I haven't closely followed COD Black Ops development much, but with my only knowledge of it at this point being that its about Cold War era black ops missions (i.e. the Vietnam we've seen in the trailer), I wouldn't be that surprised to see a level where you are a black ops soldier in Afghanistan in the early '80's fighting alongside the Mujahideen against the Russians.
Maybe they've released a level list or something I missed that disproves that though.
Maybe you do a mission supporting them against the Russians, and then there's a flash forward and you're leading an operation against the same guys you were friends with 20 years before. Bonus points if they aren't carboard cutouts and you really get to know them beyond "crazy guy that screams and has an ak47"
That is waaaaay beyond Treyarch. CoD:WaW covered the highly controversial Battle of Pelilieu - arguably the most pointless battle of WWII, with a massive casualty count - and made pretty much zero commentary on it.
Instead, we'll get Taliban zombies and death cards!
I agree with EA on this. AAFES is being a bunch of sensitive retards, as is that mother. Yea, I'm sorry your Son died while at war against the Taliban, but COME ON. Can you not separate a fictional video game from reality?
All AAFES is doing is preventing soldiers from relaxing, unwinding, and playing a video game they might enjoy. Tell Me AAFES, Maj. Gen. whomever, why is appropriate that you'll continue to sell COD4 and MW2 and BC2, which depict real armies dying against fictional bad guys, but the moment you introduce a real enemy it's no longer cool. Even with fictional bad guys it's still REAL FREAKING ARMIES dying on the screen. Why is THAT acceptable?
I've seen that. The funny thing is that the ONN video is closer to reality than COD4 or MW2. But who wants the play the shit out of that? Waiting around all day, maybe do a patrol or convoy, maybe get hit or not, to RTB and waiting around all day again.
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I think the issue is silly. But I understand their decision. People can still get the game, it just might not be appropriate or considered "good for morale" for a military organisation to indirectly profit from the sale of a simulation of the killing of their their soldiers.
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Waffles or whateverPreviously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen"Registered Userregular
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Its only for the mulitplayer mode where you can play as the Taliban. Being a Soldier in the US Army I don't really see the problem with this. We've played as terrorists in Counter-Strike, OP Force in the Call of Duty Series, Vietnamese in in Battlefield Vietnam, and even as Nazis in many World War II games. Its hardly any different for MOH.
Medal of Honor is banned from being sold on all US Military Bases because it allows you to kill US Soldiers as the Taliban.
Every time I see that it never ceases to amuse. I hadn't seen their new "Time to release magazine aimed at adults" video though, so I'm glad you linked it.
Its only for the mulitplayer mode where you can play as the Taliban. Being a Soldier in the US Army I don't really see the problem with this. We've played as terrorists in Counter-Strike, OP Force in the Call of Duty Series, Vietnamese in in Battlefield Vietnam, and even as Nazis in many World War II games. Its hardly any different for MOH.
Or OpFor in real life, for that matter. I've pointed a M16A2 (loaded with blanks) at another soldier during a FTX. Not a big deal.
This is a tempest in a teapot. All they are really doing is screwing up EA's profit margins for the benefit of Activision's.
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Waffles or whateverPreviously known as, I shit you not, "Waffen"Registered Userregular
edited September 2010
I can't really see it screwing up EA's profit margin. This is indirect advertising for EA. What have we learned from Modern Warfare 2 that highly controversial levels (Airport Terrorist level) attracts attention. All it will do is get more people interested in the game because they hear you can play as the Taliban.
I mean, it's potentially in poor form, but really? It's sort of propganda. We're engaged in a "war" with the taliban right now. They are the enemy of the United States. An enemy that has an absolute hatred for quite a bit of what we treasure in our country. Do they have SOME legitimate justification for that anger? Probably, somewhere. But it's buried underneath countless ridiculous things that make quite a few people want to blow themselves up to fuck with the US.
So if a US guy wants to make a video game about one of our soldiers fighting in that area against the people that hate me...I have no problem with that.
Singleplayer campaigns in FPSes have never trivialized or made light of any war. There's always sections of seeing the horrors of war. Allies dying, people crying, explosions rocking against a bunker as the troops sit against the ground. I've never played an FPS based on an actual conflict with a single player campaign that made me think "Oh wow, they're really making light of all these deaths."
Video games are a way to experience things we couldn't otherwise. Some of us have at least a fraction of an idea of what it would have been like to storm Normandy beach, or drive a tank in the Battle of the Bulge. This stuff is actually somewhat important I think. It lets us relive history in a unique way. (In some cases)
If they're letting you play as the Taliban in the campaign, that's a problem. Especially if it tries to be somewhat sympathetic. If it's just a multiplayer skin, who gives a shit?
There is no legitimate justification for Taliban "anger". They are horrendous demons who want to destroy every last American and god knows who else. They'll even kill their own men to do this. They need to be put down and whatever environment that made people become like them needs to be addressed.
Regarding Medal of Honor.. I have friends in the marines and they all play Modern Warfare, and they've all also killed many people in real life, so if it's fine for them it's fine for me. Can't speak for anyone else but me and them, though. To each his own.
edit: Oh and I guess the issue is about playing as the Taliban. Yeah, that's stupid. This is the same dumb bullshit as the airport massacre in MW2. It matters. These games are not films and they aren't reaching any artistic message, and anyone with pretension enough to say they do needs to get a reality check. It's in stupid, stupid taste.
edit 2: Correction again, if it's MP only then it actually isn't a big deal because that has nothing to do with the story. If the single player involved a pointed Taliban mission to kill Americans, that's different. Maybe it's a thin line.
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There is no legitimate justification for Taliban "anger". They are horrendous demons who want to destroy every last American and god knows who else. They'll even kill their own men to do this. They need to be put down and whatever environment that made people become like them needs to be addressed.
I can think of at least ten reasons why their anger is legitimate.
The first being that during the Cold War, the US trained and armed the Taliban in order to root an insurgency against the Russians. They then got ripped to shreds by the Russian Hind D's until the US finally provided them with heat seeking missiles to combat them.
Then let's move onto the actual invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq by the US. On top of all the civilian deaths, the US occupation seems to be doing remarkably well in totally obliterating private property. On youtube alone there are enough videos of 400 pound bombs smacking into minnarets on mosques and farmhouses to get a very good look at why the Afghans and Iraqis come to hate the US.
The US are the invaders. Many civilians have become insurgents in order to repel them, or take revenge. It is not an unfounded and unjustified hatred.
There is no legitimate justification for Taliban "anger". They are horrendous demons who want to destroy every last American and god knows who else. They'll even kill their own men to do this. They need to be put down and whatever environment that made people become like them needs to be addressed.
I can think of at least ten reasons why their anger is legitimate.
The first being that during the Cold War, the US trained and armed the Taliban in order to root an insurgency against the Russians. They then got ripped to shreds by the Russian Hind D's until the US finally provided them with heat seeking missiles to combat them.
Then let's move onto the actual invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq by the US. On top of all the civilian deaths, the US occupation seems to be doing remarkably well in totally obliterating private property. On youtube alone there are enough videos of 400 pound bombs smacking into minnarets on mosques and farmhouses to get a very good look at why the Afghans and Iraqis come to hate the US.
The US are the invaders. Many civilians have become insurgents in order to repel them, or take revenge. It is not an unfounded and unjustified hatred.
Also the stuff that rarely makes the main headlines despite being utterly sickening. Seriously, they gave the Pastor burning the Korans the main headline over this?
For those who can't view the link for whatever reason; US soldiers have been charged with murdering Afghan civilians and keeping their body parts as trophies. It is only a preliminary charge but still, you'd think they'd show this shit over the dickwad Pastor and his gang of misfits.
There is no legitimate justification for Taliban "anger". They are horrendous demons who want to destroy every last American and god knows who else. They'll even kill their own men to do this. They need to be put down and whatever environment that made people become like them needs to be addressed.
The funny part here is that this environment? Yeah, USA is the biggest part of that. It's not like they threw a dart on a map and decided "Let's hate THIS country!"
There is no legitimate justification for Taliban "anger". They are horrendous demons who want to destroy every last American and god knows who else. They'll even kill their own men to do this. They need to be put down and whatever environment that made people become like them needs to be addressed.
The funny part here is that this environment? Yeah, USA is the biggest part of that. It's not like they threw a dart on a map and decided "Let's hate THIS country!"
So it's our fault that they are completely fucked up in literally every way? They stone women to death for heresay. They blow themselves up to kill innocent people. Nothing we could have done short of massacre their wives and children holocaust style would justify what they are now doing, along with their ideologies. The extremist culture over there itself is just demented.
There is no legitimate justification for Taliban "anger". They are horrendous demons who want to destroy every last American and god knows who else. They'll even kill their own men to do this. They need to be put down and whatever environment that made people become like them needs to be addressed.
The funny part here is that this environment? Yeah, USA is the biggest part of that. It's not like they threw a dart on a map and decided "Let's hate THIS country!"
So it's our fault that they are completely fucked up in literally every way? They stone women to death for heresay. They blow themselves up to kill innocent people. Nothing we could have done short of massacre their wives and children holocaust style would justify what they are now doing, along with their ideologies. The extremist culture over there itself is just demented.
What you're actually complaining about here is extremist Islamic culture. Not the Taliban. They are not one and the same. Not all Taliban are religious fundamentalists and not all radical Islamics are militants.
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That is waaaaay beyond Treyarch. CoD:WaW covered the highly controversial Battle of Pelilieu - arguably the most pointless battle of WWII, with a massive casualty count - and made pretty much zero commentary on it.
Instead, we'll get Taliban zombies and death cards!
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All AAFES is doing is preventing soldiers from relaxing, unwinding, and playing a video game they might enjoy. Tell Me AAFES, Maj. Gen. whomever, why is appropriate that you'll continue to sell COD4 and MW2 and BC2, which depict real armies dying against fictional bad guys, but the moment you introduce a real enemy it's no longer cool. Even with fictional bad guys it's still REAL FREAKING ARMIES dying on the screen. Why is THAT acceptable?
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I've seen that. The funny thing is that the ONN video is closer to reality than COD4 or MW2. But who wants the play the shit out of that? Waiting around all day, maybe do a patrol or convoy, maybe get hit or not, to RTB and waiting around all day again.
Medal of Honor is banned from being sold on all US Military Bases because it allows you to kill US Soldiers as the Taliban.
Every time I see that it never ceases to amuse. I hadn't seen their new "Time to release magazine aimed at adults" video though, so I'm glad you linked it.
Or OpFor in real life, for that matter. I've pointed a M16A2 (loaded with blanks) at another soldier during a FTX. Not a big deal.
This is a tempest in a teapot. All they are really doing is screwing up EA's profit margins for the benefit of Activision's.
There is no legitimate justification for Taliban "anger". They are horrendous demons who want to destroy every last American and god knows who else. They'll even kill their own men to do this. They need to be put down and whatever environment that made people become like them needs to be addressed.
Regarding Medal of Honor.. I have friends in the marines and they all play Modern Warfare, and they've all also killed many people in real life, so if it's fine for them it's fine for me. Can't speak for anyone else but me and them, though. To each his own.
edit: Oh and I guess the issue is about playing as the Taliban. Yeah, that's stupid. This is the same dumb bullshit as the airport massacre in MW2. It matters. These games are not films and they aren't reaching any artistic message, and anyone with pretension enough to say they do needs to get a reality check. It's in stupid, stupid taste.
edit 2: Correction again, if it's MP only then it actually isn't a big deal because that has nothing to do with the story. If the single player involved a pointed Taliban mission to kill Americans, that's different. Maybe it's a thin line.
I can think of at least ten reasons why their anger is legitimate.
The first being that during the Cold War, the US trained and armed the Taliban in order to root an insurgency against the Russians. They then got ripped to shreds by the Russian Hind D's until the US finally provided them with heat seeking missiles to combat them.
Then let's move onto the actual invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq by the US. On top of all the civilian deaths, the US occupation seems to be doing remarkably well in totally obliterating private property. On youtube alone there are enough videos of 400 pound bombs smacking into minnarets on mosques and farmhouses to get a very good look at why the Afghans and Iraqis come to hate the US.
The US are the invaders. Many civilians have become insurgents in order to repel them, or take revenge. It is not an unfounded and unjustified hatred.
Also the stuff that rarely makes the main headlines despite being utterly sickening. Seriously, they gave the Pastor burning the Korans the main headline over this?
For those who can't view the link for whatever reason; US soldiers have been charged with murdering Afghan civilians and keeping their body parts as trophies. It is only a preliminary charge but still, you'd think they'd show this shit over the dickwad Pastor and his gang of misfits.
The funny part here is that this environment? Yeah, USA is the biggest part of that. It's not like they threw a dart on a map and decided "Let's hate THIS country!"
So it's our fault that they are completely fucked up in literally every way? They stone women to death for heresay. They blow themselves up to kill innocent people. Nothing we could have done short of massacre their wives and children holocaust style would justify what they are now doing, along with their ideologies. The extremist culture over there itself is just demented.
What you're actually complaining about here is extremist Islamic culture. Not the Taliban. They are not one and the same. Not all Taliban are religious fundamentalists and not all radical Islamics are militants.