As a hunter, Volley sucks (I mean, it does good damage, but it pretty much drops me from having a 4-5 ability rotation down to just spamming a single ability over and over again, and I hate having to click the ability, and then select a location to drop it, wait 6 seconds for it to run it's course, and then do it again.)
Meanwhile, Blizzard went and gave me an awesome new ability (Frost Arrow) that was instantly made utterly worthless.
I would like to see more packs where CC was used, but I think we'd wind up with an issue where you would either have too much, or too little CC, depending on the group makeup.
Like if you had 3 warriors for DPS, well you'd be screwed. Wereas if you had a mage, a warlock and a rogue you could utterly trivialize certain encounters.
I'm not really sure what the solution is here.
EDIT: Also, Cataclysm was a terrible time to institute a "one expansion a year policy." I mean, all that old world content on top of making an expansion's worth of content. Craaaaazy.
I thought WotLK heroics were easy at launch, but my experiences were also colored by my TBC raid gear.
Pretty much the only PUGs I did were with people from other raiding guilds who were racing to start raiding.
SOME Heroics were.
Halls of Lightning? Halls of Stone? Certain Violet Hold bosses? Not easy at launch.
There were plenty of Heroics that raped people hard. Shit, didn't they say at one point that Loken was the most wiped on boss?
Violet hold bosses (and I'm assuming you're referring to the void spawn boss and the ethereal boss) were only challenging if people ignored their core mechanics. Loken was notably more difficult with melee dps, but the premise is similar; if you were doing these fights "the right way," they really weren't that hard.
Stupid people doing fights the wrong way doesn't make the fights hard, it just means the people are stupid. Having stupid people on your team makes anything more challenging.
Quick question: I like the core idea behind the gear from ICC. (You can use Frost badges to get the gear (whether obtained in ICC or not), then use a 10-man item to upgrade them to 10-man gear, and then use a 25-man token to upgrade them to 25-man gear.)
Now, I know they're getting rid of 10-man/25-man gear and just making raid gear, but are they keeping the "badges get you gear, tokens upgrade that gear" and what are the chances that they'll allow things like enchants and gems to carry over?
I thought WotLK heroics were easy at launch, but my experiences were also colored by my TBC raid gear.
Pretty much the only PUGs I did were with people from other raiding guilds who were racing to start raiding.
SOME Heroics were.
Halls of Lightning? Halls of Stone? Certain Violet Hold bosses? Not easy at launch.
There were plenty of Heroics that raped people hard. Shit, didn't they say at one point that Loken was the most wiped on boss?
Yeah, even now I find that most of my Heroic PUGs fail on Halls of Lightning. It's not a difficult instance. Don't stand in shit. Run away from hurty things. Don't try to get all fancy with pulls and leave a ton up in the interest of saving time when you know damn well that something can easily go wrong and fuck up the entire group.
Despite these simple rules, a great deal of my runs through there end in several places:
1) General Bjorngrim. The first fucking boss. He paths around and people just dick off until he gets close and aggros during another pull, causing a wipe. Or the tank will insist on rushing him while he's charged and the healer is at half mana. Or people won't move out of the damned whirlwind.
2) The observatory area. More whirlwinds. Sometimes two going on at once. Don't fucking stand there, guys. Then again, if we had pulled these two trash packs over here, we wouldn't need to bunch up like fucking dumbasses. Oh, wait. It's the two wandering dudes you refused to pull and bring down before the fight. They've come to bend us over the railing and pound our bare asses like a horse. Wipe again.
3) Loken. No, we can't just burn him down through the Lightning Nova. Our healer can't keep up with the damage as it is. Yes, I burned Blood Lust. It's not my fault one of our Death Knights is still using the fucking De-Raged War Axe and the rogue is carrying Stalactite Choppers with Berserking on them. Maybe they should have geared up in another instance before coming.
Azjul Nerub was no cakewalk either. Needed a solid tankset for that one, and probably someone who could cleanse poison.
It's worth noting that the poison is interruptable, and that the poisoning mobs are stunnable. Not that you can rely on anyone to do either of those, though.
People focus firing the Skirmishers and breaking webwraps were also important in the "we can't actually steamroll this instance yet" days, but nobody really seems to do either of those anymore.
Azjul Nerub was no cakewalk either. Needed a solid tankset for that one, and probably someone who could cleanse poison.
It's worth noting that the poison is interruptable, and that the poisoning mobs are stunnable. Not that you can rely on anyone to do either of those, though.
Azjul Nerub was no cakewalk either. Needed a solid tankset for that one, and probably someone who could cleanse poison.
It's worth noting that the poison is interruptable, and that the poisoning mobs are stunnable. Not that you can rely on anyone to do either of those, though.
Exactly.
In that case we should just have instances where the mobs form two lines and high five you as you run through the instance, at the end of which the mayor of mobville hands you your sparkling epics.
Azjul Nerub was no cakewalk either. Needed a solid tankset for that one, and probably someone who could cleanse poison.
It's worth noting that the poison is interruptable, and that the poisoning mobs are stunnable. Not that you can rely on anyone to do either of those, though.
Exactly.
In that case we should just have instances where the mobs form two lines and high five you as you run through the instance, at the end of which the mayor of mobville hands you your sparkling epics.
So status quo?
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Liquid GhostDO YOU HEAR THE VOICES, TOO?!Registered Userregular
edited August 2010
I sometimes wind up with a tank that seems determined to spin Anub'arak completely around this way and that during the fight, resulting in a mad scramble to get away from the Pound whenever it happens.
Speaking again of Heroic HoL, I'm surprised that the fail groups I talked about before hardly ever have problems with Ionar despite the fact that all of its abilities can be avoided using the same tactics you'd use to get away from every other painful thing in the instance. Though I do sometimes wind up with some random person deciding to run through the rest of the group after getting Static Charge or whatever it is.
I thought WotLK heroics were easy at launch, but my experiences were also colored by my TBC raid gear.
Pretty much the only PUGs I did were with people from other raiding guilds who were racing to start raiding.
SOME Heroics were.
Halls of Lightning? Halls of Stone? Certain Violet Hold bosses? Not easy at launch.
There were plenty of Heroics that raped people hard. Shit, didn't they say at one point that Loken was the most wiped on boss?
Violet hold bosses (and I'm assuming you're referring to the void spawn boss and the ethereal boss) were only challenging if people ignored their core mechanics. Loken was notably more difficult with melee dps, but the premise is similar; if you were doing these fights "the right way," they really weren't that hard.
Stupid people doing fights the wrong way doesn't make the fights hard, it just means the people are stupid. Having stupid people on your team makes anything more challenging.
Actually that's ALL that makes fights hard. That's the entirety of what makes anything hard in WoW. People not doing shit properly.
The only difference between now and at launch is that better gear means you can fail more and still suceed.
I sometimes wind up with a tank that seems determined to spin Anub'arak completely around this way and that during the fight, resulting in a mad scramble to get away from the Pound whenever it happens.
I already got shit in this thread for this once, but I use AotD on Anub'arak so that I can kill people with pound. Also, on every dragon. I do this because I am a misanthrope and because it is the only thing that makes my daily random interesting.
"Step right up for the big show! Round and round and round he goes, where he stops, nobody knows!"
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edited August 2010
Maybe they should add a dificulty above heroic that is only available for groups of five queueing together. Since they are using points instead of badges they could give a 10 or 15% bonus that wouldn't cripple people that couldn't get a group together, but enough to make it worth it. I think 15% would be good. It would be like an extra daily random per week.
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I sometimes wind up with a tank that seems determined to spin Anub'arak completely around this way and that during the fight, resulting in a mad scramble to get away from the Pound whenever it happens.
I already got shit in this thread for this once, but I use AotD on Anub'arak so that I can kill people with pound. Also, on every dragon. I do this because I am a misanthrope and because it is the only thing that makes my daily random interesting.
"Step right up for the big show! Round and round and round he goes, where he stops, nobody knows!"
If someone is doing that for the lulz, then I actually have no real problem with it. Once I see that ghoul army pop up or whatever, I know what's up and the Benny Hill music starts playing in my head. Might as well do something to keep me awake.
If they're like a few of the tanks that I've had, though, and they're spinning him in circles in order to avoid the Pound, because "it's going to kill me", then it's time for the nippleshock treatment.
I sometimes wind up with a tank that seems determined to spin Anub'arak completely around this way and that during the fight, resulting in a mad scramble to get away from the Pound whenever it happens.
I already got shit in this thread for this once, but I use AotD on Anub'arak so that I can kill people with pound. Also, on every dragon. I do this because I am a misanthrope and because it is the only thing that makes my daily random interesting.
"Step right up for the big show! Round and round and round he goes, where he stops, nobody knows!"
I don't know what the fuck is going on with Anub'arak anymore. Half the time when he decides it's pounding time he'll randomly turn and face a completely different direction, and bam, some poor Rogue just ate the pound and he's the next target for Corpse Explosion. Kinda sad until the "boom".
I sometimes wind up with a tank that seems determined to spin Anub'arak completely around this way and that during the fight, resulting in a mad scramble to get away from the Pound whenever it happens.
I already got shit in this thread for this once, but I use AotD on Anub'arak so that I can kill people with pound. Also, on every dragon. I do this because I am a misanthrope and because it is the only thing that makes my daily random interesting.
"Step right up for the big show! Round and round and round he goes, where he stops, nobody knows!"
If someone is doing that for the lulz, then I actually have no real problem with it. Once I see that ghoul army pop up or whatever, I know what's up and the Benny Hill music starts playing in my head. Might as well do something to keep me awake.
If they're like a few of the tanks that I've had, though, and they're spinning him in circles in order to avoid the Pound, because "it's going to kill me", then it's time for the nippleshock treatment.
Being ridiculously overgeared and only doing heroics for the money, I've since started playing 'How often can I pull off the tank' game with my warlock. I just pop meta if I pull aggro, generally thats enough to keep my up until I finish killing whatever I pulled. Spin the dragon is fun too.
Maybe they should add a dificulty above heroic that is only available for groups of five queueing together. Since they are using points instead of badges they could give a 10 or 15% bonus that wouldn't cripple people that couldn't get a group together, but enough to make it worth it. I think 15% would be good. It would be like an extra daily random per week.
Heroicer mode.
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Maybe they should add a dificulty above heroic that is only available for groups of five queueing together. Since they are using points instead of badges they could give a 10 or 15% bonus that wouldn't cripple people that couldn't get a group together, but enough to make it worth it. I think 15% would be good. It would be like an extra daily random per week.
Heroicer mode.
There's actually Epic difficulty. Why Blizzard never does anything with it is beyond me. You have to turn it on through the console though.
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TTODewbackPuts the drawl in ya'llI think I'm in HellRegistered Userregular
edited August 2010
Whoo, Reigns of the Blue Drake just dropped for me in Occulus.
I sometimes wind up with a tank that seems determined to spin Anub'arak completely around this way and that during the fight, resulting in a mad scramble to get away from the Pound whenever it happens.
I already got shit in this thread for this once, but I use AotD on Anub'arak so that I can kill people with pound. Also, on every dragon. I do this because I am a misanthrope and because it is the only thing that makes my daily random interesting.
"Step right up for the big show! Round and round and round he goes, where he stops, nobody knows!"
I don't know what the fuck is going on with Anub'arak anymore. Half the time when he decides it's pounding time he'll randomly turn and face a completely different direction, and bam, some poor Rogue just ate the pound and he's the next target for Corpse Explosion. Kinda sad until the "boom".
My favorite was when he'd pop up, start casting pound (while somehow not facing the tank who was leading by somewhere around 1 billion threat), then the actual pound goes off in a random direction that he's not actually facing.
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As a hunter, Volley sucks (I mean, it does good damage, but it pretty much drops me from having a 4-5 ability rotation down to just spamming a single ability over and over again, and I hate having to click the ability, and then select a location to drop it, wait 6 seconds for it to run it's course, and then do it again.)
Meanwhile, Blizzard went and gave me an awesome new ability (Frost Arrow) that was instantly made utterly worthless.
I would like to see more packs where CC was used, but I think we'd wind up with an issue where you would either have too much, or too little CC, depending on the group makeup.
Like if you had 3 warriors for DPS, well you'd be screwed. Wereas if you had a mage, a warlock and a rogue you could utterly trivialize certain encounters.
I'm not really sure what the solution is here.
EDIT: Also, Cataclysm was a terrible time to institute a "one expansion a year policy." I mean, all that old world content on top of making an expansion's worth of content. Craaaaazy.
SLAP IN THE FACE!
Violet hold bosses (and I'm assuming you're referring to the void spawn boss and the ethereal boss) were only challenging if people ignored their core mechanics. Loken was notably more difficult with melee dps, but the premise is similar; if you were doing these fights "the right way," they really weren't that hard.
Stupid people doing fights the wrong way doesn't make the fights hard, it just means the people are stupid. Having stupid people on your team makes anything more challenging.
The certain Violet Hold bosses I'll grant you (oh, so you're supposed to kite him away from his orbs? oooohhh!)
HoL and HoS seemed pretty easy though. Hell, first Loken kill I did with a holy paladin. :P
I may have been comparing to TBC heroics, though. ;-p
Now, I know they're getting rid of 10-man/25-man gear and just making raid gear, but are they keeping the "badges get you gear, tokens upgrade that gear" and what are the chances that they'll allow things like enchants and gems to carry over?
I seem to remember H-AN being a pain in the ass at launch if you didn't bring a shaman for cleansing totem.
Despite these simple rules, a great deal of my runs through there end in several places:
1) General Bjorngrim. The first fucking boss. He paths around and people just dick off until he gets close and aggros during another pull, causing a wipe. Or the tank will insist on rushing him while he's charged and the healer is at half mana. Or people won't move out of the damned whirlwind.
2) The observatory area. More whirlwinds. Sometimes two going on at once. Don't fucking stand there, guys. Then again, if we had pulled these two trash packs over here, we wouldn't need to bunch up like fucking dumbasses. Oh, wait. It's the two wandering dudes you refused to pull and bring down before the fight. They've come to bend us over the railing and pound our bare asses like a horse. Wipe again.
3) Loken. No, we can't just burn him down through the Lightning Nova. Our healer can't keep up with the damage as it is. Yes, I burned Blood Lust. It's not my fault one of our Death Knights is still using the fucking De-Raged War Axe and the rogue is carrying Stalactite Choppers with Berserking on them. Maybe they should have geared up in another instance before coming.
My head hurts. Pass me the Tylenol, please.
It's worth noting that the poison is interruptable, and that the poisoning mobs are stunnable. Not that you can rely on anyone to do either of those, though.
People focus firing the Skirmishers and breaking webwraps were also important in the "we can't actually steamroll this instance yet" days, but nobody really seems to do either of those anymore.
Exactly.
Now I remember the skirmishers though on that first fight.
Fuck those guys.
In that case we should just have instances where the mobs form two lines and high five you as you run through the instance, at the end of which the mayor of mobville hands you your sparkling epics.
So status quo?
Speaking again of Heroic HoL, I'm surprised that the fail groups I talked about before hardly ever have problems with Ionar despite the fact that all of its abilities can be avoided using the same tactics you'd use to get away from every other painful thing in the instance. Though I do sometimes wind up with some random person deciding to run through the rest of the group after getting Static Charge or whatever it is.
Actually that's ALL that makes fights hard. That's the entirety of what makes anything hard in WoW. People not doing shit properly.
The only difference between now and at launch is that better gear means you can fail more and still suceed.
Which is what they're allegedly trying to change.
I already got shit in this thread for this once, but I use AotD on Anub'arak so that I can kill people with pound. Also, on every dragon. I do this because I am a misanthrope and because it is the only thing that makes my daily random interesting.
"Step right up for the big show! Round and round and round he goes, where he stops, nobody knows!"
If they're like a few of the tanks that I've had, though, and they're spinning him in circles in order to avoid the Pound, because "it's going to kill me", then it's time for the nippleshock treatment.
I don't know what the fuck is going on with Anub'arak anymore. Half the time when he decides it's pounding time he'll randomly turn and face a completely different direction, and bam, some poor Rogue just ate the pound and he's the next target for Corpse Explosion. Kinda sad until the "boom".
Being ridiculously overgeared and only doing heroics for the money, I've since started playing 'How often can I pull off the tank' game with my warlock. I just pop meta if I pull aggro, generally thats enough to keep my up until I finish killing whatever I pulled. Spin the dragon is fun too.
I am a freaking nerd.
Heroicer mode.
man heroic faction champs was awesome back in the day
edit: this is me dying inside literally 3 seconds after i got shadowstepped to (had to blink a bladestorm)
We never did get tribute to insanity because our priest kept DCing during Faction Champions for at least one attempt per run.
That fight was just too random sometimes.
I am a freaking nerd.
There's actually Epic difficulty. Why Blizzard never does anything with it is beyond me. You have to turn it on through the console though.
My favorite was when he'd pop up, start casting pound (while somehow not facing the tank who was leading by somewhere around 1 billion threat), then the actual pound goes off in a random direction that he's not actually facing.
I don't see anything out of the ordinary with that guy.
Nothing, not one thing? Nothing at all seems out of place?
His spec is pretty bad and he has no glyphs or professions, but that's about it.
Oh, he also has 10 unspent talent points.
you would be surprised how poorly some people play this game
i've seen well programmed warrior bots kill backpedaling hunters fairly often
and they're always, always night elves 8-)
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