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    CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    glimmung wrote: »
    also hey why is everyone's suspension of disbelief broken by vigors, but not by the fucking clothes? how the hell do magic pants and shirts let me cover myself with an ice shield when I jump on a skyline? why does my hat make me do more damage when I've murdered more mans!? why do my shoes make me incapable of aiming without using the scope??? ???????

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    Clothing is a left over from an earlier more permanent perk system. There were probably xp and story based unlocks in an earlier build.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    How are you supposed to target the gears on the backs of robo-Washingtons? I shock them and get a shot or two off at best but if salts are low, how do you outsmart them?

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    CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    How are you supposed to target the gears on the backs of robo-Washingtons? I shock them and get a shot or two off at best but if salts are low, how do you outsmart them?

    Try shock traps, or possessing them and zapping them right when their possession ends.

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    Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    Is it possible to possess more than a single mook at a time? I tried but I swear it wore off the first guy when I zapped the second.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    Cantido wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    How are you supposed to target the gears on the backs of robo-Washingtons? I shock them and get a shot or two off at best but if salts are low, how do you outsmart them?

    Try shock traps, or possessing them and zapping them right when their possession ends.

    No, how do you beat one without using salts?

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    glimmungglimmung Registered User regular
    edited April 2013
    Big Classy wrote: »
    Is it possible to possess more than a single mook at a time? I tried but I swear it wore off the first guy when I zapped the second.

    Nope. Can't have more than one at a time.
    Rules for possession.
    Only one person at a time.
    Crows, Firemen, Mechanical Patriots, and Turrets do not suicide.
    Does not work at all on Handymen.

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    glimmungglimmung Registered User regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Cantido wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    How are you supposed to target the gears on the backs of robo-Washingtons? I shock them and get a shot or two off at best but if salts are low, how do you outsmart them?

    Try shock traps, or possessing them and zapping them right when their possession ends.

    No, how do you beat one without using salts?

    Melee shock clothing works great on them. Also head shots do crit them (I think).

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    Big ClassyBig Classy Registered User regular
    glimmung wrote: »
    Big Classy wrote: »
    Is it possible to possess more than a single mook at a time? I tried but I swear it wore off the first guy when I zapped the second.

    Nope. Can't have more than one at a time.
    Rules for possession.
    Only one person at a time.
    Crows, Firemen, Mechanical Patriots, and Turrets do not suicide.
    Does not work at all on Handymen.

    Awww, I was for sure hoping an upgrade would allow for more possessions.

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    sPider817sPider817 Registered User, ClubPA regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    How are you supposed to target the gears on the backs of robo-Washingtons? I shock them and get a shot or two off at best but if salts are low, how do you outsmart them?
    Fuck the gears, just spam Volley Gun fire into them.

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    glimmungglimmung Registered User regular
    edited April 2013
    Ok that was just weird, a post that I thought lost just appeared after an hour.

    glimmung on
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    VeganVegan Registered User regular
    klemming wrote: »
    1999 mode has managed to convince me I'm no longer Hardcore.
    One death before I got the shield, three after, and I still haven't even reached Elizabeth.

    I figure I either give up on this, or become angry and bitter about my lack of skills.

    There's a couple of bullshit fights toward the end of the game, even on Normal. If you're having trouble with 1999 now, you're pretty well fucked. In my opinion.

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    PsychoLarry1PsychoLarry1 Registered User regular
    So this game is beautiful and wonderful and well written and fun and all.

    But FUCK [late game spoilers]
    these ghost fights

    Sucked all the fun out of combat for me.

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    KupiKupi Registered User regular
    sPider817 wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    How are you supposed to target the gears on the backs of robo-Washingtons? I shock them and get a shot or two off at best but if salts are low, how do you outsmart them?
    Fuck the gears, just spam Volley Gun fire into them.

    Also, I noticed that after a while, they have to stop to reload. At that point, they'll kneel over to crank the gun a bit, at which point the gears will become visible head-on.

    Also, despite the help text, standard headshots still provide critical damage. It's just that you eventually lose the head.

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    DranythDranyth Surf ColoradoRegistered User regular
    I suppose I haven't posted in a while, I did end up beating the game the other night around 3am on Hard. I quite enjoyed it. As far as, spoilers regarding fights near the end of the game...
    The last handyman fight in front of the bank was a huuuuuge pain in the ass because I kept getting him super low, then he'd kill me and get back to half health. It didn't seem like there was nearly enough ammo around, though to be fair I never did check to see if time freezes while you're at a vending machine, so it's possible I could've bought more.

    The Ghost fights were fairly annoying, but at that point I was using upgraded Crows to create huge areas of trapped bodies with the zombies she kept summoning. The only one that was actually difficult was the final fight because she moved around way too much and wouldn't give me a clear shot.

    The final defense against the Vox I actually one shot on Hard, that is, I never lost the ship and had to start over. Liz did have to bring me back about 4 or 5 times. I might've gotten lucky, but I only sent Songbird after the ships/blimps whenever he was off cooldown. I didn't even realize I could jump to them myself, I just took out the Vox and fucking Patriots on the deck. God damn I hate those Patriots... Somehow when I picked up the RPG, my carbine that I replaced fell through the floor and I wasn't able to get it back, which was a pain in the ass, but again, luckily it was the final fight.

    I am not even really thinking of going through 1999 mode... I ended up missing about 3-5 Voxophones by the end of the game, I did get Sightseer. Thinking of at least finding a Voxophone guide to try and figure out where the ones I missed are... I think I might've missed Infusions too, and I didn't get the achievement for getting one upgrade to 10 because I had been spreading them evenly.

    I didn't even know the Vigor combos existed until I noticed the achievement that I didn't get for it, but otherwise I'm mostly just missing some of the various kills achievements, so meh.

    I'm tempted to work on finishing Bioshock 2 now. As long as I don't alt-tab much, I shouldn't have to worry about my PC overheating to hell.

    The other thing I feel like doing soon is my High Chaos Dishonored run. Good games, good games.

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    Minerva_SCMinerva_SC Registered User regular
    Just beat it. Easily the worst of the 3 games, and doesn't deserve half the praise it gets. The world was pretty, and the characters were interesting and well written, at least when it came to the recordings you find scattered around, but other than that it was a pretty straight forward shooter, and Elizabeth ranks pretty low on the "video game companion" tier list. It was also easy as balls for 90% of the game, the difficulty spike towards the end was nice though. I'd give it a 6/10.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    I bought the season pass. This early bird gear is kind of insane. Triple Melee Range and 70% chance to shock and stun for 4 seconds? 75% Extra on clip sizes? And 5 infusions!

    It's like I started with charge and I one shot everything because most if the time the shock from the melee hit explodes heads.

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    BrocksMulletBrocksMullet Into the sunrise, on a jet-ski. Natch.Registered User regular
    Minerva_SC wrote: »
    Just beat it. Easily the worst of the 3 games, and doesn't deserve half the praise it gets. The world was pretty, and the characters were interesting and well written, at least when it came to the recordings you find scattered around, but other than that it was a pretty straight forward shooter, and Elizabeth ranks pretty low on the "video game companion" tier list. It was also easy as balls for 90% of the game, the difficulty spike towards the end was nice though. I'd give it a 6/10.

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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    Is it true that there's a post credits scene? What happens?

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    FreiFrei A French Prometheus Unbound DeadwoodRegistered User regular
    Minerva_SC wrote: »
    Just beat it. Easily the worst of the 3 games, and doesn't deserve half the praise it gets. The world was pretty, and the characters were interesting and well written, at least when it came to the recordings you find scattered around, but other than that it was a pretty straight forward shooter, and Elizabeth ranks pretty low on the "video game companion" tier list. It was also easy as balls for 90% of the game, the difficulty spike towards the end was nice though. I'd give it a 6/10.

    It's universally praised by both critics and fans, something that doesn't happen often. Why doesn't it deserve the praise? Because you have a different opinion?

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    firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    Is it true that there's a post credits scene? What happens?
    You appear in the office in 18-something (i.e. prior to all this shit), hear a melody like one of them baby-distractor mobiles. You open the door, see a crib, then FADE TO BLACK.

    What you don't see is how Booker makes millions playing celebrity poker and Anna grows up to be an all star dancer who opens a studio by the beach and they all live happily ever after goddamn it.

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    firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    Also
    anyone who doesn't think she's in that crib is a monster.

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    firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    Minerva_SC wrote: »
    Just beat it. Easily the worst of the 3 games, and doesn't deserve half the praise it gets. The world was pretty, and the characters were interesting and well written, at least when it came to the recordings you find scattered around, but other than that it was a pretty straight forward shooter, and Elizabeth ranks pretty low on the "video game companion" tier list. It was also easy as balls for 90% of the game, the difficulty spike towards the end was nice though. I'd give it a 6/10.

    Out of curiosity, what ranks high on your "'video game companion' tier list."

    I mean I'm hard pressed here. Maybe, maybe the blob from A Boy and His Blob on NES might get up there. Maybe.

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    ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    At this point, a "disagree" button wouldn't even come close to fulfilling my desired response to that post.

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    FreiFrei A French Prometheus Unbound DeadwoodRegistered User regular
    Like I get that people, when they post things like that where they don't explain their opinion or anything and throw out some arbitrary rating, they just want attention for having a "unique" opinion, but... really, contribute something to the discussion. You aren't saying anything by just trying to be controversial.

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    knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    Elizabeth is never the object of an escort mission, she helps you find loot, and occasionally throws you valuable stuff exactly when you need it.

    She's easily the best nonviolent companion I've ever had in a video game.

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    firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    Man, if anything, she escorts you.

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    Lucid_SeraphLucid_Seraph TealDeer MarylandRegistered User regular
    I mean I could see arguing Yorda from ICO, but Yorda doesn't have much personality, also you have to protect her the whole time. Maybe Alyx Vance? (didI spell that right?)

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    MrDelishMrDelish Registered User regular
    Also
    anyone who doesn't think she's in that crib is a monster.

    the above and proceeding spoilers are ending spoilers
    she's got to be. None of the ending cutscene Elizabeths are your Elizabeth, as none of them wear the necklace you chose and Booker says "Of course it is, I remember--wait. You're not...you're not...who are you?"

    However, I can't think of a logical leap from there that Booker exists at all, since I was and am still under the impression that every Booker (Booker Prime) was drowned in the ending cutscene so Comstock would never exist.

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    wakkawawakkawa Registered User regular
    MrDelish wrote: »
    Also
    anyone who doesn't think she's in that crib is a monster.

    the above and proceeding spoilers are ending spoilers
    she's got to be. None of the ending cutscene Elizabeths are your Elizabeth, as none of them wear the necklace you chose and Booker says "Of course it is, I remember--wait. You're not...you're not...who are you?"

    However, I can't think of a logical leap from there that Booker exists at all, since I was and am still under the impression that every Booker (Booker Prime) was drowned in the ending cutscene so Comstock would never exist.

    I just finished it but
    The ending made sense in the same way Looper made sense. You really aren't suppose to ask how the main character existed just that they broke the cycle. And this is why you don't try to make sense of anything dealing with time travel.

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    firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    MrDelish wrote: »
    Also
    anyone who doesn't think she's in that crib is a monster.

    the above and proceeding spoilers are ending spoilers
    she's got to be. None of the ending cutscene Elizabeths are your Elizabeth, as none of them wear the necklace you chose and Booker says "Of course it is, I remember--wait. You're not...you're not...who are you?"

    However, I can't think of a logical leap from there that Booker exists at all, since I was and am still under the impression that every Booker (Booker Prime) was drowned in the ending cutscene so Comstock would never exist.
    Oh man I didn't even think to look for the necklace. Good looking out!

    And re: the 2nd thing - I like to think that the bit we saw was the drowning of the Booker(s) who will accept the baptism. All of them or something I guess. Anyway, the Booker(s) that refuse are all good.

    The point is that this game has a happy ending and that's that.
    God I can't wait to replay this. I've forgotten so much already yay!

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    CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    So, here are the three DLCs I want to see. Ending spoilers ahoy.
    1. Playable Songbird
    2. More 1984 Columbia
    3. The Luteces showing us Wounded Knee as Booker, Beijing as Slate, and Paris under siege by Columbia as Elizabeth

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    Minerva_SCMinerva_SC Registered User regular
    edited April 2013
    Frei wrote: »
    Like I get that people, when they post things like that where they don't explain their opinion or anything and throw out some arbitrary rating, they just want attention for having a "unique" opinion, but... really, contribute something to the discussion. You aren't saying anything by just trying to be controversial.

    I don't understand how my post was controversial? I don't remember calling the game garbage, simply coming off of bioshock 1 and 2, I expected more, and the game didn't meet my expectations. I didn't feel the need to write a giant review of the game for such a fast moving thread, simply dropping by and giving my short thoughts on the game after finishing it. Feel free to ignore my post(s).

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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    I interpreted Elizabeth in the end as
    being outside of time now, and no longer being bound to the timelines - she can walk among them, opening tears, as she pleases

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    firewaterwordfirewaterword Satchitananda Pais Vasco to San FranciscoRegistered User regular
    OK but who is your number one videogame homey Minerva?
    I interpreted Elizabeth in the end as
    being outside of time now, and no longer being bound to the timelines - she can walk among them, opening tears, as she pleases
    Maybe. But if there's no Booker > Comstock, there's no Elizabeth.

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    Dread Pirate ArbuthnotDread Pirate Arbuthnot OMG WRIGGLY T O X O P L A S M O S I SRegistered User regular
    OK but who is your number one videogame homey Minerva?
    I interpreted Elizabeth in the end as
    being outside of time now, and no longer being bound to the timelines - she can walk among them, opening tears, as she pleases
    Maybe. But if there's no Booker > Comstock, there's no Elizabeth.
    I saw it as all other Elizabeths from the Booker > Comstock branching path are gone except your Elizabeth, who is now outside of the timeline altogether, and so is Booker - except he got drowned

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    kedinikkedinik Captain of Industry Registered User regular
    Man, if anything, she escorts you.
    I was so lonely and starved for supplies when I fought my way through the asylum alone.

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    CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    Ending spoilers.
    Exactly how much did elderly Elizabeth/the Archangel effect the plot? Its clear that brainwashed Elizabeth is at least the one giving Comstock visions of Columbia. But is she also the one responsible for the office and the New York flash forward?

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    Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    Ending spoilers.
    Exactly how much did elderly Elizabeth/the Archangel effect the plot? Its clear that brainwashed Elizabeth is at least the one giving Comstock visions of Columbia. But is she also the one responsible for the office and the New York flash forward?

    She is directly responsible for:
    The breaking of the circle. By sending the note and Booker back finally break the infinite destructive loop caused by the Baptism decision.

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    HounHoun Registered User regular
    Minerva_SC wrote: »
    Just beat it. Easily the worst of the 3 games, and doesn't deserve half the praise it gets. The world was pretty, and the characters were interesting and well written, at least when it came to the recordings you find scattered around, but other than that it was a pretty straight forward shooter, and Elizabeth ranks pretty low on the "video game companion" tier list. It was also easy as balls for 90% of the game, the difficulty spike towards the end was nice though. I'd give it a 6/10.

    I believe that these two statements are what is causing you trouble. If you didn't like, it, coo. You get your opinion.

    These two statements are pretty broad and beg for additional clarification.

    1. If a game is nearly universally loved by critics and gamers, how is the praise not deserved?
    2. If a Game Companion that is nearly universally loved is rated low on your "tier list", what examples do you feel are better ones?

    You know, instead of walking in and dropping controversy, discuss some controversy. I'm down to debate. ;-)

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    Ghostly ClockworkGhostly Clockwork Registered User regular
    I just had a crazy tearjearker theory.
    How does Booker know to play the guitar, and that particular song? And how does Elizabeth know it from just hearing the first bit? Cause Booker used to sing it to her when she was a baby.

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