you can tear a tanks turret off and smash the tank with it.
I'm going to do this allllll dayyyyy.
Actually, no. You can grab a tank by the turret and use it like a hammer.
Which is even more bad-ass.
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Might wanna rewatch that trailer in 720p fullscreen there bud cos it shows him quite clearly ripping the tanks turret off by the barrel before hammering the remains of the tank with it.
Also anyone who hasn't watched it in 720p full screen needs to. Embedding doesn't do it justice.
There's so much detail on the streets and pedestrians compared to last time. Try pausing on the moment when it shows him gliding above the street. Lots of stuff happening down there.
The shadows and detail on the buildings is great as well. The bricks in the walls are detailed rather than the flat brown texture of the last game.
I don't really know the right technical words to describe what it looks like so just try it.
Also I found this. Shows a bit of an approach to a mission.
Check out the little details like the lights on the enemies radio.
When he's on the street the detail on the walls and the trash on the street. Pipes and stuff.
Then the scene where all of this gets deformed by that tendril power on a crowded street full of detailed stuff, tanks, people, trees, streetlights etc all being torn apart and blasted everywhere.
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Looking good. I didn't mind the graphical simplicity of the first game, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that I'm pleased that the graphics are looking so much better in the second one
Incidentally, I found an E3 article on Prototype 2. Nothing really new, but an interesting read nonetheless.
You've got to consider that the virus is a little unhinged emotionally when he starts the game fighting to protect someone he thinks he loves and to reclaim a life he thinks he had. Then it starts a race for survival and answers and suddenly, after regenerating from a nuclear blast, it has time to think, and consider that at that moment, it is the most powerful and death resistant mofo on the planet.
That said, a few small sacrifices on the way to his larger goals would sound acceptable in that mindset.
The way I saw it, or maybe just the way I played, Alex's motivations were threefold:
OM, NOM, NOM.
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You've got to consider that the virus is a little unhinged emotionally when he starts the game fighting to protect someone he thinks he loves and to reclaim a life he thinks he had. Then it starts a race for survival and answers and suddenly, after regenerating from a nuclear blast, it has time to think, and consider that at that moment, it is the most powerful and death resistant mofo on the planet.
That said, a few small sacrifices on the way to his larger goals would sound acceptable in that mindset.
The way I saw it, or maybe just the way I played, Alex's motivations were threefold:
OM, NOM, NOM.
*sincere golfclap*
Well played good chap, by golly.
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that new power looks so freaking fun, my one hope is you can string up a series of objects and then free-run up them all like a staircase of cars and bodies.
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Well Mercer had some fairly ominous lines near the end of the last game. Thousands of voices in his head from all the people he'd consumed, the increasing degree to which he was embracing his inhumanity, I don't think it would be all that shocking for him to have become a fairly alien psyche by now.
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But he seemed a bit wracked with guilt. And it's one thing to accept your dark nature and embrace it. It's entirely another to want to spread this evil virus thing, which apparently doesn't much like him either, all over the place.
Also, why was it he was at odds with all the freaky mutants again? I don't remember that too clearly, it's been a while since I played this.
Yeah, he made some leaps of logic in his mind which he didn't explain properly on here. Also, I just want to say that every time I glance at your avatar, I totally see Kurt from MDK2. It's that blade, man, it just looks like his pointy helmet to me.
End game Prototype 1 spoilers, for anyone who happens to be watching my lets play for the first time and actually cares. You never know.
Greene is not infected with Blacklight, she was infected with Redlight, the virus intended to target specific racial genotypes. She produced the precursor to Blacklight that Gentek took and created Blacklight from.
That's why the Redlight virus doesn't really have any super dramatic transformations other than Greenes. And even then it was weird and freaky and not really particularly useful. It couldn't change itself or do anything noteworthy. It was a solid immutable mass.
Even hunters were just big gorilla style things. They couldn't adapt to anything.
In contrast, Blacklight enables an organise to change itself as it wishes.
My own personal speculation is that the organisms Heller will fight in 2 will be the result of Mercer eatin up Greene and creating great big beasties that can morphulate and shapeulate. So getting the size and mass of Greene's mutation freaky beasties and the more dangerous properties of Mercers. For example, if you look at the big screenies of the giant mutant thingy that Heller is fighting, it looks like it has muscle mass arms.
I also think all the freaky shit all over the city is a result of the Blacklight virus as well: changing living tissue into whatever it wants, in this case stuff that spreads out like that.
They also mentioned that hunters this time around will have more advanced tactics that they can use. I gather from this that they're gonna get limited shapulating abilities as well.
(I refuse to stop using morphulate and shapulate because they amuse me too much.)
Mercer was never a hero in the first place so him going off the deep end is basically "yep, bout what I expected really".
I don't hold any particular attachment to this theory it's just what seems the most likely given what we know right now.
Just weird that he'd create a nemesis for himself with Heller. Guess we'll need to see some 'splainin when the game drops.
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Well, Mercer isn't responsible for everything. If Heller starts to try and find out the truth, which, due to the fact that the web of intrigue stuff is back, I assume that he will, he will probably end up going after Gentek. Which means that there has to be room in the game's story for Heller to at first go after Mercer, then realise that it's not his fault, then team-up or whatever. So, you're probably not going to fight him at the end of the game, which means you won't have all your powers (more likely than not), unless you decide to turn on him, or he decides to turn on you for some reason.
Edit: For teaming up, they still have similar goals of going after whoever is responsible. Mercer still hates Blackwatch, and as the virus, he still has some humanity. Maybe they won't team up, but at the very least, Heller will shift his focus.
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The web of intrigue in the second game is a separate mystery that has no impact on the main story. The main story is fully self contained and nothing learnt in the new "conspiracy" side part will have an impact on the events in it. It's in the digital EGMi if you want to see what I'm talking about. The scenario you are describing is logical knowing what we do of how the first game worked, where WOI follows along with the main story, but it's not going to be that way for 2.
Mercer not responsible for everything doesn't mean he didn't kill Heller's family. He may have actually killed them, by accident or through something he did, and I doubt Heller is going to care which one. It also doesn't mean that Heller will change his mind about wanting to kill him even if he wasn't responsible.
On top of that Mercer might not even tell Heller. you are assuming Mercer would want to. All of these objections are ones you cannot reject because you don't have enough information. You constructed the whole thing out of a vague developer comment that has two interpretations, but you are only allowing one. You assume they will team up because that one makes sense to you, but the points you are making don't actually lead to it naturally.
That's why you have lost me. Get it?
(I'm not angry btw. I'm just taking the time to explain myself thoroughly.)
Video giving bit more info on Alec Mercer's role in P2 and some awesome gameplay footage.
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In which he was neither really villain or hero.
They did go out of their way to make it clear that everyone who ever worked for Blackwatch were motherfuckers, and they made it clear in every cutscene featuring Blackwatch that they were sadistic assholes who killed civilians and showed no mercy
But none of that changed the fact that Mercer tore people in half and ate them, and then drove a tank around and didn't give a shit if he ran over some civilians
There is no way to go through that game without killing an innocent. None
His switch to villain makes sense, though I will be sad if I have to off him in this game, since I find him a vaguely interesting character
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Think about what would happen if it started infected people widespread...
So hyped.
I mean...I know they were saying that all along. But I had a sliver of hope.
Can't wait!
I'm going to do this allllll dayyyyy.
Do you hear me Radical? I CAN'T TAKE ANOTHER BROKEN HEART.
That said, a few small sacrifices on the way to his larger goals would sound acceptable in that mindset.
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Actually, no. You can grab a tank by the turret and use it like a hammer.
Which is even more bad-ass.
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Also anyone who hasn't watched it in 720p full screen needs to. Embedding doesn't do it justice.
There's so much detail on the streets and pedestrians compared to last time. Try pausing on the moment when it shows him gliding above the street. Lots of stuff happening down there.
The shadows and detail on the buildings is great as well. The bricks in the walls are detailed rather than the flat brown texture of the last game.
I don't really know the right technical words to describe what it looks like so just try it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTjXH9HfTyg
Also I found this. Shows a bit of an approach to a mission.
Check out the little details like the lights on the enemies radio.
When he's on the street the detail on the walls and the trash on the street. Pipes and stuff.
Then the scene where all of this gets deformed by that tendril power on a crowded street full of detailed stuff, tanks, people, trees, streetlights etc all being torn apart and blasted everywhere.
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Incidentally, I found an E3 article on Prototype 2. Nothing really new, but an interesting read nonetheless.
The way I saw it, or maybe just the way I played, Alex's motivations were threefold:
*sincere golfclap*
Well played good chap, by golly.
i've been playing more prototype lately, and even though the missions are boring i'm having fun just going for achievements. the consume 200 people one was fun, i went on a murderous rampage through the city, yelling I FEED
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Seriously, though, I wonder how permenant these tendrils are. Will they last for awhile, are they removable?
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That's the date this is being released.
http://www.bluesnews.com/a/2426/activision-confirms-april-2012-for-prototype-2-and-showcases-the-game-at-san-diego-comic-con
To celebrate, have a new trailer.